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Anonymous Sat 25 Feb 2023 21:29:21 No.2544975 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>2544979 >>2545012 >>2545018 >>2545149 >>2545525 >>2547407 >>2547479

What are your thoughts on army ranger type bed rolls? I spent a lot of money on an UL tent and I hate it. These bed roll systems used by army rangers are light weight and easy to get in and out. It's basically just a plastic sheet. Tested in snow. Looks as comfortable as my UL tent definitely easier to get in and out of but I've never seen these discussed here or within UL forums.

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Anonymous Sat 25 Feb 2023 21:35:28 No.2544979 Report

Quoted By: >>2545012

>>2544975
Army rangers use the same sleep gear as the general Army... They usually get the new stuff first though.
That aside the Army issue Bivy is tits but the standard issue sleeping bag is heavier than something civilians use. I've never seen someone set a tarp on the ground when there are trees around to hang the tarp from.

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Anonymous Sat 25 Feb 2023 21:42:49 No.2544986 Report

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You're going to want to string one of these things up at minimum so you have somewhere dry to put your shit and cook and live. If there is any rain you'll just suffer sleeping like that. Some recon might sleep like that at times and just put an umbrella over their head and bag, but they'll also slurp down a cold feed and keep their boots on rotating in and out of an observation point and sentry point and doing all that just to keep signs of their presence to the absolute minimum.. they're working not necessarily having a good time or sleeping a hell of a lot.

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Anonymous Sat 25 Feb 2023 22:38:04 No.2545012 Report

Quoted By: >>2545049

>>2544975
The RangerRoll(tm) is a GI poncho, casualty blanket/reflective tarp and the poncho liner layered up like a sad underpaid sandwich. It's not meant to be comfortable; it's just meant to keep you from freezing to death. If you're short enough and you don't mind the quasi-fetal position you can get pretty good coverage; otherwise either your head or your feet will be exposed. On the upside, the setup doesn't weigh much (unless you're weak) and you can add blanket layers if it's balls-ass cold. The MSS is significantly more comfortable, but as >>2544979 said, it's heavier than most people are used to.

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Anonymous Sat 25 Feb 2023 23:00:54 No.2545018 Report

Quoted By: >>2545025 >>2545033 >>2545082 >>2547406

>>2544975
I never spent more than 48 hours outdoors but I cannot possibly imagine a valid reason to prefer the misery of sleeping in a tarp+bivvy combo over hauling a cheap chink 3lb tent. And that's accepting the premise that a significant weight difference exists to begin with.

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Anonymous Sat 25 Feb 2023 23:10:29 No.2545025 Report

Quoted By: >>2545036

>>2545018
The reason is, that it's not miserable at all. Its quite nice cosy setup. You can whack it up and down in 2 minutes. You can tie your water bottles to the edge and collect the rain. You've got plenty of room under there, enough for 2 people really. You know whats happening in your surroundings. I don't know why people imagine that it's more miserable than being zipped up in a little stuffy tent

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Anonymous Sat 25 Feb 2023 23:22:45 No.2545033 Report

Quoted By: >>2545043 >>2545078

>>2545018
>a cheap chink 3lb tent
My tent is 3lb and it's ultralight. Chink tents start at 6lb.

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Anonymous Sat 25 Feb 2023 23:26:44 No.2545036 Report

Quoted By: >>2545048

>>2545025
I can see how it can be cozy in decent conditions, but if the outside goes to complete shit (rain, wind, bugs) I'd just be waiting it out like a mummy in my cuck bivvy sarcophagus with a stuffy mozzy net over my face. I'd be concerned to not have an alternative to that, but again I never did bivvy camping so for all I know there might be ways to deal with that just as well as a tent.

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Anonymous Sat 25 Feb 2023 23:34:29 No.2545043 Report

Quoted By: >>2545045

>>2545033
My cheap chink tent is 3.5lb, I'm not too into what goes for ultralight standards but my impression for tents was ~2lb (single wall trekking pole)

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Anonymous Sat 25 Feb 2023 23:35:23 No.2545045 Report

Quoted By: >>2545050

>>2545043
What tent is it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Feb 2023 23:39:22 No.2545048 Report

Quoted By: >>2545072

>>2545036
I've slept under one in plenty of rough conditions, and honestly the worst is using them out in the open when it's windy. If a peg come out and the thing is flapping all over your face and you have to get up and fix it. That sucks balls. And you might have to make it very low to stop it from catching the wind or keep sideways rain out. But not really any need to hide your face inside the bivvy. But if you aren't dictated by someone else where you have to sleep, just go down to treeline and put it up there. It won't fuck around if it's tied to trees and you'll be more sheltered there in general. Wouldn't recommend them for too far up a mountain..

You can pair them with a bugnet if those are a big problem I guess it depends where you live

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Anonymous Sat 25 Feb 2023 23:39:48 No.2545049 Report

Quoted By: >>2545054 >>2545068 >>2547605

>>2545012
>The ranger roll is [this nonsense]
no, it isn't.
The Bivy, sleeping bag and woobie are good to like -20. I've checked.
In the field you get a woobie and a poncho. I slept through freezing rain with just that and survived no problem...Rangers also don't sleep on mission 99% of the time.
t. ragnar

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Anonymous Sat 25 Feb 2023 23:41:53 No.2545050 Report

Quoted By: >>2545053

>>2545045
naturehike cloudup 2

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Anonymous Sat 25 Feb 2023 23:44:36 No.2545053 Report

Quoted By: >>2547595

>>2545050
This is the same fucking weight as mine with 6 times the room what the fuck I'm an idiot

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Anonymous Sat 25 Feb 2023 23:46:21 No.2545054 Report

Quoted By: >>2547604

>>2545049
Is that fahrenheit? Fucken brr. Be honest mr ragnar, did you cuddle a bottle of hot water

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Anonymous Sun 26 Feb 2023 00:21:54 No.2545068 Report

Quoted By: >>2547602

>>2545049
>Anything that differs from my personal experience is nonsense
>Every unit issues gear the same way and don't make retarded changes because they think they know best
>The MSS pieces don't have labels which specifically lay out temperature ranges based on configuration
Are there multiple boomers posting "hurr durr this is nonsense" in every thread, or is it just you?

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Anonymous Sun 26 Feb 2023 00:33:19 No.2545072 Report

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>>2545048
>just go down to treeline and put it up there. It won't fuck around if it's tied to trees and you'll be more sheltered there in general

But look up and make sure there's not a big dead branch going to fall off in the wind and brain you in the middle of the night, goes for tents and tarps alike

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Anonymous Sun 26 Feb 2023 00:45:22 No.2545078 Report

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>>2545033
>blocks your path

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Anonymous Sun 26 Feb 2023 00:48:58 No.2545082 Report

Quoted By: >>2545087

>>2545018
OP isn't even talking about a tarp/bivy combo. The ranger roll isn't that advanced.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Feb 2023 00:57:29 No.2545087 Report

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>>2545082
But second post in a tarp and bivvy combo was brought up. There's no reason to sleep like that in the rain if you don't need to for a tactical reason or because you just carried very minimum emergency gear and didn't plan to spend the night. But it's a beautiful night with no chance of rain? Keep your tarp packed away have the open sky above you. If you just had a sleeping bag and tent, that's less of an option because your bag might get wet from dew and shit anyway without being inside the bivvy

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Anonymous Sun 26 Feb 2023 02:04:27 No.2545115 Report

Quoted By: >>2545131

If you’re under a tarp, why do you need a bivy bag? Wouldn’t a big bivy make more sense? Is it for dew protection?

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Anonymous Sun 26 Feb 2023 02:23:50 No.2545131 Report

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>>2545115
A bivvy doesnt give you the living space to cook in and dry your clothes and clean your gear and whatever else you might want to do under cover when it rains for a while. A tarp give you enough room you could light a small fire under there if you like. And yes sometimes, you won't need the bivvy bag, but that sleeping bag is your bed. You don't want even dew or frost or any shit getting it wet. Or other times you could do away with the tarp instead if that is more important. Even someone went for an unintentional swim in the river you can even dry his bag under a few tarps even if it is raining a storm, kek

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Anonymous Sun 26 Feb 2023 02:59:53 No.2545149 Report

Quoted By: >>2545154

>>2544975
They get the job done, but I think the reason you never see them discussed is because the conversation inevitably shifts to UL tents and bivy setups. See: this thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Feb 2023 03:04:04 No.2545154 Report

Quoted By: >>2545157

>>2545149
So does a homeless man sleeping in an ice storm in a rubbish bag. Sometimes

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Feb 2023 03:11:57 No.2545157 Report

Quoted By: >>2545160 >>2547605

>>2545154
>rubbish
>britbong detected
Keep in mind that a homeless man probably doesn't have a woobie, casualty blanket or various pieces of the ECWCS.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Feb 2023 03:18:12 No.2545160 Report

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>>2545157
Anyone can rough it (maybe not), but takes skills to be at least slightly comfortable for a while. And I'm about 12 thousand miles from Britain

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Feb 2023 20:44:47 No.2545525 Report

Quoted By: >>2545560

>>2544975
It seems like something you do if your in the military and that's the equipment your allowed to use. If your not that unique use case you either own up to the fact you just want to feel what it's like (larp) or you go with a myriad of options available to you for a compact sleep setup that likely works better than the ranger roll does.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Feb 2023 21:41:27 No.2545560 Report

Quoted By: >>2549042

>>2545525
>go with a myriad of options
>but not that one, I don't like that one so if you use it you're larping

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Anonymous Thu 02 Mar 2023 08:32:27 No.2547406 Report

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>>2545018
these days single wall tents actually weigh less than bivy/tarp setups.
bivy/tarp is more about being able to control air flow and condensation imo. and versatility with campsite selection.
exposure to bugs and all the solutions to it being band-aid are the main thing that sucks about them. i use a tent in bug season.
you only see people pitching a-frames in their social media photos but you can pitch a adequately sized tarp into a storm pyramid too or anything between.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Mar 2023 08:33:36 No.2547407 Report

Quoted By: >>2547465 >>2547518

>>2544975
i can't imagine using one of these as a shelter under any circumstance (washington state anon)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Mar 2023 12:59:07 No.2547465 Report

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>>2547407
They’re not designed for comfort or anything other than sleeping. They’re also condensation nightmares.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Mar 2023 14:31:36 No.2547479 Report

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>>2544975
tried it. it might get you to 32F if you are a midget that can fit in it. i use the military poncho though and its one of my favorite pieces of gear. I also have the goretex bivy and its great id go for that if you want cheap tough adequate gear.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Mar 2023 16:44:54 No.2547518 Report

Quoted By: >>2547524

>>2547407
Bro I tried one in the fucking desert on a trip to Big Bend. It was more spiders in there than a motherfucker they made webs all over me had laid eggs on the bivy all kinds of wild shit.

Bro and no it was not comfortable or cozy or whatever. It was cold and I’m basically just laying out on the ground in the middle of a bunch of cactus and fuckin everyone could see me. I couldn’t even change my pants out without people seeing.

Bro just take a tent. You can sit up and drink coffee buck naked nobody can see. You laying out in a fuckin bag it’s gonna be buzzards circling people gonna spy out on you all that shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Mar 2023 17:01:58 No.2547524 Report

Quoted By: >>2547610

>>2547518
well duh lol, bring a tent if you camp in a group. use the right tool for the job.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Mar 2023 19:38:39 No.2547595 Report

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>>2545053
>ultralight in a nutshell

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Mar 2023 19:54:16 No.2547602 Report

Quoted By: >>2547638

>>2545068
You have the reading comprehension of an 8th grader and it's clear you think anyone over 30 is a boomer.
That tells me two things:
one: you're a child
and
two: you have a very low IQ

also
"hurrdedurr"
lol
you're embarrassing yourself

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Mar 2023 19:57:30 No.2547604 Report

Quoted By: >>2547605

>>2545054
The woobie/bivy/sleeping bag was all I needed. I used it in Tennessee, Georgia, high elevation Afghanistan and Washington (in the winter) without any issues...quite comfy really.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Mar 2023 20:02:18 No.2547605 Report

Quoted By: >>2547611

>>2545049
>>2545157
>>2547604
What’s a woobie? Is it an insulated poncho liner?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Mar 2023 20:24:21 No.2547610 Report

Quoted By: >>2547978

>>2547524
Bro I was solo it was people on the trail could see me.

You camp way out in nowhere maybe no one see you but most places it’s at least some foot traffic or could be. You out there stark raving naked some family with kids comes up your ass is going to jail. Now you gotta explain to your neighbors for the rest of your life like you a diddler.

Just to save some weight? Nah no thanks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Mar 2023 20:26:36 No.2547611 Report

Quoted By: >>2548986 >>2549343

>>2547605
Yes

An actual woobie is a poncho liner issued by the military. They suck ass and are not at all warm.

Lots of people make copies of them that are actually good. I use a Kifaru woobie with Apex insulation and a DWR coated shell. 1000 times better than the one I was issued.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Mar 2023 22:02:42 No.2547638 Report

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>>2547602
Shouldn't you be complaining to a fast food worker somewhere about your fixed income, old timer?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Mar 2023 16:32:13 No.2547978 Report

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>>2547610
I have never seen another human being where i go hiking. I literally walk around my camp site naked. I have masturbated while showering in a waterfall. go further off trail mate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 05 Mar 2023 21:37:18 No.2548986 Report

Quoted By: >>2548994

>>2547611
>They suck ass and are not at all warm.

Take that back right now. It's not comparable to the sleeping bag but my woobie was more than enough to get me nice and comfy when out in the field and when I was in eastern europe for a rotation. It's the only piece of gear I will willingly take the financial hit from CIF because I'm not turning it in.

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Anonymous Sun 05 Mar 2023 21:51:34 No.2548994 Report

Quoted By: >>2551736

>>2548986
Somewhere there's a CIF bean counter sitting behind a desk and scratching his head over all the woobies that go missing every quarter

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 05 Mar 2023 23:20:06 No.2549042 Report

Quoted By: >>2549369

>>2545560
Should have said Myriad of BETTER options than a poncho and a thin insulated blanket.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Mar 2023 21:41:10 No.2549343 Report

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>>2547611
>Woobies suck
so, you've never used one
makes sense

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Mar 2023 22:23:18 No.2549369 Report

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>>2549042
This. I only stay in hotels whenever I go /out/ because I refuse to have anything less than the best sleep system possible. It rained buckets when I stayed at Many Glacier, but I stayed bone dry.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Mar 2023 01:21:17 No.2549450 Report

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Up in Canada we called woobies Ranger blankets. I never should have turned mine in when I got out.

Anyway, I used my bivvy bag a fair amount of times out in the field and I didn't really mind it all that much. It was better than nothing when it was raining out. Wouldn't hurt to have as a backup I suppose, but for me an Ionosphere or something similar might be a bit better.

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Anonymous Sat 11 Mar 2023 11:31:12 No.2551721 Report

Quoted By: >>2551727

posting here as i don't like making new thread for every purchase made - ordered a norwegian piece of gear called the Jerven Fjellduk/Jervenduken (Original) a version of it has been used by norwegian military for a long time though recently the patent expired and naturally they switched to a cheaper albeit more modern knockoff.
it's basically a tarp with a reflective side, grommets, opening for head and arms and a zipper to make it an emergency bivy/shelter.
it measures 143x143cm and weighs about 750 grams or 1.65 lbs not including cordage
my current tent is a naturehike cloudup 2.

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Anonymous Sat 11 Mar 2023 11:38:22 No.2551727 Report

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>>2551721
correction the opening for the head is just the main zipper opening - only arms have their own holes.
i also ordered "armings" ( waterproof windproof arms) to wear over my jacked while wearing the fjellduk, plus a set of "endestykker" (end pieces) that combined with fjellduken will make a tent.
presumably the same fabric and weight. can't find the specs but it does not come with poles, instead hiking poles are used.
very excited as jerven is somewhat expensive and i've always wanted a set for my own and will use it hunting and fishing year round.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Mar 2023 11:55:01 No.2551736 Report

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>>2548994
Dude
CIF charges people for lost or damaged gear than reports it as a loss and launders the difference. Woobies on the commercial market 20 years ago were like 200 usd, the only reason they're so cheap now is because so many supply Pogues got in on the scam they killed the market.

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