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How you would rank eu states

Anonymous Sun 15 Jan 2023 15:52:10 No.2525379 View View Reply Original Report

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Anonymous Sun 15 Jan 2023 16:15:02 No.2525399 Report

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>>2525379
They all belong to the same rank: Yuropoor

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Anonymous Sun 15 Jan 2023 16:22:07 No.2525403 Report

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>>2525399
Real answers only, i need to know best outdoors locations in eu

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Anonymous Sun 15 Jan 2023 16:41:30 No.2525415 Report

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>>2525403
designated shitting street #4 is my favorite sir

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Anonymous Sun 15 Jan 2023 16:47:36 No.2525418 Report

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>>2525379
I fly fish, so Iceland would be #1. Iceland is beautiful and has a couple dozen established hiking trails/routes, most of which are teeny-tiny compared to what we have in the US, but then so is Iceland. Only a few of those are multi-day hikes. Primitive camping isn't technically allowed, but if you can't get away with that in a country with a population density so low, you have no business going off-trail or straying from established campsites in the first place.

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Anonymous Sun 15 Jan 2023 16:56:32 No.2525420 Report

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>>2525403
Nordics are pretty good. In legal terms Sweden is probably the best since their right to roam laws are the most permissive. As long as you aren't in someones literal backyard or in an enclosed military base you can camp and hike wherever. Switzerland has similar laws but some cantons are slightly more restrictive. Graubünden (Grisons) and Ticino, by far the most picturesque and stereotypically Swiss cantons, located within the alps, have great hiking routes and are also very permissive. As is in their nature, the Swiss are highly bound by their rigid codes and laws, so you should have no issues hiking there. The only downside to Switzerland is that it's more expensive. Austria allows hiking but not camping without asking the owners of the land before. Germany has federal right-to-roam laws, and Bavaria (the state with mountains) has the most permissive of these. My friends have also hiked in Portugal, but their infrastructure is worse, their rural areas are very much dying, and to my knowledge, they have no right-to-roam counterpart. It is a whole lot cheaper, especially in the poorer northern regions. They still enjoyed their time, though.

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Anonymous Sun 15 Jan 2023 17:15:43 No.2525428 Report

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>>2525403
>need to know best outdoors locations in eu
1. Lappland
2. Southern Norwegian Mountains
3. Iceland
4. Murmansk Oblast (Russia, Khibiny Mountains)
5. Scottland
6. Carpates (Romania, Ukraine) and connecting corridor to East Germany: Elbe-Sandstone Mountains through hungary, slowakia, cezch republic
7. Republic of Karelia (Russia)
8. Scandinavian forest regions and lakes (Sweden, Finnland, Norway)
9. Alps (low rank because high population density and tourism)
10. Corsica (amazing mountains, best outside tourist season if you have lots of experience with bad weather in the mountains)
11. Wales (just nice)
12. Pyrenees and Spanish deserts (low rank because lots of laws and corrupt cops)
13. Mediterranean Islands (from La Palma to Crete) and Greece (great hiking and outdoor in the hillcountry but you have to plan carefully to avoid locals)
14. German forests
15. Balkan region
Havent Been:
- Estland, Lithuania, Latvia, Koenigsberg (don't know, never been. Its lots of forest and little law enforcement)
- Eastern Ukraine, Belarus (probably amazing, chernobyl)
- Ireland

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Anonymous Sun 15 Jan 2023 17:33:11 No.2525433 Report

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>>2525428

Great list anon very close to how I'd rank them based on the few I've been too (1,3,5,8,9,11,12,13,14), I'd sling the Alps down a bit based on what it was like when I was there, "high density" doesn't quite cut it.
Kinda disagree with Lapland in position 1 due to the insects, though I've only visited in summer.
Ireland is worth a look in if you get the chance too, Killarney is in particular pretty good.

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Anonymous Sun 15 Jan 2023 18:01:34 No.2525440 Report

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Germany today is far more restrictive than like in 2015. It really went downhill, especially for caravaning and anything even remotely close to touristic areas.
Certain locations in upper Bavaria have 500€ fines for just sleeping in your car.

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Anonymous Sun 15 Jan 2023 18:51:28 No.2525476 Report

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>>2525433
> I'd sling the Alps down a bit based on what it was like when I was there
I live here and some trails should really only be visited by pensioners, tourists, and people who are more interested in sports, or mountaineering with a competitive mindset, but there are still areas where you can just wing it and have a good time.

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Anonymous Sun 15 Jan 2023 19:37:56 No.2525493 Report

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>>2525440
>Germany today is far more restrictive than like in 2015. It really went downhill, especially for caravaning and anything even remotely close to touristic areas.
>Certain locations in upper Bavaria have 500€ fines for just sleeping in your car.
Not an issue for non-whites, FYI.

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Anonymous Sun 15 Jan 2023 19:42:20 No.2525497 Report

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>>2525428
>pyrenees
>lots of laws and corrupt cops
Examples? Me and a few buddies were planning on doing a skimo trip in the Pyrenees next year. Now I wanna know what I'm in for.

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Anonymous Sun 15 Jan 2023 21:15:32 No.2525566 Report

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>>2525440
Caravaning is kinda gay anyways desu. Also the law specifies "tent" so cowboycamping is legal. also tarps are a legal grey zone, so are bivies. We actually have right to roam for hiking, wich is nice, and not many people know. Also, just dont get caught. Wo kein Kläger, da kein Richter.

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Anonymous Sun 15 Jan 2023 22:40:46 No.2525620 Report

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>>2525497
Its maybe not an issue if you go during winter. Wildcamping during the hiking season can lead to problems though.

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Anonymous Sun 15 Jan 2023 23:38:31 No.2525651 Report

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>>2525620
>Wildcamping
There's that word again.

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Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 23:27:37 No.2526139 Report

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>>2525497
You cant legally camp outside campgrounds (with the exception of some high altitude trails). You can use a tarp because its not considered camping tho

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Anonymous Mon 16 Jan 2023 23:36:13 No.2526143 Report

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>>2525651
>80% of people that go "camping" only stay at prepared campgrounds. The destinction is relevant. Dont pretent this isnt the case in the US.

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Anonymous Tue 17 Jan 2023 03:15:56 No.2526246 Report

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>>2525428
Have you had bad experiences with cops in the Pyrenees? I've only found peace and solitude there, roaming free and wild camping. Must be some of the most pristine wilderness in Europe.

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Anonymous Tue 17 Jan 2023 03:17:36 No.2526247 Report

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>>2525428
Have you had bad experiences with cops in the Pyrenees? I've only found peace and solitude there, roaming free and wild camping. Must be some of the most pristine wilderness in Europe.

>>2525497
Anecdotally, I don't know what that guy is talking about.

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Anonymous Tue 17 Jan 2023 06:19:32 No.2526305 Report

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>>2525420
true for switzerland. i want to add that if you come here it can be difficult to find out if you're allowed to sleep /out/, because of the many different local laws/regulations. nonetheless, never had a problem. if you're above the tree line you can basically do as you wish, except you're in a protected encironment. under the tree line you are always allowed to sleep in a bivi and also in a tent if you're just resting for one night.

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Anonymous Tue 17 Jan 2023 10:35:38 No.2526352 Report

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Do people really think the police are going to do midnight trail sweeps to catch people camping? Fucking lol. The laws are there to prevent gypsies setting up for weeks on end, not for some hiking twink putting up their bivy bag for a night. Why are europeens so keen to self cuck themselves?

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Anonymous Tue 17 Jan 2023 11:24:53 No.2526359 Report

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>>2525379
Go to the Carpathians and Transylvania, before gypsies wreck it for good.

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Anonymous Tue 17 Jan 2023 14:18:58 No.2526389 Report

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>>2525497
He's memeing lol, the pyrenees are one of the chillest places in the world

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Anonymous Tue 17 Jan 2023 19:49:54 No.2526521 Report

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>>2526352
They catched me twice tarping but just asked a few questions and left. I guess if you don't plan to stay for a week, trash the area, annoy wildlife or make a fire where you shouldn't they decide to not use the laws because no harm is done.

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Anonymous Tue 17 Jan 2023 19:52:05 No.2526523 Report

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>>2526521
would be interesting to know what country this was in.

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Anonymous Tue 17 Jan 2023 21:08:56 No.2526572 Report

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>>2525428
How are the Balkans lower than the German tree farms?

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Anonymous Tue 17 Jan 2023 22:06:58 No.2526597 Report

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>>2525428
wat makes wales better than england i thought its like just the same ?

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Anonymous Tue 17 Jan 2023 23:52:14 No.2526655 Report

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>>2526597
Wales has better mountains. Very serene and lonely if you wing it, and scramble off the path.

>>2526572
Balkans suck. People actually shot at you. Unlike in Ukraine where you can just walk up and into Chernobyl.
German tree farms are noice.

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Anonymous Wed 18 Jan 2023 02:37:11 No.2526719 Report

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>>2525428
>Haven't been
>Eastern Ukraine

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Anonymous Wed 18 Jan 2023 09:57:20 No.2526811 Report

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I'm living in France right now and this country seems very diverse in terms of landscapes, mountains and even sub climates. I quite like the Italian part of Alps, IMHO it is the most beautiful place on Earth, Northern Italy. France has fairly low density spots in the middle, so I'm banking on buying a cheap home out in the bush in a few years.

Personally I find Nordics very boring. They're great to visit, but living there must get awful because you are pretty much stuck with the same biome and it isn't cheap to travel around. You get hardly any sunlight for most of the year. Would like to make one trip there, but I don't see myself doing it more than twice.

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Anonymous Wed 18 Jan 2023 10:01:22 No.2526813 Report

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>>2526811
Also as far as legality goes, you can pretty much get away by camping anywhere. The real problem is fire, but just use a camping stove for cooking. If you're really rural, I doubt anyone is going to catch you making a random bonfire next to a river in middle of nowhere. There's probably bit of a divide between Germanic and non-Germanic parts as krauts seem to be more uptight and pedantic about rules, whereas Italians will probably just invite you for dinner if they catch you camping in the wrong spot, depending on your behaviour obviously. I wouldn't discount Bavarians or Swabians being good sort, but I definitely wouldn't count on anything in Switzerland, holy fuck they're hardly people there in terms of rigidity.

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Anonymous Wed 18 Jan 2023 22:00:06 No.2527054 Report

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>>2525379
Pfft. Imagine not hiking Bosnia and dodging landmines.
Soft bitches. Ngmi

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Anonymous Thu 19 Jan 2023 12:24:01 No.2527405 Report

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I'll be backpacking through EU in late may and hope I don't get fined too many times for starting a fire where I wasn't supposed to lol.

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Anonymous Thu 19 Jan 2023 12:34:32 No.2527414 Report

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>>2527405
Those fines can be up to 10,000 or 20,000 Euro so you better be extra careful.

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Anonymous Thu 19 Jan 2023 12:42:23 No.2527421 Report

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>>2527405
Starting a fire will get you fined. You can camp in illegal spots and police may let you alone if they even find you, they dont care that much if you behave like a human being desu, but starting fires is a big deal in most europoor countries. They'll go looking for you if they see smoke and then they will get you fined. I had to pay 150€ last winter because I started a fire at night (in winter you can make fires because is weeds burning season, but aparently not at night)
t.spaniard

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Anonymous Thu 19 Jan 2023 13:12:08 No.2527424 Report

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>>2527421
i have made fires countless times and never had any problems just follow a few simple rules.
>only make fire in the darkness so that the smoke is not visible
>no line of sight between your flame and any nearby settlements, roads or trailes, best to make your fire in a small defilade
>use the fire to prepare your food and warm yourself but dont go overbord, the longer you let it burn the greater the likelyhood of beeing spotted
Also helps if your campsite is tidy and you yourself look presentable, incase anyone comes knocking
If i go fishing with my old man all these rules get thrown out the window, since you can get away with so much shit, when you are old.
t. germanoid

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Anonymous Thu 19 Jan 2023 15:24:08 No.2527472 Report

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>>2525399
Norway could buy your entire continent

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Anonymous Thu 19 Jan 2023 15:25:20 No.2527473 Report

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>>2525428
>Scandinavian forest regions and lakes
>Finnland
Finland isn't part of scandinavia. Also number one spot should just be Norway in general

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Anonymous Thu 19 Jan 2023 15:26:48 No.2527474 Report

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>>2525651
Reminds me of pic related.

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Anonymous Thu 19 Jan 2023 15:29:45 No.2527477 Report

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>>2527405
It's illegal in most countries, specifically between April and October, but it really depends where and what you are doing. If you're out far away from roads in Alps or in some forest not known for tourism, you can probably get away with small fires. But like the other Anon said, the fines are very, very high and you're guaranteed to get them in countries that have wildfire problems like Spain. Just get a camping stove unless you're feeling particularly retarded and want to get 20k€ bill just because.

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Anonymous Thu 19 Jan 2023 15:31:42 No.2527479 Report

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>>2527473
Why? It's just mountains. France for example has mountains, coastal flood plains, and different climate zones and a good chunk of land with very low population density. Italy is a completely different country from top to bottom. Norway is just mountains.

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Anonymous Thu 19 Jan 2023 15:39:38 No.2527480 Report

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>>2527479
>Norway is just mountains
You know nothing lol

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Anonymous Thu 19 Jan 2023 15:41:53 No.2527481 Report

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>>2527480
It is clearly just mountains. And snow. Which you can find in Alps and other mountain ranges. How the fuck is it the best country in Europe for /out/ when it's just that shit repeated? I'd rather have more diverse options. Plus everything costs a lot in Norway, so even if you visit you are paying 5x what you'd be paying for any other trip. Are you an American or what?

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Anonymous Thu 19 Jan 2023 15:54:56 No.2527485 Report

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>>2527481
Only thing you're correct about in the entire shit you wrote is that it's expensive. I look outside my window and see /out/ landscape you couldn't imagine in your wildest dream

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Anonymous Thu 19 Jan 2023 16:07:23 No.2527487 Report

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>>2527485
Sure but you can just buy food in sweden and sleep in a tent.
Middle class Norwegians get their groceries in Sweden too. Its just the poor people that have to pay Norwegian prices, lol.

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Anonymous Thu 19 Jan 2023 19:24:34 No.2527570 Report

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>>2527487
no one in sweden is gonna just let u buy their food and sleep on their sacred solstice land, retard

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Anonymous Thu 19 Jan 2023 19:28:41 No.2527574 Report

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>>2527570
im sure everyone in scandinavinia is just lining up with stores and sheles stocked with foods that they are waiting 4 u to buy, are u stupid or somethign?? the north is closed to peasants like u

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Anonymous Thu 19 Jan 2023 19:29:42 No.2527577 Report

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>>2527481
stay in ur alps ill stay in mine, bitch. soft cracka u aint bout it nigga

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Anonymous Thu 19 Jan 2023 19:31:13 No.2527579 Report

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>>2527485
>>2527577
>highest point only 2,5km

I get to hikes from where I stay in the summer at 750m that are nearly the same height or taller.

It's over for Scandibros...

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Anonymous Thu 19 Jan 2023 19:39:00 No.2527590 Report

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>>2527579
bassed godlike from the purest peaks

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Anonymous Thu 19 Jan 2023 19:48:51 No.2527593 Report

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>>2527590
The entire area is covered with stone huts. Thousands of people used to live there just one hundred years ago, now there's maybe around 30 permanent residents. In summer it gets full of hikers. There's lots of cattle trails that are not marked leading up to alpes, but they can be dangerous. Plenty of steep drops. Sentiero Bove is a very cool trail to follow, but it needs a bit of mountain experience and surefootedness. Locals are very cool, they'll give you coffee and something to eat if you look like you're in trouble. I met a guy living out in an abandoned village by himself, for him it takes two hours to go through a sketchy, unmaintained trail with rotten planks hanging off sheer cliff faces to get to the nearest road. From there another two hours to go down to the nearest town with something resembling a public transport schedule.

Pic related is pretty accurate. I ended up meeting with them in loads of rain, so they loaned me a rain jacket. I left it in the village that I posted before at the bar. I doubt many people would be as hospitable in Norway t b h, but I might be wrong.

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Anonymous Thu 19 Jan 2023 19:52:46 No.2527597 Report

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>>2527593
Better pic of the church from a DSLR.

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Anonymous Thu 19 Jan 2023 19:54:51 No.2527598 Report

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>>2527597
I love Alps so much.

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Anonymous Thu 19 Jan 2023 20:05:53 No.2527606 Report

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>>2527593
>>2527597
>>2527598
divine
jesus-like

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Anonymous Thu 19 Jan 2023 20:23:56 No.2527619 Report

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>>2527579
What does height have to do with it? Doesn't change the fact that Norway has way more beautiful nature.

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Anonymous Thu 19 Jan 2023 20:24:32 No.2527620 Report

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>>2527619
i'm 193 cm that's what it has to do with it, suckl my nuts hoe

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Anonymous Thu 19 Jan 2023 20:26:39 No.2527622 Report

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>>2527481
you know not all mountains are the same and snow is usually gone between may and november...
pic related is clearly just mountains i guess?
its the mix of it all thats great here and the fact some of our mountain regions are flattened out by ice age and make them much more hikeable than other mountains.

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Anonymous Thu 19 Jan 2023 20:28:07 No.2527625 Report

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>>2527622
there are old fold and new fold mountains,
niggas don't be knowin this doe

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Anonymous Thu 19 Jan 2023 20:42:14 No.2527637 Report

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>>2527625
let the mountain nigger spend his life climbing steep mountains bragging about how high they are, i rather go camping and fishing in this soulfull terrain

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Anonymous Thu 19 Jan 2023 20:43:36 No.2527639 Report

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>>2527619
You said I ain't about that life, but I'm saying it's probably harsher up the really high Alpine peaks than anywhere in Scandinavia. But aesthetics matter, and IMHO Alps are the most beautiful mountains in the world. They vary a lot too with different climates and microclimates all over the place. Best ones are in Northern Italy I'd say, especially when you pair it with the fact it has the best climate in immediate vicinity to Alps (warm summer sub-tropics).
>>2527622
True, but my point is that the countries bordering Alps all have Alps AND bunch of other /out/ places, so there's a lot more diversity. This is why I wouldn't rank Switzerland as best /out/ even if Alps are amazing. In Italy or France you have the Alps a bunch of other places to go /out/ in. Can you really rank a country with just mountains as the best /out/? Maybe if you like mountains only, but even then most people would prefer Alps to any other mountain range in Europe.

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Anonymous Thu 19 Jan 2023 21:24:00 No.2527657 Report

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>>2527639
>Can you really rank a country with just mountains as the best /out/?
no and thats why norway is great because it isnt just mountains. not best, that was another dude saying that.
in terms of rights and easy access to pretty desolate areas nordics are best by far. too bad out nature might not be what you want.

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Anonymous Thu 19 Jan 2023 21:40:51 No.2527662 Report

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>>2527622
That pic reminds me of trøndelag
>aesthetics matter, and IMHO Alps are the most beautiful mountains in the world
Depending on where in Norway you are, the mountains look very different. Beats most things majority of people have seen, I guarantee you, crazy variations.
>country with just mountains
Norway is kind of known as the country of fjords. The variation is crazy, from dense forests to wide open plateaus like Hardangervidda

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Anonymous Thu 19 Jan 2023 21:41:53 No.2527665 Report

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>>2527662
FUCK I forgot the reply thing
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