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Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 13:22:36 No.307759 View View Reply Original Report

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Hydration thread.

After coming off a 25km hike yesterday with literally nothing on my mind other than water since I burnt through 2L and then developed a horrendous thirst, what do you carry for hydration?

>inb4 use a stream OP
There was none, nothing I'd have trusted anyway, all grimy/ slow flowing/ stagnant water.

I now realize why Eberlestock and Kifaru include more than one hydration compartment on their rucks.

I normally carry a 3L Camelbak and a litre bottle of water, yesterday I had a 2L Camelbak and forgot the Nalgene like an idiot. Why they include a 2L Camelbak with the Linchpin I will never ever know. Jesus.

Lesson learnt. I need like 4L for a day hike.

Anyway, show me your hydration systems...

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 13:29:11 No.307761 Report

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>>307759
I use a 3l platypus big zip and filter water with an mar mini works ex. I have made some disgusting water clean with it.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 14:19:49 No.307782 Report

Quoted By: >>307786

Almost the same happened to me one. I'm going with a 2.5 l water bladder and a 2 l canteen (pic related) in the pack and a 1 l canteen on the body nowadays. (On multi-day trips. Otherwise, it's just the 2l over my shoulder)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 14:34:08 No.307786 Report

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>>307782
I felt like an idiot to be honest, but if push come to shove I could have gone off course to find some water I guess.

Any reason for the canteen or just personal preference? Not against milsurp, got a shitload of the stuff myself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 14:49:33 No.307791 Report

Quoted By: >>307853

I feel kinda archaic for it, but I have a 1 quart canteen w/holder mounted on the waist strap of my bag. I then carry three additional one quart bottles in my bag (filled before leaving). I usually stay out 2 to 3 days, so 4 quarts tends to be enough for me.

I also have water purification tablets, a water filter and the means to boil if something goes really wrong or I'm just hella thirsty.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 14:50:23 No.307793 Report

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>>307786
It's cheap, but most importantly I can sling it over the shoulder for <15 km hikes where I'm not carrying anything besides water and a map anyways. The bladder would force me to buy a small hydration pack just to carry it around.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 14:51:42 No.307794 Report

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>>307793
That's fair enough, I've always carried a pack out of habit but, a canteen would be something I'd look into, I like the squareness of them, easy to pack around

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Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 16:14:31 No.307808 Report

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Make sure you're rocking something like a 3:1 Water:Electrolyte drink ratio. If you pound four liters of water while exerting yourself you'll probably feel far worse than if you just didn't drink that extra water.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 16:17:19 No.307810 Report

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hiking

What are you? A faggot?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 16:23:01 No.307812 Report

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camelbak 3L and a 1L nalgene or a 1.5L gatorade is my usual

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 16:36:13 No.307820 Report

Quoted By: >>307829

How's hiking being a faggot?
This being an /out/ board and all...

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 16:57:21 No.307829 Report

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>>307759
>There was none,
>nothing I'd have trusted anyway, all grimy/ slow flowing/ stagnant water.
So there WAS a stream. If you'd used a filter, you could have drunk even stagnant pond water .

>I need like 4L for a day hike.
I have found that my water requirements vary greatly depending on how hot it is outside, and this sort of thing can also vary person-to-person. If you insist on not carrying a filter, then you should always have plenty of *extra* water. If you think you need 4 liters for 25 km, then carry 5 liters. If it's a day hike, then your pack should be pretty light anyway, and this shouldn't be too much extra weight.

>>307820
>being this insecure

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 17:41:04 No.307841 Report

Quoted By: >>308244

>>307829
I didn't have a filter with me at the time, my fault I guess. To be honest I wasn't at the point where I NEEDED water, just would have been nice to have some.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 18:51:53 No.307853 Report

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>>307791
A gallon of water for 2-3 days?? Buddy, where I live that is called suicide. (Based Arizona)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 19:21:03 No.307866 Report

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>>307853
Same here. West Texas.

When I have the luxury to do so, I bring a canteen with saddle blanket sides. Get them damp and your water stays cool.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 20:03:03 No.307886 Report

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>>307759

i have a horse companion that i tap for blood occasionally.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Apr 2014 20:12:26 No.307891 Report

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>>307759
I just carry 2 nalgenes and maybe an msr dromedary if I'm going to be away from filterable water.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Apr 2014 19:29:53 No.308241 Report

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>>307759
I run a 1L stee; bottle and a 3L camelbak in an insulated sleeve that I rigged w/ paracord to be an effective sling.
for day hikes, or a lil scouting mission outa basecamp I'll stuff the sleeve w/ a protein/candy bar, a lighter, maybe some ganja (and papers or my lil wooden pipe) or a flask of whiskey.
i'll generally wrap an extra layer (like a jacket or something) around the outside of the sling/sleeve.

i carry water tablets or a steri-pen, and i can boil later outa the steel canteen but my usual /out/ partner has a katadyn

>>307886
woah, rugged.

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Anonymous Sat 26 Apr 2014 19:35:01 No.308242 Report

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>>307866
Arkansas bro here, when it gets hot, humid, and dusty, I do the same thing. people under appreciate dat pioneer gear.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Apr 2014 19:43:06 No.308244 Report

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>>307841
Filters are expensive. If you want the bare minimum, then just bring some aqua mira or other purification tablets. Chemical treatment can't make stagnant water taste like roses, but as long as you get the tadpoles out of it (use a bandana or something), and select a more clear section of the pond to get water from, it should be safe to drink after purification. Even puddle water can be a pretty decent water source if you know how to get at it (use your bandana or a camp chamois like a sponge). In other words, there might be a financial barrier to owning a nice filter, but chemical treatment tablets or drops are like $10 for a package. On a 25km day hike, you shouldn't be using more than a few anyway, so you'd have plenty left over for the many more hikes as well.

Necromancer

Necromancer Sat 26 Apr 2014 19:49:26 No.308247 Report

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>>307759

3L Hydration Bladder from Osprey but will be switching to a Camelbak Antidote 3L because the Osprey leaks pretty easy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Apr 2014 20:09:34 No.308257 Report

Quoted By: >>308265

>>307759
If I'm hauling a lot in my pack (e.g. backpacking trip), I usually have my 2 qt. Camelbak (1 qt =~1L for you peoples who have given up the shitty Imperial system) for during the hike and a 1 qt. Nalgene for when I set up camp. if I'm just going on a day hike, though, I dig out my ancient Walmart backpack mom gave me as a kid, load it up with 2-4 1 qt. Nalgenes and some homemade trail mix, and git hikin'. I'm considering an upgrade though, walking down the trail with a floppy thing hanging off your back like a jungle-woman's tit and all those bottles clunking around in it gets annoying sometimes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Apr 2014 20:16:56 No.308265 Report

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>>308244
Aqua Mira is GOAT. Brb light, brb cheap, brb no taste, brb not sitting around pumping water when you get thirsty.

>>308257
Same here pretty much, although I normally do 2 nalgenes when backpacking. Something a little stouter for day hikes would be good for sure. My dad has a real nice Gregory Z30 that would be just about right...time to go browse REI outlet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Apr 2014 23:40:48 No.308388 Report

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Camelbak omega 3.0l. Fits nicely in my osprey Mutant 28 for long walk ins and days at the crag.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Apr 2014 00:55:51 No.308408 Report

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I sweat like a pig (I'm a Finn, duh) and consume A LOT of water.

For 25km I'd need at least 4-5 liters. In the military during hot summer days when we busted our asses of in NBC gear I consumed around 10 liters a day.

Source 3l waterpack and water bottles. Also some salt to keep the water in.

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Anonymous Thu 01 May 2014 02:21:54 No.310319 Report

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I have one of pic related. It's 3L, and sometimes I hook up a hydration hose. Additionally, I carry a 1L bottle.

If it's a short hike, I can use the extra weight anyhow for practice, even if there's no remote chance it'll all get used. If it's long, I don't regret having it. If it's a group hike, I'll often add at least another liter to this. It seems there's usually someone along who underestimates their usage.

Overnight generally means some kind of purification. Steri-pen is my favorite for ease of use, but I carry something for backup. The steri-pen plus iodine is easily light enough for even day hiking.

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Anonymous Sun 04 May 2014 20:48:21 No.312213 Report

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>>307759
I think you drink too much. I was hiking 35 km in 6 hours and was fine with 2 litre of water. Temperature was about 33°C in summer.
>pic related

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 May 2014 21:18:29 No.312254 Report

Quoted By: >>312842

You are not supposed to gulp down 2 liters, take small sips. That is why you developed a thirst. Gulping, makes your body think you are standing next to a big supply of water, therefore your body thinks it might as well take some reserves. There's actually techniques to drinking, look it up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 May 2014 23:49:27 No.312842 Report

Quoted By: >>312866

>>307759
>>312254
i mix my water with a bit of lemon juice to keep thirst at bay. in reality your body needs a lot less water than you think it does, or less than it needs to get by.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 May 2014 00:45:37 No.312866 Report

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>>312842
eh. 'more than you need' wont hurt you. Less than you need can effect your cognitive function, not to mention put a strain on your organs and make you look/feel like shit... So err on the side of 'more' rather than 'less'... I mean as long as you're not downing 2+ gallons in a day, you should be fine, albeit need to piss a lot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 May 2014 01:23:34 No.312883 Report

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what do you guys do when your water loses its chill? drink hot water?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 May 2014 01:24:15 No.312884 Report

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>>312866
>eh. 'more than you need' wont hurt you
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 May 2014 01:51:40 No.312903 Report

Quoted By: >>313292 >>313412

>>312866
Depends what you are doing.
high altitude alpinism requires about 7-10 litres per 24 hours.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 May 2014 13:42:01 No.313095 Report

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Depends. Day hike usually 2l drom bladder and a bottle. Longer 6lt drom, probably 5lt in it. Cycling, 3lt camelbak.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 May 2014 23:28:20 No.313292 Report

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>>312866
>>312903
well backpacking limits the amount of water you can carry. im not saying you can make 2L last a week comfortably, but you can feel thirsty and not have to gorge on water without feeling as if youre denying your body oxygen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 May 2014 01:23:13 No.313326 Report

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>>307759
I use a3 liter camelbak and 3 1 liter military canteens

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 May 2014 05:51:38 No.313412 Report

Quoted By: >>313445 >>313517 >>313791

>>307759
>>312903
Did a 9 mile in alpine environment on sunday.Used about 1.25-1.5L of water. What the fuck is wrong with you guys? Are you like super sweaty Italians or something???? Needing more than 2L of water a day says you shouldn't be in the fucking wilderness. Oh, btw, carrying atleast 60lbs of gear doin about 1.5-2 mph bushwacking.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 May 2014 07:40:42 No.313445 Report

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>>313412
If the person is low on salt, it doesn't matter how much they drink; it will just be pissed out 30 minutes later. You need dem electrolytes, yo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 May 2014 08:06:29 No.313454 Report

Quoted By: >>313511

I once had to come back in the first day of a week long camp because the river was literally gone. There was no water anywhere for like 3k. Australia during a drought is scary, you just can't carry enough water.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 May 2014 13:40:23 No.313511 Report

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>>313454

Yeah I check the rainfall for the surrounding basin to get an idea how the water will be.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 May 2014 13:47:39 No.313517 Report

Quoted By: >>313791 >>313822

>>313412
My first question is how were you bushwhacking in Alpine terrain?

Either way, I agree with your take on things vs. his, 7-10L a day is huge, that's literally ~2 gallons of water, which'll take you so long to boil from snow/ice in the alpine conditions that you'll die of the wait.

Most sources I can find say something like 3-4 quarts (roughly the same as liters) per day, and yes these are sources discussing alpine climbing, not day hiking.

Still though, please explain where you found bushes to whack above the tree line......

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 May 2014 23:50:22 No.313759 Report

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I mix my water with a tablespoon of chia seeds and a pinch of sea salt, I'm out here hiking in the mountains of arizona off like 1.5 L a day. Some days I just do a camel day though, chill by the creek, drink 2 gallons or so and then I'm good for a while.

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Anonymous Thu 08 May 2014 01:11:18 No.313791 Report

Quoted By: >>313792 >>313795

>>313412
>>313517

From Mark Twight-Extreme Alpinism

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 May 2014 01:14:01 No.313792 Report

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>>313791

Well... Fuck.

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Anonymous Thu 08 May 2014 01:20:52 No.313795 Report

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>>313791
2/2

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 May 2014 01:29:31 No.313797 Report

Quoted By: >>313800 >>313803

>>307759
I've become a bit of a desert rat in recent years. This has caused me to strip out a lot of other weight to make room for more H2O.

In my 2-night desert pack I carry a 3L bladder, a 4L MSR "Dromedary bag, a 1L Nalgene, and a 27?oz Kleen Kanteen.

I sweat a lot. I am hard to overheat in dry climates but I am definitely "liquid cooled" and can go through a lot of water. So I carry a lot of water, unless I'm somewhere like the Cascades or Smokies where there are plenty of creeks and streams.

No matter the terrain, I always have a water-filter straw with me for emergency creekside/puddle hydration, and I can boil water in the Kleen Kanteen in a pinch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 May 2014 01:31:36 No.313800 Report

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>>313797
>In my 2-night desert pack I carry a 3L bladder, a 4L MSR "Dromedary bag, a 1L Nalgene, and a 27?oz Kleen Kanteen.

I should note that I easily plow through that 8+ liters on a 2-night trip and have to resupply at any given opportunity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 May 2014 01:36:47 No.313803 Report

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>>313797
And I know your vegan friends say "Well we get plenty of salt in our balanced diet" but don't forget to bring salty snacks! Hyponatremia is a REAL RISK that can kill you.

At the end of a long sweaty hike, my clothes are starched stiff with salt. I gotta replace it or I start getting woozy! Bring salty snacks and consider eating some potassium chloride (sold in grocery stores as a salt substitute) a day or two before your trip.

Symptoms of hyponatremia (low salt) include things that you may have experienced while or after hiking: confusion, restlessness, nausea, loss of appetite, lethargy. None of which you want to deal with in the back country! Save the diets for home and pass the goddamn beef jerky.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 May 2014 02:45:41 No.313822 Report

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>>313517
Well since i wasnt dropped off by helicopter.......I had to get to the alpine area somehow (yah know, like goin through bush-like material.)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 May 2014 06:08:31 No.313867 Report

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>>307808

>You'll probably feel far worse

FOR YOU

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 May 2014 07:29:04 No.313883 Report

Quoted By: >>313893 >>314224

>>307759
How do I into water rationing?
Every time I'm /out/ I drink a fuckton of water then get thirsty as fuck because I'm not back yet.

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Anonymous Thu 08 May 2014 08:53:53 No.313893 Report

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>>313883

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Anonymous Thu 08 May 2014 18:20:57 No.314032 Report

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>>313893
If only I pissed as much Mountain Dew as I drink and it came out cold

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Anonymous Fri 09 May 2014 06:45:16 No.314224 Report

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>>313883
I guess you could say you're...
/out/ of water.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 May 2014 08:25:49 No.314239 Report

Quoted By: >>314244

In what climate are you hiking?

I wonder about the fanatism behind hydration nowadays. It is bordering on religion, some people can not be seen two minutes without taking a swig out of their bottles.

Yes, drinking water is important. Many old people do not drink enough.

But if you are not in a desert I can't see how you walk 25km, drink 2 litres of water and develop a horrendous thirst while doing that. This seems more of a psychological issue. I usually run. Even when running 10km (5km of that uphill) I may be thirsty in the end, but I do not drink all the time while running and would not describe it as horrendous.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 May 2014 08:45:03 No.314244 Report

Quoted By: >>314259

>>314239

In hot climates, especially when moving a lot, you have to drink about 2 dl every 15 minutes to avoid dehydration on the long run.

In that respect, two liters for 25 km in desert in a reasonable amount.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 May 2014 10:29:28 No.314259 Report

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>>314244

No shit...

that is the reason why I asked in what climate he lives and hikes...

Or, more broadly spoken, i what climates many people live that feel so much need to drink all the time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 May 2014 07:04:13 No.314586 Report

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I wonder if I have some disorder because I drink a lot of water. I feel weird if I don't and I go out of my way to get it. Even in winter I'm thirsty. So my thirst is substantial when in the hot summer sun.

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