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oak trees losing prominence?

Anonymous Sun 08 Dec 2024 10:18:12 No.2792878 View View Reply Original Report

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRWHHOAf39U

I watched this video and now I want to talk about it. Are oak tree forests really going to be fucked if we don't kill the other trees so oak saplings can have a fighting chance?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Dec 2024 13:08:03 No.2792903 Report

Quoted By: >>2793065 >>2793174

>>2792878
Yes it is true. As he states in the video heavy deer browse, an increase of exotic pests, migration of pests due to our warming climate, and the absence of fire in the landscape is seriously hindering their regeneration. There is a forestry company I worked for in the NE that implemented tall "slash walls" post-harvest, and has a healthy pool of hunters to reduce deer populations in their forests. These methods are effective and they do get prolific oak regeneration in their woods.

But hunters are decreasing as time goes on... and with no prolific natural predator to cull off deer populations here in the East, oaks are always going to struggle to regenerate without intensive management. There is hope though, people who manage forests here understand the problem, but again it is very labor intensive to ensure they successfully regenerate.

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Anonymous Mon 09 Dec 2024 01:34:51 No.2793065 Report

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>>2792903
>hunters are decreasing as time goes on
Make it easier and cheaper to get out of state licenses. I have family in Indiana and Montana and would love to hunt there when I'm visiting if it wasn't stupid expensive.

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Anonymous Mon 09 Dec 2024 01:45:17 No.2793067 Report

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>>2792878
One of my favorite hunting spots in the piney woods of Texas I use this giant, probably 400 year old Live Oak tree as my guide when to turn east on a trail.

Sure oak trees are not as common. But as long as forest agriculture keeps progressing, or even stays the same, I think most forest managers know to keep some oaks. I'm camped under a skinny but tall oak right in east Texas in a national forest.

The supposed oldest oak tree in Texas is down by Port Arkansas.

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Anonymous Mon 09 Dec 2024 19:22:02 No.2793174 Report

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>>2792878
I normally hate youtubers but that dudes ai'te. I still watch him and I don't live anywhere near where he makes these.

The issue I have with him is he dances around the real issues and is way to nice about it.

Urban sprawl and logging is why the east coast forests are fucked. The urban sprawl reduces the grazing land of the deer populations and the loggers are idiots that lie about everything.

>>2792903
>Kill all the predators
>reee why do we have so many deer reee
>Logging has nothing to do with pests I swear!
Loggers are cancer.

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Anonymous Mon 09 Dec 2024 19:23:18 No.2793175 Report

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>>2793067
>forest managers
Imagine believing these people care about forest health beyond extracting as much wealth as possible without outright killing it in less than 100 years.

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Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2024 19:38:21 No.2794766 Report

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>>2792878
Here, oak is the most common tree in the woods by far. There are about 30 species or so. Especially in the bottomland. Water Oak, Live Oak, Post Oak, Laurel Oak, and S. Red Oak outcompete every other large hardwood numerically and it really isn't even close. Water Oak and Live Oak are particularly virile.

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Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2024 19:46:10 No.2794769 Report

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>>2793067
I'm in the wiregrass. Oaks tend to like bottomland except for a few upland species like Scarlet Oak, Bluejack Oak, Blackjack Oak, etc etc.

The bottomland trees don't need any help. Those are the areas of least commercial vakie so they dont get hit as hard. The oaks in general dont need any help. If I too a cleared out portion of ground 10 yards by 10 yards and just let it go, it's going to be 60% little Live Oaks and Water Oaks. What needs help is the longleaf pine. And people have been trying to replant it, the problem they are running into is that the genetics weaken when you plant the same identical tree over and over again (identical genetically).

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Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2024 20:00:58 No.2794773 Report

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>>2792878
Oaks are rare prestige trees where I live, it's almost all pines and maples and beaches and the like (Eastern Ontario) but oaks are so beautiful.

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Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2024 20:33:56 No.2794783 Report

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>>2792878
I am in the UK. A lot has been made of the English Oak in our old folktales and mythology, right back to the pre-Christian days. But since then I should imagine that the oaks have been outbred by ash trees and maples, as well as beeches. Those trees spread their saplings like wildfire, year after year, whereas the majestic oak is more selective. I have been to places where the acorns fall into long-stranded moss and sprout almost always, but those are very specific sub-environments and ones that dare I say are at odds with the requirements of the modern world.

I noticed a while ago that oaks don't seem to fare well near civilisation in general, whereas the aforementioned species will grow anywhere like weeds.

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Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2024 20:59:53 No.2794790 Report

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>>2794773
>>2794783
See that's wild to me because I see it as the opposite, American Beech and Ash would be sort of a rare desirable hardwood whereas most oaks I don't think twice about because they are so common. I consider Water Oak sort of a trash tree they are so common.

Now Live Oak is sort of king of the hardwoods imho but they aren't uncommon and although they are one of the most stunning trees I see so many of them I don't consider them that interesting. Just goes to show how location/region makes all the difference.

Another interesting thing is that I see far more red oaks than white oaks here. Live and Laurel far outnumber red Oak varieties but I understand that in most places it is the opposite. I would be excited to see a Swamp Chestnut Oak or a White Oak, and most people would be excited to see a red Oak variety.

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Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2024 21:02:14 No.2794791 Report

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>>2794790
Sorry I botched up that last bit... What I'm trying to say is that here, red oak varieties are far more numerous and I am more interested to find white oaks. Whereas I understand in many regions it is the opposite aka white oaks outnumber red oaks and red oaks are sort of rare.

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Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2024 21:05:45 No.2794792 Report

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Also I'll drop a few of my favorite oaks. Here is a big stud single stem Live Oak.

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Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2024 21:07:28 No.2794794 Report

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>>2794792
Big multistem Live Oak.

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Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2024 21:09:30 No.2794795 Report

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>>2794794
Big giant Laurel Oak

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Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2024 21:13:02 No.2794796 Report

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>>2794795
Big mature Swamp Chestnut Oak

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Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2024 21:14:33 No.2794797 Report

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>>2794796
Single stem Live Oak with spooky shape

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2024 21:16:06 No.2794798 Report

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>>2792878
>Are oak tree forests really going to be fucked
wait until you learn about chestnut blight, gonna blow your mind
"It killed an estimated four billion trees"

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Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2024 21:24:02 No.2794800 Report

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>>2794797
Big old Post Oak

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Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2024 21:25:54 No.2794801 Report

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>>2794800
Old gnarled live Oaks overhanging a little lane.

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Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2024 21:28:00 No.2794802 Report

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>>2794801
Smaller single stem Live Oak with nice shape.

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Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2024 21:30:24 No.2794803 Report

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>>2794802
Big old Live Oak with an interesting shape

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Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2024 21:35:37 No.2794805 Report

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>>2794803
Big laurel oak in flooded bottom

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Dec 2024 14:00:03 No.2794958 Report

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>>2794798
Don't get me started on that one... it really was the perfect tree.

>>2794805
Nice pics anon, oaks are majestic and beautiful.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2024 15:08:39 No.2795325 Report

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>>2794958
Thanks here's a few more. Mostly big Single Stem Live Oaks

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Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2024 15:09:54 No.2795326 Report

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>>2795325

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Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2024 15:11:13 No.2795327 Report

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>>2795326
Big Southern Red Oak in a longleaf upland.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2024 15:12:25 No.2795328 Report

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>>2795327
Oak forest bordering up against a cotton field

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Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2024 15:13:41 No.2795329 Report

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>>2795328
another big single stem Live Oak

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Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2024 15:14:56 No.2795330 Report

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>>2795329
another

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Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2024 15:16:14 No.2795331 Report

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>>2795330
another big single stem-ish

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Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2024 15:17:22 No.2795332 Report

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>>2795331
Giant multistem Live Oak in its prime

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Anonymous Sun 22 Dec 2024 03:03:17 No.2795630 Report

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>>2793174
>The urban sprawl reduces the grazing land of the deer populations and the loggers are idiots that lie about everything.
so you're saying without the excessive land area for urban sprawl there'd be more open areas like fields meadows for the deer to live in without wandering into forests and killing all the trees and undergrowth? i dont really know a whole lot about the white tailed deer but i know they're a pest in the current state of things but it's not their fault. i'm not sure about the ticks and lyme disease and how deers are the biggest spreaders but human meddling is to blame for that too for sure.

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Anonymous Sun 22 Dec 2024 20:45:13 No.2795770 Report

Quoted By: >>2797165

>no oaks where I am
>just shitty eucalypts
STOP DROPPING YOUR SEEDS AND BRANCHES EVERYWHERE WHY THE FUCK DO YOU INTENTIONALLY EXPLODE IN BUSHFIRES WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU LIKE THIS GOD DAMN I HATE GUM TREES

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Anonymous Sun 29 Dec 2024 16:41:24 No.2797165 Report

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>>2795770
Idk what you call a gum tree exactly but I sort of like gum trees. Like Sweet Gum for example. People consider it a trash tree because it is so common and it drops those balls but the truth is, they are healthy, fast growing, leaf out early, drop late, make pretty fall and winter colors, and will grow to huge sizes, etc.

I also like Black Gum alot. Especially on dry land. beautiful fall color, long 90 degree branches, it holds Spanish Moss, they will grow large, one of the longest lived hardwoods too. Here is a pic of a big giant wetland black gum.

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