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Anonymous Fri 14 Apr 2023 15:29:00 No.2567610 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>2567622 >>2567627 >>2567808 >>2567832 >>2567839 >>2567960 >>2567986 >>2568647 >>2572768 >>2577162 >>2577883

Redpill me on alcohol stoves, please.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Apr 2023 16:06:17 No.2567622 Report

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>>2567610
Good for a back-up plan.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Apr 2023 16:11:15 No.2567627 Report

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>>2567610
They’re very light, especially on shorter trips when you can only bring the fuel you need. It’s nice to have something you made, if you go the DIY route. And really there’s no reason to not try out a Fancy Feast stove, considering the price ($1 plus a hole punch and whatever trash you have for a wind screen). An often overlooked aspect is how quiet they are; nothing breaks the ambiance of a serene evening in the woods like an iso-butane stove that sounds like a jet engine. The fuel is more common than canisters, not that it really matters.

They say they’re susceptible to wind, but I’m not sure how windy it has to be. I mean I’ve used one in some pretty windy spots, and a wind screen does what it’s supposed to do. Some claim they don’t work at high elevation or in low temps, but again, I’ve used mine at 10,400ft and 20°F (different times) and didn’t notice much difference. The latter took longer to boil, obviously. Shug has a hammock video where he uses one to make coffee on a mega cold trip in Minnesota. I think it was -30°F. He had to prime his, which isn’t means he needed a tiny amount of extra fuel. Some retards on /out/ claim it leaves a residue or soot on your pot, but that’s just flat out wrong.

Boil time is obviously slower than a canister, but it’s a fake metric. Before pack weight was a common concern, Backpacker magazine (and later on websites) needed a way to differentiate gear that served the exact same function. Even after everyone started weighing everything, the weight difference from one canister stove to another is negligible.

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Anonymous Fri 14 Apr 2023 16:50:51 No.2567649 Report

Quoted By: >>2567651 >>2567661 >>2567662 >>2567828 >>2569514 >>2577435

How do you put them out in an emergency?

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Anonymous Fri 14 Apr 2023 16:51:49 No.2567651 Report

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>>2567649
This is a good question.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Apr 2023 17:01:39 No.2567661 Report

Quoted By: >>2569361

>>2567649
Smother it with dirt. Dont use water.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Apr 2023 17:02:26 No.2567662 Report

Quoted By: >>2567663 >>2567680 >>2569514

>>2567649
You basically just snuff them out with a meta cover. You can store the stove with said cover, and just leave it aside to use the stove. Then just put the covering on top and the fire will be deprived of oxygen, snuffing it out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Apr 2023 17:03:27 No.2567663 Report

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>>2567662
metal*

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Apr 2023 17:30:27 No.2567680 Report

Quoted By: >>2569514 >>2572304

>>2567662
>he fire will be deprived of oxygen, snuffing it out.
This guy knows about the fire triangle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Apr 2023 19:30:04 No.2567736 Report

Quoted By: >>2567742 >>2567773 >>2567842 >>2567912 >>2568555

Don´t you have to let them burn out all the fuel, unless you want to have it leak everywhere in your backpack, after snuffing it out?
I wouldn´t trust the cover lid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Apr 2023 19:43:29 No.2567742 Report

Quoted By: >>2567769

>>2567736
You store the alcohol in a separate container

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Apr 2023 21:01:47 No.2567769 Report

Quoted By: >>2567797

>>2567742
Good luck getting it back into the small opening of your alcohol container.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Apr 2023 21:11:25 No.2567773 Report

Quoted By: >>2567842

>>2567736
The Trangia is fine. It’s got a very tight fitting screw-on lid with a tight fitting rubber o-ring. You can leave fuel in it with no issues.

With other style, git gud and figure out how much fuel you’re supposed to use and just let the excess burn off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Apr 2023 21:37:24 No.2567780 Report

Quoted By: >>2567807 >>2568276 >>2570496

Which works better:

Everclear, or denatured alcohol?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Apr 2023 22:09:24 No.2567797 Report

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>>2567769
I'm a pro at putting things in small spaces just ask your sister

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Anonymous Fri 14 Apr 2023 22:36:19 No.2567807 Report

Quoted By: >>2567810 >>2569693

>>2567780
Well one of them costs a fraction of the other, doesn’t leave crap all over your pot, and is labeled as “clean burning fuel for alcohol stoves.” So probably that one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Apr 2023 22:37:25 No.2567808 Report

Quoted By: >>2567826 >>2569070 >>2572705

>>2567610
They make the cooking experience so much more cozy. They are totally silent. Gas stoves are so annoying. They sound like little jet engines and they scare away all of the animals. The problem is carrying the alcohol. I've yet to find a lightweight container that doesn't leak

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Apr 2023 22:43:36 No.2567810 Report

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>>2567807
Yeah denatured alcohol is the best. Methanol burns cleaner and better in the cold but its very toxic

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Apr 2023 23:25:17 No.2567826 Report

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>>2567808
There are a lot of options in Amazon. Nalgene makes 2, 4, and 8 ounce bottles. I’ve been using one for a while. I’ve also heard that contact lens cleaner bottles work well but they’re a little big.

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Anonymous Fri 14 Apr 2023 23:30:47 No.2567828 Report

Quoted By: >>2568380 >>2572204

>>2567649
trangia comes with a lid you use to manage the flame and to put it out
you do know trangia right, the finnish brand that started the whole alcohol stove thing and is the backbone of finnish army

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Apr 2023 23:50:37 No.2567832 Report

Quoted By: >>2567834 >>2567989 >>2570152

>>2567610
pros:
>silent
>reliable/ no moving parts
>fuel can also be used to light a fire
>no affected too much by colder temps
cons:
>heavier

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Apr 2023 00:04:32 No.2567834 Report

Quoted By: >>2567836 >>2567989 >>2567996 >>2568557 >>2568577 >>2577162

>>2567832
cons
>takes fucking forever to boil water

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Apr 2023 00:06:19 No.2567836 Report

Quoted By: >>2567905

>>2567834
are you in a hurry? slow down a little Bud, takes 12 minutes og peace and quiet instead of 6 minutes of jet engine noises? Yowhzerzz

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Apr 2023 00:13:27 No.2567839 Report

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>>2567610
They're pretty good, I have one setup which combos with a wood stove and gets a supahot fire going.
Have to be careful with the risk of spilling and you can go through fuel pretty quickly

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Apr 2023 00:23:20 No.2567842 Report

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>>2567773
>>2567736
to add to this. the seal on mine is so good i actually was able to use the alcohol inside after literally years of storage in a hot shed. for me one full stove boils about 2 liters of water. i also like that alcohol as a fuel is a multi use item and is available in far more places than propane, important for cycle touring.

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Anonymous Sat 15 Apr 2023 03:35:10 No.2567905 Report

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>>2567836
Cope I like to close my eyes and pretend I'm a fighter pilot

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Anonymous Sat 15 Apr 2023 03:50:40 No.2567912 Report

Quoted By: >>2568019 >>2568057

>>2567736
Not sure with others, but with my Trangia I just snuff the flame with the damper, then when it's cool screw the lid on.
The lid has a pretty good O ring seal, and I've not had mine leak.( yet.)

I also carry it in a Swedish mess kit where it rides upright and is packed in a bit of foil, so that may help reduce leakage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Apr 2023 07:56:00 No.2567960 Report

Quoted By: >>2568035 >>2568061 >>2568578 >>2568652 >>2569413

>>2567610
gay af
stop using this shit and just light a fire with wood to warm you at night and cook no need to carry extra weight, get a lighter and that's it

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Anonymous Sat 15 Apr 2023 10:59:04 No.2567986 Report

Quoted By: >>2575299

>>2567610
slow asf

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Apr 2023 11:53:00 No.2567989 Report

Quoted By: >>2567996

>>2567832
>heavier
My entire stove kit (fuel for two days, pot with a lid, bandana, spoon, lighter, stove, and winscreen) is around 7oz. A fancy feast stove is roughly 0.75oz, one use of fuel is about the same, and a small fuel co gainer is roughly 1oz. The smaller isobutane canisters are roughly 90g/3.5oz when empty. A full one is over 7oz.

Alcohol is possibly heavier at the start of longer trips. And of course our lives Trangias for some reason, which are the heaviest option.

>>2567834

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Anonymous Sat 15 Apr 2023 11:59:47 No.2567996 Report

Quoted By: >>2568021

>>2567989
Wanted to mention >>2567834 and boil time. It’s true that it takes longer, but it’s such a weird thing to talk about. Sometimes it takes me a little while to cook dinner at home. When I’m heating a pan in my kitchen, I don’t just stand by the stove staring at it blankly. I busy myself with other tasks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Apr 2023 13:21:00 No.2568019 Report

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>>2567912
see you got one of the never ones! great kit!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Apr 2023 13:24:55 No.2568021 Report

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>>2567996
i think it mostly just comes down to what you are used to, ive cooked on Trangias my entire life basically, never had a failure, ive had 2 jetboils that crapped out, yea they are slower, but im not a distance hiker or ultralighter
so i prefer a system i can basically operate in my sleep with no worries of it failing

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Apr 2023 14:31:18 No.2568035 Report

Quoted By: >>2568650

>>2567960
You don't go /out/

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Apr 2023 15:36:56 No.2568057 Report

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>>2567912
Aren´t those Swedish mess kits sold for like 70 bucks at this point?
And in this good of a condition...
Lucky bastard.
I´m not sure what to think about burning water in aluminium containers though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Apr 2023 15:46:44 No.2568061 Report

Quoted By: >>2568650 >>2569210

>>2567960
You’ve never camped more than a few days, and only in fair weather. You’re fat. You’ve never backpacked more than a few miles, and even then your focus was on camping rather than hiking. You don’t even know the difference between camping and hiking. Your feet are softer than the inside of a vagina. You think pemmican and whole potatoes are a good choice for hiking food. You don’t have a plan (probably the most important). You think pack weight isn’t important. You have no idea what you’re doing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Apr 2023 04:18:34 No.2568276 Report

Quoted By: >>2577883

>>2567780
Both are fine. Everclear has about 96.78% of the potential energy of a 90/10 ethanol/methanol (standard denatured alcohol).

The main disadvantage to everclear is that it can be safely taken internally and alcohol use is a factor in the majority of outdoors deaths.

Neither denature alcohol nor everclear can be used to purify water or safely disinfect wounds. Everclear can be used to disinfect injection sites and surgical equipment. Denatured alcohol is usually cheaper.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Apr 2023 12:51:48 No.2568380 Report

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>>2567828
Yes, Trangias are the backbones of the Finnish army, but no, Trangia is not a Finnish brand. It is Swedish. Trangias are great though, and they never let us down when enjoying our combat ration packages.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Apr 2023 13:50:08 No.2568405 Report

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Unless you're in a circumstance where alcohol is the only practical fuel I wouldn't bother with them. Only benefits in the majority of circumstances is they're quieter and slightly easier to source fuel for than your typical camping stoves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Apr 2023 21:35:27 No.2568555 Report

Quoted By:

>>2567736
let it cool and pour it back into your bottle

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Apr 2023 21:36:47 No.2568557 Report

Quoted By:

>>2567834
my alcohol stove boils water in like 3 minutes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Apr 2023 22:21:50 No.2568577 Report

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>>2567834
>takes fucking forever to boil water
worth it. im not outside to stress

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Anonymous Sun 16 Apr 2023 22:23:35 No.2568578 Report

Quoted By: >>2569413

>>2567960
How would such an esteemed outdoors man like you survive in pic rel?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Apr 2023 00:44:15 No.2568644 Report

Quoted By: >>2568772

what are you guys carrying your fuel in?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Apr 2023 00:50:51 No.2568647 Report

Quoted By: >>2568774

>>2567610
You tend to waste fuel and they get kinda messy but they're efficient and a good weight savings. I still prefer a little gas stove, but I've used an alcohol stove camping multiple times and they make do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Apr 2023 00:59:55 No.2568650 Report

Quoted By: >>2569229

>>2568035
>>2568061
>NOOOOOO, you can't do what man has done for millennia, you have to conform to the latest trends or you're a larper!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Apr 2023 01:02:21 No.2568652 Report

Quoted By: >>2569208

>>2567960
Please show pictures of your pot. I’m curious how dirty it is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Apr 2023 07:59:29 No.2568772 Report

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>>2568644
Plastic bottle

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Apr 2023 08:14:40 No.2568774 Report

Quoted By: >>2568775 >>2577779 >>2577883

>>2568647
alcohol stove,
CHEAP FUEL, EASIEST TO FIND ANYWHERE STORES ARE LOCATED
-gas stations in DRY COUNTIES have the fuel, medical type-denatured
-grocery stores have it
-medical stores have it
-some alcohol stores even have it
-outdoor/camping/fishing stores have it too

versus
propane(some regions DON'T have it, or just have one specific BRAND/TYPE/ADAPTER you have to have to use it)
butane(same issue, depends on region/time of year, connectors)
fuel tablets(online only, or buy another "burner set" just for more fuel

if you make the infamous hobostove versions via aluminum cans, it cools down FAST(bonus of aluminum as a material), just remember to have a small funnel and you too can pour the fuel back into the canister/bottle

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Apr 2023 08:17:02 No.2568775 Report

Quoted By: >>2578895

>>2568774
bonus info, if you DRINK denatured alcohol, those those SHAKES you are getting?!! thats your body's organs suffering poisoning and going into shock

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Apr 2023 15:33:18 No.2568891 Report

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I think they work fine, takes a little longer to boil
In my experience it works better then gas in when its cold, even if wintergas is used
I used alkohol stores at -30 celcius and it worked good but the gas i hade dident realy want to burn and mostly sputterd

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Apr 2023 18:02:54 No.2568999 Report

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People will hike with an extra half of a pound in their pack for 10 hours just so they can boil water 3 minutes faster. That’s pretty far outside the window of reasonable behavior. I think there’s something else at work here, specifically what I like to call the California Influence.

Americans don’t like to hear it because Californians are generally despised by the rest of the country. But hiking was such a huge part of the culture there, and combined with a high population and disproportionate media influence (specifically Backpacker magazine in the 1980’s), California gained a foothold as the dominant voice in the outdoor recreation conversation. It’s a position they still hold to this day, at least to some degree.

Unfortunately, the climate in that part of the country is drastically different than Real America. Things like rain gear and shelter choices don’t work as well across all environments, yet solutions are presented as carte blanch answers.

Alcohol stoves are no different. Denatured alcohol is banned in California now, and even when it wasn’t, there are very wide fire restrictions. So canister stoves were a necessity. The only reason people are using them in other places is because they consider excess pack weight a small price for three minutes of convenience, or they saw reviews and a canister stove is ubiquitous for some unknown reason.

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Anonymous Mon 17 Apr 2023 19:29:32 No.2569070 Report

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>>2567808
I put mine in an empty liquor bottle. They are lightweight and the cap is good

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Apr 2023 01:58:06 No.2569208 Report

Quoted By: >>2569210

>>2568652
Who the fuck cares? Do you display your camp pot in the kitchen?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Apr 2023 02:03:27 No.2569210 Report

Quoted By: >>2569226 >>2569439

>>2569208
See: >>2568061

Pic isn’t mine but if you use it in a campfire regularly this is what it ends up looking like. I don’t think you do that, but you could prove me wrong by posting a picture (you won’t).

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Anonymous Tue 18 Apr 2023 02:44:36 No.2569226 Report

Quoted By: >>2569245 >>2578897

>>2569210
Forgot the pic. I’ll just go play in traffic now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Apr 2023 02:53:31 No.2569229 Report

Quoted By: >>2569393

>>2568650
Not those anon, but I doubt you could do what man has done for a millennia.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Apr 2023 03:44:38 No.2569245 Report

Quoted By:

>>2569226
Does it still work?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Apr 2023 12:25:25 No.2569361 Report

Quoted By:

>>2567661
water is perfectly fine for putting out alcohol

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Apr 2023 13:21:22 No.2569393 Report

Quoted By: >>2569407 >>2569502 >>2569523 >>2578898

>>2569229
And I don't give a shit what some trendy zoomer faggot on /out/ thinks. I've been cooking over fires since the 90s, probably since before you were even born loser.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Apr 2023 14:01:26 No.2569407 Report

Quoted By: >>2569413

>>2569393
NTA
Why are you in this thread? You obviously care very much, since you have your shitty, theorycrafted, off-topic opinion and keep coming back to hear what we think.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Apr 2023 14:24:08 No.2569413 Report

Quoted By: >>2569426 >>2569458 >>2569688

>>2569407
I'm defending >>2567960
Sure, you don't want to craft a fire when there's a fire ban due to wildfire risk or when there's insufficient timber/kindling/fuel available like in >>2568578. But in most cases, it makes sense.
More than anything, I'm sick of seeing the gatekeeping and "you never go out" witchhunting fags who make this board worse than every other outdoors-related community in existence including Reddit and even Facebook. If it wasn't for quality threads like the fishing and homegrowing ones, I wouldn't even come here. The hiking threads are especially garbage because of the holier-than-thou faggots shitting up everything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Apr 2023 14:49:46 No.2569426 Report

Quoted By: >>2569431

>>2569413
t. car camping flatlander

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Apr 2023 15:00:15 No.2569431 Report

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>>2569426
If you seriously believe that making fires can only be done while car camping, let's just end the discussion here because it's obvious that I'm dealing with someone with no real outdoor knowledge or experience

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Apr 2023 15:14:48 No.2569439 Report

Quoted By: >>2569454

>>2569210
>cleaning isn't a thing
I bet your gear reeks

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Apr 2023 15:36:42 No.2569454 Report

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>>2569439
I’ll bet yours is so immaculate it looks like it’s never been used.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Apr 2023 15:44:50 No.2569458 Report

Quoted By: >>2569469 >>2569472 >>2569688

>>2569413
I've never been in a place where there are risk of wild fire, neither a place where there are no timber/kindling/fuel desu, I know those places exist but they're very rare

for you to cause a wild fire you need to do some really dumb shit ngl, it is hard af to do it

ppl here never go out and keep on overthinking stuff and spending weeks in the woods, I don't /out/ like that

I can't spend a week in the woods, I have no time available for that
also I've never actualy use anything that ppl in here use, to be honest not even knifes

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Apr 2023 15:56:50 No.2569469 Report

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>>2569458
My point was that there are juridsictional fire bans during certain times of the year when the risk is determined to be elevated. For example, Pennsylvania and New York currently have burn bans this time of year. I know this is 4chan where everyone is a super badass who disregards the rules, but it is a consideration for most.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Apr 2023 16:02:28 No.2569472 Report

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>>2569458
>basically all of California and the South West
>rare
That’s like 20% of the US population. Fire bans happen across the country on national forest land but it’s not as common. It’s dependent on rainfall, and the rain outside of the South West isn’t a strict rainy/dry seasonal pattern. It’s that pattern that’s led to trends in outdoor gear. See above about the California Influence.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Apr 2023 16:57:07 No.2569502 Report

Quoted By: >>2569507

>>2569393
>Zoomer
I'm 36, what I said still stands.

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Anonymous Tue 18 Apr 2023 17:01:03 No.2569505 Report

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some anons in this thread will get this and feel really good about it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Apr 2023 17:01:22 No.2569507 Report

Quoted By:

>>2569502
>I'm 36
So a millennial. Same difference. Actually even worse than zoomers now that I think about it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Apr 2023 17:12:29 No.2569514 Report

Quoted By:

>>2567649
>>2567662
>>2567680
Dump out your cooking pot and cover the stove with the pot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Apr 2023 17:30:53 No.2569523 Report

Quoted By:

>>2569393
Alcohol stoves are trendy with zoomers now? I’m well over 40 so I really don’t know.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Apr 2023 01:51:27 No.2569688 Report

Quoted By:

>>2569458
Disagree on the fire danger. It's all good until it's not. There are some locations which are just matches waiting to be lit. Agree that that you can take steps to be safe, but that requires common sense which you KNOW is never a guarantee.

>>2569413
It's a dumb comment because anyone who goes out enough knows that practically there will be times that making a fire is a) not worth the effort b) strictly difficult even for a determined person. Some folks never go out in ways that it would matter but plenty do. It's like advising that a 10lb canvas tent is a practical option to the camping public in 2023.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Apr 2023 02:00:39 No.2569693 Report

Quoted By: >>2570271

>>2567807
Yeah but the other one is drinkable

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Apr 2023 03:09:25 No.2570152 Report

Quoted By: >>2572111

>>2567832

Pro:Absolutely indestructable and viable for the whole 3rd world as well.
Usable under a tarp as a quick warmup option.
Can be used in abandoned buildings while waiting out rain.

Con:
Non adjustable flame.
Can't be filled while burning which if you have longer boiling can be needed.
Also you need to wait for it to cool down before packing so if you are a sneaky cunt and have to hide it and pack fast it helps to bring a container for holding and packing it away in an insulated manor.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Apr 2023 15:01:16 No.2570271 Report

Quoted By:

>>2569693
>One for you, one for me
Based dual purpose fuel enjoyer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Apr 2023 21:46:54 No.2570496 Report

Quoted By:

>>2567780
I use 198 proof Everclear

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Apr 2023 16:28:59 No.2572111 Report

Quoted By:

>>2570152
>non adjustable flame
Trangia burners come with simmering rings so that you can in fact adjust the flame. Trangias are also easy to put out with the said simmering rings for refilling of the burner.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Apr 2023 19:51:50 No.2572204 Report

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>>2567828
>£65/$75 for the cheapest model
I can buy a lot of gas for a stove with that. 15+ camps worth.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Apr 2023 23:36:46 No.2572304 Report

Quoted By: >>2572765

>>2567680
They updated the course material, it's called a tetrahedron now with the fourth part being the self sustaining chemical chain reaction.
T. Volunteer fire fighter for a long time.

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Anonymous Tue 25 Apr 2023 03:27:39 No.2572376 Report

Quoted By: >>2578763

would an alcohol stove be suitable for warming myself up indoors on cold days?
the fuel seems cheap enough but are there any other costs, does it have a wick?
never used one before but they seem neat and aesthetic. does clean burning mean i can use it without dying from carbon monoxide?

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Anonymous Tue 25 Apr 2023 21:26:20 No.2572705 Report

Quoted By: >>2572745 >>2572764 >>2577162

>>2567808
Why not just use the dedicated trangia fuel bottles? They are available in 300ml, 500ml and 1000ml. They don't leak, the fuel flows easily out of the bottle and they can be used for decades. They come in red and green too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Apr 2023 23:29:43 No.2572745 Report

Quoted By:

>>2572705
nta but i just ordered one. they look kino in green :)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Apr 2023 00:26:03 No.2572764 Report

Quoted By:

>>2572705
never used one, been thinking of getting one just because the """child safety""" cap on the denatured alcohol bottles are annoying

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Apr 2023 00:29:21 No.2572765 Report

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>>2572304
What kind of bullshit is that. Also, Pluto is a planet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Apr 2023 00:35:09 No.2572768 Report

Quoted By: >>2572787 >>2572918

>>2567610
fuel weighs more than most isobutane setups. colder than 30 degrees? gonna have a bad time. great for short trips in mild temps.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Apr 2023 01:32:26 No.2572787 Report

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>>2572768
Literally the opposite of reality. Where do people come up with this garbage? Are they misinformed or just old fashioned retards?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Apr 2023 01:36:15 No.2572788 Report

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If you've tried these pieces of shit you know they suck compared to a pocket stove. The weight difference is not much but one works every time and boils your water/cooks your food like your stove at home, the other is playing the waiting game. My backup plan is sticks and brush if it's life and death

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Apr 2023 12:24:15 No.2572918 Report

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>>2572768
>colder than 30

Here’s Shug camping at -30°F and using a Fancee Feest stove the next morning. He actually has a few ideas similar to this one.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DbiWJV3JSwM

Butane canisters fail just below freezing and Isobutane starts to fail in the teens. You can mount them upside down but only if you have a stove made to work with liquid fuel rather than vaporized gas (or both, as is usually the case with liquid fuel stoves). That is, a typical stove like a Pocket Rocket or BRS3000 won’t work. Here’s an article on why canister stoves fail in the winter.
https://winterbackpacking.com/will-a-canister-stove-work-for-winter-backpacking/#:~:text=With%20an%20isobutane%20canister%2C%20a,temperature%20of%2011°F.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 May 2023 21:02:09 No.2575299 Report

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>>2567986
i need a recipe for this soup

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 06 May 2023 11:45:40 No.2577162 Report

Quoted By: >>2577168 >>2577284 >>2577327

>>2572705
i have one of these, they are nice, but a pet bottle is just as good. i use the "rebull shot" one for weekend trips that just need 60ml for 2 fires.
>>2567610
>retard proof, put fuel in, ignite.
>clean, if the alcohol leaks / spills it does not matter
>fuel can be used for cleaning/ disinfecting
>pretty light, you can just take the exact amount of fuel you need. no need to carry a full gas canister etc
>no long term storage issues, alcohol is a liquid that can just be bottled
>not that temperature/pressure sensitive for normal camping
>cheap beginner and pro item
> can get fuel anywhere since commonly used chemical, a solvent, etc
>Indestructible /work when pretty broken

>>2567834
this is true, but there is never a situation where that would matter

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 May 2023 12:22:04 No.2577168 Report

Quoted By: >>2577196

>>2577162
>they are nice, but a pet bottle is just as good
what i like about the trangia bottle is you can measure your fuel coming out by timing it. pressing down for a count of 1 gives 10 ml approx. and so i just count to three and seem to get the perfect amount for a one cup boil every time. one little advantage i've noticed over standard bottles

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Anonymous Sat 06 May 2023 14:16:35 No.2577196 Report

Quoted By: >>2577197

>>2577168
yeah its got a pretty constant flow that thus great if you want "spill" a bit to have it prime a bit faster. but i just used a metal chisel to make dents for specific volumes.

i just use it for car trips if i need the volume or multiple stoves for group cooking.

(unrelated 1 more tip, you can use ceramic felt if you want to spill proof it a bit more. but you need to check how it affects your burn if it acts too much as a wick and makes it harder to drain the leftover fuel.)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 May 2023 14:21:17 No.2577197 Report

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>>2577196
yeah ceramic wool is fantastic, i picked up some to make it spill proof like you said. i use a trangia stove which has the lid and o ring, but it brings peace of mind knowing i can fill the stove directly for short trips and it won't leak in my bag

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 May 2023 18:10:27 No.2577284 Report

Quoted By: >>2577351

>>2577162
is that a windshield with built in pot holder? looks neat, where'd you get it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 May 2023 19:48:29 No.2577327 Report

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>>2577162
>there is never a situation where that would matter
Not in civilian life for sure, but in army it was kind of bullshit that we were given 30 minute food breaks and we had to use trangias to heat water for our freeze dried combat ration meals. That usually left you about 5 minutes of eating time after waiting 15 minutes for the water to boil and 10 minutes for the food to be eatable. :D
That being said, I love how quiet the alcohol stoves are. It almost feels as if my pocket rocket 2 would leave my ears ringing. It sure is a lot more comfy to cook with trangias.

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Anonymous Sat 06 May 2023 21:02:19 No.2577351 Report

Quoted By: >>2577354

>>2577284
it's a AliExpress micro wood stove that i use without the grill and as a firebox if needed. its no name with "jeebel camp" written on it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 May 2023 21:19:13 No.2577354 Report

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>>2577351
thank you, i might pick one up :)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 May 2023 23:51:24 No.2577435 Report

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>>2567649
I fart mine out, but I can fart on command and in an actual emergency I fart involuntarily so no problem there.

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Anonymous Sun 07 May 2023 18:55:34 No.2577779 Report

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>>2568774
gasoline or diesel stove mogs both

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 May 2023 21:12:35 No.2577858 Report

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They are the cultured gentlemans choice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 May 2023 22:19:51 No.2577883 Report

Quoted By: >>2577932

>>2567610
>>2568276
>>2568774
I live in Romania and I can say that denatured alcohol isn't common here.
The only common fuel options here are expensive grain alcohol which is tasteless and rubbing alcohol which is much much more affordable but still pretty expensive.
People here drink rubbing alcohol(through bread if you're fancy) so every store carries it.
Would using a portable gas stove be better than using a alcohol stove running on rubbing alcohol?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 May 2023 23:39:26 No.2577932 Report

Quoted By: >>2578152

>>2577883
70% rubbing alcohol will leave soot on your cookware, or at least it does for me. so you'd want 90%+ purity for best results. can you get bio-ethanol? that's what i use now. it's only a little more expensive than gas where i live.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 May 2023 11:56:51 No.2578152 Report

Quoted By: >>2578155 >>2578156

>>2577932
>bio-ethanol
The fuck is that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 May 2023 12:08:58 No.2578155 Report

Quoted By: >>2578156

>>2578152
To think he’s not American so the nomenclature might be different. All ethanol is biologically derived, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 May 2023 12:14:01 No.2578156 Report

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>>2578152
>>2578155
oh yeah i'm in the uk and we call it bio-ethanol. but yeah i guess it's just ethanol in the rest of the world?
>the fuck is that?
high purity alcohol made from plants. the one i buy is made from sugar beets.

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Anonymous Tue 09 May 2023 09:06:36 No.2578711 Report

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I've been using a small listerine bottle to store fuel. Seems to work good

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 May 2023 13:43:12 No.2578763 Report

Quoted By: >>2578793

>>2572376
You'd want to use some sort of radiator for heating. Carbon monoxide shouldn't be an issue.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 May 2023 14:28:55 No.2578793 Report

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>>2578763
good idea!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 May 2023 17:12:29 No.2578895 Report

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>>2568775
Denatured MEANS they made it unfit to drink. If you drink that, you deserve the shakes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 May 2023 17:15:02 No.2578897 Report

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>>2569226
nigger, do you not wash the inside of your pot either? Get a handful of sand and start rubbing. The sin here isn't a dirty pot, it's being too lazy to take care of your shit. It doesn't need to be sparkling clean, but there is no excuse for that amount of build up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 May 2023 17:19:08 No.2578898 Report

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>>2569393
> I don't give a shit what some trendy zoomer faggot on /out/ thinks.
Right back atcha, faggot.

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