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Anonymous Wed 10 May 2023 20:59:58 No.2579507 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>2579597 >>2579635 >>2579636 >>2579839 >>2579864 >>2580423 >>2580975 >>2582943 >>2585725 >>2586946 >>2588765

>destroys the land
>destroys our health
>destroys our food economies

Is subsidized industrial farming the worst thing to happen to /out/ in the entire history of humanity?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 May 2023 21:01:55 No.2579510 Report

Quoted By: >>2579515 >>2579616 >>2579624 >>2579638 >>2579738 >>2580700 >>2588504

It's the reason society is not starving to death

Sometimes, half the food we produce is wasted

Even thrown in dumpsters and landfills

To protect profits of large corporations

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 May 2023 21:06:15 No.2579515 Report

Quoted By: >>2579517 >>2579518 >>2579781 >>2580189

>>2579510

The demand for inexpensive food is the desire to not starve to death, but poverty and economic inequality leads to looting and rioting and people not being able to afford or even find what they need on shelves

Meanwhile, redneck people can survive, can fill a freezer in a single night with a fish trap line for nothing or next to nothing. Can hunt the deer, the hog, at the very least. With or without firearms.

Survival skills are very important but the urban environment depends upon commerce and has polluted the waterways for fishing or removed the natural environments for hunting wild game, legally or otherwise

This is why, throughout all history, political chaos and instability is concentrated in urban regions

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 May 2023 21:07:24 No.2579517 Report

Quoted By:

>>2579515

>This is why, throughout all history, political chaos and instability is concentrated in urban regions

Which serve as our centers of commerce and governance, in New York and Washington, respectively.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 May 2023 21:08:48 No.2579518 Report

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>>2579515

Urban gardening is still possible, it is still possible to take trips out into hunting and fishing areas that are safe to eat as well, and you can raise animals like chickens in the city

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 May 2023 23:48:30 No.2579596 Report

Quoted By:

Yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 May 2023 23:52:51 No.2579597 Report

Quoted By: >>2579842

>>2579507
unironically yes
>forced everyone to move to the city and become factory/office wageslaves
>allowed unbridled population growth
>reversed evolution
corporate farmers are a fucking plague

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 May 2023 01:06:21 No.2579616 Report

Quoted By: >>2579906 >>2580000

>>2579510
Now rewrite this in a haiku

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 May 2023 01:33:01 No.2579624 Report

Quoted By: >>2585730

>>2579510
Most of society should starve to death. All this goes to niggers

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 May 2023 02:24:20 No.2579635 Report

Quoted By:

>>2579507
Yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 May 2023 02:25:42 No.2579636 Report

Quoted By: >>2579727

>>2579507
This is why I and everyone on this board should always have a garden every year. Industrial farmed produce tastes worse, has lower nutrition, often fertilized with petroleum fertilizers, and is sprayed with literal poison that's just barely not strong enough to kill us.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 May 2023 02:32:59 No.2579638 Report

Quoted By:

>>2579510
>It's the reason society is not starving to death
I think we could survive without high fructose corn syrup.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 May 2023 09:24:45 No.2579727 Report

Quoted By: >>2579734

>>2579636
High quality industrial farming exists, don't buy the cheapest stuff. Gardening for food is not worth it solely from an efficiency standpoint

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 May 2023 10:37:33 No.2579734 Report

Quoted By:

>>2579727
>just buy the expensive shit
>don't pick up meaningful hobbies
gee, I wonder who could be behind this post.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 May 2023 10:51:10 No.2579738 Report

Quoted By: >>2579756

>>2579510
Yeah bro if wasn't for gmo basedbeans and corn, government subsidies, roundup, and corn syrup, we might not have the giant herd of useless eaters in the first world or the hordes of niggers who can't feed themselves in the third world.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 May 2023 12:10:49 No.2579756 Report

Quoted By: >>2579837 >>2587015

>>2579738
How would you feel if starvation happened to you and your family?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 May 2023 13:41:53 No.2579781 Report

Quoted By: >>2588205

>>2579515
>redneck people can survive, can fill a freezer in a single night with a fish trap line for nothing or next to nothing. Can hunt the deer, the hog, at the very least. With or without firearms
That's maybe a couple million people in a giant fucking country.
If 8 billion people did this everywhere, there wouldn't be a single fucking animal left.
You can only return to this kind of primal lifestyle if there were a culling of earths human population.
Early global homo sapiens population was in the hundred thousands.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 May 2023 16:11:16 No.2579837 Report

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>>2579756
I would be ashamed of myself and learn to hunt.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 May 2023 16:15:53 No.2579839 Report

Quoted By: >>2579860 >>2580268 >>2580426 >>2583150

>>2579507
No. Subsadizing third worlders and letting them into first world nations--promoting a population explosion of low IQ subhumans--is the worst thing to happen in the entire history of humanity. Without the population boom and feeding people who do nothing but eat and have babies is why we have massive swaths of industrial farm land in the first place.

You can have a healthy environment or feed subhumans--not both.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 May 2023 16:18:53 No.2579842 Report

Quoted By: >>2579848

>>2579597
No, it's the FDA.
Normal farmers were pushed out of farming because they are blocked from brining their products to market. Raw milk is banned, farm-to table meat is banned, shipping any sort of food across state lines is expensive and the worst is how the subsidies system works.

Most of these farms are actually privately owned but contract with major corporations. All of them obey Monsanto.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 May 2023 16:26:40 No.2579848 Report

Quoted By: >>2579881

>>2579842
The thing is, though, that farming is what generates the surplus of food that lets bureaucrats live while doing nothing useful while they restrict your activities.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 May 2023 16:47:09 No.2579860 Report

Quoted By: >>2579881 >>2579891 >>2587017

>>2579839
it's funny how the only successful parts of africa were european colonies.
and as soon as they kicked the euros out, it all went to shit.

but colonialism bad, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 May 2023 16:52:17 No.2579864 Report

Quoted By:

>>2579507
>Is subsidized industrial farming the worst thing to happen
Yes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 May 2023 17:07:52 No.2579881 Report

Quoted By:

>>2579848
>>2579860
>Noticers
It's nice to know I'm not the only one on the watch list.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 May 2023 17:15:32 No.2579891 Report

Quoted By: >>2579917

>>2579860
Yes, colonialism is bad. White man in Europe, black man in Africa, Stay in your lane and there should be no trouble. Mixing brings trouble, ask a black or white man. Colonialism in the past just gives them an excuse, but hindsight is 20/20.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 May 2023 17:54:39 No.2579906 Report

Quoted By:

>>2579616
It's why we don't starve

The food we make is wasted

To protect corpos

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 May 2023 18:08:00 No.2579917 Report

Quoted By: >>2587017

>>2579891
White colonialism was the best thing to happen to Africa and the worst thing to happen to whites. Africa's real problem has always been the muslim influx from what used to be Persia--rather amazing (((the media))) never mentions this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 May 2023 18:13:33 No.2579921 Report

Quoted By: >>2587018

I buy at least meat, milk, and eggs from local farms in PA, there's a store where you can get them here or I order some online. The Amish give me a bit of hope. Idk how they got websites if they're Amish I guess some of them do that. Kinda want to become Amish but it'd be a lot of work...

(and to be honest I'm afraid they won't let me have one of their girls because I had the vaccine...)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 May 2023 21:19:04 No.2580000 Report

Quoted By: >>2580102

>>2579616
Food waste abounds
Thrown away, not to be found
Corporate greed profound
[spoiler:lit]thanks, chatgpt[/spoiler:lit]

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 May 2023 00:40:46 No.2580102 Report

Quoted By: >>2580163

>>2580000
pulls quads like a champ
is it really a robot
they fucked up the haiku

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 May 2023 02:12:01 No.2580163 Report

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>>2580102
Saw someone on YT try to force chat to make a haiku. Failed like five times to actually make one that worked. It's not very good with numbers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 May 2023 03:08:06 No.2580189 Report

Quoted By: >>2588878

>>2579515
Rednecks and hicks and cityfags don't realize that as soon as even 1/4th of the population of an area starts hunting and poaching regularly, the entirety of the animal stocks would be gone in about a year or two. A single family would need at least 10-20 deers to get through a year on rations by caloric needs alone. The right answer is a mix of homestead gardening and raising animals and feed for them, hunting, and industrial farming. There are crops and animals for every climate on earth. Every family should have raincatch, a compost pile (using urine ideally), and at least several hundred sq ft of garden on their property at a minimum and that would reduce their industrial food reliance from 12months to maybe 11months at least. It would be best if everyone had 3-5 acres to try this on and raise hundreds of animals to, but not everyone can do that now and few folks do it sustainably when they do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 May 2023 08:40:33 No.2580268 Report

Quoted By: >>2580373 >>2582097 >>2582106 >>2583161

>>2579839
How would you feel if starvation happened to you and your family if someone else decided you are subhuman?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 May 2023 15:18:04 No.2580373 Report

Quoted By:

>>2580268
well i wouldn't try to infest their country, that's for sure.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 May 2023 16:27:23 No.2580423 Report

Quoted By: >>2580733

>>2579507
yes but normies are too lazy/dumb to relearn small scall farming to feed themselves and their families so here we are.. it only took two generations to get to this place. my grandparents fed themselves but my parents are retarded. and so was i until i buckled down and studied this stuff

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 May 2023 16:30:10 No.2580426 Report

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>>2579839
>Subsadizing third worlders and letting them into first world nations-
without them no one will clean up your trash and serve you your goyslop

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 May 2023 01:29:05 No.2580700 Report

Quoted By:

>>2579510
Chill out with your antisemitism

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 May 2023 03:03:19 No.2580733 Report

Quoted By:

>>2580423
>normies are too lazy/dumb to relearn small scall farming to feed themselves and their families so here we are

And even if they did, where exactly do you propose they grow the food? No shit your grandparents could feed themselves living on a giant fucking parcel of land that they paid pennies for

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 13 May 2023 16:57:01 No.2580975 Report

Quoted By: >>2582193 >>2587019 >>2587022

>>2579507
No, fuck you and all your misanthropic environmentard friends. I like food, I like eating food, and most importantly unlike people that lived before me I like never having to worry about the fact that one day I might be hungry and not have food to eat.

Zero your carbon footprint today and kys

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 May 2023 18:13:40 No.2581010 Report

Quoted By: >>2581357 >>2585858 >>2587023

>everyone becomes a small-scale farmer
>massive loss in labor specialization that drove economic growth over the past 10,000 years
>massive loss of the productive benefit of cities reducing wasteful commutes since everyone moved to suburbs/exurbs to be a hip and trendy """self-sustaining semi-farmer"
>everything gets more expensive
>tools and building materials skyrocket in price due to nothing getting done
>no one can afford to buy even basic necessities
>corporate farmer comes up and offers a day's food for a family for like 1 hour of wages
Idk why I built this situation in my mind, but then again, I'm pretty sure this is what happened in China under Mao (wanted everyone to kill sparrows and farm on their own and own home smelteries and other dumb shit)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 14 May 2023 11:32:24 No.2581357 Report

Quoted By: >>2582099

>>2581010
they fucked up under mao because of the fact they were killing the animals
you've taken what was said and created your own version, not everyone would need to be knowledgeable, just one in each family, or even a couple in a few families who can share space/resources

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 May 2023 16:09:00 No.2582097 Report

Quoted By:

>>2580268
Starvation doesn't *just happen* to people with non subhuman intelligence. The historical causes of food shortages are predictable to non 80 iqs, and largely preventable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 May 2023 16:10:29 No.2582099 Report

Quoted By:

>>2581357
>Bring back extended family farm estates
Tradpilled

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 May 2023 16:25:00 No.2582106 Report

Quoted By: >>2585852

>>2580268
I would feed myself because I am not retarded.
>but muh famines
Famines happen because of awful use of agricultural land, improper use and storage of water, rarely environmental. Even if they do have droughts there are a dozen ways to mitigate this with effort and pre thought.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 May 2023 19:49:10 No.2582193 Report

Quoted By: >>2586101

>>2580975
>I WILL eat the slop
>I WILL never worry about anything
>there's no problems there's no problems, llalalalala
eat pavement shabbos nigger

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2023 04:21:09 No.2582943 Report

Quoted By: >>2583094 >>2583773

>>2579507
>its the corporations guuuuys
its not the farmers, its not the fda, its not monsanto
it is %100 the consumer
people want cheap food
you speak for yourself and a tiny minority of misanthropic weirdos

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2023 15:16:08 No.2583094 Report

Quoted By: >>2583204 >>2583773

>>2582943
This is not at all true, people cannot choose not to buy food if it is too expensive they buy it regardless. Right now the food prices in the west and most countries are kept artificially low by government subsidies. Farmers could easily make more money, reduce food waste and pollution if they unionized and stopped producing food to be burned or shipped to Africa for pennies on the dollar but they can't do that because right now because without government subsides they would be out of business.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2023 16:26:43 No.2583150 Report

Quoted By:

>>2579839
Funny how we had to lower the bar for mental retardation as soon as the slaves were freed

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2023 16:45:39 No.2583161 Report

Quoted By:

>>2580268
>Leftoid thinks the entire world revolves around gibs.
You know certain groups of people have agency and can create stuff for themselves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 May 2023 18:10:01 No.2583204 Report

Quoted By: >>2583623

>>2583094
>people cannot choose not to buy food if it is too expensive they buy it regardless
>im not out of touch, we just have to force everyone to agree with me. otherwise they wont do what i want.
or you could fuck off and mind your own business

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 May 2023 07:25:37 No.2583623 Report

Quoted By:

>>2583204
what if i don't

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 May 2023 16:44:05 No.2583773 Report

Quoted By: >>2583777

>>2582943
>Food policy and the corporations don't price fix and suppress competition
Wrong
>Consumers are retarded
Not wrong

EBT is why retarded consumers can buy cheap goyslop. If the US didn't have EBT most of the fat retards who we pay to feed wouldn't be able to by endless supplies of fatpills..but thus is all made possible by food cartels and the FDA.
>>2583094
Mostly correct. Consumers are retarded though and we absolutely subsidise 80iq subhumans who throw piles of money they got from taxpayers at Nabisco and Unileaver.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 May 2023 16:55:00 No.2583777 Report

Quoted By: >>2584679 >>2586723

>>2583773
i don't understand EBT people. being behind them in line at the grocery store is all kinds of wtf

>cart loaded with soda, processed bullshit
>pay cash for their beer/cigarettes
>see that they're using a $1200 dollar iphone

they really ought to restrict EBT to staple purchases only.
no soda, no candy, no processed foods of any kind.

more and more i'm realizing that people are poor because of their idiotic consumption habits and inability to plan; not necessarily because of how much they make.
>mcdonalds for 4 people => +40 bucks (it's considered 'cheap' food somehow) poors do this or similar several times a week. probably using credit cards too.
meanwhile a crock pot and about $20 worth of ingredients yields like 8 separate meals (which are healthier and better tasting) with almost no prep time. our tax dollars are used to subsidize the former; not just in food costs (which are basically a gimme to ADM and nabisco) but also health care.

home-ec really, really needs to be brought back into schools.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 May 2023 06:51:59 No.2584679 Report

Quoted By:

>>2583777
But the gov wants you to consume those things, that's why those purchases are allowed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 17:12:59 No.2585725 Report

Quoted By:

>>2579507
I feel very weak and meaningless when I think about it brah

I hate what is happening to the world both the fauna and the flora, and obviously the path that human kind is headed like you said

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 17:20:10 No.2585730 Report

Quoted By:

>>2579624
This but unironically

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 21:53:55 No.2585852 Report

Quoted By:

>>2582106
>Even if they do have droughts
drought is not exactly responsible for famines.
late frost + wet spring + wet summer? all goes to shit, that combination killed millions in the last 4 centuries alone

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 22:01:40 No.2585858 Report

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>>2581010
no, this is what happened in east germany, despite having machinery technologically advanced by 2 decades compared to the west (up until they caught up in the 80s)

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 23 May 2023 14:56:16 No.2586101 Report

Quoted By:

>>2582193
Zero your carbon footprint

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 May 2023 19:37:13 No.2586723 Report

Quoted By:

>>2583777
Even if they restricted it youd just see a rise in black market shops that take ebt money for restricted products while declaring the purchase of staple foods at a markup. So in the end you'd get the nwords buying the same shit that they do now but at higher prices.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 May 2023 06:11:38 No.2586946 Report

Quoted By:

>>2579507
annual crops are an addictive substance.

every civilization build upon annuals has collapsed.

before america was colonized it was an Oak savanna : chesnuts, cherries, walnuts, peanuts, corn, berries, beans, squash and sweet potato.

the natives lived in abundance, they ate off the branch. they took care of their soil and it supported them for 10,000 years.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 May 2023 10:44:54 No.2587015 Report

Quoted By:

>>2579756
I would have a garden, a trap line, some fishing tackle, my preserved food, and my rifle. Fuck monocultures and fuck industrialization, let the 3rd worlders starve.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 May 2023 10:49:05 No.2587017 Report

Quoted By:

>>2579860
>>2579917
The reason they went to shit is because they got used to the white man's civilization and didn't know how to go back to the ways of their ancestors. Their population boomed, they forgot how to take care of themselves without whitey, and now they are left alone in a mad max hellworld to fend for themselves. I bet things were better when they were hunter-gatherers, herdsmen, and horticulturists. Oh btw without colonialism there would be no niggers in america, and we wouldn't have everyone wanting to kill whitey. Western colonialism is just NWO globalism but instead of jews at the top it's white people who wanna be jews (and get funded by jews)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 May 2023 10:50:28 No.2587018 Report

Quoted By: >>2588195

>>2579921
Amish are just wannabe jews, very xenophobic and weird. They won't let you have one of their girls, even if you decide to become amish. They are very protective of their own.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 May 2023 10:52:17 No.2587019 Report

Quoted By:

>>2580975
Hell yeah based, continue eating low quality food filled with corn syrup and glyphosate. It's your FREEDOM to do so.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 May 2023 10:54:58 No.2587022 Report

Quoted By: >>2587070

>>2580975
You know, acknowledging that the dominant system of agriculture is harmful and needs to change isn't the same as saying "STEAL ALL THE FARMS FROM THE FARMERS, REDUCE EMISSIONS, KILL ALL WHITE PEOPLE, PUT MASKS ON THE COWS, FORCE EVERYONE TO GET ELECTRIC TRACTORS, WE NEED TO DO THIS ALL OVERNIGHT!!"

Things need to change, but obviously not the way that the climate fags are saying. There are smart, gradual ways to ease people into permaculture and local food self-sufficiency.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 May 2023 10:57:01 No.2587023 Report

Quoted By:

>>2581010
You're so right, nobody should know how to grow their own food. We should suck the dust from our farmers' toes and worship their cocks for being the selfless heroes feeding the world out of the kindness of their hearts (totally not for subsidy money or crop insurance)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 May 2023 13:14:00 No.2587070 Report

Quoted By: >>2587128

>>2587022
The problem with that is that the solution lies necessarily in getting rid of a whole mass of people who should not exist let alone being in this country. Like everything in the modern world it is ultimately a demographics issue because the model of sustainable local agriculture only works in a homogenous high IQ society with work ethics, ie a White society. Trying to implement that in the current racial septic tank that is modern America would just lead to the smaller White farmers working to the bone to feed a mass of urban non Whites, which is essentially what it is now but far less efficient.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 May 2023 15:48:52 No.2587128 Report

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>>2587070
or what happens in SA/Rhodesia, the local hordes of mudpeople murder the productive white farmers then complain endlessly about starvation and oppression.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 May 2023 20:08:14 No.2588195 Report

Quoted By:

>>2587018
>Amish are just jews
Holey shit you're retarded, Akmed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 May 2023 20:18:21 No.2588205 Report

Quoted By:

>>2579781
post yfw the great reset or stopping people from reproducing is the answer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 May 2023 08:15:54 No.2588504 Report

Quoted By:

>>2579510
>Make more food
>More people are born
>Food goes away
>More people die and suffer

I mean, it's actually the reason people starve to death too.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 28 May 2023 19:36:29 No.2588765 Report

Quoted By: >>2588879

>>2579507
>Government is involved
>It's a catastrophe
Many such cases.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 May 2023 22:21:36 No.2588878 Report

Quoted By:

>>2580189
>The right answer is a mix of homestead gardening and raising animals
>Chickens
>Eggs
>Use the eggshells in the composite pile for better soil
>Use the scrap plant matter to feed to the chickens or the compost
>Rinse, repeat
>A good size homestead garden
>Maybe get a milk-goat, idk
Yes.

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Anonymous Sun 28 May 2023 22:23:26 No.2588879 Report

Quoted By:

>>2588765
>Not making it into fucking cheese
The Wisconsin-ite in me is REEEEEEEE'ing hard asf.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 29 May 2023 14:46:21 No.2589193 Report

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zhaochang peng is a marxoid chink, but he has written a very useful break down of the debate between ecological and industrial forms of agriculture. required /out/ reading imo
https://www.scienceopen.com/hosted-document?doi=10.13169/worlrevipoliecon.9.2.0188#pdf-content

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