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Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 00:10:51 No.380623 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>380625 >>380694 >>380767 >>381618 >>381655 >>382277 >>383769

Hi /out/

Wannabe /out/doorsman here. I wanna buy a new bag today for camping and hunting. I saw an Alice Pack last weekend at the Army Disposals for $75 that I'm thinking about grabbing but wanted to get some opinions first from some people more in the know than me.

Thanks

Necromancer

Necromancer Sat 06 Sep 2014 00:14:55 No.380625 Report

Quoted By: >>380626 >>381332

>>380623

$75 for Milsurp? Holy shit, that seems expensive to me.

Get a ;proper' backpack, OP, not milsurp (Heavy, bulky).

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 00:18:14 No.380626 Report

Quoted By: >>380633 >>381332 >>381619

>>380625
Ok, any suggestions?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 00:22:09 No.380627 Report

Quoted By: >>380631

Either you're new here or by some grace of god you've never seen any of the two thousand million previous threads with an almost identical question about milsurp with the same, almost unanimous answer.

Milsurp is durable and cheap but bulky and heavy. Modern specialist kit for outdoors people will always do a better job.
All gear must strike a balance between weight, durability and price and in the military, durability and price are always put first, not user comfort.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 00:34:33 No.380631 Report

Quoted By: >>380633

>>380627
Yes I'm new. I had a look through the catalog and didn't see any other bag threads. Thanks for the tips I'll keep it in mind.

Necromancer

Necromancer Sat 06 Sep 2014 00:44:49 No.380633 Report

Quoted By: >>380650 >>383775

>>380626
>>380631

Osprey.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 01:14:50 No.380650 Report

Quoted By: >>380663

>>380633
2nd for osprey. Higher in price than shit you can find at wally but it is high quality and ssupr functional.
I got the exos 46 but im a UL fag.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 01:34:10 No.380663 Report

Quoted By: >>384166

>>380650
I like osprey but I hate the price. Are there any poor man's ospreys that are just as good as wrll as good on the wallet?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 02:55:39 No.380689 Report

Quoted By: >>380754

$75 for an alice pack? Holy fuck, do you live in Australia or something? You shouldn't pay more than $60 for a large pack with frame and straps.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 02:59:25 No.380691 Report

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I see 75$ and the pic and if that's what ur getting for that price it's a no go. Hell I saw walmart Carries the "SOG barrage" for like 45 bucks and that thing has plenty of space and plenty of molle. I have a colt back pack I use paid like 35 for it and its a tank

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 03:01:31 No.380694 Report

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>>380623
Teton Sports makes very affordable, durable gear.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 06:17:14 No.380754 Report

Quoted By: >>380770

>>380689
Yep, I'm an Aussie. 75 bucks seemed pretty reasonable to me tbh.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 06:30:23 No.380767 Report

Quoted By: >>380770 >>380797

>>380623
do not pay that much for an alicepack. I got my for free as a gift from someone who payed 15 bucks for it years ago. You should be able to get one in good condition with a frame for no more then 40 bucks. you can get one online for less then 75 jesus.

here is mine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 06:32:31 No.380770 Report

Quoted By:

>>380754
oh you are Australian. i have no idea how much they would cost there. please ignore >>380767

you should look at modern backpacking bags first. 75 is what i would pay for a nice modern frame bag

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 07:33:19 No.380797 Report

Quoted By: >>380805

>>380767
wut tent is that 566

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 07:48:21 No.380805 Report

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>>380797
US GI shelter half pup tents. its actually 4 halves. i just set one up normal and threw one half over it and one inside. the company that sent it forgot some poles so i couldn't set both up. you can get one for 15 bucks on ebay

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 21:32:42 No.381203 Report

Quoted By: >>381207 >>381213

Take it from me, I went with an ALICE pack because they ARE durable as fuck and will outlive you (probably), however, they are heavy, pretty uncomfortable straight outta the box and older tech.

Got me a Camelbak, didn't look back.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 21:36:17 No.381207 Report

Quoted By: >>381213

>>381203

At the very least, get yourself a nice set of shoulder straps and a waist belt if you go with the ALICE pack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Sep 2014 22:00:16 No.381213 Report

Quoted By: >>381707

>>381207
>>381203
our stop being a bitch and harden up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Sep 2014 01:55:36 No.381306 Report

Quoted By:

First off, DON'T SPEND $75 ON AN ALICE PACK.

Now that we have that out of the way, go with a modern internal frame pack, like an Osprey or something from REI.

How big do you need? How long of trips do you want to make?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Sep 2014 02:49:38 No.381332 Report

Quoted By:

>>380625
>>380626
ALICE pack (medium) only weighs 4.5 lbs (2kg) empty. It's a great start for very cheap, though for $75, you would do better buying an ultralite pack of some sort. I bought my medium pack for $25 with shelf.

The frame is multi-functional. Watch Dave Canterbury's videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_5GRtGUD5I

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Sep 2014 15:47:02 No.381611 Report

Quoted By: >>383777

Another wannabe /out/doorsman here. What size pack would you all recommend for an overnight, maybe 2 night trip?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Sep 2014 16:01:34 No.381618 Report

Quoted By:

>>380623
Look around on here OP
http://www.colemans.com/pouch.htm

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Sep 2014 16:04:58 No.381619 Report

Quoted By:

>>380626
Go to a store that sells hiking bags.

Try them.

Pick the one that's the comfiest.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Sep 2014 18:10:49 No.381655 Report

Quoted By:

>>380623
I wouldn't use those packs. Weight per capacity is too high. Plus it puts the weight too far out.

Get one that is tall and hugs you as much as possible. I have an ALPS Mountaineering 3200cc and it works great.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Sep 2014 19:36:11 No.381707 Report

Quoted By:

>>381213
These aren't the sixties anymore grandpa.
1960 tech < 2014 tech

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Sep 2014 20:04:40 No.382277 Report

Quoted By:

>>380623
I use and enjoy an ALICE pack. I am gonna echo pretty much everyone else in this thread, however, and say that they are much heavier and cumbersome than modern equipment.

For what it's worth, they're designed to carry extremely heavy loads deep into the bush. Think about it-- the average soldier in Vietnam was humping in a ton of equipment that modern backpackers would never need. Stuff like radios, flares, extra machine-gun ammo, camo paint, grenades, explosives... your personal comfort was an afterthought.

SO if you absolutely have to hump a fuckton of supplies innawoods-- yeah, alice pack is a great idea. But modern backpacking emphasizes lightweight manuverability to go further and faster. It does that by (arguably) shedding durability and a bit of packability.

So think about your needs, and buy accordingly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Sep 2014 11:15:25 No.383717 Report

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I bought one this week as I'm a poorfag with an appreciation for durable equipment as more of an inclination to push through/get used to discomfort to build character. The ability to modify it easily was also a factor, I'll be adding pockets and an easily stowable waterproof cover as well as external storage components such as D rings, strips of elastic and ties

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Sep 2014 12:52:49 No.383749 Report

Quoted By:

The fact that they hold up for litteraly fucking forever is always a plus but imo molle compatible > Alice compatible

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Sep 2014 14:08:06 No.383769 Report

Quoted By:

>>380623
Whereabouts do you live?
South Australia by any chance?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Sep 2014 14:25:37 No.383775 Report

Quoted By: >>383978

>>380633
Not saying they aren't pretty awesome, but Osprey is quickly becoming the >Mora of backpack threads.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Sep 2014 14:30:54 No.383777 Report

Quoted By:

>>381611
One or two nighter hardly makes a difference.

More important:

Do you need a tent?
Are you going solo?

If the answer to both questions is "yes", I'd look at something in the 60l range.
Otherwise you'll get away with a 40.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Sep 2014 21:31:01 No.383955 Report

Quoted By: >>383972

Figured I may as well ask here.

Would a Swedish LK35 pack w/ frame for $24 USD be a decent low cost option?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Sep 2014 22:06:43 No.383972 Report

Quoted By:

>>383955
I own one and it is just painful. The straps dig in badly to the shoulders and with no hip or sternum straps it all rests on them too for extra pain.
I've heard people say good things about attaching ALICE straps with kidney padding and such like to them and while that's good and all it just adds extra cost for something less comfortable than a cheap Walmart/lidl/cheapo store equivalent or even a second hand osprey or such which will last just as long and not wreck your shoulders and back.

On a positive side however, after removing the bag from the frame, I made it into a pretty nice large bike pannier and the frame into a handy way to hang up odds and ends in my wardrobe like neckties, keys and watches.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 11 Sep 2014 22:13:15 No.383978 Report

Quoted By:

>>383775
what'chu talkin' 'bout, willis?

But yeah, Osprey owner here

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Sep 2014 22:21:15 No.383986 Report

Quoted By: >>384246

i rocked with an alice pack for a long time. got mine used for 55 bucks. i ended up replacing the frame with a pvc one and the straps with some i found used at a yard sale. it lasted me more than 5 years now and just starting to break down. i have put allot of stress on it and i will say it is very very uncomfortable. its a good starting bag till you can afford a better one though. if you have the money i recomend getting a kelty pack. the redcloud 110 is a little under $250 and will hold the same amount of gear and will be waaaaay more comfortable. ill be getting one myself soon

freedom

freedom Thu 11 Sep 2014 23:18:23 No.384015 Report

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i bought a standard 65L (camo) rucksack for camping / shopping. a stronger material. its lasting well.

and i have a 100L (olive) rucksack for camping. for camping. its straps fricking torn off. bad stitching.

so be careful to what you buy. if it looks like the straps will break eventually - get a refund.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Sep 2014 04:23:16 No.384166 Report

Quoted By:

>>380663
Durability, Comfort, Low price.

You get to pick 2.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Sep 2014 08:50:52 No.384246 Report

Quoted By:

>>383986
$250 for a Kelty?!

Seems a bit excessive to me. Granted the 110 is a fucking huge pack, but IIRC I got my Coyote 80 for something around $120...

For $250 you can get a very decent Osprey. Also, my 80 is overkill for most stuff and I usually leave it home and take something smaller instead. I really don't know how you'd need a 110 for anything other than a solo expedition in extreme climate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Sep 2014 13:50:52 No.386253 Report

Quoted By:

Hey guys, what's a good UK based website for milsurp, or a good US based website that ships to the UK? I tried asking the folks over at /k/ but had no luck

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 Sep 2014 04:21:43 No.388192 Report

Quoted By: >>388208 >>388361

How about a Swedish Lk35?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 Sep 2014 04:46:28 No.388208 Report

Quoted By: >>388214

>>388192
No... PoS

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 Sep 2014 04:52:39 No.388211 Report

Quoted By:

/k/omrade here,
What sort of milsurp?
German stuff includes:
>http://www.germandotmilitaria.com
UK based and
>http://www.gowenmilitaria.com
US based

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 18 Sep 2014 04:59:00 No.388214 Report

Quoted By: >>388328 >>388348

>>388208
Funny how the answers are always diametrically opposite depending on whether I ask /k/ or /out/

Necromancer

Necromancer Thu 18 Sep 2014 13:09:37 No.388328 Report

Quoted By: >>388362

>>388214

That's because /k/ are all about looking "operator as fuck".

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Anonymous Thu 18 Sep 2014 14:29:35 No.388348 Report

Quoted By: >>388353

>>388214
pick one

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 18 Sep 2014 15:05:04 No.388353 Report

Quoted By:

>>388348
/out/ is growing in the image of her fathers former glory

Soon, she shall take his throne and break his heart

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 Sep 2014 15:24:59 No.388361 Report

Quoted By:

>>388192
O-okay

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 Sep 2014 15:27:04 No.388362 Report

Quoted By: >>388369 >>388378

>>388328
So is it shit? Or not?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 Sep 2014 15:42:41 No.388369 Report

Quoted By: >>388371

>>388362
it is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 Sep 2014 15:45:58 No.388371 Report

Quoted By:

>>388369
What?

Necromancer

Necromancer Thu 18 Sep 2014 16:00:15 No.388378 Report

Quoted By: >>388385 >>388386

>>388362

Yes. On this particular subject (backpacks), /k/ is shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 Sep 2014 16:17:29 No.388385 Report

Quoted By:

>>388378
What if you added a kidney straps/padding and new shoulder straps

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 Sep 2014 16:21:04 No.388386 Report

Quoted By: >>388414

>>388378
Why is it shit?

Necromancer

Necromancer Thu 18 Sep 2014 17:39:08 No.388414 Report

Quoted By: >>388441

>>388386

Because /k/ will concentrate on mostly military or tactical looking gear which is generally less comfortable, heavier and bulkier in comparison to 'civilian' brands like Osprey, Arc'Teryx, etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 Sep 2014 18:37:52 No.388441 Report

Quoted By: >>388490

>>388414
Oh I know, I was referring to the LK35 specifically.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 Sep 2014 20:20:31 No.388490 Report

Quoted By:

>>388441
it's
>less comfortable, heavier and bulkier in comparison to 'civilian' brands like Osprey, Arc'Teryx, etc

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Sep 2014 05:01:19 No.388759 Report

Quoted By:

I payed $350 for an ILBE pack.

So this is what it feels like to be stupid.

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