>>297436I didn't redefine anything. He meant to say groundsheet, so I corrected him.
>then cited some ultralite groundsheet just to make your pointWell what the hell is wrong with citing evidence to prove a point? It's better than making shit up to prove your point.
I should say, however, that I misspoke. The Gossamer Gear groundcloths don't weight the "4 or 5" ounces that I thought. They're actually more like 1.5 ounces.
>http://gossamergear.com/shelters/shelter-accessories/polycryo-ground-cloth-medium.htmlI don't know what comes to mind when you think of tarps either, but I have a fairly large, substantial tarp made by Mountain Laurel Designs, called the Duomid, and it weighs approximately 20 ounces (0.56 kg) including the stakes and groundsheet. I use one of my trekking poles as the support structure, which I would be carrying regardless of whether I used a tent, tarp, or hammock. You might be able to find a tent that weighs less than my set-up, including stakes and guylines (although I am skeptical), but I seriously doubt that you would be able to find a tent as big as my tarp, in terms of area (8.5 ft. long x 5 ft. wide) or headroom (5 ft. tall) that weighs even three times as much as mine.
As for your <1 kg tent, let's see it on a scale with all the guylines and stakes included. Outdoor gear manufacturers are famous for what is essentially lying about the weight of their gear. That tent may be 1 kg... if you don't include any of the stakes, guylines, or the inner tent, or something else that's required for the set-up. If you claim to have a 1 kg tent, then I'll believe it when I see it. I'm aware of Big Agnes' ultralight tents, but those are small, solo tents that you can't sit up in. I don't want to make it sound like I'm moving any goalposts, but if you'r going to compare a tent like that to a tarp, then you need to look at a smaller tarp, which is going to be much lighter.
