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>>271742

How can you seriously be retarded enough to see a little hexi stove like that and think it's liquid fuel? There are tabs NEXT TO IT. Check the box, did you honestly think that cup was in there? Seriously, did somebody drop you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Feb 2014 21:34:36 No.272113 Report

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>>272088
dude. the fuel is inside the mug. open your eyes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Feb 2014 21:45:29 No.272121 Report

Quoted By: >>272940

>>271736
I dunno if I'd trust one of them little folding stoves to lock at that angle, but wide open they've always worked fine when I used them. I don't liek the tablet fuel things generally so not for me.

I honestly see absolutely no point in the other two items... except the salt & pepper shaker. I don't have a really nice way to carry those right now. Using two separate slide-sort-of-closed shakers from some kind of picnic set atm.

... maybe I'll give it a browse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Feb 2014 22:12:43 No.272149 Report

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>>272113
:I

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Feb 2014 22:29:24 No.272162 Report

Quoted By: >>272940

>>271736

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beverage-can_stove

Just make a stove.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 18 Feb 2014 12:57:29 No.272500 Report

Quoted By: >>272506 >>272670 >>272940 >>273068 >>273646

Probably the right thread to ask about this:
What should I take to cook on when plane-camping?
I don't think you're allowed to take alcohol or gas on a plane.
Just make a pic related and try to buy some alcohol on arrival?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Feb 2014 13:13:42 No.272506 Report

Quoted By: >>272521

>>272500

Why not do OP's fuel-cell type burner?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Feb 2014 13:42:12 No.272521 Report

Quoted By: >>272536 >>272539 >>272551 >>272940

>>272506
I was thinking about that and it was what spiked my interest to read the thread, but then OP said:
> the first stove is shit. Its not liquid fuel

And frankly, I haven't heard much positive things about tabs.

What are the pros and cons? Are they reliable? Are they efficient?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Feb 2014 14:57:49 No.272536 Report

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>>272521
>What are the pros and cons? Are they reliable? Are they efficient?

I can't speak for the tabs, but I'd take my soda can stove over my MSR any day of the week if I'm solo camping. It has no moving parts, so it never fails unless I'm a fucktard and spill my fuel. I have to bring along a spares kit with my MSR every time in case I blow out an o-ring.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Feb 2014 15:04:40 No.272539 Report

Quoted By: >>272553 >>272555 >>272798 >>272940 >>272980

>>272521
Pro
>light & compact
>efficient (1/3 of a tab is enough to heat food, a whole to boil water)
>can't spill any fuel
>airplane legal
>6 tabs can be carried inside the stove when folded
>cheap
>reliable
>fuel is light & leaves no empty cartridges etc

Con
>can't shut off, i.e. once it's burning it'll burn until the tab is used up
>can't be regulated, i.e. always burns at max
>non-critical, but gets dirty while in use
>slightly suspectible to wind moving the flame and heating point around, although this is easily solved

I'd recommend it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Feb 2014 15:26:47 No.272547 Report

Quoted By: >>272553

>>271742
Hexamine stoves are hot shit dude. I live off them for at least a week every year. Dont let the hexy get wet(hydroscopic) and dont breathe the fumes. Other than that, theyre brilliant

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Feb 2014 15:39:54 No.272551 Report

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>>271742
Esbit stoves are THE shit, I have one for my cold-weather and lightweight camping gear and I love it to death.

>>272521
here's my uhpinion on tabs and tab stoves:
pros
>easy to pack
>can use any tab fuel in a tab stove (i use trioxane and esbit, sometimes at the same time)
>easy to supplement with twigs
>stoves are hardy, you can drop them off a cliff and use it afterwards
cons
>have to put in a new tablet every once and a while if you're cooking something big
>not as consistent heat-wise as liquid/gas fuels

I love my little stove though, as you can guess. To each his own tho

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Feb 2014 15:42:29 No.272553 Report

Quoted By: >>272588 >>272716

>>272539
>>272547
>>272551

MSR whisperlite anyone?

Howdoes?

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Anonymous Tue 18 Feb 2014 15:47:17 No.272555 Report

Quoted By: >>272585

>>272539
>can't shut off
Put it on the ground then cover it to deprive it from oxygen would do. Or just try blow it very hard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Feb 2014 17:05:55 No.272574 Report

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how can you not know that rei has an outlet store, it's starting you right in the face when you open up the page

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Anonymous Tue 18 Feb 2014 17:37:08 No.272585 Report

Quoted By: >>272674

>>272555

You can definitely blow them out. Esbits tabs do this weird crystallization thing when you do it too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Feb 2014 17:54:55 No.272588 Report

Quoted By: >>272940

>>272553
the only real reason to justify a liquid fuel stove is for winter conditions or high altitudes. in those cnditions it's pretty much the only thing that works, but otherwise isn't better than gas canister stoves.

gas canister stoves are gnerally lighter, and easier to get fuel for, and in non-winter conditions pump out higher BTUs

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Feb 2014 20:40:13 No.272670 Report

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>>272500
idk if you can bring fuel in it, but most liquids you can have in those little bottles as long as its only so much. but soda can stoves can burn so much. as long as your not going to like, africa, you can burn yellow heet, it has to be yellow, or just pick up something when you get there. also you can burn the esbit tabs from the OPic in them. i have two soda can stoves, a penny can stove, and the typical one with the large open area above the fuel reservoirs, i prefer the open one just because its easier. just a tip, make it out of an arizona can or similarly sized larger can.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Feb 2014 20:44:23 No.272674 Report

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>>272585
cool.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Feb 2014 22:08:17 No.272716 Report

Quoted By: >>272804 >>273739 >>273808

>>272553

legitimately shit. Avoid. Make a alcohol cat food stove.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pajkt594Ruw

AKnative

AKnative Wed 19 Feb 2014 01:08:17 No.272798 Report

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>>272539
>can't be regulated, i.e. always burns at max
This stove claims a "simmer mode"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvgJU7hrMRI
Every other stove IS UNregulated, like you stated.

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Anonymous Wed 19 Feb 2014 01:23:25 No.272804 Report

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>>272716

Finally someone else with common sense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Feb 2014 06:41:39 No.272940 Report

Quoted By: >>272941

>>272085

anything on that site, meaning you can get it for else at other places

>>272088

lol this faggot still thinks /out/ is here to one up other anons and make your own faggot ass feel better

>>272121

yeah thats why I advised against it; liquid or gel would be cheaper than those tabs and the base has holes so thats impossible

>>272162
>>272500

they just seem so cheap though, like you'd be left making a new one every other week

if you're going somewhere that doesn't allow it, its a major airport and you can just buy it when you land; if not they wont give a shit, just tell the pilot beforehand

>>272521

tabs cost more and if you're in a situation where you're out of them, you're shit out of luck because they purposely cut holes in the base so you're forced to buy them (its only like $1 per tab but thats still x10 what other fuels cost.

>>272539
first con applies to those bottle can ones as well, just a heads up. and not only that but you're sol if you have to get packed because kicking over the tab leaves a small flaming 2x2 inch tab while kicking the alcohol filled can leads to burning in a 100 meter radius

>>272588
pretty much this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Feb 2014 06:42:39 No.272941 Report

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>>272940

>anything on that site, meaning you can get it for else at other places

the fuck was I typing, jesus. I meant anything on that site that's listed above $5 can be found elsewhere for much cheaper

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Feb 2014 07:47:11 No.272962 Report

Quoted By: >>272975 >>273020

what do you guys think of trangia stoves?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Feb 2014 07:48:10 No.272963 Report

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>>271736
Save your $9 and get a mug with a long handle, non meltable spoon from home, and a ferrocerium/magnesium fire starter.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 19 Feb 2014 08:36:06 No.272975 Report

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>>272962

Trangia stoves are awesome, i use a steel one bought in the 80s. Only downside i would say is that weight, if trekking alone a 2-3kg for a stove is a bit much especially if you can have a fire going.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Feb 2014 08:53:35 No.272978 Report

Quoted By: >>272979

>>271742

If you look on amazon, the esbit stoves cost around 10 bucks with 6 tablets. BTW those esbit stoves are awesome, very portable and you can store the tablets inside.

$3 is pretty dope but $6 shipping is not that cool even if I buy a couple things. Have to spend 50$ to get free shipping...meh. I have amazon money from coinstar (loose change jar into amazon bux).

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Feb 2014 08:56:56 No.272979 Report

Quoted By: >>273076

>>272978

yeah see I didn't even consider shipping

I want to make a website/business that just sells decent, solid made outdoor supplies for as cheap as humanly possible, like fuck it, non for profit cheap just reselling it for what I buy it + operational costs like hosting

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Feb 2014 08:58:10 No.272980 Report

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>>272539

>can't shut off
as other people said, u can blow it out or deprive it of oxygen and it will go out
>gets dirty
a good trick is to use aluminum foil and carry it with you in the stove (cut square pieces the size of stove or the area that burns), burn the tablets on the aluminum foil

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Feb 2014 12:12:59 No.273020 Report

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>>272962

So comfy. ':3

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Feb 2014 13:48:59 No.273031 Report

Quoted By: >>273060

Why is /out/ all about bringing home luxuries into the wild?
Being outdoors is all about wiping your ass with grass and watching the kettle fall over in a bonfire.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Feb 2014 15:52:55 No.273060 Report

Quoted By: >>273109

>>273031
wow you bring a kettle in the woods? you fucking bourgeoisie scum, you capitalist pig. i fucking boil water IN MY HANDS. because no fucking luxuries in the wild. you boil that shit yourself if you want water.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Feb 2014 16:14:57 No.273068 Report

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>>272500
>What should I take to cook on when plane-camping?
>I don't think you're allowed to take alcohol or gas on a plane.

You can take an MSR style stove (multi fuel) with an empty bottle (wash it with alcohol on the inside and let it dry to avoid problems). When you get off the plane, you stop at a gas station an buy some gas.
I've a chinesse one that works wonders, its a CAMPSOR-9, works with liquid and gas fuels, and for like 2$ I bought an adapter on ebay to use the more cheap gas canisters too. You ALWAYS find fuel with one of those.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Feb 2014 16:31:02 No.273076 Report

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>>272979
There is ebay, I buy everithing there. (I'm not in the US btw). Cheapest place I've found with lots of things. Don't overlook some chinesse products, they do make some very good stuff, and usually offer freeshiping worldwide.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Feb 2014 17:25:04 No.273097 Report

Quoted By: >>273103

>>271736
>Don't overlook some chinesse products, they do make some very good stuff, and usually offer freeshiping worldwide.
no, and yes. if you want to wait 5 weeks for it

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Feb 2014 17:30:05 No.273103 Report

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>>273097
It's a downside, but you can't beat the price. If you want it fast, all sellers offer express shiping for like 20 bucks on average.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Feb 2014 17:53:22 No.273109 Report

Quoted By: >>273111

>>273060
Wow! Boil water in your hands? That is luxury. You're getting to warm your hands? You truly are bourgeoisie scum.

I make cup from own poo poo and boil water in that. True proletariat doesn't have time to sit by the fire to warm precious hands. While you sit enjoying self, I must go kick down trees for building shelter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Feb 2014 18:01:45 No.273111 Report

Quoted By: >>273623

>>273109
i don't drink water when i'm /out/ and i wipe my ass with the instep of my boot you plebian bourgeoisie philistine

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Feb 2014 07:57:35 No.273623 Report

Quoted By: >>273639

>>273111

>not just drinking your own piss for a refreshing warm drink

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Feb 2014 08:26:35 No.273639 Report

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>>273623
>implying i'm some kind of spoiled kulak

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Feb 2014 08:52:43 No.273646 Report

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>>272500
Made a few of those for fun. They actually work pretty well. Didn't get fancy, just two can bottoms with holes in the upside-down one and a penny on top. A bit of fiberglass insulation on the inside is a good idea, too.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Feb 2014 15:47:01 No.273739 Report

Quoted By: >>273769 >>273808

>>272716
Gonna need a bit more than just 'They're shit'. I use an XGK EX without problems, sturdy as fuck, works at altitude and great for melting snow etc.

It's a little heavy but the fuel can be shared by the whole team in little 400ml fuel bottles. Plus the fuel bottles are generally easier to reuse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Feb 2014 16:22:36 No.273769 Report

Quoted By: >>273789 >>273800 >>273808

>>273739

Okay bud! The seal from the stove to the bottle leaked like a sieve as did the pump and I got covered in white gas.

"Sturdy as fuck" is not going to cut it when you take a fall onto your pack or have to toss it down a short cliff before climbing down after it.

I'm not going to say it would be impossible to build a GOOD pressurized white gas stove for backpacking (read as: not a Coleman car camper) but it wouldn't use terribad plastic components and would use AN fittings or an equivalent threaded metal pressure line.

Honestly not worth the weight and complication compared to a tin can with holes in. Bend that shit taking a tumble? Bend it back in seconds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Feb 2014 17:17:21 No.273789 Report

Quoted By: >>273800 >>273808

>>273769
Do you store your fuel bottle with the fuel pump attached or something? I can't envisage what you describe.

My fuel bottle with a fully tight expedition cap on it ain't leaking short of something puncturing through the metal itself.

The actual stove can handle a good beating no problem, it's made out of metal. Hard to imagine what you'd do to break it, and what of the rest of your stuff? Your tent pole etc are gonna be smashed to bits.

Admittedly the pump is a bit weak, plastic an all, I store it immoble in the cooking pot (with the stove as it goes) and is thust protected from all but what must be the most brutal fall or a bag flying out over a thousand foot drop.

I've used an alcohol stove before and found it woefully inadequate for anything other than boiling a modest amount of water (no ice).

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Feb 2014 17:37:09 No.273800 Report

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>>273769
are you fucking trolling are are you just retarded?

There is a reason why whisperlites, xgks and omnifuels are used on mountaineering expeditions around the world. I have a primus omnifuel and it's pretty much the most bombproof piece of kit that I own. It's also the very best stove I own (I have several.) If you seriously think that white gas stoves are junk, you're a fucking idiot.

>>273789
>>273789
This guy has it right. The MSR pumps aren't the best, but I keep my primus' pump attached all the time and I've never had a problem. Know why? It's made of metal, bitch. Fuck your pissant alcohol stove.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Feb 2014 17:43:13 No.273808 Report

Quoted By: >>273860

>>273789
>>273769
>>273739
>>272716

Thanks for all the info.

>Cat can

These are neat but not a true replacement for a stove.... please before the DIY crowd goes nuts on me I've got nothing against making your own shit, I'd just prefer a small stove with a fuel control and not a tin can with a bunch of gas soaked rags, sharp edges, and no surface area for a pan (So I have to carry a stand, which means I may as well get a stove......) Just saying, for my personal preference they aren't what fits the bill.

Also, I feel like your leaky experience had to do with the o-rings between the fittings. Even steel threaded fittings on hard lines have o-rings, and they all wear out. Not many systems operate without them, and when they fail- you leak.

I only asked because I saw one for cheap as dicks (like 50 bucks lightly used) and wanted to know what the world thought of them.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Feb 2014 20:19:04 No.273860 Report

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>>273808
If you can get one cheap go for it. I got my XGK off ebay second hand and it worked great, plus you can strip the entire stove and pump (with the expedition kit) to service it.

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