>>2855928you never need a winch, the whole purpose of 4x4'ing, lift, lockers, tires etc is to never need the winch. and most of the time we dont need it, because we are kitted out well enough. but in the rare times you do get stuck so bad you need it and then its a life saver. you should be driving atleast two in such settings and pulling each other out is better than winching. i got a warn 8000 with brackets ready to put in my jeep, but i dont feel the need for lt? i yank out cars from the ditch regulary with said jeep, my daily driver land rover or my awd transit. i never really need a winch to save my own ass.