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What a load of bullshit. I've been out here in the Colorado/Utah area for three months now and here are my observations.
> Massive volume of private property. Rich assholes own everything and turn it into private hunting land. Very little public land in reasonable proximity to any place where you can actually get a job.
> Serious public land access issues. Very little parking adjacent to public land, very little of that maintained in winter at all. Roadside parking frequently physically impossible for normal highway vehicles. The few decent parking areas are usually at the foot of incredibly steep mountains, so you basically can't do a single thing outdoors without first doing a grueling summit hike.
> Treeless terrain significantly reduces the value of public land. There is nowhere to hide. If you want any privacy you have to hike great distances. In the East by comparison you could stealth camp 100 yards behind Dollar General for years if you wanted to. All those satellite pictures showing population density by streetlight visibility are completely BTFO when you consider that tree cover massively increases the/out/ viability of any given piece of land.
> No trees mean no natural resources. No bushcraft material. No campfires. It feels like something vital has been removed from life. Playing with sagebrush and rocks isn't the same.
I have never felt more frustrated and trapped in my car in my life. I'm putting more mileage on it than ever.
I'm developing health problems because I can't get any exercise here because there's almost no way to actually access any public land. My whole life back East, I just took "going out in the woods" for granted. I'm moving back ASAP. This is literally the worst /out/ place in North America, nothing but rocks and 90 degree hillsides everywhere. I almost want to call 911 and say I'm trapped on I70.
> Massive volume of private property. Rich assholes own everything and turn it into private hunting land. Very little public land in reasonable proximity to any place where you can actually get a job.
> Serious public land access issues. Very little parking adjacent to public land, very little of that maintained in winter at all. Roadside parking frequently physically impossible for normal highway vehicles. The few decent parking areas are usually at the foot of incredibly steep mountains, so you basically can't do a single thing outdoors without first doing a grueling summit hike.
> Treeless terrain significantly reduces the value of public land. There is nowhere to hide. If you want any privacy you have to hike great distances. In the East by comparison you could stealth camp 100 yards behind Dollar General for years if you wanted to. All those satellite pictures showing population density by streetlight visibility are completely BTFO when you consider that tree cover massively increases the/out/ viability of any given piece of land.
> No trees mean no natural resources. No bushcraft material. No campfires. It feels like something vital has been removed from life. Playing with sagebrush and rocks isn't the same.
I have never felt more frustrated and trapped in my car in my life. I'm putting more mileage on it than ever.
I'm developing health problems because I can't get any exercise here because there's almost no way to actually access any public land. My whole life back East, I just took "going out in the woods" for granted. I'm moving back ASAP. This is literally the worst /out/ place in North America, nothing but rocks and 90 degree hillsides everywhere. I almost want to call 911 and say I'm trapped on I70.
