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Anonymous Mon 03 Feb 2025 08:32:24 No.2804002 View View Reply Original Report

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>$375 a fucking day to hire someone to teach me how to become a mountaineer

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Feb 2025 08:56:59 No.2804006 Report

Quoted By: >>2804011 >>2804064 >>2804458

>>2804002
You don't need anyone for anything.

Watch youtube videos. Read Freedom of the Hills.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Feb 2025 09:00:06 No.2804007 Report

Quoted By: >>2804008 >>2804012 >>2804675

>>2804002
don't be an autist and go with other people then so it'll be cheaper.
What do you expect, you are asking for a guy to spend all day carrying your unexperienced ass up a mountain while being fully responsible for your safety, of course it's gonna cost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Feb 2025 09:01:59 No.2804008 Report

Quoted By: >>2804011 >>2804047 >>2804449

>>2804007
This is in Mt Washington though. I'd understand if this was some technical peak.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Feb 2025 09:03:01 No.2804009 Report

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>>2804002
blame dick bass

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Feb 2025 09:07:29 No.2804011 Report

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>>2804008
oh, that's pretty steep then yeah. Aren't there local clubs that do group hikes and stuff like that for cheap? That's usually a good way to start out, and after you've built some confidence you can consider going alone like >>2804006 said or maybe you'll have met experienced people willing to advise you for free

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Feb 2025 09:20:21 No.2804012 Report

Quoted By: >>2804014 >>2804020

>>2804007
How the fuck are you supposed to find a group of people who want to learn mountaineering?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 03 Feb 2025 10:10:44 No.2804014 Report

Quoted By: >>2804020 >>2804026 >>2804657

>>2804012
This kek

I once tried to tag along a group of people who were hiking the adirondacks, these were mostly boomers so I assumed they'd be more empathetic, and they told me I didn't have enough experience to hike with them and blocked me. It wasn't a difficult hike either, like a 10 mile loop or something, but they didn't want me in their group. I've hated old people in the outdoors ever since, I would legitimately leave someone to die if I ever see one struggling to get through.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Feb 2025 10:13:56 No.2804015 Report

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>>2804002
I'd rather pay that than have dealt with my PTSD psychopath dad for 17 years, during which I attempted to learn the very same.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Feb 2025 10:16:36 No.2804016 Report

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>>2804002
Anyone know how these guiding services work? So what's the plan exactly, do you go up the mountain and then down? What if you pay for a week? What the fuck do you even learn for a week in Mt Washington? Does he only teach stuff 8 hours each day and then goes back to his tent, or is he teaching you stuff all day until it's time to sleep? how does it even work?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Feb 2025 10:26:43 No.2804020 Report

Quoted By: >>2804021

>>2804012
>>2804014
the internet, niggas.
https://amcnh.org/committees/excursions-hiking-old/
There's bound to be some club near you that'll accept you, and they are mostly an excuse to befriend experienced people willing to teach you

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Feb 2025 10:31:26 No.2804021 Report

Quoted By: >>2804154

>>2804020
Thanks, bro. How do find these places? I'm in NJ.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Feb 2025 11:37:30 No.2804026 Report

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>>2804014
Damn that’s fucked up. I ran a MeetUp group and 10 miles was the absolute limit for beginners. They didn’t need any experience, they just couldn’t be morbidly obese or some kind of psycho.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Feb 2025 13:41:28 No.2804047 Report

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>>2804002
>>2804008
>Mt Washington

No wonder. Pretty much anything in New England, from guided mountain services to skiing to lodging cater to white-collar yuppies from Boston with above-average salaries and tons of disposable income.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Feb 2025 14:30:36 No.2804052 Report

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>>2804002
That's $75 for the class and $300 to put up with people who need a class.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Feb 2025 15:17:49 No.2804064 Report

Quoted By: >>2804114 >>2804115

>>2804006
Freedom of the Hills is a technical manual. You don't read it like you would a normal story.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Feb 2025 19:02:23 No.2804114 Report

Quoted By: >>2805079

>>2804064
How do you read it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Feb 2025 19:04:35 No.2804115 Report

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>>2804064
Good thing I didn't say read it like a story book.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Feb 2025 20:55:00 No.2804135 Report

Quoted By: >>2804147 >>2804155

>>2804002
The reality is that if you have no friends or a group you are not going to be able to do any kind of _real_ mountaineering. You simply won't. It's highly dangerous to ice climb solo, you're basically asking to die. Even just walking near avalanche areas alone is a surefire way of never being found again if something goes wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Feb 2025 21:24:56 No.2804147 Report

Quoted By: >>2804150

>>2804135
I know the movie The Alpinist and he'd do it solo, why can't OP do it solo too?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Feb 2025 21:31:57 No.2804150 Report

Quoted By: >>2804155 >>2804186

>>2804147
>Born on October 10, 1992, Leclerc was a free-spirited climber who died in an avalanche in Alaska in 2018 at the age of 25.
Thanks for proving my point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Feb 2025 21:36:31 No.2804154 Report

Quoted By: >>2804197

>>2804021
>I'm in NJ
They left you behind because they likely didn't like you, nor did they want some bum trying to tag along and listen into their conversations.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Feb 2025 21:40:18 No.2804155 Report

Quoted By: >>2804158

>>2804135
Yes you can.

>It's highly dangerous to ice climb solo,

It's highly dangerous to lead ice climb at all.

>Even just walking near avalanche areas alone

Learn to understand avalanche terrain and the current snow conditions in the area you are traveling.

>>2804150
He died in an avalanche while climbing with a partner in winter. The lesson here is don't climb steep faces in winter, not don't climb solo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Feb 2025 21:44:49 No.2804158 Report

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>>2804155
Whatever man, you're likelihood of fatal situations is far greater solo than with even a partner let alone a normal group. Something that can be treated and dealt with as a group can be life threatening solo if you're far into a mountaineering expedition.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Feb 2025 23:46:11 No.2804186 Report

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>>2804150
Tons of people climb solo during winter, just don't climb steep walls and you'll be find, you can still go up mountains and not die.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Feb 2025 01:24:35 No.2804197 Report

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>>2804154
It was literally a public facebook group of people making a group to go hiking.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Feb 2025 22:23:17 No.2804392 Report

Quoted By: >>2804453

>>2804002
Don't listen to the clueless slobbering imbeciles, technical progression and ice are no jokes.
Always play it safe, you come out good of 100% of the accidents you don't end in by avoiding the situation in advance.
Learning mountaineering on your own is suicidal, I recommend you find someone experienced, befriend them and have them show you the ropes so you can move on from that. Or stick to low-risk activities.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2025 06:29:37 No.2804448 Report

Quoted By: >>2804451 >>2804456

>>2804002
>Find mountain
>Get to the top
Congratulations you're a mountaineer. You think the pioneers of mountaineering took classes?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2025 06:35:18 No.2804449 Report

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>>2804008
Do you even need crampons or an ice axe for that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2025 06:40:28 No.2804451 Report

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>>2804448
They also died a lot

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2025 07:13:46 No.2804453 Report

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>>2804392
>Learning mountaineering on your own is suicidal

No it isn't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2025 08:15:42 No.2804456 Report

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>>2804448
Men back there just were a lot tougher, you can't compare us with them, anon, it's not fair, it really isn't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2025 08:25:09 No.2804458 Report

Quoted By: >>2804459 >>2804509

>>2804002
Be young, reliable, and competent

Do>>2804006 and make sure you have that entire book memorized because it’s all basic information you need despite being 700 pages

Do knot work at home

Then get a topo and a buddy and plan a route.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2025 08:29:41 No.2804459 Report

Quoted By: >>2804509

>>2804458
Start small, some easy, short day piece with a steep place you can practice all those things you memorized in freedom of the hills.

Practice with your buddy as long as possible.
Then start working your way up to more difficult pieces.

Also make sure to watch cornice breakaway videos so you understand mountaineering can be a literal dice roll.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2025 15:13:44 No.2804488 Report

Quoted By: >>2804511

There is only one person on /out/ that actually has shown proof of summiting during winter adn he's some anime weirdo. The rest are just larpers

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2025 19:14:47 No.2804509 Report

Quoted By: >>2804517

>>2804458
>>2804459
This guy gets it.
Dave Mac in GB lays out the route on youtube.
Learn to walk in the hills. Map, compass, what a ridge is. You work out the rest.
Put your foot on a rock. Can you climb down from that rock or move sideways to safer ground if not? Think about it. Keep doing that safely, until it's not safe then come down.
Learn to do that properly, then on the day you're run out and it's going wrong you won't be soloing for the first time.
Then learn ropes and gear. The rest is just higher/less holds/steeper/colder/hurr what is ice screw etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2025 19:54:30 No.2804511 Report

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>>2804488
It's an anime website, dilate you stupid nigger.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Feb 2025 20:44:20 No.2804517 Report

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>>2804509
Stop talking out of your ass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Feb 2025 08:38:45 No.2804615 Report

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>>2804002
that's actually pretty cheap when you understand self-employed people pay a tax rate of about 50%

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Feb 2025 16:00:14 No.2804657 Report

Quoted By: >>2805163

>>2804014
Here’s how you take revenge (and it’s not illegal):

>join their online group
>fake some pictures of you on grand adventures (I guess you could go in a real one but it’s not necessary)
>lie about your level of experience
>find a big van and take a selfie next to it
>tell them you have access to it (it belongs to your brother or something)
>have them plan a big trip, far out of town
>volunteer to drive everyone as long as they chip in for gas
>plan to meet at someone’s house
>when they call to see where you are, keep telling them your on your way
This happened to my group, but it was just a crazy person, not a crazy act of revenge. He didn’t say he was on his way though. The morning of the trip, he said he had to drive 12 hours away to another state.

When they ask why you didn’t show up:
>because fuck you, that’s why!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Feb 2025 19:48:13 No.2804675 Report

Quoted By: >>2804699 >>2804702 >>2804811

>>2804007
This is only good advice if the OP goes with competent climbers who know what they're doing.

Don't go with inexperienced people because they'll be a safety liability.

Don't go with fat people because they'll slow you down when time is critical.

Don't go with quitters who have ever turned around on a mountain because they might do the same with you.

Don't go with whiners because they will drag you down when your spirits need to be elevated.

Otherwise go with a guide who will teach you how to climb safely. The skills you learn will serve you on future trips.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Feb 2025 20:44:32 No.2804699 Report

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>>2804675
>Don't go with quitters who have ever turned around on a mountain because they might do the same with you.

lmao. Clearly you don't climb mountains.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 06 Feb 2025 20:57:14 No.2804702 Report

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>>2804675
Knowing when to turn around is the single most important skill to learn as a hiker.
You aren't going to be the next green boots when you die in the Whites, you just put a bunch of volunteer rescue workers in an incredible amount of risk to recover your body. If I die up there, I hope they leave me be until spring, no sense in risking more lives.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2025 14:20:01 No.2804811 Report

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>>2804675
>Don't go with quitters who have ever turned around on a mountain because - ACKKKKK!
Every alive mountaineer including Reinhold Messner has done that anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Feb 2025 02:50:41 No.2805079 Report

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>>2804114
With your eyes

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Feb 2025 10:36:45 No.2805163 Report

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>>2804657
>When they ask why you didn’t show up:
"Sorry, you guys just didn't have enough experience for me."

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 09 Feb 2025 19:11:14 No.2805264 Report

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>>2804002
thats a pretty good price, considering a guide who took probably tens of thousands of dollars in certifications and year's honing his skills just to become amga certified to walk your retarded ass up mount washington and give you solid advice to any of your questions. In contrast, I have been forever stubborn and refused to get a guide, a class, or even pass a belay test just so I can figure it all out myself through experimentation and constant reading. Problem is that going that path took me 4-5 years to feel relatively competent, with guide instruction I could have probably felt better in less than 2

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