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Homegrowmen (Farming and Gardening) Thread #16

Anonymous Wed 18 Jun 2014 15:15:42 No.334941 View View Reply Original Report

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Anonymous Wed 18 Jun 2014 15:15:56 No.334943 Report

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US Farm Income and Taxes,
http://www.hobbyfarms.com/farm-marketing-and-management/farm-income-taxes-14991.aspx

US Grants and Loans for Small Farms,
http://www.usda.gov/wps/portal/usda/usdahome?navid=GRANTS_LOANS
http://afsic.nal.usda.gov/farms-and-community/grants-and-loans-farmers
http://www.nal.usda.gov/afsic/pubs/funding.shtml

Managing Risks on Your Small Farm,
http://agmarketing.extension.psu.edu/begfrmrs/MangRiskSmllFrm.pdf

Chicken info and forum,
http://www.backyardchickens.com

Rabbit guide
http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/7884798/Rabbit_Production_Manual

A public access seedbank for many types of rare or endangered plants; both edible and ornamental,
http://www.jlhudsonseeds.net/index.htm

Organic and heirloom selections:
http://sustainableseedco.com/
http://www.seedsofchange.com/

Potato, Sweet Potato, and Tubers seed bank (free, but requies filling out forms and waiting in line):
http://www.cipotato.org/

Awesome interactive plant/gardening maps for USA, Canada, France, UK, BC, (frost dates, temp zones, etc):
http://www.plantmaps.com/index.php

Sprout seeds and info:
sproutpeople.org

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Jun 2014 17:56:30 No.335015 Report

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>>334881
Get tobacco seeds. Plant. Grow. It's big and leafy. I don't know,but have heard reports contact with wet leaves can poison you or something. Anyways, be careful and do your research.

When it's fully grown or whatever, you pull the plant, and hang it, or it's leaves or some shit, from the ceiling out of the direct sunlight in a warm area for them to dry out. Then you just smash it up and smoke it.

It varies by country, but where I live I can grow up to 15kg per person in the household per year, which is the equivalent of over 13000 cigarettes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Jun 2014 19:08:00 No.335062 Report

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>>335015
>I don't know,but have heard reports contact with wet leaves can poison you or something.
"When wet leaves are handled, nicotine from the leaves gets absorbed in the skin and causes nausea, vomiting and dizziness."

So I guess wear gloves when handling the plant. Probably won't be a problem if you're not growing commercially, but it's easy enough to be safe and wear gloves.

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Anonymous Wed 18 Jun 2014 19:54:35 No.335081 Report

Quoted By: >>335082 >>335151 >>335530 >>342431

These guys have been sprouting up in my raised beds, any ideas what they are?

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Anonymous Wed 18 Jun 2014 19:56:25 No.335082 Report

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>>335081
Here's another pic of what I assume is the same thing just in a later stage

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Jun 2014 20:01:40 No.335086 Report

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anyone have some insight on this?
>>334980
any help would be areciated

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Jun 2014 20:22:09 No.335093 Report

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>>335082
It's perslane. It's food. Eat it.

And no, that first plant IS NOT the same plant. I don't know what it is, but it's not perslane.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Jun 2014 20:31:06 No.335095 Report

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>>335093
Oh wow thanks for letting me know! I thought it was some funky weed lol I'm glad I didn't pull it up

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Jun 2014 22:49:29 No.335151 Report

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>>335082
thats purslane, tasty and has pretty good amounts of omega 3s which is rare for plants
theyre high in other vitamins and minerals aswell so eat it up
>>335081
the rosette in this one kind of reminds me of a wild mustard or radish but im not sure what it is
do the flowers have 4 petals?
all types of mustards are edible so if it is you're good

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Jun 2014 22:51:07 No.335153 Report

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>>335086
older plants will do that losing leaves sometimes, it could also be a nutrient defiency
nothing a little compost/manure and or compost tea wouldnt fix if that is the problem
i dont think its a watering problem

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Jun 2014 22:56:35 No.335157 Report

Quoted By: >>335158 >>335161 >>335164

>>335153
thanks for the reply its a fairly new plant so im guessing its a deficiency
what would you suggest i throw in with it to help that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Jun 2014 22:59:10 No.335158 Report

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>>335157
some compost and manure, just dont use too much manure it will cause excessive leaf growth and poor fruit set

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Jun 2014 23:05:14 No.335161 Report

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>>335157
also could maybe be a kind of blight like tomatoes? not really sure if strawberries get that though
if that is the case you can just chop off the affected leaves, it looks like the only ones that have it on your plant are older ones on the outside so new leaves will just replace them anyways
just dont chop at the crown or it will probably kill the plant

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Jun 2014 23:14:47 No.335164 Report

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>>335157
oh yea if it is a blight then giving it compost/manure will help too, the stronger the plant is the easier it can fight off disease
kind of like with humans and immune systems, they work best when our bodies have the proper nutrients

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Jun 2014 23:23:51 No.335171 Report

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>>335161
so cut the afflicted clumps of leave off? 2 groups are bad and one just has a few tiny spots

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jun 2014 02:02:00 No.335227 Report

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>>335171
yeah if its blight or something like that causing it then removing the afflicted leaves will fix it
a bit of compost afterwards never hurts either

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jun 2014 02:15:30 No.335236 Report

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>>335227
cut off the 2 worst ones ( theres one left that has 2 tiny splotches on it ) and if it gets worse il remove more
dont have any compost ect but i threw some worm shit and worms in with it im hoping that may help

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jun 2014 04:03:04 No.335298 Report

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>>335236
Blight is a fungal infection.

Mix a teaspoon (or a tablespoon, or whatever, if you're worried try a tea, and if it doesn't work a table) of baking soda in a quart (or whatever) of water. Add as much vegetable oil as baking soda if you want.

Mix this up thoroughly and spray all over the plant, tops and bottoms of leaves, stems, and the dirt around the plant.

This essentially creates a mildly alkaline environment on the surfaces where the fungus grows, and it's spores want to propagate. This has the effect of preventing the spread of, and sometimes killing off the fungus

This works on pretty much all fungal infections of your plants, and is a good go-to solution for these problems.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jun 2014 06:07:50 No.335360 Report

Quoted By: >>335489 >>335490

>>335095
Be careful with purslane. It will choke out everything in your state if left unfettered. I don't personally care for it, but I keep some to throw in the chicken coop every once in a while. The girls enjoy it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jun 2014 06:23:30 No.335369 Report

Quoted By: >>335489 >>335631

>>335009
Not too big, about a third of a cubic yard. I usually keep tyvek over the top, and that helps, but we're 95F and 9.5% RH here. The water goes away fast.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jun 2014 14:38:08 No.335489 Report

Quoted By: >>335531 >>335631

>>335369
>tfw getting 90% rh here in florida right now
feelsbadman
>>335360
it wont even grow here for some reason it sucks, try try again i guess
>>335298
be careful spreading anything that changes soil ph, some plants wont enjoy it like blueberries and azaleas

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jun 2014 14:43:14 No.335490 Report

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>>335360
purslane is good though, makes a nice pesto and you can pickle the stems or just eat the plant raw
its high in omega 3s and vitamin a aswell as many other vitamins/minerals/antioxidants

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jun 2014 16:00:54 No.335530 Report

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>>335081
It looks like a caltrop, Kallstroemia genus. If it is you are going to want to pull it up or face having goatheads all over the fucking place.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jun 2014 16:02:16 No.335531 Report

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>>335489
>tfw getting 90% rh here in florida right now

It's been 95-98F and 85-95% humidity here all week. You can't sweat enough to cool off because it doesn't evaporate. Luckily, it rained a huge amount last night and cooled things off to sleep easy. The plants in my garden grew like 2 feet for the vines and others doubled in size.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jun 2014 20:25:30 No.335631 Report

Quoted By: >>335702

>>335369
The minimum suggestion for a compost pile is a cubic yard.
>>335489
It's such a weak solution it will have essentially no effect on soil pH, and even that effect will be nullified by rains, and so on. If that is your concern, however, you can use vinegar to similar effect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jun 2014 22:41:44 No.335658 Report

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Does anyone here know about composting? How can I get started doing it? And should I bother?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Jun 2014 00:33:53 No.335702 Report

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>>335631
>The minimum suggestion for a compost pile is a cubic yard.
My dogs don't poop that much. Thankfully. It's not a serious effort, just a place to keep dog poop to rot so I can spread it on my front lawn. I'm busy enough to not want to spend time being serious about having a couple of big bins and put extra effort into it.

And now something (spaghetti squash, I think) is growing out of the pile. Not sure if I should eat the produce or not. I've heard things about contaminants in dog poo that make me leery. I've also heard people poo-poo the poo-poo problem, but I'm in the better safe than sorry camp.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Jun 2014 01:15:25 No.335720 Report

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>>335658
Yes.
Instead of throwing out organic wastes, toss them in a pile.
Absolutely. Compost is the absolutely best thing you can add to any soil to improve it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Jun 2014 01:17:24 No.335722 Report

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>>335702
You have more waste than dog poop. You claim to have a lawn. Grass clippings are good for composting. As long as the produce is not touching dog poo, it's perfectly fine. Even if it is, it's probably fine after being washed off. More importantly, you're not amusing, stop trying to be.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Jun 2014 02:14:41 No.335780 Report

Quoted By: >>335800 >>335823 >>335861

>>335720
Do I need to build a box around the pile? Do I need to stir the pile? How long until I can use compost from the pile?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Jun 2014 02:38:44 No.335800 Report

Quoted By: >>335825 >>335837

>>335780
>Do I need to build a box around the pile?

No, it is only for your own ease of use or tidiness.

>Do I need to stir the pile?

Not really. You'd only need to if some stuff on top was lifted up in a way that prevented it from getting wet enough to decompose with the rest.

>How long until I can use compost from the pile?

There's too many factors here for a correct answer. At the very least, 1 year. At the very most, 3 years.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Jun 2014 04:57:08 No.335823 Report

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>>335780
i just start a pile of halfway broken down leaves mixed with some greens like grass clippings/food scraps/plant clippings etc
turning once every week or 2 helps aerate the pile but its not necessary as long as the pile gets hot and has proper brown/green ratio of waste
i till the compost into the natural sand here aswell as some manure and that gives the plants all the nutrients they need and i dont have to pay for anything
plus you recycle your waste instead of sending it to a dump and its a lot better for you than using chemicals

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Jun 2014 04:59:02 No.335825 Report

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>>335800
>1 year
ive used it after a few weeks to a month of starting the pile
the pile stays relatively hot and moist with all the humidity and rain and heat and what not that i get here

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Jun 2014 05:09:51 No.335837 Report

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>>335800
oh yeah also meant to include i get shit tons of black soldier fly larvae here in my compost every summer naturally and they break down food scraps really fast

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Jun 2014 05:53:05 No.335861 Report

Quoted By: >>335937 >>335940

>>335780
>Do I need to build a box around the pile?

No, but it will help contain it, protect it from any possible animals, and insulate it.

>Do I need to stir the pile?

No, but stirring it once every 1-3 weeks will aerate it, which, provided you have adequate moisture, a good carbon:nitrogen ratio, and enough bulk, will induce hot composting, which is faster, less smelly, and will destroy fungal spores and weed seeds.

>How long until I can use compost from the pile?

If you keep a good hot compost pile, smaller debris (obviously not sticks and the like) will break down in as little as a couple months. If you just pile whatever random shit in a heap and wait, it may take as long as many years, and that's for small stuff. Piles of branches and that can sit around for decades without decaying appreciably.

There's also vermicomposting, which is probably my favourite. With vermicomposting you use larva or worms to consume and break down the compost. It's benefits are that it tends to have little smell, is fairly fast, and doesn't require a lot of space. It's downsides are that it's based on living organisms. If you stop feeding them, they're not going to do so well. One of the big problems is that a hot compost pile doesn't really care how big it is once it hits a decent size, but vermicomposting will take longer the bigger it is. The verms will multiply over time, but not fast enough to really matter, and they can only process so much stuff per unit time.

That said, vermicomposting is aces for people with little space, or who want things like worm castings. It's as easy as poking a few holes in a storage tote, putting screen over them, filling it with moist shredded newspaper and tossing some red wigglers in. They'll get set up in the newspaper until you can toss in your scraps. They can consume up to half their weight a day.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Jun 2014 07:29:04 No.335878 Report

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Raspberry plant damage

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Anonymous Fri 20 Jun 2014 07:33:40 No.335879 Report

Quoted By: >>335880 >>335923

I don't think it's slugs or snails as it appeared on higher up leaves

And it's not got any worse since I have it a few coats of neem solution a couple of weeks back
Any ideas?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Jun 2014 07:43:57 No.335880 Report

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>>335878
>>335879
i have the same thing going on with my pea plants
there getting annihilated (the pods are fine though but how do i know when there readt to be harvested?)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Jun 2014 11:36:54 No.335916 Report

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>>335722
>More importantly, you're not amusing, stop trying to be.
Thanks, I'll try not to be silly.

>You have more waste than dog poop.
Yes, things like pulled weeds and kitchen scraps also go in there.

>Grass clippings are good for composting.
They are supposedly quite good for the purpose, but I mulch. It's dry here and I want all the water retention I can get for the yard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Jun 2014 12:22:26 No.335923 Report

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>>335879
>slugs

Beer traps and French/Mexican marigolds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Jun 2014 13:51:17 No.335937 Report

Quoted By: >>335946 >>335947 >>336107

>>335861
Are worm castings safe to work with? Won't it contaminate my garden, or poison me to be touching?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Jun 2014 14:00:15 No.335940 Report

Quoted By: >>335948 >>335950 >>336107

>>335861
Vermicomposting sounds like a great way to reuse kitchen waste. All my kitchen waste ends up going into a landfill currently, so turning it into something useful sounds great. How big of a bin do I need? And can I get the worm culture from a bait shop, or should I buy it from somewhere in particular?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Jun 2014 14:46:28 No.335946 Report

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>>335937
You may as well ask if dirt is safe to work with, as scientists have agreed that at this point every bit of earth has passed through a worm at least once. That was just a smart ass way of saying yes, it's safe to work with. It's really the only animal waste that you don't have to worry about leaving in a compost pile before it's ready.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Jun 2014 14:47:46 No.335947 Report

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>>335937
theyre fine its just the yum yum stuff from worms, increasing the good bacteria in your soil medium will help the plants grow better and stronger(yet another reason i prefer organic gardening to using chemicals)
chemical fertilizers dont really account for all that good bacteria that plants love feeding on

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Jun 2014 14:50:15 No.335948 Report

Quoted By: >>335949 >>336107

>>335940
3 feet tall by 3 feet wide is a fair size bin and thats a good size to get your bin nice and heated and active
thats about the size of piles i make in my yard, if you fill up the first 1 just make a 2nd 1
having bins/piles in different stages of decomposition helps a lot so you can be using fresh compost all the time

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Jun 2014 14:51:19 No.335949 Report

Quoted By: >>335953 >>336107

>>335948
3'x3' plastic tub for vermicomposting? Wouldn't that be huge?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Jun 2014 14:51:59 No.335950 Report

Quoted By: >>335956

>>335940
oh yeah anything over 3x3 feet tends to get harder to turn, keep that in mind
thats just fine if you like cold composting or if you have a back hoe though because it gets heavier the more you add

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Jun 2014 14:53:38 No.335953 Report

Quoted By: >>335956

>>335949
3x3 isnt too huge itll just enable you to get more stuff
unless you prefer smaller than choose which size you want, it really doesnt matter as long as it has enough size and browns/greens/scraps etc to heat up and get them worms/larvae eatin

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Jun 2014 15:12:29 No.335956 Report

Quoted By: >>335991

>>335953
>>335950
What happens to the worms in the winter?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Jun 2014 15:32:28 No.335961 Report

Quoted By: >>335963 >>335992

About 4 weeks ago I got my first plant - a peace Lilly. The day I took it home my mother helped split and repot it as it was getting way too cramped. 4 weeks now they're all alive still but aren't looking too hot. I made sure the pots they're in aren't too big for them. I've water only once a week. I gave a tiny sprinkle of plant feed.

>tldr my problem is: every few days each plant will get an entirely yellow leaf, I trim off at base as directed. Now they're getting dark brown tips.
>They're not over watered, over/under potted, are indoors and get adequate lighting. I've soap washed each leave for those little leaf nibblers so that problem is dying away.
>What else am I doing wrong?

Taking note I bought it in bad shape in the first place. I got it half price and hoped I could rear it to life and maybe finally make it bloom. Now my smallest one is nearly 100% yellow.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Jun 2014 15:41:35 No.335963 Report

Quoted By: >>335965 >>335983

>>335961
>I've water only once a week.
So what you're publicly telling everyone is that you murdered your plant.

You're underwatering them, and they probably aren't getting enough light. Plants need lots of light.

To tell if they need water, make a tiny hole in the soil about 1"-2" down with your finger. If the soil there is dry, they needed water already.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Jun 2014 15:42:47 No.335964 Report

Quoted By: >>335966

I just added about a thousand red wrigglers to each of my aquaponics grow beds. When I add compostable waste, do I need to bury it in the media, or will the worms happily eat what I pile on top? It's mostly non-meat kitchen scraps like banana peels, potato skins, and egg shells, as well as scrap clippings from the plants in the system.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Jun 2014 15:43:04 No.335965 Report

Quoted By: >>335984

>>335963
and one other thing: make sure your pot has holes in the bottom. Easy way to murder a plant is to overwater it in a pot with no holes. You end up with standing water over saturated soil, and a dead plant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Jun 2014 15:45:02 No.335966 Report

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>>335964
>do I need to bury it in the media, or will the worms happily eat what I pile on top?
They will eat what's on top as well, but you might want to cover it to help with any smell and to prevent pests from bothering the pile. Flies are attracted to it if you don't cover it with bedding, particularly any rotting fruit, meat, or dairy. If you've got no problems with smell or pests, you can just leave it on top.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Jun 2014 16:24:59 No.335983 Report

Quoted By: >>335994

>>335963
They havent gone limp. They're springy as fuck. Plus it was directed to not over water them. This is very conflicting.

I do the finger in the soil test a lot out of nervousness for the thing, its moist. To me. This and the fact the thing isn't limp or thirsty looking in any way suggests that the watering is fine

Also I'm airing out my water overnight for chlorine. Maybe there's something else in the water.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Jun 2014 16:26:55 No.335984 Report

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>>335965
They're all in plastic pots that came with holes so I'm confident in that department at least..

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Jun 2014 17:07:43 No.335991 Report

Quoted By: >>335993

>>335956
i think mine survive here in florida because the pile stays relatively warm through the winter usually
i also get black soldier fly larvae but those leave in the winter im pretty sure

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Jun 2014 17:09:49 No.335992 Report

Quoted By: >>341769

>>335961
what are you sprinkling on it?
should have a mix of peat/sand/compost and it will be healthy

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Jun 2014 17:10:40 No.335993 Report

Quoted By: >>335995

>>335991
>soldier fly larvae
I wish I had those. My lizard would love them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Jun 2014 17:11:09 No.335994 Report

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>>335983
if it isnt a watering issue its probably sunlight issues

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Jun 2014 17:12:11 No.335995 Report

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>>335993
they are lovely for the compost aswell they break scraps down incredibly fast
and they breed and spread really fast too i can get thousands of larvae in 1 pile easy

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Jun 2014 18:43:21 No.336034 Report

Quoted By: >>336238

Hey /out/, I've been seeing quite a few ants around my vegetable plot and Now I know where they're coming from. The plot was made out of large wooden beam by me and my father, I recently lifted some soil where my watermelons weren't growing and BAM, thousands of ant eggs, clinging to the sides of the wooden dividers.

Is this nothing to worry about? They're pretty well spread out across the entire plot, I even tossed a few clusters of them into the forest with a shovel. Should I leave them be?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Jun 2014 21:49:00 No.336107 Report

Quoted By: >>336112 >>336211

>>335937
Not in the slightest. If your garden doesn't have worms in it, you're doing something wrong.

>>335940
A rubber storage tote, one of the 20~ gallon ones should be fine. You might be able to find some in a bait shop, but regardless make sure you get red wigglers. Normal earthworms will not work.

>>335946
Some people use chicken and rabbit manure fresh with no concern. Whether you do, of course, is your issue. I still recommend composting it. And as far as chicken disease scares, your chickens should not have these diseases. These diseases are only really prevalent in industrial chicken farms.

>>335949
Dude, ignore this moron (>>335948) His suggestions are some screwed up mix of hot composting and vermicomposting. If your pile heats up, your worms die. If your worms die, you're not vermicomposting.

Seriously, completely ignore everything he has said. It's going to seriously lead you astray.

A storage tote will be sufficient for the amount of waste you're likely to produce.
Size is irrelevant, because you're not relying on heat.
Browns/greens isn't worth over-thinking because... again, you're not relying purely on bacteria.
This is vermicomposting, not cold composting. While it is cold, you're talking about completely different things here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Jun 2014 22:00:45 No.336112 Report

Quoted By: >>336123 >>336201

>>336107
Thanks for all the info. I'll try to find some red wigglers locally.

I was not sure why he mentioned heat either, since as you say, the worms will die if it starts rotting and they're not eating it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Jun 2014 22:07:14 No.336123 Report

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>>336112
dont know where you live but where i live theres supposedly a shortage of worms to be bought something about the companys that supply them having none

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jun 2014 01:57:43 No.336201 Report

Quoted By: >>336241

>>336112
If you can't find them in bait stores, consider...
1. Buying them online.
2. Finding locals who do vermicomposting. Gardening clubs are probably a good start.
3. Find animal manure, dig around in it. Red wigglers dwell in nutrient rich organic media, making manure a great place for them, and to find them. Unfortunately... it involves digging around in manure.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jun 2014 02:13:08 No.336211 Report

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>>336107
yeah you're retarded both the worms and soldier fly larvae survives all summer long here i have never had a problem with worms dying even in extreme heat

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jun 2014 03:42:20 No.336238 Report

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>>336034
Depends. Sometimes they can cause havoc among your veggies, but if they don't no reason to disturb them.
However, if u want to remove them, I suggest a combination of me thods: pour boiling water on the area with the most ants (this kills the ants), sprinkle anti-ant-poison (that they carry to their eggs n shizzle, and dies. Dont overdo, you may not even need this), and lastly, used up coffee grounds are supposed to work well to repell ants. Put the coffee grounds around the veggies you want to protect. Also, used coffee ground is also good fertilizer, so it's a win-win.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jun 2014 03:55:18 No.336241 Report

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>>336201
>If you can't find them in bait stores, consider...

Bait stores normally care the larger nightcrawlers which isn't what you want for vermicomposting. So, be on the look out for the much smaller ones.

I've found that setting yard clippings or a hay bale out to rot on the ground will attract tons of worms. Just lift it up and shovel out the soil quickly before the get away. Manure mixed with straw is an awesome combination for 1,000s of worms to show up as it decomposes. So long as the compost is resting on the ground that is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jun 2014 16:20:35 No.336363 Report

Quoted By: >>336378

anyone gardening in an apartment?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jun 2014 16:48:16 No.336378 Report

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>>336363
right here. well, I have some plants on my balcony and soem in my apartment.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jun 2014 16:56:35 No.336379 Report

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Does anyone want a lot of vegetable seeds? I have a ton of different things (various heirloom tomatos, cucumbers, kale, etc.). They're all from High Mowing Organic, Baker Creek, or from the Seed Saver's catalog.

I'll ship them out to you for free. I don't have a garden anymore and I don't want them to go to waste.

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Anonymous Sun 22 Jun 2014 00:36:13 No.336521 Report

Quoted By: >>336527 >>336549 >>336632 >>340479

Introduced the worms. Now I've got a bit of a bird problem. Attached some scare tape. I hope it works.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 22 Jun 2014 00:46:46 No.336527 Report

Quoted By: >>336528

>>336521

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 22 Jun 2014 00:48:15 No.336528 Report

Quoted By: >>336532

>>336527
Peppers are looking good.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 22 Jun 2014 00:53:04 No.336532 Report

Quoted By: >>336549

>>336528

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Jun 2014 01:30:10 No.336549 Report

Quoted By:

>>336521 - >>336532
Not bad not bad. Nice and compact.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Jun 2014 05:12:28 No.336632 Report

Quoted By:

>>336521
>hacksaw
I hope you brought it inside later...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Jun 2014 11:06:11 No.336703 Report

Quoted By: >>336713 >>336738

Cannabis grow bible - the only book i'll ever need

420 blaze it faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Jun 2014 11:56:11 No.336713 Report

Quoted By: >>336719 >>336738

>>336703
I feel like I'm weird here, but I'm not against marijuana, and have never really given a fuck about laws I disagreed with, but I just don't want to do it.

Like, I don't stick things in my body without motivation, and I see no compelling reason to do so with marijuana.

People whose lives revolve around any substance, however, come across as pretty pathetic to me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Jun 2014 12:14:11 No.336719 Report

Quoted By: >>336736 >>336738

>>336713
well what's important here is that you've found a way to feel like you're better than everyone else

and that's just wonderful

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Jun 2014 13:21:24 No.336736 Report

Quoted By: >>336738

>>336719
No, not better than everyone else.

Just better than obsessive trash.

If the world was filled with trash that would make me the king of garbage, wouldn't it? That'd suck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Jun 2014 13:33:59 No.336738 Report

Quoted By:

>>336736
>>336719
>>336713
>>336703
Take this off topic stuff back to /b/ or 420chan.org please.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Jun 2014 21:14:35 No.336911 Report

Quoted By: >>337035

Would mosquito netting work as shade cloth for spinach, kale, and romane?

I have a ton of mosquito netting an dim wondering if I can use it.

I live in Michigan so I don't get a ton of sun but there are still quite a few bright days.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Jun 2014 21:30:03 No.336922 Report

Quoted By: >>336930 >>336950 >>336963

What can I do in an apartment building? We have a small balcony that I use to grow some small potted vegetables.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Jun 2014 21:38:33 No.336930 Report

Quoted By:

>>336922
Tomatoes!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Jun 2014 22:10:28 No.336950 Report

Quoted By: >>337326

>>336922
litterally anything
aslong as you dont mind vines hanging off your balcony
while im not in a appartment i grow stuff off of my upper deck because it gets much more sun
>tfw lat year an enormous watermellon was hanging 10 ft off the ground m

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Jun 2014 22:35:31 No.336963 Report

Quoted By:

>>336922
I do some apartment gardening. I usually just grow things that need to be very fresh - like snowpeas and herbs.

I took some old pallet wood and made a foot by foot trough, lined it with burlap. It holds moisture better than pots, but I might but a black plastic or burlap soil cover on it to prevent even more water loss - I need to do 2 waterings a day in July.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 23 Jun 2014 01:48:24 No.337017 Report

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it's a baby plant, but this is my variagated tomato. notice the leaves are, well, variagated!

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 23 Jun 2014 01:49:35 No.337018 Report

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and this is a pale leaf mortgage lifter tomato. it's an heirloom. I grow a lot of stuff just because it's different.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 23 Jun 2014 01:50:52 No.337019 Report

Quoted By:

this is how the pale leaf mortgage sticks out surrounded by other tomatoes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jun 2014 02:19:45 No.337035 Report

Quoted By: >>337042

>>336911
My kale and romaine have been doing fine in full sun and 89-95F heat. My kale is going crazy, but zebra caterpillars are hitting it hard.

The netting should work as a shade cloth. It does cast a shadow after all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jun 2014 02:27:39 No.337042 Report

Quoted By: >>337047

>>337035
Kale is generally very heat-tolerant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jun 2014 02:35:48 No.337047 Report

Quoted By: >>337054

>>337042
I have a lot of problems with heat/sun on my spinach

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jun 2014 02:43:28 No.337054 Report

Quoted By: >>337060

>>337047
As do I. My spinach has bolted and I only got a leaf or two off it.

Oh well, collect seeds, try again in the fall.

My pumpkins are doing good though. Big beautiful flowers. <3

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jun 2014 02:49:00 No.337060 Report

Quoted By:

>>337054
I was late on my pumpkins. wait a whole year and then things get busy and I missed it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Jun 2014 17:53:19 No.337326 Report

Quoted By:

>>336950
>>tfw lat year an enormous watermellon was hanging 10 ft off the ground
I'm trying sugar baby watermelons and cucumbers on a trellis this year. The cukes are really taking to it, the melons need some convincing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Jun 2014 12:29:44 No.337712 Report

Quoted By: >>337777

Planted some radishes mid-april. How do I know the suckers are ready? They're getting huge leaves, and one of plants started to flower. But when I took one out, it was just a tiny root.

Flower Fag

Flower Fag Tue 24 Jun 2014 12:47:37 No.337715 Report

Quoted By: >>337770 >>337776

Hey guys,
Came to you with radish issues a couple weeks ago, but now I have questions about my Mustard greens.
They look healthy and all but they've begun to turn up bright yellow flowers. Does this mean their past harvest? Also once most plants flower is it past their harvest point, and I'm not meaning the plants you harvest the 'flower' of.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Jun 2014 15:27:53 No.337770 Report

Quoted By: >>338323

>>337715
Start picking it, and plant more. The leaves aren't going to grow much more than they have. They aren't necessarily _past_ their harvest, but the taste of the food is going to begin decreasing as time passes (though very slowly for some plants. mustard greens may last a while).

As for most plants, it's a commonality that bolting to seed is bad for your harvest if your plan was to harvest the greens and not some part of the plant's reproductive stage (e.g. fruit). But some plants, like basil, when they start to flower you just pinch off the flowers and keep going. Others develop a woody/pithy/bitter taste after flowering, and you'll want to harvest them ASAP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Jun 2014 15:38:40 No.337776 Report

Quoted By: >>338323

>>337715
You can harvest the seeds, they're yummy too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Jun 2014 15:39:25 No.337777 Report

Quoted By:

>>337712
if its going to flower and not forming bulbs then its too hot outside, theyre more of a fall/winter/early spring crop
i had some of mine bulb out then right after that some went to flower and seed and failed to produce bulbs

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Jun 2014 16:43:14 No.337814 Report

Quoted By: >>338671

What's the average life span of a pea plant? My first row which is about 3 months old is turning yellow. Not sure if they can't stand the heat, are diseased or just old.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Jun 2014 12:34:48 No.338323 Report

Quoted By: >>338415

>>337770
ooo Thanks so much, this answers alot!

>>337776
Ahh yum! Are Mustard green seed the same as Mustard? As in if you grind them up you can make mustard?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Jun 2014 16:55:20 No.338415 Report

Quoted By: >>338582

>>338323
yes there is spicy varieties aswell a lot of types of mustards grow in the wild too and all mustards are edible and most look similar-ish

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Jun 2014 23:42:39 No.338582 Report

Quoted By: >>338824

>>338415
Ohh, I think I'll let some of them seed then. I hope to be able to make some good mustard, even if it is just a little.

Not exactly sure which kind of mustard I have..

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Jun 2014 02:25:31 No.338671 Report

Quoted By:

>>337814

When I grow them here in the SE US during the spring, they generally go dead around now. They don't like the heat. I spent some time this past weekend tearing my pea plants down and collecting peas for planting or eating depending on their condition.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Jun 2014 13:21:26 No.338824 Report

Quoted By: >>338826

>>338582
theyre all good so no worries
you can also grind the roots on spicy mustards to make a horse radish substitute

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Jun 2014 13:28:20 No.338826 Report

Quoted By: >>338963 >>338964

>>338824
Yum! When grinding the roots/seeds, would I need to add anything, like water, to get a paste or will it paste up on its own?

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Anonymous Thu 26 Jun 2014 15:35:17 No.338851 Report

Quoted By:

So I started some strawberry seeds. Out of five only one sprouted, and I've been watching it grow. But the thing is I'm not sure if it's actually a strawberry or not? It's a white hybrid and I'm used to the typical red ones you can pick up already blooming at garden departments, and this one has different looking leaves and blossoms. I guess I'll see soon if I've been tending to a weed or not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Jun 2014 16:25:39 No.338867 Report

Quoted By: >>339223

>start off some pepper plants
>they're going pretty well
>move them outside (were previously in my room)
>suddenly they stop growing completely

Welp. What's causing this? Too cold? Can it be fixed?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Jun 2014 18:55:28 No.338946 Report

Quoted By: >>338960 >>339223

what do you guys think are good herbs/flowers to start out with if you've never done gardening before? preferably something you can do in summer too

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Anonymous Thu 26 Jun 2014 19:14:04 No.338956 Report

Quoted By: >>338960 >>338971

Moved into new apartment, cleaned a weeded garden. This guy was left over and has been doing great.

What is it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Jun 2014 19:18:48 No.338960 Report

Quoted By: >>338965

>>338946

Are you wanting to do seeds or started plants, or a mix of the two?

In my yard, which can get up to 100F in summer and below freezing in winter, Fennel and Rosemary are two plants that do well without any assistance from me.

Parsley does OK too, but it's biennial so it has to be refreshed each year or two years.

I'd vote for those three as easy to care for with minimal to no maintenance requirements.

>>338956

I *think* that's sunflower.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Jun 2014 19:22:41 No.338963 Report

Quoted By:

>>338826
vinegar and some salt if you like

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Jun 2014 19:23:43 No.338964 Report

Quoted By:

>>338826
oh yeah best to use something like a coffee grinder for seeds/roots unless you like spending a lot of time with a mortar and pestle

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Jun 2014 19:24:18 No.338965 Report

Quoted By:

>>338960
thanks anon, I think you're right.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Jun 2014 19:34:34 No.338971 Report

Quoted By:

>>338956

Sunflower

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 26 Jun 2014 19:57:47 No.338985 Report

Quoted By: >>339223 >>340390 >>340408 >>341735

Not much to update with my garden. Today, I extended the electric fence to include all the raised beds; empty and not. I've started to see aphids appear on some of the roma tomato plants and zebra caterpillars are running rampant on the kale. Which is fine, I don't like kale that much and I only need it for seed right now. I need to seriously thin out my pumpkin patch. They are growing like wildfire. After a hard raining night they'd all doubled in size and number of leaves.

I found some purslane in some potting soil for another project and transplanted it to my garden beds. Hopefully, it'll do well. The yellow banana peppers are pretty tasty already.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jun 2014 01:32:37 No.339091 Report

Quoted By: >>339094 >>339104 >>339298

i would like to grow cactus fruit
does anyone have experience with doing this?
it would have to be in a pot because i live in the northeast

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jun 2014 01:36:02 No.339094 Report

Quoted By: >>339103

>>339091
I used to grow a prickly pear cactus that survived long -5 to -15F winters in Zone 5. It was really hardy and easy to propagate. I don't have it anymore, but the one I gave to a neighbor is still going 20 years later.

The fruit tasted a lot like a tomato.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jun 2014 01:40:50 No.339103 Report

Quoted By: >>339300 >>339334

>>339094
oh i heard the fruits were alot more like kiwi or rasberry tasting
il look into different plants and how they taste ect

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Anonymous Fri 27 Jun 2014 01:46:01 No.339104 Report

Quoted By: >>339106 >>339157

>>339091
There's different types of nopales and their taste can be affected by your soil. I have 12 fruits on one of my plants right now. I planted it last year from a cutting. It rooted and grew 6 new paddles, and then this year fruited. The fruits are covered in tiny ass spines so most people roll them in sand or singe them off with a flame, but the fruits are pretty tasty especially if you let them ripen a little longer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jun 2014 01:47:41 No.339106 Report

Quoted By: >>339303

>>339104
what do your fruits taste like?

would love to have something a bit different to eat from time to time

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jun 2014 02:28:43 No.339114 Report

Quoted By: >>339223

Bought some Carolina Reaper seeds (HP22B) to plant, any secret tips for them? I was given simple instructions but I just wonder if there is something I should do thats special or could help

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jun 2014 04:01:24 No.339157 Report

Quoted By: >>339301

>>339104
This is my first year with fruits from this type (spineless nopale) so I'm not sure yet. The fruits wont ripen for a while more, but I used to get a sweet fruity taste with the ones my grandma grew as a kid. If you harvest them too early they taste more..bland I guess. greener, like veggies. Also beware of getting cuttings. I got a cutting that had a hidden patch of cochineal on the underside of a paddle and am now fighting a cocheal infestation on nearly all my opitunas.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jun 2014 06:21:29 No.339223 Report

Quoted By: >>339283

>>338867
You took your sheltered babies and thrust them into the harsh hellhole of a world. They're going to stop doing anything, and may even wilt and yellow a bit before continuing growing. This is why hardening off is a thing.

>>338946
Whatever you like/will use.

>>338985
Purge them, don't let them go.
My pumpkins (only have a couple) are growing really fast too.

>>339114
It's just a hot pepper. Do the same things you'd do with any other hot pepper. Nothing specific.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jun 2014 11:53:38 No.339283 Report

Quoted By: >>339335

>>339223
>Purge them, don't let them go.

Purge what?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jun 2014 12:41:05 No.339298 Report

Quoted By:

>>339091
i have a large prickly pear cactus in my yard in florida, they are pretty hardy once they get larger
the fruit is good too dark red pigment that you can also use to paint or temporarily dye hair with
they will grow in pretty much any soil conditions they grow wild all around here

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jun 2014 12:42:21 No.339300 Report

Quoted By: >>339334

>>339103
its like a raspberry kind of, it can have a bit of a mucilaginous texture sometimes tho i think it depends on how ripe they are when picked not sure

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jun 2014 12:44:32 No.339301 Report

Quoted By:

>>339157
i have had a prickly pepper in my yard for around a decade and i have never seen a infestation of anything
dont forget that small pads are good diced and stir fried just dont eat older ones they tend to get tough and slimy

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jun 2014 12:51:09 No.339303 Report

Quoted By:

>>339106
they have about the texture of a peach and an intense berry-like flavor

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Anonymous Fri 27 Jun 2014 14:48:56 No.339334 Report

Quoted By: >>339346 >>339347

>>339103
>>339300
I think the flavor really depends on the variety. I've never had one taste like a raspberry. Only like tomatoes. I did some googling and they are Easter Prickly Pear (Opuntia humifusa). The fruit is a bitch to eat because the needles are really tiny and come off in bunches when they touch your skin. The fruit are covered in them, so cleaning them off is a real chore.

These things grow just about anywhere though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jun 2014 14:51:02 No.339335 Report

Quoted By: >>339337 >>339342

>>339283
The caterpillars.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jun 2014 14:54:59 No.339337 Report

Quoted By: >>339342

>>339335
Can't there's way too many. It'd take days to get rid of them just sitting there smashing them.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Jun 2014 15:06:09 No.339342 Report

Quoted By:

>>339335
>>339337
Oh, and on the upside. They are being attacked by parasitic wasps. I found 2, one on the kale and one on the lamb's quarter that had been eaten like this. Here's one after the larva with Apanteles glomeratus cocoons. Now there will be tons more parasitic wasps.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jun 2014 15:19:49 No.339346 Report

Quoted By: >>339361

>>339334
i have had some that were pretty bland i usually wait til they fall off the cactus to eat them
the mature 1 i have i picked up in the wild out west somewhere probably utah or something like that
they do get sweet but they take forever to fully ripen
also you can either use a potato peeler on the spines or you can chop off both ends then slice it in half and eat the pulp inside

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jun 2014 15:21:01 No.339347 Report

Quoted By: >>339361

>>339334
oh yea you can burn them off with a lighter or a torch or something too

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jun 2014 15:40:45 No.339361 Report

Quoted By: >>339409

>>339346
the hairs are all on the sides too

>>339347
that is a pretty good idea. it'll at least remove he tips so they can't poke into you

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jun 2014 17:43:17 No.339409 Report

Quoted By:

>>339361
yeah i hold them with a pair of tongs when i use a potato peeler on them, works pretty nice actually gets the spines right out
i think if your hands are wet and the fruits been wet a bit then the needles wont stick in you as easily either

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jun 2014 23:08:17 No.339488 Report

Quoted By: >>339566

A whole bunch of volunteer tomatoes suddenly popped up this week where I was going to plant flowers.

Should I let them live? Is there enough time left for them to produce?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Jun 2014 03:08:17 No.339566 Report

Quoted By:

>>339488
you can transplant them out if you want to use that space, as for time it depends on how long of a season you have for growing
i could probably plant them up until august here in florida, earlier is better though so you can get a few crops maybe

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 28 Jun 2014 15:30:41 No.339778 Report

Quoted By: >>339781 >>340481 >>340873

What do you guys think of insect habitats like those used for attracting pollinating bees and wasps?

http://www.inspirationgreen.com/insect-habitats.html

I have plenty of stuff and tools to make my own and figured that I will do so sometime soon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Jun 2014 15:36:06 No.339781 Report

Quoted By:

>>339778
Very good. I have some on my porch and helped my mom and dad put up a few in their garden.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Jun 2014 22:12:43 No.339923 Report

Quoted By: >>339924 >>339935 >>340247

this is growing in my garden, its attached to a big plant that has similar leaves to my cucumbers
what the heck is it?

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Anonymous Sat 28 Jun 2014 22:14:12 No.339924 Report

Quoted By: >>339935 >>339969

>>339923
pics of the "fruit"
thats also growing on it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Jun 2014 22:34:30 No.339935 Report

Quoted By:

>>339923
>>339924
Could be Zucchini.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Jun 2014 23:37:20 No.339969 Report

Quoted By:

>>339924
reminds me of a passion fruit flower bud

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 29 Jun 2014 12:57:06 No.340223 Report

Quoted By: >>340226 >>340230 >>340232 >>340238

Why is this thread on page 4? I'm bumpin with hosta pics. These were cuttings last year. Never in a million years would I have thought they would grow this size in one year.

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Anonymous Sun 29 Jun 2014 13:00:38 No.340225 Report

Quoted By: >>340230

Now that I say this, last year I posted a pic right after I planted everything in this thread. Some anon said the hostas would take over, he was right. More hosta pics.

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Anonymous Sun 29 Jun 2014 13:02:53 No.340226 Report

Quoted By: >>340230

>>340223
This is one year ago.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 29 Jun 2014 13:09:31 No.340230 Report

Quoted By: >>340251

>>340226
>>340225
>>340223
Here is some funky ass mushrooms that pop up all the time since I added the mulch, flower bed is on north side of house btw.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 29 Jun 2014 13:13:25 No.340232 Report

Quoted By:

>>340223
These are daisys, primrose and some other yellow flower I planted together

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 29 Jun 2014 13:23:33 No.340238 Report

Quoted By: >>340241

>>340223
Big ass hosta.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 29 Jun 2014 13:28:39 No.340241 Report

Quoted By: >>340245 >>340247

>>340238
It's not just the flowers doing good this year, my 8 year old daughter wanted to plant a garden, so I taught her how. Here is a cabbage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Jun 2014 13:31:46 No.340245 Report

Quoted By: >>340250 >>342333

>>340241
nice, what are hostas for by the way? saw someone else on youtube growing too was just wondering

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Anonymous Sun 29 Jun 2014 13:36:53 No.340247 Report

Quoted By:

>>340241
And a zucchini plant. Which looks like what you've growing anon >>339923

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 29 Jun 2014 13:42:35 No.340250 Report

Quoted By: >>340280

>>340245
Decoration. I really like them, and they are hardy, easy to grow. I believe they are native to Japan, idk.

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Anonymous Sun 29 Jun 2014 13:45:30 No.340251 Report

Quoted By:

>>340230
More shrooms. I get a bunch of different kinds.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 29 Jun 2014 13:51:01 No.340254 Report

Quoted By:

Ok, I'm done.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Jun 2014 14:41:28 No.340276 Report

Quoted By:

who else is growing tobacco? what strain are you growing?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Jun 2014 14:54:48 No.340280 Report

Quoted By:

>>340250
http://www.mofga.org/Publications/MaineOrganicFarmerGardener/Spring2013/Tip/tabid/2568/Default.aspx
it says people in japan have been eating hostas for centuries

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 29 Jun 2014 18:54:13 No.340390 Report

Quoted By: >>340408 >>340414 >>340438 >>340476 >>340477 >>341735 >>341771

Hey guys, I recently finished a raised garden container inspired by this >>338985.

Built it for ~$70. Any advice on what to plant in it/ tips on building another?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Jun 2014 19:33:52 No.340408 Report

Quoted By: >>340409 >>340430 >>340579 >>341873

>>340390
Very nice. Here's a few tips,

-Cover the tops or find a way to prevent water build up in them (tiles, bricks, etc). If it freezes in your area, any water remaining inside the blocks has the chance of freezing and splitting them. This makes them much nicer to sit on too. This will also help prevent weed growth inside the blocks. Some people plant stuff inside the blocks.

-To reduce the amount of soil you need for your plants, look into type of "hugelkultur" where you fill much of the space with logs, deadfall, or yard waste as >>338985 has done in the top left image of the raised bed closest to the camera. Then simply cover that with good compost/soil. This extra biomass will continue to decay and add nutrients for your plants.

-Walkways around the raised beds should be wide enough for you to use anything you want on them. Do you have a wheelbarrow? Make the walkways wide enough to fit it through without a problem. Do you have a pickup truck? You may want a section where you can back the truck right up to the beds to load/unload things. Do you have a lawnmower that dumps yard waste? Having it back right up to the beds and dump stuff directly into them is really great.

-Walkways made of stone and brick will become extreme slick in winter and when wet from rain. Walkways of gravel are great for extra grip and safe to walk on at all times. However, gravel walkways are not as fun to walk on barefooted. Always place an underlinement (old vinyl floor, catfood/livestock feed bags, etc) under the gravel or stone/brick walkways to prevent weeds from growing up. Proper edging is great to help contain gravel, making it easier to mow around.

-Walkways also help prevent transference of some pests to your raised bed by becoming a desert boarder.

-I recommend installing a watering system that you can use a timer for. Soaker hoses or drip lines are great for these.

Continued...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Jun 2014 19:39:32 No.340409 Report

Quoted By: >>340430

>>340408
...Continued.

-The soil will be very loose, so when you use stakes to hold vines and tomatoes, make them so long that they will also enter into the solid ground under the raised beds. This will prevent them from simply falling over as the plants gain weight and wind blows.

-Slugs and snails love the masonry in and around the blocks. This is also another reason for putting something on the tops of the block holes. Beer traps are especially good for capturing these. French and Mexican marigolds are also a terrific trap plant for slugs. They will zoom straight to them, passing up your vegetables. Line the inside of the beds with marigolds and/or beer traps.

-Polytunnels are easily placed over these raised beds. You can install some pipes/rods on the outside corners and edges that can be used to attach polytunnel hoops to. This will keep the blocks inside the polytunnel for extra thermal mass. Use a fan inside these tunnels. Use double layers of plastic when it is really cold in the winter. Use water-filled, black-painted containers to add additional thermal mass. You can garden all year round with these as our greenhouses.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Jun 2014 19:44:57 No.340414 Report

Quoted By: >>340430 >>340579

>>340390
For all future raised beds. You won't need an underlayment like what you have in that one. It slows down drainage and no weeds will be popping up through in the first place. The only plants that can pop up through would be ones that would spike right through the underlayment (Japanese knotweed, bamboo, and trumpet vine to name a few). Later on, when you move the raised bed or dig deeply the underlayment can be a problem.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 29 Jun 2014 20:29:58 No.340430 Report

Quoted By: >>341771 >>341873

>>340408
>>340409
>>340414
Excellent! Thanks Anon, I'll provide updates of the upgraded bed when it's complete.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Jun 2014 20:36:32 No.340438 Report

Quoted By: >>340579

>>340390
The width is nice since you can easily sit on either side and reach the middle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Jun 2014 22:15:01 No.340476 Report

Quoted By: >>340491 >>340579

>>340390
you'd be fine with 1 or 2 stacks of cinderblocks, most plants root systems wont go down more than a foot or 2 so unless you intend to put in some perennials or something like that id go with 1 or 2
itll save you on soil aswell, ive seen some people grow in beds as shallow as 6 inches and do alright

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Jun 2014 22:17:34 No.340477 Report

Quoted By: >>340491 >>340579

>>340390
oh you can put plants with small-ish root systems(beans, peas, lettuces or flowers or herbs for example) in the holes in the cinderblocks to maximize space
i could easily get 2-3 bush bean plants in a single hole and it helps makes a nice border too

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Jun 2014 22:47:12 No.340479 Report

Quoted By:

>>336521
Do you have a set of plans or instructions for how you went about making this? It's exactly what I had in mind, and I'd love some tips if you're still around!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Jun 2014 22:53:53 No.340481 Report

Quoted By:

>>339778
Never seen these before. I think that would be a good project to do today, thanks for the post!

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 29 Jun 2014 23:07:33 No.340487 Report

Quoted By: >>340491

Anyone have any idea whats wrong with my peppers ? Peppers themselves seems to be growing just fine but its the leafs condition what worries me.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 29 Jun 2014 23:12:33 No.340491 Report

Quoted By: >>340493 >>340498 >>340545 >>340547

>>340476
>>340477
Root systems actually go much deeper than you think. Especially when grown in good soil that is not compacted.

>>340487
More nitrogen. Next time, use a lot of composted material. For now, you can make a compost tea or manure tea and use to water them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Jun 2014 23:14:48 No.340493 Report

Quoted By: >>340524

>>340491
Depends on the plant. Corn has way more root system than, say, spinach.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Jun 2014 23:22:22 No.340498 Report

Quoted By: >>340524

>>340491

Thanks. I wasn't using any since i bought and planted them. I guess I have to buy some fertilizer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 00:57:01 No.340524 Report

Quoted By: >>340725

>>340493
Most garden plants are like this. They will extend a great deal more in good loose soil. Spinach roots can go over 2.5 feet deep in 6 weeks and 3.5-4 feet deep in 10 weeks and can be up to 6 feet deep.

When people simply pull up a plant by the stalk and only see a few inches of roots, most of the roots will have been snapped off with many feet still left in the soil.

It is actually quite amazing.

>>340498
They should respond really well with a compost/manure tea. Just google how to make them. Use of store bought fertilizer should be little. Since you already have things so mature, a little store bought fertilizer in the beginning, while you wait for a tea to ripen will help speed things along.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 01:06:57 No.340528 Report

Quoted By: >>340567

Here's a rather cool and eye opening look at how the crops' roots grow. Some of these things pass the 10' mark!

>ROOT DEVELOPMENT OF VEGETABLE CROPS BY JOHN E. WEAVER

http://www.soilandhealth.org/01aglibrary/010137veg.roots/010137toc.html

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 01:40:00 No.340545 Report

Quoted By: >>340567

>>340491
i have never had an annual plant go deeper than maybe a foot and a half and i have properly amended sandy loam
and i have a very long growing season here in florida too

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 01:41:02 No.340547 Report

Quoted By: >>340567

>>340491
oh besides things like watermelon that send down a tap root

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 02:33:12 No.340567 Report

Quoted By:

>>340547
>>340545
You should probably check out the book in >>340528

If your plant's roots are not going very deep, there's a problem. Mine always go well past the raised bed bottom.

Short roots are a perpetuated myth. Healthy plants grow to impressive depths. Don't be fooled by monoculture, big agro methods which by their method normally end with plants that have very stunted roots.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 02:57:20 No.340579 Report

Quoted By:

>>340408
>>340414
>>340438
>>340476
>>340477
Going to incorporate all of these and return with pics. Thanks to everyone!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 03:57:49 No.340616 Report

Quoted By: >>340788

My first year growing eggplant, it's the long purple variety. But 2 of the 3 plants are producing yellow eggplants. I searched and it said it is diseased or from sunburn. It doesn't have that many leaves probably due to poor soil (miracle gro) and only in a 5 gallon pot. They're a bunch and growing big but they're yellow and might be diseased. Should they be okay to eat still? Should I just pull them out and bin them? They had dying yellow leaves from time to time. It sucks, they were doing okay overall.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 09:42:40 No.340725 Report

Quoted By:

>>340524

K. I have a horse so making a manure tea fast shouldn't be a problem.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 09:46:32 No.340727 Report

Quoted By:

Anybody know how I could find the NPK requirements of random plants like cantaloupe? I find some stuff on the internet but it's very vague and not trustworthy. I want to grow cantaloupe in a hydroponic grow tent.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 13:02:43 No.340758 Report

Quoted By: >>340789 >>340790

I have some pea plants which are about to die and a second row I sowed too late.

Should I just uproot them and sow carrots instead? The harvest season is short here (mid-september is pushing it for most plants).

And I'm not even sure about the carrots since I already sowed some but my alternatives would take too long I think (and/or hard to preserve). Listing them just in case:

-Beets (some egyptian variety, already sowed some)
-Yellow beans (already sowed some)
-Leeks (already sowed some)
-Yellow onions (already sowed some)
-Brussel sprouts
-Cauliflowers (already sowed some)
-Lettuce (already sowed some)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 14:35:28 No.340788 Report

Quoted By: >>340859

>>340616
use compost/manure/sand not miracle grow
miracle grow is poison
as for color difference i dont know sorry if its edible its good to go tho

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 14:40:50 No.340789 Report

Quoted By:

>>340758
carrots dont really like the extreme heat here so i plant them from september-march in florida(they will grow through the heat tho given proper water)
i imagine it would be a bit different for you because your season is different
just find what grows best in your area for that time of year/weather and plant accordingly

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 14:42:12 No.340790 Report

Quoted By:

>>340758
oh you can look up planting dates for what crops you want in your area usually theres generally some .edu website or something like that

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 17:27:51 No.340837 Report

Quoted By: >>341523

Should any particular shop light be suitable for starting seedlings indoors? I tried starting a few last year for the first time, but they all etiolated badly even though I kept the light hung as low as possible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 18:38:50 No.340859 Report

Quoted By:

>>340788
>miracle grow is poison

More that the processing used to make it as well as it being shipped all over the place are rather polluting.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 18:54:37 No.340862 Report

Quoted By: >>340873

Hi /out/

I have a serious problem with these tiny green caterpillars/inchworms... Some are smaller than the diameter of a penny, while other, larger ones are about the diameter of a quarter. They have wrecked my borage, basil, and bee balm plants by eating the leaves and I see tiny brown/black specks all over the leaves with holes in them (I'm assuming these are the eggs)

What is the best method to take out these caterpillar eggs? I also have a problem (though not as severe as the caterpillars) with tiny green leafhoppers. The borage is already flowering so I'm worried about using a strong pesticide because the bees are visiting the borage now, and I don't want to hurt them at all. How can I take these caterpillars out (the larvae/worms, eggs, as well as prevent the adult moths/butterflies from laying eggs) while keeping the bees safe? I've also seen a few wasps/yellow jackets which I've heard will eat the larvae so I'd like to not hurt them either...

Pic related, these are what I've been finding chewing up the leaves....

Also, what companion plantings would eliminate these butterflies/moths/caterpillars from appearing? I thought borage was protected against them due to the sharp/spiny leaves and stems but alas, they aren't hurting the caterpillars at all! Also, surprisingly, the caterpillars are choosing to eat the borage, basil, and nasturtium leaves opposed to the tomato plants I have growing...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 19:31:55 No.340873 Report

Quoted By: >>340874

>>340862
I know this feel. I have similar problems with my kale right now. There's a number of things you can do to help prevent this and to help kill off the ones already there. There is no 1-stop-hit for most pests. You'll have to combine a few things to really do the best without resorting to pesticides (which don't work well on their own in the first place.) Most of my recommendations are thing you need to research yourself.

-When planning your next season's garden, take note right now what type of pests you have. Then plant trap plants that will help attract those pests away from your own vegetable plants.

-Make habitats for parasitic wasps, spiders, and bats. Google "bee habitat", "insect habitat", and "bat house". You can easily make many of these and place them in and around your entire garden area. They will provide a place for both pollinators and predator insects. I often see regular paper wasps hunting the caterpillars and taking them back to their nests. Cicada killer wasps nab the moths in mid air (these are ground-type wasps). Examples are in this post, >>339778 http://www.inspirationgreen.com/insect-habitats.html

-Be watchful. Wear gloves, or go barehanded and grab up and squash all eggs and larva you find. In small gardens and raised beds this is a very good method. For large gardens and fields this is far more labor intensive than you should be doing.

-Barriers. There are many types of netting that can be put over your plants to prevent moths from laying eggs on them. Take care of selecting the correct hole size for the netting. You don't want it to be too small for various types of tiny-medium pollinating bees. Make sure the netting doesn't touch the plants or the leaves can grow through them and tangle them up.

-Chickens. Some breads of chickens are better at hunting insects and leaving plants alone than others. They are usually ones that have feathers covering their feet.

Continued...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Jun 2014 19:32:57 No.340874 Report

Quoted By:

>>340873
...Continued.

-DIY sprays. There are many types of sprays you can use to help keep pests off your plants. Some simply make the surface of the plant a bit sweeter, make it smell odd or mask the odor of the plant, or kill/deter a specific range of pests.

-Insect-confusing colors. Some shades of green can help confuse the moths that lay eggs on your plants. Coupling these with odor-masking sprays and you can better help confuse the moths from actually reaching your plants.

The worst time to get rid of pests is after they have arrived.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 03:20:51 No.341086 Report

Quoted By: >>341288 >>341289 >>341290

So I tried picking up gardening because our backyard looks really pathetic. I looked for plants that seemed easy to take care of, not need much water and etc, because I can be pretty forgetful.

What I got so far:
Cape Plumbago
Lavender
Mexican Lobelia
Salvia
Mexican Sage Bush
Pomegranate Tree
Sweet Basil
Red Pepper
Japanese Aralia

Most seem to be doing fine. My salvia didn't look good at first, the leaves seemed lanky and the flowers that were already on it died off right away, but now it's growing new ones and the leaves don't seem lanky. My red peppers didn't grow anything for awhile, but now it started growing lots of leaves and I think it'll be growing peppers soon. My mexican lobelia died off right away when I planted it, I put it back in the pot and moved it and everything grew back. The only plant that I think is doing badly is my lavender, nothing has really grown at all and I'm not sure what's wrong.

Is there anything basic I should know in regards to gardening? I live in the contra costa county, which is like zone 9-10 I think. I also have generic miracle-gro 10-10-10 fertilizer. I remember I helped make some compost in an envi sci class I took, but it felt like too much work. Is there another alternative? Should I be using a specific type of soil when planting or just use the dirt in my backyard?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 03:31:57 No.341089 Report

Quoted By:

10cm of rain in the past 3 days has my bean plants all flopped over. The garden will need to be weeded if I can get a few consecutive days without rain to dry it out. I think every single carrot seed germinated, so those will need thinning too.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 05:26:03 No.341175 Report

Quoted By: >>341179 >>341313

Plant ID (part 1/2)

This past April, I went to the gardening section of a hardware store and noticed that bees really seem to be attracted to Scabiosa flowers (pic related) so I went to see if there were any seeds and only saw that they had Annual Scabiosas. The plant in the picture is a Perennial Scabiosa but I didn't want to buy the whole plant (I like to grow plants from seeds) so I saw a dying bloom, deadheaded it and put it in my pocket, waited two weeks for the seeds to dry then I planted it. It grew and the blooms began to appear two weeks ago.

I was shocked that the parent plant (seen in the picture) had blue/purple blooms and the plant that actually grew ended up having orange flowers (in my next post) so I'm not sure if that is genetics or what. On further inspection, I noticed the Scabiosa leaves don't look anything like the plant that actually grew from the seeds that I obtained from the deadheading....

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 05:27:23 No.341179 Report

Quoted By: >>341307 >>341313

>>341175
Plant ID (part 2/2)

This is the flower and plant that actually grew and I’m surprised why the color and leaves are completely different. My first picture shows the parent plant, however, the progeny that came from those seeds has a completely different color (orange) and the leaves don’t even look the same. I’m hoping someone could give me insight on what happened, why the plants are so different, and if there is a way to ID or know what kind of plant I now have? I did see that Scabiosas can technically come in orange but when I noticed the leaves don’t even look alike, I’m completely lost at what happened or what plant I even have now….

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 14:24:37 No.341288 Report

Quoted By:

>>341086
varieties of basil and thyme and rosemary do really well with little care
you should also get into identifying your local edible wild plants, having more food/medicine than you could ever use is definitely a nice thing

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 14:25:50 No.341289 Report

Quoted By:

>>341086
oh yeah use compost and manure not miracle grow, compost and manure hold all the nutrients you need to grow food and your plants/wildlife will thank you for giving them real soil instead of garbage chemicals

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 14:27:49 No.341290 Report

Quoted By:

>>341086
also compost is easy to make, all it is is a mix of brown/green scraps given time to break down into soil
i just layer leaves(more broken down the better) with food scraps or plants that ive pulled from the garden and let it break down
it takes around a month here from start to finish and it beats the hell out of paying for nutrients and throwing away scraps that can be reprocessed into soil

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 15:21:47 No.341307 Report

Quoted By: >>341313

>>341179

Looking at those leaves and flower buds, I'd look into zinnias or zinnia relatives in the aster family. Without seeing that flower I'd guess that's a zinnia plant.

There are a wide variety, and many zinnia species. "Narrowleaf zinnia" gets some similar looking plants. Good luck with your search.

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Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 15:43:50 No.341313 Report

Quoted By: >>341320

>>341307
I thought it might be a Zinnia as well but I know what Zinnias look like and they tend to have 50+ petals in bloom and look like a firework explosion so I know it couldn't be a Zinnia. I'm extremely curious as to why the parent plant produced a completely different flower/species, etc, going by the buds and leaf shapes. The second flower on the plant of which I grew from the seed is blooming so I will see in a few days if the first bloom (seen here: >>341179 is an anomaly or perhaps it will look the same as the second flower).

If you look at >>341175, in the top middle is a white beam and to the right is a hose faucet. If you move slightly to the right, past the shrink-wrapped pallet with 7 or 8 brown boxes, just to the right of that is the flowerhead with the dying bloom (just to the left of a stem that goes above the top of the picture) that I deadheaded (I snipped off the top stem with my fingernails, put the flower in my pocket, let it dry for a week then I planted the seeds. I made sure to check what a Scabiosa seed looks like and indeed it loooked exactly like one, not a Zinnia seed (I am also familiar with those). I have no idea why I got a completely different plant from the parent!

Thanks for the lead though... That is a different Zinnia I am not familiar with and it does look sort of similar to my unknown plant/flowers.

Also, if it helps anybody else to get a possible ID, I am in Zone 10A (Southern California). I tried 5 or 6 'flower identification tools' and came up with nothing. It has about 15 petals, and the inside looks like a Marigold bloom (Tiger Eyes variety). I went to Wal Mart earlier and looked at the 200+ varieties of Burpee seeds on the packages and not one of them matched my unknown flower so hopefully someone out there knows what it is and how a parent Scabiosa plant produced this result.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 16:19:30 No.341320 Report

Quoted By: >>341362

>>341313

Did you direct seed in that pot? Where's the soil from?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 17:43:17 No.341362 Report

Quoted By: >>341377

>>341320
No, I put a seed in a jiffy pellet and mini greenhouse then transplanted it to a jiffy 2.5" peat pot then it got too big so I finally put it into that pot you see in the picture. It is miracle gro moisture control soil. The plant is very fussy if I don't water it just one day, then it will start to wilt. You can see some of the brown leaves from some parts that didn't recover but the plant as a whole is good now.

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Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 18:34:43 No.341377 Report

Quoted By:

>>341362

Pic is "zinnia marylandica", variety "Zahara Sunburst". A lot of the flower anatomy looks correct to me- I wish this photo had a bit more focus, however in the foreground center of the flower. That plus the leaves, with their veining and shape, and the buds with the rounded features and the way that bud is opening makes me think Zinnia.

The upper leaves should taste very very faintly like cucumber or just vegetative, and if you rub the tops of the leaves up towards the stem it should be more difficult than away from the stem. Both sides of the leaves should be hairy, with the bottom side having less directionality. However, that's on my variety of zinnia

I'll quit saying it's zinnia now. It's certainly true there are a lot of look-alikes in the plant world.

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Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 21:28:21 No.341418 Report

Quoted By: >>341420 >>341423 >>341424

Someone on the /o/ /dbt/ told me about this thread. Just planted some habanero seeds recently and today I found that a couple of them have sprouted and are above the surface now. Pic related.

Never grown anything before in my life, so complete noob but excited to grow my own peppers.

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Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 21:29:50 No.341420 Report

Quoted By: >>341423 >>341437

>>341418
Also bought a pre-started jalapeno plant but it started growing some flowers. One leaf has turned a little yellow, does that mean I'm not watering it enough?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 21:46:54 No.341423 Report

Quoted By: >>341464

>>341418
>>341420
that was me
yellowing leaves can actuially mean too much water even though the top of the dirt may be dry the lower dirt may still be moist stick your finger in all the way and if it feels still wet you may not need to water it
usually when im growing peppers i don't water them until the leaves start drooping it a bit
and from the picture yours looks a tad bit wet
if that turns out to not be it it could be a ph problem but i would try watering it a tad bit less often and seeing if that helps
my strawberry plant is starting to produce and its wonderful having fresh berries from time to time

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Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 21:50:00 No.341424 Report

Quoted By: >>341426 >>341464

>>341418
Congratulations! I remember the first time I ever bought seeds, I was maybe 14 or 15 and I bought them just to see if I could grow anything. The seeds were 10 cents a pack in 2001/2002 so I figured I had nothing to lose. I ended up growing tomatoes like fucking crazy.. I had somewhere between 75-90 plants from what I remember and I could not stop growing things. I know how exciting it is to watch stuff sprout.

That said, let me give you a warning and a heads up... I'm guessing you dumped/scattered seeds all over the pot, right? I did that too and you need to be careful because if you let them get bigger, the roots will choke and kill the other seedlings. The seed packs talk about 'thinning' (e.g. kill off all but your strongest seedling) but I HATE that and prefer not to be a monster so I space the seeds out according to the directions or as if I was growing them in their permanent home. Someone else might be able to get you better advice but I would suggest using a scoop to go at least 5 inches below the soil (so you don't cut the roots) then use water to turn the soil into 'mush' that way you can expose the seedling and the root without hurting it, then space the peppers 1 to 2 feet apart at the least so each one will grow healthy and not choke the roots of the others when they get bigger. Also, peppers are a little different from other plants because it can take them up to 20 days to sprout if the humidity and temperature isn't right for them. They are very picky and thrive in heat and humidity. I'm growing 3 myself (two Peruvian Aji pepper plants and one Burpee Chinese Giant Herloom Sweet Peppers. The Aji took almost 3 weeks to sprout and I placed them direct in the soil as I had no luck starting them indoors. The sweet pepper I was lucky and it took 8 days to sprout indoors

Another thing you can do is use a plastic or butter knife to 'cut' a square around the area of the seedling then dig it out and transplant so you don't disturb the other seedlings

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Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 21:53:34 No.341426 Report

Quoted By: >>341429 >>341433 >>341438 >>341880

>>341424
i feel the same way
when i planted my cucumbers way more seeds grew than normally so i had to pull them out but just couldn't get rid of them now i'v got 10 seedlings in these little things and i have no clue what to do with them
any clue what i should do with them?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 22:01:23 No.341429 Report

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>>341426
sorry 12 i just cant into math

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Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 22:16:04 No.341433 Report

Quoted By: >>341434 >>341439

>>341426
Where do you live? A house or an apartment? If you have a house, check your horticultural hardiness zone and let us know so we can assist you more. Its not too late to work the soil and get it ready for them. I don't grow cucumbers however I did grow a zucchini/squash plant this year and I believe they are in the same family. I wish I grew more because the plant's flowers are not 'perfect' (definition of a 'perfect' flower is one that has male and female parts so it fertilizes itself like tomatoes). Zucchinis (and I'm guessing cucumbers too) need outside pollinators like bees and the plant produces more female than male flowers so I 'could' have gotten more zucchinis had they been pollinated right. I did manage to get three MONSTERS. The biggest one is 17" and weighs 4.4 lbs and went from flower to fruit in 16 days

If you have the space in the backyard, I'd say plant them all there so you'll attract the bees who like the flowers and you'll double or quadruple your crop with the extra male flowers and the pollination that would occur. Do you know what variety of cucumbers you have? That is another thing.. you 'might' be able to grow them in pots but don't push your luck because if the pot is too small the roots will choke eachother

But yeah please don't be a monster and don't kill any of the plants. I live by a methodology where if I know I can't take care of each seed that potentially grows into a plant, I refuse to plant more than one seed and I can wait a week or two to plant another one so I don't run into problems of not knowing where to put the plants. An alternative you could do is give them to a good friend (not a lazy one who won't water them and they'll die) who is a gardener or you could even sell them on craigs list or give them away if need be. When I planted my tomatoes this year, I put one Supersteak Hybrid seed it and two plants (twins) came out and I refused to kill or get rid of it and now both are about 6 feet tall. Always care for life!

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Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 22:21:01 No.341434 Report

Quoted By: >>341448

>>341433
im in a house but im growing in pots
the land i have for gardening here is absolute shit and very little will grow and its a ton of work
the pots have good soil in them so stuff grows and i already have more than i would like im going to end up harvesting most of them for seeds and im going to be giving a way a ton i already have 4 big pots full i weeded these out of the pots already
for the variety they are some sort of pickle bush variety so they are the little pickling kind

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Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 22:41:43 No.341437 Report

Quoted By: >>341464

>>341420
that just looks like a lower leaf thatll fall off on its own
i wouldnt worry about it unless the others start to yellow

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Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 22:42:46 No.341438 Report

Quoted By: >>341440

>>341426
train them up a makeshift trellis or let them run along the ground if you have the room

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Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 22:44:05 No.341439 Report

Quoted By: >>341448

>>341433
that is some soggy ass soil what happened there

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Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 22:44:49 No.341440 Report

Quoted By: >>341497

>>341438
i dont have any more large pots to grow them at and i dont have much room to grow them elsewhere
the soil in my garden is so terrible i can barley grow potatoes and its a mess

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Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 23:12:00 No.341448 Report

Quoted By: >>341456

>>341434
Do you know what is the exact variety or what is the seed manufacturer and type so I can look it up for you and help you out.. Also, we need your horticultural zone http://planthardiness.ars.usda.gov/PHZMWeb/ I'm in Southern California where is it almost always hot, warm, or mild so as long as I mulch and protect the plants they can grow through the winter and for god knows how long. Trust me, I did ALOT of work digging up the soil (about 2-3 ft deep), took roots out, added fertilizer, tested the pH and NPK and I got a really nice workout doing it too. As a tip, you can sell the 'extra' harvest on CL or another place too. Check out your local places for 'seasonal sales' where you can buy extra pots for dirt cheap. If I knew more about cucumbers, I'd be able to help but all I know is from my zucchini/squash and that they are in the same family so I'm guessing you would benefit tremendously from having more than one plant when they begin to flower

>>341439
I live in Southern California. Every morning at 6 or 7AM I wake up and water all my plants as well as take pictures of them each day so I can see the progress, note pest damage, watch out for diseases, see how long it takes to grow, etc. I took that picture right after I had just watered the plant. It looks bad there but 2 or 3 hours from that moment, the soil quickly dries and I water it 2-3 times a day when its hot (we have 90F+ temperatures so I water once in the evening, once at night, and if need be, around the afternoon I'll water it. I use a ~2Gal watering can and distribute it evenly to this bed. It was 'supposed' to be a 'three sisters' variant with corn, zucchini, and pinto beans but I'm fighting a horrific caterpillar infestation and also, I'm moving out of my folks place because I need work/money so I'm scrambling to figure out how to water all my plants when I'm gone. I'm currently working on a drip irrigation system but can someone recommend me a great auto-watering timer box with 2 outlets?

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Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 23:27:56 No.341456 Report

Quoted By: >>341462

>>341448
dont worry about it il get around to cleaning out some old pots or cleaning my garden out this upcoming weekend along with trying to get some strawberry seeds

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Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 23:40:30 No.341462 Report

Quoted By: >>341489

>>341456
Psshh... shit, if you can get strawberry seeds to grow, I would be highly impressed.. I tried and wanted to do it so badly... I got about 300 or so and had a plan all laid out on growing them in an Earthbox but they never sprouted. In fact, the strawberry seeds as well as some raspberry seeds are still in my room in a self-watering mini greenhouse in the rare case that something does sprout. I tried cold stratification (put the seeds in the freezer for 2 months to simulate the winter then took em out and waited for them to grow, after a month, I gave up and resowed the same number of raspberry and strawberry seeds (this time with no cold stratification) to see if they'd grow and nothing. Berries are notoriously difficult to grow so good luck and if you do get them to sprout, tell me how you did it! I'll try my luck with them again next fall I suppose.

Also, when cleaning out old pots, use lots of soap and water, and mix 1 part bleach to 10 parts soapy water to be absolutely sure you kill any fungus, disease, bacteria, and other nasty shit that can kill your plants! Its very important to sterilize old pots, cages, stakes, etc if you plan on reusing them!

Since you won't tell me the name, where did you get the seeds? Were these commercially obtained (e.g. in a pack of seeds) or did you get them elsewhere? I have the best luck with Burpee seeds over all others, although 10+ years ago, I grew those 10 cent seed packs (American Seed Company) like nothing! I haven't had as great luck with them this year as I did in the past. You might want to try eBay for the Strawberry seeds (where I got mine) but my germination rate from eBay bought seeds is terribly bad so I don't know if people sell bad seeds there or if its something else (not just berries but other stuff I bought like Society Garlic, Bee Balm, Yarrow, Tansy, and Wormwood) I sowed about 50 seeds so far and only got one wormwood plant (still alive today) and a Tansy sprout but it died off sadly due to moss

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Anonymous Tue 01 Jul 2014 23:51:52 No.341464 Report

Quoted By: >>341468

>>341423
Thanks for the info. Congrats on the strawberries. I literally just poured a bit of water in there, but you're probably right about it being moist under the surface still. I'll back off on the water a bit.

>>341424
Also thanks for the info. Yea, I just spread them out in the pot. Kinda thought about that after but figured I'd just see how it goes. Once they start growing a little (so I can pinpoint them) I'll transplant them into different pots.

Right now I have the habaneros going inside (per seed packet instructions) and it has been maybe a week tops. The jalapeno plant is out in my back "yard".

>>341437
Ok, thanks. I'll keep an eye on it. While that leaf has turned yellow, those flowers are pretty new, so I figure that's a good sign at least.

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2014 00:06:10 No.341468 Report

Quoted By: >>341475

>>341464
Yellow leaves could mean a whole host of things... I would need to know your watering habits where you live, temperature, horticultural zone, when you water, what soil you used, etc. Yellow leaves can be chlorosis (not enough sunlight), also improper pH. No idea about watering and if that has an effect; I take it for granted because I really don't change the watering habits as I know my climate and area very well and it really doesn't change much. Also, invest in a pH/NPK test kit. I got one (which contains 10 individual tests for NPK, and pH for $12 on eBay) and I know EXACTLY whats happening in the soil. I also successfully calculated and engineered a once 7.6 pH soil to get down to 6.3 pH which was what I wanted. Strawberries and raspberries LOVE acidic soil (around pH of 5-5.5) so be sure to know that as well. Peppers and tomatoes like 6.0-6.5.

Seriously be careful with the sprouts! I hope you didn't dump the whole pack out onto the soil because you're going to have to find homes for potentially every seedling or a place in the yard so you should get started ASAP on working the soil (go about 2 feet deep, make the soil soft and remove rocks and roots so the pepper roots can get deeper into the soil). Did you buy the American Seed Company Habanero Seeds? I saw them for 20 cents and got 3 packs but I'm moving soon and don't have time and a place to put them, plus I'm stressing about all the plants that are currently in the ground now and I'm working on installing a drip irrigation system with a auto-watering timer that way they'll be fine during the week then I can come home over the weekend and just prune, harvest, and fertilize. You're supposed to start seeds indoors during the winter so they are about 3-4 inches tall by spring and you can transplant em. If its not too cold where you live, you can direct sow by now as its July. Pay heed to the spacing requirements and also watch out incase you do see a seed that sprouts 'later' in the ground!

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2014 00:23:20 No.341475 Report

Quoted By: >>341481

>>341468
I'll just keep an eye on it, I think it should be ok. The rest of the plant is nice and green.

I live in Monterey, CA so weather is typically cool, somewhat humid, and only rains a little bit in the winter each year. Would have to go look at the soil bag, but it was specifically for growing fruit and vegetables according to the package. I typically water ~1/day just a little bit but have skipped a day here and there. Should I water around the same time each day? I've been just winging it really.

I'll check out one of those kits.

I bought a packet of Ferry-Morse habanero seeds, and yea I derped and spread them out in that single pot. Guess I'll be shopping for some more pots shortly. hah Can't remember exactly but didn't seem like there were all that many seeds in the packet, it says 250mg.

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2014 00:37:23 No.341481 Report

Quoted By: >>341489 >>341880

>>341475
Oh, very cool! I'm in Los Angeles, just south of you... checked out your horticultural zone (its also 10A so I can tell you ALOT now). If you're near the coastline and get the marine layer, it will be perfectly humid and your peppers will love that, it will also keep the sun from causing damage, but peppers thrive in 80F+ weather. My sweet pepper was about 6-7" for two months, then around the end of May, it propped another few inches and is now 1.5 feet and beginning to flower. Theres been 95-100F days here and there and I know the peppers love that. Mine is in the ground and I also use Miracle Gro tomato fertilizer (tomatoes and peppers are in the same family so whats good for tomatoes is usually good for peppers) and it is an 18-18-21 NPK. For peppers and tomatoes, be SURE to keep the P and K levels higher than N (1st number) or else you're going to get all leaves and no flowers or fruit. P (middle number) encourages flowers and blooming so you want that and K is good for the roots, transport of nutrients, structure, etc. I put 1.5 tablespoons of it in 2 Gal of water and fertilize only on Sundays and the plants know when its time. I started the seeds at the end of March, now I have three 6 feet tall tomato plants and the pepper is 'getting there'. Thats SoCal climate for you! Be sure to mulch (wood chips and bark) the plants when they are about 2 feet tall. This helps you sight pests crawling to the plants and is 'sharp' to some (wood chips) as well as retains the moisture underneath the soil so you won't have to water as much. It also protects against the cold which is good too! I'm taking care of my mom's tomato plant which is over a year old (1.5 years) and really shouldn't 'happen' because the cold was supposed to kill it off over the winter. The mulch protects the roots from the cold as well as the California climate. The better you take care of the plants, the longer they will live. Ferry Morse is a great brand, I use their stuff too.

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2014 00:47:01 No.341489 Report

Quoted By: >>341511 >>341880

>>341481
try not to smother the new guy lol you seem very helpfull though
>>341462
cucumber seeds were burpee just whatever i grabbed at the closest store
they grew way more than expected ( i may have used a whole fuckton of worm casings)
on the topic of strawberries i got a small plant for free and planted it im going to try to pick the seeds from it and replant it if i get any germination i have one thats almost ready to be eaten ( see the previous picture) so il get some seeds from that
i just spent 30 min sifting worm casings so it was much finer i figured it may be good to put new sprouts in to get them to grow pretty quickly before actuially planting them

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2014 00:54:01 No.341497 Report

Quoted By: >>341499

>>341440
have you tried tilling in a lot of compost/manure/peat into your existing soil?

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2014 00:56:27 No.341499 Report

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>>341497
tried it a few years back but it doesnt get much sun at all and one type of weed always overtakes it if i leave it for more than a couple weeks

i have some older pots out in the woods but i need to clean them out and refill them with dirt

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2014 01:13:14 No.341511 Report

Quoted By: >>341513

>>341489
Haha yeah, I love helping people out, plus /out/ answered a few of my questions in this thread and helped me so I'm just returning the favor back and helping others. You can get totally lost and immersed in gardening and it goes from being a hobby to the total merging or art and science.

For your cucumber seeds, I know Burpee puts a design of a pot with a checkmark through it on the bottom right corner of the front of the packs if it is suitable for container growing so hopefully yours is like that. I'm close to having trouble with a 7 feet tall tomato plant that is outgrowing its pot/container and its too tall/too much fruit/too heavy to transplant so its a tricky situation and yo don't want to be in something like this so be sure to get a pot just 'slightly' larger than the recommended size incase. I engineered my box too well with nutrients and the growth of the plants in it is getting too large and might be a problem. With my zucchini, I use the 'standard' Miracle Gro All-Purpose fertilizer (24-8-16) since I know that family uses lots of nitrogen, but you don't want to overload it or else no flowers and no fruit so I add in a teaspoon of 'bloom booster' (10-60-10) which significantly puts the Potassium level up and the flowers produce. They open early in the morning only and the bees love them. Heres one I saw the other morning.

Not sure where you live but in Zone 10a, Strawberries aren't good to be grown in this area and climate. I tried growing them in the ground and they got 'red stele' which is a nasty virus that is like cancer to strawberry plants. Container growing is a different story and you have control over those factors. Be aware of 'cold stratification' (you absolutely have to 'simulate winter' for the berries and they have to experience a dormancy/cold period before they can grow) I tried it with both the raspberry and strawberry seeds (seeds put in freezer for 2 months) but nothing happened. You might have better luck than I did though!

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2014 01:16:48 No.341513 Report

Quoted By: >>341519

>>341511
im in central ct and it clearly isnt the best for strawberries
just checked the packaging and its pepino picklebush and it is okay to grow in pots
plus they are 10-17 gallon pots and i havnt ever had issues before
i use worm casings for fertilizer and it seems to work

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2014 01:31:22 No.341519 Report

Quoted By: >>341540 >>341694

>>341513
I know the East Coast has lots of rain, storms, and snow so yeah, that can't possibly be good for plants there but good thing you're using pots so you can have some control over them and hopefully could bring them inside when the weather gets bad. Just mulch the plant in the pot for added protection. Also, be aware that strawberries need pollinators (bees) if you want the fruit. You 'might' be able to use a paintbrush to pollinate as an alternative, but the natural way is always best.

I've seen earthworm castings and know they are used in compost piles but I didn't know you could use them as fertilizer. I imagine they are rich in nitrogen. You also want to be sure your plants get the Phosphorous and Potassium as well for the flowers and growth/development. I'd recommend checking the brand 'Espoma' (fully organic fertilizers for tomatoes, vegetables, flowers, all-purpose, roses, etc) and they even add beneficial bacteria in the bags which helps the plant by going directly to the roots and they bring in essential nutrients and water for your plants. I've had great results with them. Also, take your eggshells and crush them, then add that to the pots and it does two things; first, it adds calcium to the soil and for the plant which is essential when you get big fruits and if you want the flowers to blossom to fruits. The next thing the eggshells do is the edges are very sharp, almost like glass shards to pests so if they walk over them, chances are you will be killing aphids, caterpillars, or other nuisance pests if they land on the sharp points.

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2014 01:41:26 No.341523 Report

Quoted By: >>341527

>>340837
Please advise, I am not a clever man.

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2014 01:49:33 No.341527 Report

Quoted By: >>341531

>>341523
Go to Wal Mart, go to the hardware/electrical/lighting section. There, you'll see stuff like UV lights, bug lights, regular lightbulbs, and you want to look for a specific one called a "grow light". I bought two of them, it comes with about a 2ft long plastic casing and the bulb included. Each one was $10. A replacement 'plant light bulb' was about $7 so I figured for the extra $3, I might as well get the casing too. Its all white and has a 'diffuser' (plastic covering over the edges to diffuse light evenly) but I just took it off and let the light shine directly over the plant.

Be sure to know what you're growing that might have specific light requirements. Although it 'is' light, those plant lights are nothing compared to the sun so you want to be sure the plants get a little bit of indirect sunlight until they are old enough to go outside for hours at a time until they are ready to get light from the sun on their own.

Also if it helps, Wal Mart probably gets the same ones and stocks them through the US from the same manufacturer and I think the brand was by 'Lights of America' and it claims to be a 75W bulb but only consumes 23W of power. I used a Jiffy Mini Greenhouse with the plastic dome and put the grow light right on top of the dome so it was about 4-5" above the peat pellets and seedlings. Hope this helps!

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2014 02:03:23 No.341531 Report

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>>341527
Much obliged. Hopefully by next year I'll be able to grow something to contribute in these threads.

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2014 02:33:19 No.341540 Report

Quoted By: >>341542

>>341519
Eh, I live in the Northeast and my stuff grows fine.

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2014 02:38:56 No.341542 Report

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>>341540
As long as you know your area, the climate, and what to expect, its really like when you learn to drive stick or when you learn how to ride a bike... everything flows easily and you know what to do and expect I guess. I suppose it would be hard for someone who moves to a different area with a different climate and horticultural zone... it would be a matter of the person getting used to their new surroundings rather than their gardening skills.

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2014 14:01:00 No.341694 Report

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>>341519
i live on the the east coast and the only problem i have with the tons of rain i get is with a few young plants like peppers or tomatoes
if i plant them outside before the main stem gets woody the rain is likely to snap them in half
most plants dont have that problem tho only a few

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2014 16:06:30 No.341725 Report

Quoted By: >>341750

Hi /out/, I live in a first floor flat and over the last few months have made a few purchases to take care of my massive garden.
Originally the lawn was filled with moss/weeds and a lot of the grass was dying, I've removed most of the moss and was going to plant seed, however It's not really rained like it should for the last 3-4 weeks due to summer weather.

So I cracked and bought a hose set. Now, I live in a first floor flat and my garden is absolutely massive. I have 50m of Garden hose and it is just a bit too much, and quite heavy to coil/carry each time.
Sadly I can't fit an outdoor tap where I live, and not from my first floor.

What I'd like to know is:
Is it possible to cut a length of hose to drop down to the ground floor of my garden and terminate in such a way that I can connect the bulk of my hose separately?
I'd like to do this as I plan to plant some grass seed soon with topsoil, but watering could be a huge pain if I have to throw and coil the 50m hose every time from my flat.

Thanks /out/!

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2014 16:54:16 No.341735 Report

Quoted By: >>341737 >>341883

>>338985
Lots of stuff is fruiting now. I counted 15 cabbage moths flitting around above the kale today. Everything is growing like crazy. The painted mountain corn is showing signs of tassels now.

>Error: Your image contains an embedded file.

Hurrrr.

>>340390
>Hey guys, I recently finished a raised garden container inspired by this >>338985.

=D

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2014 16:58:41 No.341737 Report

Quoted By: >>341883 >>341925

>>341735
How did you make that collage? I want to show /out/ my progress too and not spam everything in a series of individual images. However you did it, I wanna know too. Also, you inspired me with those bricks and that setup. I saw that post earlier and really like it, no idea that it was already a done deal and you made so much progress already. Very, very nice! Also, watch out for those fucking cabbage moths... you might have a caterpillar problem like me and it gets BAD... I'm still working off fighing them. I sprayed malathion the other night and will wait, then I'm going to follow up with a treatment of BT. I also keep two baseball bats near the plants whenever I see the cabbage butterflies nearby to take them out before they lay the eggs.

Also, those 'U-loops' connecting to the holes is ingenious!! I will try that one day too! I'm guessing you used thin PVC piping, right? Do you ever cover the plants?

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2014 17:51:04 No.341750 Report

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>>341725
Figured it out with a bit of help from someone else.
Got two stop end connectors fitted to the end of each length of hose, and fitted two regular ones to the other side. Gonna connect those with a double male connector and hopefully it should work.
Lost about 5 metres of hose too, and I'm sure I can lose a bit more tomorrow.

Do you feel hose reels are necessary when working with longer lengths of hose >25m? or is there an easier way to keep the hose together quick and pain free without kinks?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2014 18:42:47 No.341769 Report

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>>335992
You're probably gone now but I put something called osmocote or something on them. No more than like 10 beads or so like directed.
Also I moved them to a brighter spot, I need to thank anon on that. I was worried if I moved them closer it'd scald them but now my original is sprouting its first "bloom" thing. I'm so fucking excited.

Only thing is I'm annoyed by the fuzzy white mould growing on the top of the soil. I put cinnamon on it as a plant forum I googled recommended weeks ago but its still don't budging.

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2014 18:47:04 No.341771 Report

Quoted By: >>341773 >>341776 >>341925

Raised Bed Anon from these posts >>340390 >>340430
Quick question: After putting in the wood for the
hugelkultur portion of my raised bed, I began to put in the compost and found pic related. What are these wormlike things in the center? Should I be worried about putting them into my garden and what they may do to my plants?

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2014 18:53:30 No.341773 Report

Quoted By: >>341790

>>341771
Are they dead or alive? I don't know about compost piles but I do know that people will add earthworms to them to make them 'sing' with nutrients. If they came in there from nature and those are indeed earthworms, thats probably a good sign but I have no idea if that is what they are or how they got there. Be careful incase its larva from a pest or something that could harm your crops and soil.

Also, something I did when I worked out a garden space was I read a website that said 'do the earthworm test' which is, when preparing a bed or space, dig up the soil 2-3 feet below in about a shovelful of dirt. If you find 10 or more earthworms, you are in good space and have great soil. 5 means your soil is ok but could use more organic matter and amendments. Anything less, watch out as the soil is more than likely depleted of nutrients or is too harsh for them to visit you (e.g. soil is too packed or theres too many rocks, etc)

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2014 18:56:40 No.341776 Report

Quoted By: >>341790

>>341771
Those kind of look like meal worms, in which case they're pretty good for the compost. Some people use them in place of worms in vermiculture set ups. That being said, I have no idea if they eat still living plants or not, you might try google for that. Worst case you have to spend a little time picking them out, but you could throw them into a compost pile when you do and they'd really help speed things along.

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2014 19:16:50 No.341790 Report

Quoted By: >>341829

>>341773
They're not moving, but they dont look dead either. Worms are nocturnal right? They might be asleep now that I think about it.
>>341776
http://insected.arizona (DOT) edu/mealinfo.htm
According to the first result of a startpage search, they're mainly composters, but occasionally DO eat seedlings. These mealworms are all over my compost, so I'm not sure weather to go ahead and use the compost or not.

Dumping project pics.

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2014 19:43:20 No.341829 Report

Quoted By: >>341873

>>341790
Depends. I've seen 'dormant' mealworms when they are sold at department stores in the fishing section as bait. They keep them in refrigerators to put them into a stasis until they warm up to room temperature and begin to move. Also, watch out that those aren't white grubs (the larvae of japanese beetles). They kind of look similar. I see green fucking caterpillars in the day and at night so I don't know if 'all' worms are nocturnal. If you pick one up, it 'should' try and squirm away in defense but I don't know.

Not sure who told you about the wood or why but watch out.. I made some cactus mix using miracle gro soil, sand, peat, and vermiculite and was told to take the wood bark and wood chips out of the miracle gro soil (it comes with quite the number of it) as it depletes and 'robs' the nitrogen from the plant as well as plays around with the pH of the soil temporarily making it acidic then theres a rebound effect.

Something you could do with the compost is go and buy a throwaway metal screen with 1/4" square holes (or smaller) such as a 'BBQ wok' and use that to filter out any big chunks of wood or the worms all while allowing the 'good' stuff to pass through into a bucket, then throw that into your bed and toss the mealworms back into the compost heap.

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2014 20:24:52 No.341873 Report

Quoted By: >>341883

>>341829
I'll filter the worms using the leftover scrren from here>>340430. Good idea for the filter, thanks!

As for the wood, this anon piqued my interest about hugelkultur (>>340408) and after looking into it, I decided to use it for a season with my raised bed. It's supposed to help long-term with soil nutrition and water retention, If it doesn't work out, I'll dig the wood out in a year and till the soil while I'm at it. I'll give you guys updates on how it's going until then.

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2014 20:32:44 No.341880 Report

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>>341481
Thanks for all the info! I guess I need to head down to HD now as upon waking today (went to sleep very late) there are about 20 sprouts in the habanero pot. Yea, I live pretty close to the coast, can see the water from my front door step.

So I should do individual pots? You mentioned ~2 feet deep, but should I transplant them to smaller individual pots first? Seems like a lot of large pots and soil for seedlings. I was thinking of getting something like >>341426
for the time being and then move them into something larger down the road.

>>341489
Heh it's a lot of info but appreciated.

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2014 20:39:56 No.341883 Report

Quoted By: >>341903 >>341925

>>341873
I got to the thread late to ask a question I had so I didn't get a chance to read the entire thread so I'll look at what the earlier posts said and did.

I'm confused... so is this you in this post: >>341735? If so, I had a question for you here: >>341737 regarding how you made that collage because I want to make one with my progress and so I can ask /out/ a bunch of questions in a post rather than separate ones.

So, underneath your bed is that screen there along with the weed barrier? What are you growing? It seems counterproductive if you get a giant taproot trying to squeeze through those tiny holes or the barrier preventing blockage. Its a genius idea, if and only if you know your plant root depth can theoretically not go deeper than that. Also, look up the effects on adding wood to soil and beds, it could also be due to soil and climate variations from where we both live. It was a BITCH for me to find a filter (I used it for preparing a bed, that I want to show you guys but I need to make a collage of my progress) to filter rocks and dead roots and leave only fluffy soil behind and I went to Wal Mart and found the perfect screen with handles (the BBQ Wok) so I could shovel into the wok then shake the dirt through.

I'm not sure where you live but be wary that 'a season' could last a very long time.. in Southern California, I have a tomato plant I am caring for for my mom which is already 1.5 years old and usually, tomato plants die in winter but its so mild, I've heard they can last years and years so watch out if the wood impedes progress in the years to come.

>>341880
Hah! See, I told you! It might be better to dig the ones out now that have sprouted and be verrryy careful not to cut the roots or else you're going to have 'spaghetti' with roots crossing one another when they get older. I had to do 'emergency surgery' a few times separating herb seedlings but I did it when they were about an inch tall, before it was too late and were older! (1/2)

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2014 20:46:08 No.341888 Report

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>>341880
thoes are simple flower things that i grabbed from a nearby landscaping company from their trash pile and they work great for holding plants up to 4-6 inches tall atleast
i would suggest taking them out asap so as the other anon said you dont get spaghetti roots
i just finished picking all of the seeds out of one of my slightly over fresh strawberries
i threw the seeds in the freezer and will take them out in 2-4 weeks to see if i can get them to germinate
also i threw a cheap gimmicky tomato grower thing in one of my pots ( i got it for free) and there are already tons of seedlings and sprouts sadly i wont be able to transplant them to other pots ( because of how the gimickey thing was set up) so il ust have to kill off the smaller ones

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2014 20:58:34 No.341898 Report

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>>341880 (2/2)
You must be getting great weather and climate if you're getting all those spouts like that, or the potting soil might be good. I used 'jiffy pellets' before direct-sow and those don't have any nutrients in there, also the weather might have impeded mine from sprouting as quickly as yours did. At Home Depot (I went to mine yesterday), they have 3 bags of wood chips/mulch for $10 which is a good price. I actually got 4/$10 a month ago when they had a sale and got 8 bags. Stock up when they have sales, it saves you money in the long run and if you use alot of it!

You can do Jiffy Peat Pots (get the 3" diameter or larger ones) and put them in there. Once they grow 4-6 sets of leaves and are about a foot tall, they should be ready to go outside, then you rip the bottom of the pot off and put the whole thing in the ground (peat pot decomposes and the walls provide a barrier, letting only the roots extend below ground). It depends on your weather when you want to transplant but it might also be safe to keep them in pots now while they are young then you gradually get them used to outdoors over time until they are ready.

I said 2 feet deep because as a rule of thumb, you find out the distance the roots of whatever plant you are growing will go down (tomatoes and peppers average 1ft for smaller varieties) then you 'double' that distance (within reason) to dig. I went down about 4-5 feet in a 5'x5' space because I'm growing tomatoes with huge fruits so they have a taproot that extends deeper than normal, necessary for keeping the plant upright from the weight of all the heavy fruits (each one is 1-2 lbs average) and you can get 50+ fruits growing at once too.

Get the bed ready now (it also takes a month to change the pH and for soil amendments to kick in properly so as to not 'shock' the plant if its a sudden change. Also, plants like sulfur, but in small amounts. If you add it 'after' they start growing, you could kill them so you add it all in beforehand

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2014 21:03:42 No.341903 Report

Quoted By: >>341911

>>341883
Not me, that anon's replying to one of my posts though. I live in VA, so a season wont last too long anyway.

Anyways, I'm pretty new to raised beds and gardening in general, so I think I overthought weed and pest protection for my garden.

The screen was to prevent moles and burrowing creatures and the mesh was to prevent weeds. Unfortunately, I'm only now realizing I probably didn't need either with a layer of dirt and logs sitting on it. Oh well, experience to make the next one better!

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2014 21:08:02 No.341906 Report

Quoted By: >>341912

>>341888
I mentioned the other post regarding the spaghetti also the strawberry seeds last night. If you can get them to grow, I will be totally jealous of you and inspired to get them to grow myself. Did you look up 'cold stratification'? You get a wet paper towel cut in a tiny rectangle (slightly moist) then put one or two seeds on it, fold it in half so it becomes a 'square' then put it in a ziplock bag and squeeze all the air out of it and put that in the freezer for 2-4 months then bring it out when its 'ready'. I tried it but it didn't work for me, it could also be the soil I used (peat pellets have no nutrients so that could be another reason why mine never sprouted both with and without the cold stratify) and its too late now for me to retest this so in the fall I will.

I also found this video after the fact: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmCPNv0sSTI regarding extracting strawberry seeds (when and how to do it) as well as how to get them to sprout. I wish I'd seen this before I tried my luck with it, maybe it will help you and others who are attempting to grow berries from seed; its perhaps one of the hardest things to do, but also the most rewarding if you can get it to work!

Also seriously, don't kill the seedlings! Go on CL and give them away in the 'free stuff' section or sell em a dollar each to a friend or something Another thing is, even though you get a plant growing less than a foot thinking it will make its way to adulthood thats not even guaranteed so it might be best to hold onto a few right before you transplant and know they are suitable outdoors and are alive. You can also make more money by selling more established/larger tomato plants than a sapling

Also, remember the golden rule of '1 seed = 1 plant' next time so you don't end up like this. At worst, I had one tomato plant extra (2 came from one seed somehow) and it was manageable to change my design plans to add it in, but having 10+ can be stressful! Do what you can to NOT kill them!

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2014 21:12:35 No.341911 Report

Quoted By: >>341928

>>341903
Hmmmm yeah for moles (I don't have them here) I could see how the screen would be a good thing. It seems to be for the good and something that happened to me was it rained like crazy one week, then there was a 2 week heat and dryspell so I stupidly put the hose in my raised bed and 'collapsed' the underlying dirt layers because of too much water so one corner of my box is 'sunken' and theres dirt streams near that place.

That said, just know that over time, water will carry things further out (maybe not as dramatic as my event) so it might have been for the better to keep that screen in place because the wood can 'drift' and leave a column/opening where an underground pest could fit inbetween and ruin your plants. That screen seems like a reasonable and perfect defense against moles and also if you know your roots won't extend that deep or get choked/cut by the square holes

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2014 21:15:00 No.341912 Report

Quoted By: >>341923

>>341906
iv watched a ton of thoes videos on strawberry growing from seeds
with the tomato it was some cheap gimickey thing that was a roll of some biodegradable something or other that had seeds embedded in it im going to do my best to get them out and plant them elsewhere but all of the seeds are embedded in this thing that is quite tough to pill apart without unearthing everything and taking scisors to it

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2014 21:25:25 No.341923 Report

Quoted By: >>341931

>>341912
I think you mean one of those 'seed rockets' or 'tomato rocket' its a rolled up/carpet thing you add water to and watch all the seeds sprout from it, right? Seems like thats what you have. I've seen those things for sale but have never used one before. What you could do is wait until the tomatoes have at least 2 sets of true leaves (not the first ones to appear) so they are a little older and have stronger root systems then you could afford the be slightly more 'aggressive' in pulling them and spare a small chunk of a root versus the very first and only one it has when it is a seedling that has just emerged. Also, tomatoes are I think the only plant in nature to have this capability but if you've seen the tiny little hairs on a tomato stem, those things are capable of turning into roots! They say when you're about to transplant, you bury the plant about an inch and a half to 2 inches before the true leaves and that once green stem turns into sets of roots and strengthens the root system establishment to keep the plant firmly grounded. Just be a 'gentle giant' and watch your strength when pulling them though because it might not seem like much, but you can accidentally kill plants that way if you aren't too careful.

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2014 21:28:17 No.341925 Report

Quoted By: >>341933 >>341935

>>341737
>How did you make that collage?

I use 2 programs, since I no longer have Photoshop installed. I use IrfanView (free download) to resize them to 1024x768 then I copy and paste them into a single file using MS Paint. Prior to that, I would normally use Photoshop to paste them into 1 file then resize the entire file. I really need to reinstall it. There are other programs and Photoshop plugins you can get to make collages automatically.

>Also, those 'U-loops' connecting to the holes is ingenious!! I will try that one day too! I'm guessing you used thin PVC piping, right? Do you ever cover the plants?

Those are discarged natural gas line pipes. They are made of ABS plastic I think. Same plastic that is in use for the polytunnels in this old image. Using 2 sets of hoops I was able to use two layers of 6mil plastic and have an air layer between them. One small electric space heater, a small box fan, and lots of black painted water bottles allowed me to have fresh tomatoes in January and early kale and garlic.

>>341771
Those should be black soldier fly larva. They differ slightly in appearance from place to place. The ones I have where I live are just like those (google some images). Black soldier flies are really awesome composters. They compost faster than red wiggler worms. You can also setup your compost so that they will crawl out and be deposited into a container to feed chickens. I had a setup like that last year.

They are not meal worms. Put them back into your compost.

>>341883
The anon making the new raised beds and the anon that already has a full garden in raised beds are two different people. lol My raised beds don't have anything under them. I did buy lots of landscaping cloth to put under them, but it turned out to be a real pain for a multitude of reasons. So, I tore it out of the only bed I had it in.

Tomato plants where I once worked lasted for 3 years then we removed them, but they were still live and kicking and 75 to 100 feet long.

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2014 21:30:02 No.341928 Report

Quoted By: >>341939 >>341943

>>341911
I hadn't thought about the ground shifting that severely; I was beginning to regret putting the screen in, but now I think it's made my decision for me. I'll plant things with a shallow root system in the existing box and things with a deep root system in another box that I'll make.

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2014 21:31:01 No.341931 Report

Quoted By: >>341943

>>341923
yeah il try that only reason i planted it was because i got it for free and figured i may get something from it
supposed to get some major thunderstorms and im hoping it doesnt drown anything i have

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2014 21:37:41 No.341933 Report

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>>341925
Thanks for telling me about them, anon. I'll filter them out back into the compost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2014 21:39:47 No.341935 Report

Quoted By: >>341939 >>341949

>>341925
On a semi related note, should I put composted soil on the surface of my raised bed, or store-bought topsoil? I thing because I'm planting my seeds near the surface it should be the former, but I'm not sure

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2014 21:43:40 No.341939 Report

Quoted By: >>341942

>>341928
With my raised beds, I didn't use anything to connect the blocks together. That way, when the winters freeze heaves them up or watering sinks them down I can always reset them as needed. There's two spots that need fixing right now and they've been like that for 3 years now. Only this is the first year those sections have had soil in them.

>>341935
Your own composted soil should always be better than store-bought. Just make sure it is properly and fully composted and not still "hot" in either temperature or too-high a nitrogen content. All of my beds, save one, have 2 and 3 year old composted horse manure over top of piles of yard waste. Everything is doing really well.

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2014 21:46:09 No.341942 Report

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>>341939
Thanks! Off to finish putting on the compost then.

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2014 21:46:50 No.341943 Report

Quoted By: >>341944 >>341951

>>341928
Water will shift things over time and the ground 'does' move albeit slowly (e.g. 'plate tectonics' as a somewhat similar example) but in my case, I stupidly flooded and collapsed a corner of the dirt and foundation underground with the garden hose and not paying attention. Also, torrential rain 'can' do this as well but that screen is perfect and you should be good to go provided the underground creatures don't make holes in the screen somehow.

>>341931
>supposed to get some major thunderstorms and im hoping it doesnt drown anything i have
Cut a 1 gal container of milk in half and place it (with the business end facing up) and keep the cap off during the day to let fresh air in as well as fight off above-ground pests. When it rains, close the cap so the plant is protected from the storms and heavy rain beating down on it. Use the opposite end of the container for a similar fashion, except remember to remove it after the rain since it doesn't have an opening and your plants need air. For the potted plants, bring them indoors temporarily or put them under some kind of covering until the storm passes.

You can also put up two same size bamboo sticks on opposite ends, and one longer one in the middle to make an upside down 'V' tent where the water is diverted to the sides and keeps your plants safe from the rain, then reassemble when the next storm comes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2014 21:49:30 No.341944 Report

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>>341943
nah im just growing cucumbers that are super hardy and strawberries that i can bring inside if it gets too bad also tomatoes but i can bring them under an awning

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2014 22:03:47 No.341949 Report

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>>341935
Mix all your soil in (e.g. native soil as well as store-bought and compost) so its a nice, well-mixed, evenly distributed soil mass and so that its not so much of a 'sudden' change if a root were to wander astray from a section of the soil if you had them separated or partitioned out. I can't do compost because of mouse problems as well as dogs in the backyard and its too dirty which has attracted an infestation of caterpillars to my backyard (I was told they come to messy places) and its beyond my control so I had to buy the store-bought compost. I mixed about half a bag in with a bed I prepared then threw about a 2" layer on top for good measure. Also, whenever I transplant, I'll dig a hole and fill half the holespace with compost and throw in a pinch of granular fertilizer as well so the roots of the transplant get established and directly come into contact with the compost and fertilizer. Then, once the transplant is in place, I'll create a 'mound' of compost up to the stem of the plant so theres more than enough to go around should the lower layers get washed away over time.

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2014 22:04:51 No.341951 Report

Quoted By: >>341955

>>341943
I used milk jugs like that to protect my plants from frost this spring. Helped a lot. For a storm, I'd take the lid off and shove a stake down through it to hold it in position.

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2014 22:11:27 No.341954 Report

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I've been using a calcium carbonate foliar spray, and now my AP plants have tomatoes everywhere.

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2014 22:12:33 No.341955 Report

Quoted By: >>341956

>>341951
If you have the money and want a REALLY good return on investment, buy 'tomato teepees'. I bought them over 10 years ago and most, if not all of them still hold up and work.

The way they work is they have 18 'pockets' or columns of water and each one needs to be filled from the top with water so you can adjust if you want it opened or closed to ward off winter, pests, weather, etc. During the day, the sun's rays penetrates the columns of water heating them up. At night, the infrared radiation gets released and used by the plant as well as the added heat during frosts, cold nights, or extreme weather to keep the plant in a common/controlled environment. Over time, stuff has chewed holes in a few of the pockets, some closer to the top, some much lower but even with 4-6 'bad' columns, the other ones are still good and the teepee still works and does its job. If you live anywhere else other than the west coast (since the weather is almost always mild even in winter(, I'd strongly recommend buying these. They also are about 1.5 feet tall so it stops ground pests from messing with the stem or lower portions of the plant

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2014 22:15:00 No.341956 Report

Quoted By: >>341961

>>341955
I've seen those nearly all my life. I know how they work and how well they should work for plants. I've not seen any for 10 years. Thanks for reminding me about them.

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2014 22:34:45 No.341961 Report

Quoted By: >>341964

>>341956
I got em in 2001ish when they were apparently brand new and on the market. I got them out of a Park Seed catalogue. I paid something like $60-$65ish for 18 of em (sold in packs of 3 so I got six packs). You can buy them now for alot cheaper but mine STILL work (many have no holes, at the worst, one has 6 holes and 3 of them are in the middle, the rest are near the top so I hardly lose out on the water that can be added). Now, I've seen them sell between $7-$10 for a pack of 3. The brand I got is called 'Wall-O'-Water' and I've never ever seen the stores carry them for some reason so you might want to use eBay or Amazon to get them for cheaper, maybe find free shipping too. They also came out with red ones after I got mine which apparently reflect red light back to the plant which is beneficial to them and aids in ripening of fruit (for say, tomatoes and peppers). There were also studies done with them showing that by using one, it increases the overall length of the plant as well as resistance to the elements outdoors versus one not protected and grown with one.

Here are mine that I used earlier this year to protect these corn plants. I have no trouble in Southern California with the weather but I used them when I put the transplants outside because birds here like to mess around with my transplants thinking they are worms or food. Also, it protects against many ground pests, and when the nights were cold, it did its job keeping it above a temp of 65F during nights also with the rain when the plants were younger and I didn't want the raindrops to break or hurt the plant during the storm.

Perhaps someone can help me out as far as how to repair the holes? They are made out of PVC and I need something to adhere to the plastic as well as be water resistant since they are filled with water. I think it might even be cheaper now to just buy a brand new one than fix holes but if I find a cheap solution, I'd like to restore all the ones I have with holes in them.

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2014 22:41:52 No.341964 Report

Quoted By: >>341967

>>341961
I don't think those are PVC. PVC is normally very rigid. Are they vinyl perhaps? You may try out a pool patch kit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2014 22:56:51 No.341967 Report

Quoted By: >>342006

>>341964
I thought it was PVC now I'm not sure what they are made out of... feels like a very heavy-duty shower curtain liner. The holes were created by squirrels or rats as I left them in a backyard shed that doesn't have a door so they were done by teeth of some kind. I saw those pool repair patch kits but I don't know if the glue would potentially 'burn' a hole on the good part of the material near the hole. I also have to calculate the dimensions of the hole area and how much patching material they give you in those kits (it seems to be in inches and they barely give you any for $5-$7) but perhaps I can find a good one and it might be possible to buy one box and have enough material to repair the holes I have in mine.

The 'official' repair kits that Wall-O'-Water sells are pretty much a smaller area 'column' that you put inside of the column with a hole in it and it seems a bit silly to do that; I'd rather find a way to patch the holes (if its even possible to do) of the columns with em.

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Anonymous Thu 03 Jul 2014 00:53:52 No.342006 Report

Quoted By: >>342021

>>341967
>feels like a very heavy-duty shower curtain liner.

Most likely vinyl then. A pool repair kit should work. Just do a test on one of the non-structural flaps on the top to see if the glue causes a problem.

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Anonymous Thu 03 Jul 2014 01:14:19 No.342021 Report

Quoted By: >>342227

>>342006
Right on! Do you have a recommended brand/make/place for the pool repair kits? I admit I was looking into pool repair patch kits earlier this year because I have an outdoor mini greenhouse/cold frame (picture related) that has a PVC-ish like cover with holes and I couldn't find a replacement cover for it. The area of the holes for the greenhouse cover (in square feet) exceeded the amount of patch material they sold in the kit with the 'most' patch material. The best one I found was ~$7 but I needed to buy 3 boxes of it to fix all the holes in that greenhouse and for $30, I could essentially buy a brand new greenhouse (complete with a new cover) for that price (though, I sanded down the rust and put weather/rust resistant paint on mine and spent a bit of money to restore it better than a brand new one would have) since the come out of the box with a cheap paint job and easily would rust so I was torn on that.

If theres a great brand or place to get those pool patch kits (I don't have a pool so I don't know whats good or bad or if there are brands/companies to stay away from vs ones to definitely go to), I'd love to know! Thanks again.

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Anonymous Thu 03 Jul 2014 12:35:09 No.342227 Report

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>>342021
Vinyl chloride and PVC (polyvinyl chloride) can both be fixed using patch kits. Try "Airstop".

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Jul 2014 14:55:07 No.342268 Report

Quoted By: >>342293 >>342320

I noticed a neighbor throwing out a cracked fishtank.

Would that be usable as a tiny greenhouse, to keep a few flowers alive over the winter?

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Anonymous Thu 03 Jul 2014 15:35:17 No.342293 Report

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>>342268
It depends on how large it is, but yes it can work as a tiny greenhouse (think "terrarium"). Personally, if it were big enough (nothing over 3 feet long or it'd be too heavy for this), I'd set it on its end and put shelves in it. Then place seedlings on the shelves and make a door for it.

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Anonymous Thu 03 Jul 2014 15:40:37 No.342295 Report

Quoted By: >>342319 >>342332

While I was watering my raised beds, I noticed a couple morning glory flowers blooming. They are volunteers from the soil of a friend. Since they don't take over everything I left them to grow. It seems the ones climbing the Lamb's Quarter is better suited being paired with that plant than with these pumpkin plants. They can climb the Lamb's Quarter far better and not take them over. They should also make the Lamb's Quarter look better when they are blooming on them.

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Anonymous Thu 03 Jul 2014 16:46:41 No.342319 Report

Quoted By: >>342378

>>342295
show leaves? looks like a sweet potato flower if so you're in for some good eating

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Anonymous Thu 03 Jul 2014 16:48:33 No.342320 Report

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>>342268
i have used them smaller fish tanks as a cover for small plants, just keep the soil most inside

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Jul 2014 17:21:40 No.342332 Report

Quoted By: >>342378

>>342295
I've noticed this myself, Lambs Quarter is basically a weed here and the MGs spring up on them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Jul 2014 17:25:04 No.342333 Report

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>>340245
>nice, what are hostas for by the way?
Slug food, basically.

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Anonymous Thu 03 Jul 2014 19:00:51 No.342378 Report

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>>342319
Those are both in the same genus of ipomoea. These are ipomea purpurea. I have some sweet potatoes planted in another raised bed, ipomea batatas. Ipomea batatas has white flowers with purple centers. On a nearby hill, there are some wild sweet potato plants, ipomoea pandurata, but their purple centers are smaller than the ipomea batatas.

I plan to save the seeds from these and plant them next season with my Lamb's Quarter, just to liven up the garden.

>>342332
>Lambs Quarter is basically a weed here

It is an awesome food plant. Just eat the leaves in salad or cook them in spinach recipes. It's really hearty when compared to many other greens, especially store bought greens. Its flavor isn't remotely like the more bitter wild greens. I love the stuff. I need more of it. My current crop is getting a wicked leaf miner problem. Though, I'm growing these for their seeds (which is like quinoa grain and can be used/eaten like it too.)

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Anonymous Thu 03 Jul 2014 20:11:29 No.342409 Report

Quoted By: >>342430 >>342431 >>342491

What is this raggedy butterfly next to my garden and what's the plant it's sitting on?

What could have happened to it's wings?

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Anonymous Thu 03 Jul 2014 21:18:23 No.342430 Report

Quoted By: >>342431

>>342409
That is a Red Admiral (Vanessa atalanta) butterfly. The plant is a pretty common weed. I can't remember the name of it for the life of me.

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Anonymous Thu 03 Jul 2014 21:22:59 No.342431 Report

Quoted By: >>342433 >>342501

>>335081
Prostrate Spurge

>>342409
>>342430
>The plant is a pretty common weed. I can't remember the name of it for the life of me.

Persicaria maculosa

finally

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Anonymous Thu 03 Jul 2014 21:27:32 No.342433 Report

Quoted By: >>342501

>>342431
Oh and Persicaria maculosa is edible too. Good for salads as it won't even remotely overpower your other greens.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Jul 2014 00:07:31 No.342491 Report

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>>342409
i see some yummy oxalis there aswell, loaded in vitamin c so great substitute for fruit if you cant get ahold of any

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Anonymous Fri 04 Jul 2014 00:20:29 No.342496 Report

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can anyone confirm what is going in with my peas? it looks like yellow mosaic but I'm not certain. is it a lost cause at this point?

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Anonymous Fri 04 Jul 2014 00:30:41 No.342501 Report

Quoted By: >>342513

>>342431
>>342433
>Persicaria maculosa

Is there a common name for it?

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Anonymous Fri 04 Jul 2014 00:56:17 No.342513 Report

Quoted By: >>342546

>>342501
>Persicaria maculosa
"Common names include lady's thumb,[1] spotted lady's thumb, Jesusplant, and redshank."

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Jul 2014 02:51:23 No.342546 Report

Quoted By: >>342702

>>342513
What do people actually call them IRL?

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Anonymous Fri 04 Jul 2014 12:38:16 No.342702 Report

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>>342546
Redshank seem the easiest to remember because of the...pink..."shank" of flowers they have.

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Anonymous Fri 04 Jul 2014 13:33:08 No.342706 Report

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>no one likes to post so close to the end of a thread because the conversation will be lost as we move to the next thread.

I'll post up some random photos to fill out this thread so we can move on to the next...

My breakfast was spent sitting in the garden this morning. I had some kale, dandelion, common plantain, romaine lettuce, and a day lily flower. I like to eat them in order of bitterness, worst to least, as I listed above. The day lily has a very unique flavor and after you've eaten it, the back of your throat has a slight spiciness.

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Anonymous Fri 04 Jul 2014 13:34:25 No.342707 Report

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>>342706
My strawberry bed when it was producing well this spring. There's nothing flowering or fruiting right now, but hopefully the other varieties in the bed will start soon.

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Anonymous Fri 04 Jul 2014 13:35:48 No.342708 Report

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>>342707
Last year's crop of Yukon gold potatoes. Those things have amazing flavor! Far better than russets.

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Anonymous Fri 04 Jul 2014 13:37:50 No.342709 Report

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>>342708
Last year's crop of heirloom carrots. I need to plant more, but I have no room left in my raised beds for anything else. Their flavors are actually different between the colors. I like the larger purples and the yellows best.

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Anonymous Fri 04 Jul 2014 13:39:42 No.342710 Report

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Juicing mostly wild greens and some strawberries.

Dandelion
Common Plantain
Icicle Radish
Ribwort Plantain
Curly Dock
Lamb's Quarter
Wood Sorrel

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Anonymous Fri 04 Jul 2014 13:42:26 No.342713 Report

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300 posts reached! Thread is now falling off the board!

NEW THREAD: >>342711

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Anonymous Fri 04 Jul 2014 21:00:56 No.342869 Report

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>>342708
What kind of knife is that?
Have you just had it for forever and whittled it down with sharpening?

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Anonymous Fri 04 Jul 2014 21:47:38 No.342891 Report

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Top right corner of images. I made is specifically that way.

>thread isn't bumping, fyi.

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