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Homegrowmen (Farming and Gardening) Thread #22

Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2014 18:15:53 No.424609 View View Reply Original Report

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Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2014 18:16:14 No.424611 Report

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>>424609
US Farm Income and Taxes,
http://www.hobbyfarms.com/farm-marketing-and-management/farm-income-taxes-14991.aspx

US Grants and Loans for Small Farms,
http://www.usda.gov/wps/portal/usda/usdahome?navid=GRANTS_LOANS
http://afsic.nal.usda.gov/farms-and-community/grants-and-loans-farmers
http://www.nal.usda.gov/afsic/pubs/funding.shtml

Managing Risks on Your Small Farm,
http://agmarketing.extension.psu.edu/begfrmrs/MangRiskSmllFrm.pdf

Chicken info and forum,
http://www.backyardchickens.com

Rabbit guide
http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/7884798/Rabbit_Production_Manual

A public access seedbank for many types of rare or endangered plants; both edible and ornamental,
http://www.jlhudsonseeds.net/index.htm

Organic and heirloom selections:
http://sustainableseedco.com/
http://www.seedsofchange.com/

Potato, Sweet Potato, and Tubers seed bank (free, but requies filling out forms and waiting in line):
http://www.cipotato.org/

Awesome interactive plant/gardening maps for USA, Canada, France, UK, BC, (frost dates, temp zones, etc):
http://www.plantmaps.com/index.php

Sprout seeds and info:
sproutpeople.org

Insect Habitats for attracting polinating bees, predatory/parasitic wasps, hibernating ladybugs, butterflies, etc.
http://www.inspirationgreen.com/insect-habitats.html

Toad and Hedgehog Habitats,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JetkWtw7Jc
http://familycrafts.about.com/od/frogcrafts/a/How_To_Make_A_Toad_Village.htm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/breathingplaces/hedgehog_home/
http://www.britishhedgehogs.org.uk/leaflets/L5-Hedgehog-Homes.pdf

Chili Peppers!
http://www.fatalii.net/

More on Aquaponics & Aquaculture,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=26xpMCXP9bw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=_WgfaJjvfxA

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2014 22:50:59 No.424729 Report

Quoted By: >>424744 >>424805 >>424808

I am the guy from the previous thread.

Just letting know that for my pseudo-composting I will use used coffee grounds and used herbs from tea bags. They are not the most natural thing, but, well, who knows. Posting so I can get opinions (inb4 you are an idiot).

Pic related, my unhealthy and useless soil on >>424242

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2014 23:12:29 No.424744 Report

Quoted By: >>424745

>>424729
Try to get more green organic stuff in there too, but that's a good start.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2014 23:14:56 No.424745 Report

Quoted By: >>424748 >>424805

>>424744
Thanks! What vegetables or fruits should I use? I was afraid to use my orange peels, as it is from a citric fruit, for example. And for them, I should let dry first to mix after, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2014 23:25:34 No.424748 Report

Quoted By: >>424749 >>424883

>>424745
Citrus peels are fine to add to compost, just cut them up to small pieces so that they degrade a bit faster. Really the only things to avoid are meat, most oils and fats, bones, diseased plant matter, and toxic or nondegradable materials. Everything else ought to be fine for composting. Some things that I'd avoid other than those are weeds, just to avoid seeding the compost for more weed growth in my garden, and corncobs, as I've never had good luck getting them to degrade unless I absolutely shred them. Here's a decent online guide to what is nutritionally good for your compost: http://www.compostinstructions.com/what-you-can-and-cannot-compost/

Hope that helps! Good luck

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Nov 2014 23:28:29 No.424749 Report

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>>424748
Thank you again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2014 01:02:01 No.424795 Report

Quoted By: >>424805

>US Grants and Loans for Small Farms

Live in So Cal. Have a job 5 days a week and pay rent. I dont make much and dont have a farm or land to farm on.
Would this be able to help me rent a 1 or 2 acre agricultural lot and grow some specialty produce to sell as a side job? Am thinking rare varieties of vegetables to sell at farmers market s and such on the weekends.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2014 01:14:01 No.424805 Report

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>>424729
Plants fucking love coffee grounds, fyi.

https://www.google.com/search?q=coffee+grounds+plants

>>424745
It doesn't matter so long as it is fully composted. The composition of the uncomposted ingredients completely changes when composted.

>>424795
Probably. You need to call your local agriculture department and talk to someone. They should be able to get you on the right track for your area. They should know what department to call or whatever. I'm sure there's a network there for this sort of thing. You can even ask around at the farmer's markets and local farms.

http://www.cdfa.ca.gov/

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2014 01:22:12 No.424808 Report

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>>424729
coffee grounds are good for acidic loving plants

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2014 02:58:49 No.424883 Report

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>>424748
diseased plant matter and weeds dont matter as long as your compost pile gets warm enough to cook it down
everything degrades to organic material eventually

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2014 21:55:10 No.425169 Report

Quoted By: >>425224 >>451443

New thread means garden update!

>bringing plants in from the cold edition
Definitely bringing in parsley and basil, considering leaving the radish plants out and seeing if they do anything when the weather gets frosty come mid-december. The cilantro is all getting harvested one of these days

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Nov 2014 23:14:21 No.425224 Report

Quoted By: >>425387

>>425169
What do you use for your plants? Just curious.

And also updating (I am the coffee grounds guy): using leftover water from boiled spinach to water my plants and to ''help'' with my unused soil. I waited for it to reach room temperature, of course.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Nov 2014 10:35:54 No.425387 Report

Quoted By: >>425743

>>425224
garden variety potting soil bought from my local hardware and garden store. I can get you pictures of the bag tomorrow when it's sunny, quite late out here. Other than that I just water when the soil seems dry and try to make sure they don't get any pests near them, pretty easy stuff when it comes to small plants like these. I've found that the mini-basil is a lot easier to grow than full size basil just on the virtue that it's bushier and less prone to potential bolting or wind damage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:09:14 No.425743 Report

Quoted By: >>425744

>>425387
No need for that, as I most likely don't live in your country and wouldn't be able to find the same thing. Your herbs look adorable, keep that way!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 00:10:16 No.425744 Report

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>>425743
Ah, alright. And thank you! I've been lucky that it hasn't been too rainy or too dry out here, and that I haven't been plagued by pests or anything.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 04:29:15 No.425850 Report

Quoted By: >>425856 >>427094 >>434101 >>442074

any one ever heard of pepper plants with multi coloured peppers? i got one from a friends a month or 2 ago and they're still growing, haven't sprouted peppers yet. I'm wondering what they're called, like the real name of them.. they're supposed to have purple, yellow and red peppers. also wanna know if they're edible and not just ornamental

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 05:02:50 No.425856 Report

Quoted By: >>425858

>>425850
A relative bought me one. I actually thought they'd bought a plastic plant. Then it died and turned brown and I was like "WTF!" The only reason I thought is was fake was because this person had bought plastic shit for me before and it was super dry and light weight.

Had I known or actually looked at it, I'd have added to the other indoor pepper plants I already have growing.

You need to place it outside in a large pot to get them to fruit. Yes, they are edible. BUT, store bought ornamental peppers that have a tag "not edible" are tagged like that not because you can't eat them, but because they normally have systemic pesticides inside them and are thus not considered food safe. Also, their may be legal food laws the store would need to have if they sold them as a food plant and they don't need to do that if they put that tag on it. The type of systemic pesticide doesn't need to be limited to safe for human consumption so they can use anything even if it is harmful to humans.

You don't want stuff like neonicotinoids that can be in the plant's soil and entire system for its entire life. So, if you really want to grow these as edible plants you'll need to consider where you got it from. You may want to toss that one and buy some from an organic supplier as seed or starts.

As for the name. You'll need to see the fruit. There's many cultivars. "purple, red, yellow" can be a few, but "Capsicum Annuum Garda Tricolore" might be what it is. You'll just need to find out. They are very hot peppers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 05:12:18 No.425858 Report

Quoted By: >>425956

>>425856
thanks, i'll confirm with him if it was store bought and ornamental, he says they're edible though... which sort of puzzles me. thanks for the heads up

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 05:58:31 No.425868 Report

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Hi guys.

For Christmas I have the idea of starting my mother on gardening. I was hoping if anyone here could offer some ideas! — supplies, tools, seeds, anything I could put together in a nice little arrangement. This is of course all aimed at a very beginner.

Thanks in advance.

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Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 05:59:53 No.425869 Report

Quoted By: >>425877 >>426084

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 06:19:48 No.425877 Report

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>>425869
>seed packets w/simple plants in them
>trowel
>watering can
>couple bags of potting soil
>a few clay pots of varying sizes

And there you have it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 13:53:05 No.425956 Report

Quoted By: >>426143

>>425858
Perhaps you don't get it. Even if it says "ornamental" it is still edible. But, if someone hosed it down with unsafe pesticides that can harm you then you shouldn't be eating it. The best way to find out is to trace where it was bought from and ask those people if they use any kind of pesticide then look up the pesticide to see if it is systemic and bad for you or if it washes off and biodegrade a few days after application.

So, saying it is "ornamental" is a bit of a misnomer in the first place.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 17:01:31 No.426003 Report

Quoted By: >>427579

Can anyone give me some pointers on what LED-bulb to buy to keep plants happy during the dark winter months? Preferably with a E27 base.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 20:10:48 No.426061 Report

Quoted By: >>426070 >>426084

I don't know shit about gardening, never planted a single plant in my whole life.
I want to build an aquaponic, is it hard without any experience?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 20:29:33 No.426070 Report

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>>426061
>is _____ hard without any experience?

You know the answer to that better than anyone. Do you have trouble learning new things from scratch? If you do then you'll have trouble with this or anything else new. Nothing is really all that difficult at all. Most of the time all you need is either a real interest for it or patience to learn it. Hopefully, it is a real interest to learn it since that will make things go much smoother.

-Research
-Learn
-Ask proper questions
-Do

That's the basis for just about anything ever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 21:03:16 No.426084 Report

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>>425869
It really depends where you live and how is your apartment / house.

>>426061
I had a foot behind when I was about to start an indoor garden. At first, everything was clumsy, my herbs weren't looking well. I made an effort to learn from my previous mistakes and asked as many people as many questions as possible. Now I am actually starting to succeed.

There is no magic formula. You use a guide of your choice to start one, adapt to where you live, your climate, etc. And ask people questions.

I know this is not the answer you are looking for, but it's the truth.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Dec 2014 23:45:52 No.426143 Report

Quoted By: >>426204

>>425956
he says he grew them from a seed, so i think it would be safe to eat

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2014 02:06:32 No.426204 Report

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>>426143
Good to know. It probably just needs more light and good temps and humidity then it'll bloom and fruit. If it blooms indoors you'll need to pollinated it by hand.

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Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2014 19:31:03 No.426518 Report

Quoted By: >>426532 >>429132

I know fuckall about trees so maybe this shit is obvious but I suck at google and couldn't find info on this.

Is it possible with an air pruning container to stunt the growth of any tree and effectively turn it into a dwarf, or does this just kill the tree?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2014 20:19:10 No.426532 Report

Quoted By: >>426929

>>426518
Just research bonsai methods. That will help you greatly.

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Anonymous Wed 03 Dec 2014 18:32:30 No.426929 Report

Quoted By: >>427052

>>426532

Thanks, that helped a lot. I also stumbled upon something called Espalier. I guess it's perfectly possible to have trees stay a human size and be healthy enough to produce.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Dec 2014 23:04:50 No.427052 Report

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>>426929
Fruit pruning for attractive designs like Espalier takes a lot of patience, but it can certainly be done. Good luck

I'd recommend picking up a book or two about garden design, they usually have good chapters on selective pruning and trimming. If I were you, I'd look in your local thrift store first. Some great old gardening books there for as cheap as it gets. The torrent of 400+ books in PDF form in the OP post is also a great resource

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Dec 2014 23:35:28 No.427087 Report

Quoted By:

what can I do to get ready for next year's gardening? I won't risk planting until late april, so I just want to get ready.
I've planted some bulbs, and I have some trees growing indoors over the winter.
I'm going to read up on gardening and plant biology (probably won't help in practice).

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Dec 2014 23:57:59 No.427094 Report

Quoted By: >>434101

>>425850
I have those! They're ornamental peppers. AFAIK, they're edible - but only if you grew them yourselves from seed. Not very yummy, though.

They grow easily, so plant a few seeds in another pot and grow a new one if you want to give them a taste.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Dec 2014 05:36:32 No.427259 Report

Quoted By: >>427262

any farm bros around? I'm looking at some land. I want to raise heritage pork, chicken, and eggs. I'm curious about the laws surrounding processing meat. I know that animals have to be slaughtered at a regulated plant with an inspector. Now for the questions. I'm in Arizona.

Does anyone know if its legal to have the pigs killed and then get whole carcasses back to butcher them myself?

Does anyone know the price of having a slaughterhouse kill your pigs and chickens?

Any idea on egg laws?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Dec 2014 05:46:15 No.427262 Report

Quoted By: >>427266

>>427259
The best thing to do is contact your local agriculture department and ask them questions directly. While i can't speak for AZ, in my area you take your livestock to a licensed butcher and they do the cuts you want, package it in "not for sale" packaging and give it back for whatever fee is required. Of course, you have the option of doing it all yourself without a license. Or both, where they kill it, quarter it then you butcher it however you want. Everything is fine and legal unless you are selling processed meat to customers. Then you have to deal with health inspections and a bunch of other stuff.

>prices

For here, it is a fair price for complete packaging services. Well worth it for peace of mind and less work to do. This is especially true of larger animals. I butcher my own chickens though. If I had 15-30+ to butcher at once, I may change my mind on that. But, under 15 is easily manageable.

>egg laws

Selling your eggs to people? Ag dept question unless there's some AZ person here or google turns up FAQ stuff for AZ.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Dec 2014 05:49:43 No.427266 Report

Quoted By: >>427269

>>427262
sorry I wasn't clear. I plan to sell the meat. I'm a line cook and have been for years. I'm a good butcher, and I plan to provide meats for restaurants near by.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Dec 2014 05:59:32 No.427269 Report

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>>427266
Then you may need a license or two for that.

https://agriculture.az.gov/divisions

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Dec 2014 18:44:31 No.427493 Report

Quoted By: >>427576 >>427581

Anyone with container gardening experience could give me any tips regarding tomatoes and spinach?

I am on summer season here, I have full sun from 8am to 6~7pm and have humus and soil.

Do I need rocks for drainage or would they be fine without them?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Dec 2014 21:18:28 No.427576 Report

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>>427493
Sorry for the bump, but I kinda need this answer for tomorrow. I know this is not contributing to the thread and so...Sorry?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Dec 2014 21:20:38 No.427579 Report

Quoted By: >>431005

>>426003
Turns out that you ultimately want 1:1:1 (RGB). Ended up buying two 5W E14-bulbs. Will arrive next week.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Dec 2014 21:23:57 No.427581 Report

Quoted By: >>427594

>>427493
Spinach is a hardy plant, so it'll grow whereever it can basically. I prefer the New Zealand-variant as it gives you ALOT of spinach for a long time. Spinach does not need warmth (that much) nor that drained soil. You should just plant it and wait for it to grow. Remember to water it.

Tomatoes need alot more. They need basic soil, lots of water, warmth and nutrient (read up on exactly which nutrient they need, you'll increase your yield). Also, they need to be out of the wind and preferably not too humid as it tends to grow mold it then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Dec 2014 21:43:55 No.427594 Report

Quoted By: >>427682

>>427581
Thanks. Can they be under full sun for more than 6 hours? I live in a city where during summer it could resemble catholic hell for three months.

This being taken in consideration I use a good soil, humus, a lot of water and don't use the rocks at the bottom.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Dec 2014 01:24:22 No.427682 Report

Quoted By: >>427861

>>427594
Another anon here, but if that's the case, you may want to take shade into account for those really hot, direct sun days. Look up what variety you're going to plant does best in

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Dec 2014 16:01:36 No.427861 Report

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>>427682
Will check it. And I think I will do it without the rocks in the bottom.

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Anonymous Sat 06 Dec 2014 06:54:56 No.428111 Report

Quoted By: >>428510

I have been left behind this plant suddenly. I have no idea what type of flower this is, or how to care for it besides from watering it. Can someone identify this plant for me?

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Anonymous Sat 06 Dec 2014 18:51:57 No.428248 Report

Quoted By: >>428412

I wanted to have cherries in a container (not a big one). I bought some imported ones and have a seed in front of me from a cherry I just ate.

Can I put solely one in a container with only soil and humus under full sun? Would it grow on a tropical country?

This is the vase I have, and the cherry seed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 01:27:33 No.428412 Report

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>>428248
You will more than likely need to keep it in the fridge for 6 to 8 weeks then plant it. You'll also need to score/scratch the outside of the pit before planting it. These things help start its growing cycle.

https://www.google.com/search?q=how+to+germinate+cherry

hebes

hebes Sun 07 Dec 2014 06:06:34 No.428510 Report

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>>428111
Paterson's Curse - dont let your animals eat it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Dec 2014 15:44:44 No.429123 Report

Quoted By: >>429143 >>449403

What is the best way to preserve fresh basil leaves?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Dec 2014 16:17:57 No.429132 Report

Quoted By: >>429138 >>429141

>>426518
I really wish someone would answer the airport question though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Dec 2014 16:20:36 No.429135 Report

Quoted By: >>429386

How do I store eggplants?

It rained a bit and now I'm swamped with more of them than I can eat.

I eat about one a day usually fried but I always end up with 3-4 picked each day.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Dec 2014 16:26:23 No.429138 Report

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>>429132
Dwarfs are created by grafting the root stock of a tree that doesn't get very big to that of an apple tree or whatever else you want to dwarf. Essentially, the tree is dwarfed by the root ball not growing as large as it would in a standard apple tree. So, no, growing it in an air pruning container won't "dwarf" it by the strictest definition, but once the tree takes up all the space in the container it will have its growth stunted. This is not the same as dwarfing and could potentially hurt the tree's growth rate. If you want a tree in a small container, then bonsai is how you do it, but even bonsai trees spend most of their time in the ground. Containers are meant to start plants off, or hold them once they've been properly bonsai'd, not hold them indefinitely.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Dec 2014 16:42:54 No.429141 Report

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>>429132
It was answered. The bonsai answer was it. bonsai are put into smaller pots and their roots are trimmed to encourage a larger number of individual roots and larger square area of root skin. This allows for the use of a much smaller pot. During this time, the tree can be trimmed in a similar fashion so that more leaves are produced. More leaves = smaller leaves because they try to maintain the same amount of total leaf square surface area in relation to their root skin square surface area.

That is one of the ways you can draw a tree without grafting. Bonsai range from as tall as a person to as small as something you can hold in the palm of your hand. The methods employed can help a lot with other non-bonsai purposes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Dec 2014 16:45:56 No.429143 Report

Quoted By: >>429303

>>429123
Drying food will help it last longer. Vacuum sealing it after drying will help even longer. Flooding it with argon gas or nitrogen gas then vacuum sealing it will allow it to last even longer. If you don't want to dry it and have it remain the same, you can just put it into a ziploc bag and place it in the fridge. This won't last long. I suppose you could home can them in canning jars too. But, that process cooks the leaves.

To dry most herbs you cut them off, group them into small bunches like a bouquet, and hang them upside down in a dry place with a gentle breeze. Keep them out of direct sunlight.

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Anonymous Mon 08 Dec 2014 22:23:57 No.429282 Report

Quoted By: >>429291 >>429342

Is it normal if my New Zealand spinach seeds have this pink color?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Dec 2014 22:52:52 No.429291 Report

Quoted By: >>429302

>>429282
huge ass seeds, bro.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Dec 2014 23:25:37 No.429302 Report

Quoted By: >>429342

>>429291
Y-yes, but should they have this color? I googled and none of them had this tone.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Dec 2014 23:28:35 No.429303 Report

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>>429143
Thanks. Ended up eating them with scrambled eggs but will dry them next time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Dec 2014 01:36:09 No.429342 Report

Quoted By: >>429369

>>429302
>>429282
Did you buy those seeds or did they grow from your own plants. If you bought them, then that is a coating of systemic pesticide that is commonly put on plant seeds. It will be taken in by the seedling as it grows and the entire plant will then be poisonous with the pesticide. In which case, I'd toss those and find an organic supplier.

If it is from a seed you grew yourself then heck if I know what it is, but neat.

Here's some examples:

https://www.google.com/search?q=pink+seeds+systemic+pesticide&tbm=isch

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Dec 2014 03:28:05 No.429369 Report

Quoted By: >>429393 >>429515

>>429342
Just because a seed has a pink coating doesn't necessarily make it systemic pesticides. Many organic seed companies coat their seeds in various beneficial fungi and some of the companies make the coating pink for whatever reason.

hebes

hebes Tue 09 Dec 2014 04:03:09 No.429386 Report

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>>429135
I'd make pasta sauces with some
crumb and fry and freeze others (good for eggplant parma when youre lazy)
google if they're freezable. otherwise they do last a while in the fridge

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Dec 2014 04:23:07 No.429393 Report

Quoted By: >>429515 >>430295

>>429369
Knowing the source clears up that instantly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Dec 2014 12:56:13 No.429515 Report

Quoted By: >>429519 >>429625 >>430295

>>429369
>>429393
Considering I bought at a store and have no knowledge of its precedence, I took them out as fast as I could.

I submerged two in the water and a pink ''paint'' started to come out.

To me that doesn't mean something quite good.

Thank you anons.

If you can, could you provide me a link with the fungi information? Only out of curiosity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Dec 2014 13:18:50 No.429519 Report

Quoted By: >>429625

>>429515
This is what I read on the website from the company:

''Within this modern design, Isla only apply pesticides when this procedure is really necessary. This is the case of some larger seeds, such as bean, pea, okra and corn, among others. The seeds of these varieties can not be stored in desumidificadas cameras because the low humidity cause dryness of the seed coat that covers the seed, which reduces germination. Therefore, apply insecticides to prevent moths, weevils and beetles (in the stores ment) or rodents (after planting) impede germination. Some seeds, such as carrots and coriander, lead fungicide to prevent tipping of small seedlings. As for the other seeds if they are healthy, do not need the application of pesticides to be sold. The absence of pesticides in seed is therefore a good thing. For the producer, can point out several advantages, including the safe handling and can, therefore, be made up by a child and without the use of gloves. Furthermore, the absence of pesticides also helps to avoid polluting the environment that reverses the quality of life for people.''

I think I will still not use it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Dec 2014 18:15:56 No.429625 Report

Quoted By: >>434103

>>429519
I've been saving my own seeds for years. I've never needed pesticides on the seeds or in my garden. I keep some seeds in my freezer and others in air tight containers after they've been properly dried.

Only 1 time I've had trouble is with pumpkin and squash seeds not being dried properly. If that happens, they will get mold on them.

>>429515
http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/pr/1997/970123.htm
http://www.growsafe.com.au/Fertiliser/soilMicrobes.aspx

I still wouldn't use them unless I knew 100% what was on them in the first place and I approved of it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Dec 2014 21:16:04 No.430281 Report

Quoted By: >>430320

Complete greenie at growing anything here

I was planning on trying growing some culinary mushrooms to experiment with cooking with.
Does anyone know what are good types to start with (easiest to grow and must versatile in cooking) and could point me to a comprehensive guide to starting out.

The torrent in the OP is usefull but only really describes psychoactive mushrooms and fungi and even the starting out videos and sections of the books skip over complex things that I have no concept of.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Dec 2014 21:49:03 No.430295 Report

Quoted By: >>430297

>>429393
>>429515
http://www.blueriverorgseed.com/products-seed-coating/seed-coating-apex-green-organic.aspx
http://www.extension.org/pages/18952/organic-seed-treatments-and-coatings#.VIi-0XvDszw
http://www.smithseed.com/coating/nitrocoat.shtml
While the last link isn't strictly organic, it says at the bottom they offer organic coatings, and they do custom colors so I'm sure pink is one. Not to say that your seeds weren't coated in systemic pesticide, I was just clearing up that not all coated seeds are coated with pesticides.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Dec 2014 21:53:32 No.430297 Report

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>>430295
Same guy, also wanted to add that pretty much all organic companies that offer alfalfa or clover will coat them in Rhizobium to encourage nitrogen fixation. I got some red clover from this company that was coated is it. http://sustainableseedco.com/compost-cover-crops/red-clover.html

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Dec 2014 22:48:58 No.430320 Report

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>>430281
>easiest to grow and must versatile in cooking

Pearl Oyster (Pleurotus ostreatus) shelf fungi will grow on just about any cellulose-based growing medium you can throw at it. That's paper, sawdust, logs, coffee grounds (a fave for most people), etc. It is super easy to grow.

Shiitake (Lentinula edodes) are also easy to grow, but have most specific needs.

Chicken-of-the-woods (Laetiporus sp.) is something every culinary fungi eater/grower needs to aspire to grow and eat. It is absolutely amazing as a main dish fungi.

Just take a look at both of these websites. They have tons of info. Also, the links in the OP have both culinary and psychedelic fungi growing methods, but the methods for both are very similar.

http://everythingmushrooms.com/
www.fungi.com

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clæsix !!w8P3ZOlfjjB Thu 11 Dec 2014 02:53:17 No.430408 Report

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What type of fungi is this? Thought I posted this earlier but maybe not.

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clæsix !!w8P3ZOlfjjB Thu 11 Dec 2014 02:55:22 No.430409 Report

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>>430408
Another pic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Dec 2014 03:32:45 No.430425 Report

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>>430408
>>430409
Looks a lot like Pearl Oyster (Pleurotus ostreatus). Do a spore print and check other identification markers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Dec 2014 16:37:04 No.430595 Report

Quoted By: >>430692 >>430697

>>Chicken-of-the-woods (Laetiporus sp.) is something every culinary fungi eater/grower needs to aspire to grow and eat. It is absolutely amazing as a main dish fungi.

Laetiporus cultivation is only theoretical at the moment.

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Madsen Maskingevær !!o9Rj2xAYif5 Thu 11 Dec 2014 21:44:06 No.430672 Report

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Dinosaur Soldier update. he has now started to root

moved him to a whiskey glass just cause it looked better the the plastic

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Anonymous Thu 11 Dec 2014 22:26:30 No.430692 Report

Quoted By: >>430700 >>430725 >>430742 >>430743

>>430595
The internet is amazing. We now have full blown Laetiporus cultivation. You can buy plugspawn here,

http://everythingmushrooms.com/grow-your-own-mushrooms/chicken-of-the-woods-laetiporus-sulphureus-100-pack/

http://www.fungi.com/product-detail/product/chicken-of-the-woods-plug-spawn-approx-1000-plugs.html

My split logs have some mycelium fuzz growing on them low to the ground. The trick seems to be to actually stand the log on end or lean it up and bury about 4-6 inches of it into the ground so it never dries out as much as other logs for mushrooms do. I'll probably end up selecting a couple trees next season and using plug spawn on them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Dec 2014 22:27:32 No.430694 Report

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>>430672
LOL

Very promising!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Dec 2014 22:31:36 No.430697 Report

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>>430595
This may also help:

>Optimal conditions of mycelia growth of Laetiporus sulphureus sensu lato
www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/21501203.2014.957361

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Dec 2014 22:37:33 No.430700 Report

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>>430692
>Laetiporus

Here's another site that has a few different cultivars, just scroll down,

Laetiporus persicinus “Anderson”
Laetiporus gilbertsonii var. pallidus “Isaqueena”
Laetiporus gilbertsonii var. pallidus “Phil”
http://www.mushroommountain.com/grow_your_own/strains.asp

All I have in my area seems to be, "Laetiporus sulphureus".

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Anonymous Thu 11 Dec 2014 23:52:37 No.430725 Report

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>>430692
this is super neat!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Dec 2014 00:43:15 No.430742 Report

Quoted By:

>>430692

>The internet is amazing. We now have full blown Laetiporus cultivation. You can buy plugspawn here,

You can buy morchella spawn too, doesn't mean anyone has cultivated it with any kind of repeatability or consistency.

There are lots of photos of attempts, I have my own (pic related) But where are the success photos?

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Anonymous Fri 12 Dec 2014 00:45:46 No.430743 Report

Quoted By: >>430832 >>430887

>>430692
>The internet is amazing. We now have full blown Laetiporus cultivation. You can buy plugspawn here

You can buy morchella spawn too, doesn't mean anyone has cultivated it with any kind of repeatability or consistency.

There are lots of photos of attempts, I have my own (pic related) but where are the success photos? I have never seen any.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Dec 2014 03:47:23 No.430831 Report

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I've decided to build a fence for my garden this winter. I've torn down my grandparents' old fence and now have lots of free room for a bigass garden.

So how can I learn the skills I need to build a fence? Is there a good book on woodworking?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Dec 2014 03:53:11 No.430832 Report

Quoted By: >>430833 >>430835

>>430743
On a scale of 1 to 10 where 10 is highest level of difficulty, Chicken-of-the-woods is only a 3 and morchella is a 10. I think the latter is due to the fact they need actual trees to help them along, similar to truffles or a secondary fungi as part of the equation.

When my Laetiporus logs flush, I'll post photos. That might be next year or 2 years from now.

>Error: Our system thinks your post is spam. Please reformat and try again.

>We used a culture of L. sulphureus (LS-BG-0804 strain) isolated and grown as before [1]. Fruiting bodies were grown under laboratory conditions in chambers at 21°C without low-temperature stimulation on sterile sunflower shell substrate. Immature fruiting bodies (primordia) appeared 14 d after the substrate was fully colonized with regular air-spray moistening. Methods for organic acids [2]; free carbohydrates, water-soluble polysaccharides (WSPS), and base-soluble polysaccharides (BSPS) [3]; mannite [4]; and chitin [5] were used for quantitative analysis.

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Anonymous Fri 12 Dec 2014 03:55:24 No.430833 Report

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>>430832
>That might be next year or 2 years from now.

Seems Stamets says these are super fast and he had fruiting logs in as little as 3 months. then again he is a grand wizard of mycofarming.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Dec 2014 04:05:21 No.430835 Report

Quoted By: >>430971

>>430832
Oh sweet,

>Successful large-scale production of fruiting bodies of Laetiporus sulphureus (Bull.: Fr.) Murrill on an artificial substrate
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3599174/

>It was found that shocking the fungus mycelium with cold water or low temperature was the only suitable method for forced fruiting of L. sulphureus strains.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Dec 2014 07:01:20 No.430887 Report

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>>430743
ive heard of people cultivating chaga mushrooms
they are used in a brew but the natural chaga is better
it grows on birch trees

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Dec 2014 11:33:49 No.430971 Report

Quoted By: >>430980

>>430835

>On a scale of 1 to 10 where 10 is highest level of difficulty, Chicken-of-the-woods is only a 3 and morchella is a 10. I think the latter is due to the fact they need actual trees to help them along, similar to truffles or a secondary fungi as part of the equation.

Where are the pictures then? I'm not being funny, when you post photos of your successful mulsh>log grow they will be the first ever.

Lets look at this study
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3599174/

>professional mycologists
>large scale study testing dozens of different strains and substrates
>best they achieve is tiny fruit, covered in trich with a BE of 15-21%
>call it a success and the first one at that.

You're tripping if you think L. sulphureus is a 3/10

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Anonymous Fri 12 Dec 2014 12:02:30 No.430980 Report

Quoted By: >>431006

>>430971

Also this is a good reason not to bother cultivating L. sulphureus.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Dec 2014 14:51:39 No.431005 Report

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>>427579
the green light is going to be pretty useless. Plant's reflect it because they don't need it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Dec 2014 14:54:19 No.431006 Report

Quoted By: >>431056

>>430980
>not to bother cultivating L. sulphureus.

Is this misworded or just sarcasm? Because the reason to cultivate them is to enjoy tons of awesome fungi for eating.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Dec 2014 18:51:51 No.431056 Report

Quoted By: >>431075

>>431006

Misread maybe? My point is it grows almost everywhere, and often in 60lb flushes. If you can forage it locally I would focus on cultivating something you can't find and/or something that isn't so difficult.

It is one of the nicest eating mushrooms though, tastes quite unlike anything else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Dec 2014 19:32:22 No.431075 Report

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>>431056
>My point is it grows almost everywhere

I really wish it did. I my area I've only ever seen 2 spots where it grows on a log or live tree with 1 spot someone told me about. The largest flush from those was only 11lbs and it was the last one ever since that log is now gone. Even the local myco club people have never seen them IRL in this area. I'm hoping to catch that 3rd spot, because it sounded like it was a rather large flush on a massive log, but it is very out of the way to get too.

Being able to grow it outdoors and indoors would be a massive boon. I've been hunting mushrooms for a few decades now and have only found 17lbs of L. sulphureus ever.

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Anonymous Sat 13 Dec 2014 00:47:32 No.431179 Report

Quoted By: >>431185

I guess this is the best place for this, so i'll give it a shot.

So i bought a dwarf alberta spruce from home depot to use as a christmas tree in my tiny apartment. I'd ultimately want to keep this tree alive for many years.

So that is my query. Basically, what is the best way of taking care of an outdoor plant indoors?

Its the about the same size as whats in the pics, which is around two feet tall, and i would guess is already a few years old.

Thanks for any advice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 13 Dec 2014 01:40:33 No.431185 Report

Quoted By:

>>431179
>Basically, what is the best way of taking care of an outdoor plant indoors?

You need to research bonsai methods of keeping a tree indoors. It is rare that trees can be kept indoors through normal methods. Many species need a cold dormant cycle. People that keep indoor bonsai have refrigerators dedicated to the dormant cycle of their trees. Aside from that, you'll need quite a bit of light. So, if you don't have a good solar exposure most of the day through lots of windows, you'll need to use grow lights.

FYI, normally bonsai are kept outside and only brought inside for events to show them off or work on them.

Do some research into your species of tree. Just google the name you gave us, there are many people out there that have used those as xmas trees and tried to keep them indoors too long. They seem to be a Zone 3-6 plant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 07:12:03 No.432249 Report

Quoted By: >>432329

>>424609
Where the hell can I buy an Olla? I live in Australia so saving water will be important with coming droughts in sunny QLD. No idea where I can get them around here though.

These sound great. Anyone have any experience with them?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 14:38:34 No.432329 Report

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>>432249
You can either make one yourself and fire it, or find a pottery place and buy any of their really large earthenware stuff that has a lid. It can't be glazed or it won't allow water to seep out through the walls.

Other ways to save water is to use thick mulch, drip irrigation with timer, and in-ground barriers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 22:14:53 No.432447 Report

Quoted By: >>432452 >>433374

>>424609
>>424611
Does anyone have replacement links to the piratebay info links in the OP? Obviously they don't work anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 22:40:06 No.432452 Report

Quoted By: >>433374

>>432447
Oh god, forgot about that. Goddamnit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 Dec 2014 13:38:50 No.433374 Report

Quoted By:

>>432447
>>432452
It seems that "thepiratebay.cr" has a mirror of the older stuff like in the OP. HOWEVER, this isn't the real pirate bay and any new torrents are highly suspect, so guard your poopers if you use it. For the older stuff, just search the names, like "Backyard Liberty Aquaponics System" or "Aquaponics The First 12 Months". Take caution when using that site (script blocker, browser proxy, torrent proxies, browser sandbox, P2P sandbox, VPN, etc.)

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Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 05:54:05 No.434042 Report

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My Hungarian wax pepper plant is doing well. Only my ghost pepper is declining. I think it is root bound too much or something since it is in with the scorpion which is getting massive with growth. There's some ladybugs in the house that congregate at the window. They have kept the plants aphid free all this time. Plants in another location haven't been as lucky to have the ladybug guard and aphids are eating them up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 09:13:23 No.434101 Report

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>>425850
>>427094
They're fairly hot, more punch than a jalapeno. I put them in my hot mustard dill pickles because they add a bit of heat without overpowering the mustard and dill.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 09:19:53 No.434103 Report

Quoted By: >>434355

>>429625
>Only 1 time I've had trouble is with pumpkin and squash seeds not being dried properly. If that happens, they will get mold on them.

Do you ferment your pumpkin and squash seeds? This is the first year I'm saving pumpkin seed and tried it both ways.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 10:03:27 No.434109 Report

Quoted By: >>434355

I live in a house downtown from my college. The house is pretty small and sandwiched between other houses causing me to get very little direct sunlight.

That being said, has anyone used a grow lamp? There is a TaoTronic LED bulb and supposedly the results are pretty good.

I could also probably cut some tarp to block the light.

I would probably grow herbs like basil or oregano or something to improve the air quality like hardy mums.

Thoughts?

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Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 18:28:13 No.434202 Report

Quoted By: >>434355

Is anyone into bonsai?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Dec 2014 01:22:17 No.434355 Report

Quoted By:

>>434103
>Do you ferment your pumpkin and squash seeds?

No. For saving them to grow, I dry them out. For eating I roast them.

>>434109
I just use long fluorescent lights for my peppers. Try to time the amount of direct sunlight the place you want to grow stuff in gets. If it is 4 hours or more then you are good to go with just a light or two, unless you are growing a lot.

>>434202
I had several bonsai, but I'm down to only 1 now that I'm still training in-ground. I've been training it for like 5 years now. It is a difficult process due to the style (neagari). I won't know how I need to shape the branches until after the roots are fully exposed. Then the art begins. I actually need to dig the entire thing up and replant it this season, I neglected it last season, unfortunately.

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Anonymous Sun 21 Dec 2014 17:17:04 No.434602 Report

Quoted By: >>434731

What are the best plants to put inside a terrarium? I know some require a more humid environment and others a dry one, such as cactus and succulents. But can I have more specific names?

What about for light bulbs?

And last question: has anyone made an indoor water garden? What species did you use? How do you take care of it?

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Anonymous Sun 21 Dec 2014 18:02:10 No.434620 Report

Quoted By: >>434621 >>434715

Do I need to prune this basil?

The pictures are shitty because I am not at home and my dad took them for me.

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Anonymous Sun 21 Dec 2014 18:03:49 No.434621 Report

Quoted By:

>>434620

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Anonymous Sun 21 Dec 2014 21:55:43 No.434709 Report

Quoted By:

bump

Sorry, I am desperate

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Dec 2014 22:02:46 No.434715 Report

Quoted By: >>434720

>>434620
No, basil only needs to have blooms removed. It could use more light probably.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Dec 2014 22:07:33 No.434720 Report

Quoted By:

>>434715
It is under the light, he just took it inside to take the pictures.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Dec 2014 22:24:18 No.434731 Report

Quoted By: >>434738

>>434602
Most plants can use grown in a terrarium. It really depends on the terrarium size that matters. If you want something wee tiny then you'll need to use plants that terminate as small sizes. Otherwise, you can have full size trees and be playing hunger games in a terrarium.

So, what size are you thinking about? Then go from there.

>What about for light bulbs?

How big?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Dec 2014 22:32:21 No.434738 Report

Quoted By: >>434745

>>434731
I still didn't have any recipients or light bulbs. First I would check the species I could find around the city (which is actually quite hard here), so then I would pick up a proper vase or light bulb for them.

If you have any names for me I would appreciate it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Dec 2014 22:37:40 No.434745 Report

Quoted By: >>434748

>>434738
Baby’s Tears (Soleirolia soleirolii)
Moss (any usually)
British Soldiers (Cladonia cristatella)
Pixie Cups (Cladonia pyxidata)

That stuff can be put into really small terrariums.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Dec 2014 22:39:18 No.434748 Report

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>>434745
Thank you. I suppose all these ones require a lot of humidity.

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Anonymous Mon 22 Dec 2014 17:13:11 No.435127 Report

Quoted By: >>436750

I have some oregano seeds from one plant that I'm trying to sprout. Just planted them. These seeds are sooooo tiny (pic related). The stem they come from smells so different from the store bought stuff. It sort of opens up my nostrils like menthol does in cough drops. I know these need full sun, but I'll see how they do with a window and a grow light. Will report back with progress.

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Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 00:59:59 No.435721 Report

Quoted By: >>435723 >>435769 >>436924

Need some help to ID what this is and fix it. Earlier this year these leaves were covered in red mites but I haven't seen any for months, the damage keeps getting worse. Twisted leaves, chunks missing (despite never seeing anything large biting it), and white powder on the bottom of leaves. Some leaves especially the smaller ones shrivelled up and died.

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Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 01:01:31 No.435723 Report

Quoted By: >>436924

>>435721
Photo of powder predominantly underneath

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 03:33:26 No.435769 Report

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>>435721
What type of plant is it?

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Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 18:19:22 No.436750 Report

Quoted By: >>439797

>>435127
Well, it has been 4 days or so and 2 tiny sprouts have started. Hopefully, they are indeed oregano.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 03:20:31 No.436924 Report

Quoted By:

>>435721
>>435723
Some plants have a natural powdery surface when their leaves mature. Lamb's Quarter is like that. But, if you have a problem with mildew, just hose it off with water every day. That usually stops most problems with powdery mildews. Just be careful not to over water the soil.

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Anonymous Sun 28 Dec 2014 14:10:38 No.437571 Report

Quoted By: >>437573 >>437861

When should I trim arugula? Should I cut it to incentive its growth? I have some poor arugula in a container. What should I do? And I took it inside to photograph.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Dec 2014 14:18:22 No.437573 Report

Quoted By: >>437576

>>437571
I think I'd let it repair itself after that injury. The injury itself will act a bit like a trim.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Dec 2014 14:28:42 No.437576 Report

Quoted By: >>437787

>>437573
What do you think it is the cause of this? I let my dad taking care of it, and he doesn't know crap about gardening.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Dec 2014 23:19:06 No.437787 Report

Quoted By:

>>437576
Improper moisture in the soil or close to some heat or was around something that caused a concentration of too much direct sunlight or something got splashed on it like pet urine. Could be several things.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2014 02:14:12 No.437848 Report

Quoted By: >>437908

I often see rabbits in my yard. I think they might be living under a pile of wood I have sitting out there.
How viable is the idea of setting up traps, capturing them and farming them?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2014 02:38:35 No.437861 Report

Quoted By:

>>437571
cut off any yucky bits like that early about 1/8th - 1/4 inch from soil. that way it'll put more investment into new shoots (which won't be gross and will be tastier)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2014 04:21:42 No.437908 Report

Quoted By: >>438231

>>437848
If you can get male and female for breeding then it is highly viable. They have a massive turn-around rate for breeding that is amazing. You'll have a nice source of manure for composting and fertilizing crops too. The only down side many people have with raising rabbits is that if they are doing it for meat/fur, many people are unwilling to butcher them and turn them into pets. This usually starts when someone names them. For people like that chickens are usually better since they can be pets and still give eggs. Then there's no moment of indecision.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2014 13:33:57 No.438025 Report

Quoted By: >>438047 >>440510

i have a bag of 50 crocus bulbs , but here it is almost january and the ground has already frozen.

i am in Zone 6a Northeast US. is it too late to have these things flower in spring? can i place them into planters and put them out into the weather?

i have never planted a bulb before , let alone this late in the season.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2014 15:16:01 No.438047 Report

Quoted By: >>439592

>>438025
>Zone 6a
>ground has already frozen.

Really? I live in Zone 5 NE and everything is a rainy muddy mess.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2014 21:21:12 No.438231 Report

Quoted By: >>438278

>>437908
Yeah. I grew up in the country and we raised goats for meat and milk. It's not so great when you have to kill your buddy, and goats are intelligent, social animals. That was a hard lesson to learn as a kid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2014 22:27:54 No.438278 Report

Quoted By: >>438465

>>438231
Same here. That's why animals that give you food or materials while still alive can work out better for all involved. So, eggs, milk, and wool are a good place to start. Makes me wonder how fur/wool from those super fluffy rabbits would be like sheered.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5RrGFBbbSY

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2014 02:46:50 No.438465 Report

Quoted By: >>438490

>>438278
I know there are dogs you can shear and make yarn out of their coats.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2014 03:12:39 No.438490 Report

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>>438465
Yeah, "chiengora".

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 02:12:22 No.439507 Report

Quoted By: >>439511 >>440514

Hey guys, not sure where to start never posted this thread before but here we go. I got a section about 40 yards by 60 yards that I've been wanting to plant on. I've had experience with Bell peppers, tomatoes, and watermelons that's about it, I was wanting to plant some fruit trees too since it gets pretty windy here since they've knocked down a ton of yukes in the process of building. What other plants will help my Bell peppers, and tomatoes stay pest free, I want to start out with some basic plants that I'm used to. Also, Is burnt firewood good for plants?
>Yes I am slow and have no clue what I'm doing for the most part.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 02:34:28 No.439511 Report

Quoted By:

>>439507
>120'x180' = 21,600sqft

That's massive. I have 5,100sqft of garden space and I grow well over a 2 tons of produce a season on it and I'm only half trying and organized really. I only used about 700sqft this year and grow over 1 ton of produce.

>fruit trees

As wind breaks?

>What other plants will help my Bell peppers, and tomatoes stay pest free

I have really good luck with marigolds as a trap plant for slugs. They are also super easy to grow and look good in the garden.

>I want to start out with some basic plants that I'm used to

What do you like to eat? Start there.

>Also, Is burnt firewood good for plants?

You'll need to read up on that. Wood ash is a rather powerful chemical fertilizer. Google "wood ash garden".

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 06:31:52 No.439592 Report

Quoted By: >>439719

>>438047
I'm in zone 7a and it's been below 20F for the last 36 hours and won't get above freezing for another day or two. Last night's low was 3 degrees (minus 16 centigrade). Wind chill was well below zero. Ground's frozen about three inches deep now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 14:25:18 No.439719 Report

Quoted By: >>439791

>>439592
That was posted a few days ago when it was 65F-70F. Right now it is a balmy 8F this morning. The ground is just a little crusty with ice, but still able to dig in it. It won't be for very long though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 17:56:02 No.439791 Report

Quoted By: >>439797

>>439719
Winter has come.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 18:04:12 No.439797 Report

Quoted By: >>439813

>>439791
B-but I have indoor plants!

>>436750
7 days later and not much change. It's been super cold outside, cold inside, and the window sill I had these seedlings on was so cold the seedlings were doing nothing at all the entire time. I moved them up into warmer air and now they've doubled in size and 4 more have sprouted up and it's only been 6 hours. Amazing what a little warmth does.

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Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 18:32:50 No.439813 Report

Quoted By: >>448157

>>439797
I also put these reflectors on the pots to help get more natural light to the seedlings. If you ever do this, you must crumple up the foil so it diffuses the light. Otherwise, you'll end up making a solar funnel that will simply cook your plants if direct sunlight hits it. These are made from discarded greeting cards, tape, and heavy duty aluminum foil. You can't really see the seedlings in the image, but that's not the point.

Madsen Maskingevær !!o9Rj2xAYif5

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Madsen Maskingevær !!o9Rj2xAYif5 Fri 02 Jan 2015 19:35:15 No.440468 Report

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Now that the Christmas akvavit and new year marzipan ring cake has settled in my stomach i thought it time for a Dinosaur Soldier Update.

i believe he is almost done splitting and his root is growing good and strong. i hope he will sprout soon. cant wait

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 20:23:57 No.440510 Report

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>>438025
it's not too late to put them in the ground, as long as you can dig them in. they only need a month or so of cold for their diapause afaik. I'd put 'em in 4 inches deep and replace the snow for insulation
you have to be careful with potted plants in winter because the pot freezes a lot faster than the ground does and you have to keep them dry or the bulbs will rot
crocuses are zone 6-8 hardy so they might not tolerate a really bad freeze, but you can keep pots in a sheltered spot like a garage and bring them out when it starts to warm up

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 20:27:18 No.440514 Report

Quoted By: >>441818

>>439507
you're supposed to rotate tomatoes, verticillium and other fungi stay in the ground for years

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Jan 2015 21:08:05 No.441818 Report

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>>440514
Rotating really helps to alleviate a lot of pest/disease problems. I finally have my setup so that I don't plant the same family of plants in the same spot until 7-8 years have passed.

My only problem would be plants that grow insanely long, like pumpkin. You may not plant them in the same place, but they can still grow 50+ feet long and access the areas they were in the seasons before. So, overwintering stuff can still get to them very easily unless you have more than one garden some distance away.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Jan 2015 01:56:04 No.442074 Report

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>>425850
The ones in the pic look like Aurora peppers. They're pretty good, just as hot as habenero, with a nice rose-ish smell. Grew them last year in my garden, but this year I'm just going to plant them in pots.

danniard

danniard Mon 05 Jan 2015 05:00:21 No.442204 Report

Quoted By: >>442411

Hey. I want to do some hydroponics. NFT specifically. It will be a vertical setup in Minnesota for leafy greens. I am looking for content for this. Most of the links in this are bad b/c TPB is down. Does anyone have links to hydroponics stuff for NFT specifically, or even links for the content of OP from TPB with new links...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Jan 2015 14:07:42 No.442411 Report

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>>442204
Try searching "hydroponics" and "aquaponics" on "kickass.so". I know it has some of that content.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 07 Jan 2015 15:50:21 No.443742 Report

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-5F/-20C outside with around 6 inches/15CM of snow.

Inside however, my Hungarian Wax Pepper plant is blooming and fruiting again. The older peppers are almost all fully ripe and ready to be dried.

My other peppers, green bell, ghost, and scorpion are not blooming. The ghost is crowed, the bell is looking a little haggard, and the scorpion is growing massive.

>pic of H.wax peppers

I wish I knew how easy H.wax pepper plants are to grow and fruit and how tasty they are on everything. I'd have started growing them years ago. I've already eaten half my stash of dried and crushed H.wax pepper.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 07 Jan 2015 15:52:35 No.443745 Report

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My oregano seedlings are popping up like crazy. 15 total, but one succumbed to the cool and damp environment and got stem rot. Hopefully the rest will be fine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jan 2015 22:07:03 No.443938 Report

Quoted By: >>443946

About to go make some raised beds out of scrap cedar (non treated) wish me luck y'all

If they turn out well I may take some pictures, if not I may take some pictures, depending on how good/bad they look

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Jan 2015 22:20:22 No.443946 Report

Quoted By: >>444106

>>443938
Take pics regardless. Sometimes you can get good advice or even inspire others.

Remember, a raised bed can be made from just about anything, even just mounded soil without a boarder. Good luck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 00:45:42 No.444028 Report

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I'm trying to start up an indoor hydroponic garden. I'm thinking of planting some garlic, onions, sweet and hot peppers, romaine lettuce, and mint. I'm considering a NFT setup, but could go for an ebb and flow table if it seems better suited for the job. For lighting, I'm thinking of using fluorescent lights (either T5 tubes or CFLs). I'm still in the preliminary planning stages, but is there anything in particular I should worry about?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 02:09:01 No.444106 Report

Quoted By: >>445050

>>443946
Alright, will do. I didn't take any today, but I've got half of one bed constructed. My method is three courses of scrap wood nailed to corner 2x4 supports. I was originally going to go with corner brackets on the exterior of the box to support three courses of wood attaches at a 90* angle, but what I found out once I had dry-fitted all the joints is that the bracket was simply not wide enough for both pieces of wood to fit. Pictures will definitely be taken of today's progress once I return tomorrow, as well as tomorrow's progress.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 16:51:05 No.444568 Report

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Hey /out/, I have a window box in a south facing window that is approximately 18 inches long, 10 wide and 8 inches deep. I'm curious what sort of plants I can grow in it. I'm assuming it's too small for vegetables, but maybe herbs or flowers can grow in it?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 09 Jan 2015 08:41:33 No.445050 Report

Quoted By: >>445051

>>444106
Alright y'all, took some pictures today. This first picture is the completed box upside-down, after I nailed and attached a second half of the frame.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 09 Jan 2015 08:44:08 No.445051 Report

Quoted By: >>445052

>>445050
This one is a picture of one of the corner joints. As you can see, it is not an exact science. The wood I'm using is all scrap from a fence, and so it's a little unruly, but hasn't had too many major cracking issues during construction since I weeded out most of the bad planks already, so that's good.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 09 Jan 2015 08:46:17 No.445052 Report

Quoted By: >>445055

>>445051
This one is a picture of me sitting in the upturned bed. It's reasonably sized at approx. 6'x3' so I should be able to load it with veggies without having to crawl around inside of it or anything.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 09 Jan 2015 08:50:46 No.445055 Report

Quoted By: >>445152 >>445377

>>445052
Last one here of the bed dug into the ground (for the most part) and unfilled. I've got around a cubic yard of healthy, loamy gardening soil stored on the other side of the house to use, and I used some of it today to fill over a little of the interior of the box.

Overall for this first box I definitely could've been more accurate with my joints and nailing in general, but since it was the first one, and largely an experiment, I was happy with it and I think it'll work for my purposes. I plan to have the second one completed tomorrow and with any luck I'll have pictures of that as well, hope y'all like these.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Jan 2015 15:57:32 No.445152 Report

Quoted By: >>445258

>>445055
Nice!

I wish things were still green here. -15F and 6 inches of snow on the ground.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Jan 2015 16:52:02 No.445178 Report

Quoted By: >>445201 >>445536

Can anyone explain to me why exactly raised beds are advantageous? My buddy used them last season for his garden and it didn't seem to do much but make it harder to weed, till, and access the plants. This was especially true later on in the season when the plants started getting pretty big.

I can potentially see them being useful if the soil doesn't drain well on its own or if you're in an adverse climate, but here in the Midwest raised beds seem to be more trouble than they're worth.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Jan 2015 17:42:49 No.445201 Report

Quoted By: >>445202 >>445216 >>445218

>>445178
It sounds like they were improperly created, used, and/or maintained.

>Can anyone explain to me why exactly raised beds are advantageous?

-Better drainage and soil air flow.
-No need for tilling since it never gets compacted. Just planting and digging up crops is tilling enough.
-Due to the lack of tilling, mycorrhizal symbiosis is enchanced, increasing water and nutrient uptake, resulting in higher yeilds, better drought, cold, pest, diease, heat tolorances, and soil toxicity.
-Soil temps are higher at the beginning and ending of the seasons to extend the season a bit.
-You can more easily use polytunnel systems to have year-round gardening.
-You can more easily cover with cloth or netting to prevent frost or certain pests from harming crops.
-Permanent watering systems are easier to install and maintain.
-Reaching things is much easier, especially if your raised bed has a wide wall you can sit on.
-You always have well established walkways for you and your tools/wheelbarrow.
-It creates a buffer zone for weed seeds and many crawling pests.
-Less need for weeding and when you do need to weed it is super easy to reach and pull out of loose soil.
-Easier to apply intensive gardening techniques for much higher yields.
-Complete control over soil composition.
-Landlords normally allow it, because it does not destroy the hardpan of the yard and can be easily moved/removed.
-You can more easily employ a wide range of permaculture techniques.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Jan 2015 17:43:50 No.445202 Report

Quoted By: >>445203

>>445201
Tips for making raised beds:

-Cover the tops or find a way to prevent water build up in them (tiles, bricks, etc). If it freezes in your area, any water remaining inside the blocks has the chance of freezing and splitting them. This makes them much nicer to sit on too. This will also help prevent weed growth inside the blocks. Some people plant stuff inside the blocks.

-To reduce the amount of soil you need for your plants, look into type of "hugelkultur" where you fill much of the space with logs, deadfall, or yard waste as >>338985 has done in the top left image of the raised bed closest to the camera. Then simply cover that with good compost/soil. This extra biomass will continue to decay and add nutrients for your plants.

-Walkways around the raised beds should be wide enough for you to use anything you want on them. Do you have a wheelbarrow? Make the walkways wide enough to fit it through without a problem. Do you have a pickup truck? You may want a section where you can back the truck right up to the beds to load/unload things. Do you have a lawnmower that dumps yard waste? Having it back right up to the beds and dump stuff directly into them is really great.

-Walkways made of stone and brick will become extreme slick in winter and when wet from rain. Walkways of gravel are great for extra grip and safe to walk on at all times. However, gravel walkways are not as fun to walk on barefooted. Always place an underlinement (old vinyl floor, catfood/livestock feed bags, etc) under the gravel or stone/brick walkways to prevent weeds from growing up. Proper edging is great to help contain gravel, making it easier to mow around.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Jan 2015 17:44:50 No.445203 Report

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>>445202
-Walkways also help prevent transference of some pests to your raised bed by becoming a desert boarder.

-I recommend installing a watering system that you can use a timer for. Soaker hoses or drip lines are great for these.

-The soil will be very loose, so when you use stakes to hold vines and tomatoes, make them so long that they will also enter into the solid ground under the raised beds. This will prevent them from simply falling over as the plants gain weight and wind blows.

-Slugs and snails love the masonry in and around the blocks. This is also another reason for putting something on the tops of the block holes. Beer traps are especially good for capturing these. French and Mexican marigolds are also a terrific trap plant for slugs. They will zoom straight to them, passing up your vegetables. Line the inside of the beds with marigolds and/or beer traps.

-Polytunnels are easily placed over these raised beds. You can install some pipes/rods on the outside corners and edges that can be used to attach polytunnel hoops to. This will keep the blocks inside the polytunnel for extra thermal mass. Use a fan inside these tunnels. Use double layers of plastic when it is really cold in the winter. Use water-filled, black-painted containers to add additional thermal mass. You can garden all year round with these as our greenhouses.

>end copy-pasta

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Jan 2015 18:41:48 No.445216 Report

Quoted By: >>445237 >>445250

>>445201
>never gets compacted
this seems like bullshit to me, any soil will eventually get compacted if you don't work it and continuously add organic material. conversely, any at-level garden where you work in similar amounts of compost will remain uncompacted.
>buffer zone for weed seeds
this is only an advantage when establishing the garden. after it's been around for a few years your soil will have weed seeds in it
>more easily use polytunnels
don't they need to be taller if the bed is raised?
>soil temps are higher at the ending
uhhh...increased air contact means the raised bed will freeze out earlier, rather than later. this seems like it's only a benefit if you use a tunnel
>mycorrhizae
first off this is assuming incompetent gardening in the ground, you're implying that someone without a raised bed wouldn't establish good soil culture. secondly, not all plants (in particular: the Brassicaceae!!) benefit from mycorrhizae, for these plants or given the wrong culture mycorrhizae might even hurt! the effect of tilling on specific mycorrhizae is, as far as I'm aware, still somewhat unclear.
The only intelligent application I know for raised-bed gardening is in a situation where you can't dig (either through weakness or rules) or space is extremely limited (urban application). Everything else just seems faddish.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Jan 2015 18:44:33 No.445218 Report

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>>445201
Thanks for the info dump. I suspect that he didn't maintain them properly at all. Allowing the mycelia to remain undisturbed seems like a substantial benefit

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 09 Jan 2015 19:38:59 No.445237 Report

Quoted By: >>445240

>>445216
>all this ignorance

You should probably read up on the subject before posting again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Jan 2015 19:41:22 No.445240 Report

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>>445237
asshole

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Jan 2015 20:22:09 No.445250 Report

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>>445216
by the way, this isn't meant as an attack on no-till. I have some issues with no-till advocacy but the point is: it doesn't require raised beds

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Jan 2015 20:30:31 No.445258 Report

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>>445152
Haha it is pretty nice. Normally those plants would be mostly dead and brown but we've been getting a lot of rain lately, so the winter weeds have thrived.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 01:05:54 No.445377 Report

Quoted By: >>445378

>>445055
Hey y'all, raised-bed guy here again, feeling accomplished as I've finished all four boxes! Here's the first picture, of the second long box completed. Yesterday I had all the boards cut for this one (save for the 2x4 corner supports, that I cut today) so with my previous experience, assembly was a breeze.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 01:09:02 No.445378 Report

Quoted By: >>445379

>>445377
On the corner joints of this one I decided to go with 5 nails, with the two outer boards each getting two. I did this to ease the construction of the bed because having two nails precludes the unwanted rotation of the boards while I'm putting the two halves of the box together. This box was slightly more accurate as far as measurements and corners, so I was a little happier with its structural integrity.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 01:12:53 No.445379 Report

Quoted By: >>445380

>>445378
In this picture you can see how I've demarcated where in the ground I need to dig holes for the support posts. What I'm using for markers are corner brackets that I was originally going to use to connect the corners of the box. Unfortunately, they were not long enough for the thickness of wood that I'm using, but they come in handy here.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 01:14:54 No.445380 Report

Quoted By: >>445381

>>445379
Here's the second bed in the ground, next to the first, with the soil inside of it turned up.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 01:17:08 No.445381 Report

Quoted By: >>445383

>>445380
After the completion of these two boxes, I began construction on the first of two smaller 3x3 boxes that I would place beyond the long boxes, for either tall plants or sprawling plants. I'm not 100% on the composition of my garden, but I think the versatility offered to me by my beds will be helpful down the line.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 01:19:47 No.445383 Report

Quoted By: >>445385

>>445381
This one went together quite easily, as the smaller length of the boards made connecting everything together much simpler.

In my opinion this one is the most esthetically appealing of the four, but I'm sure it'll get a nice patina of grey in the next few months.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 01:21:28 No.445385 Report

Quoted By: >>445386

>>445383
After this bed had been completed and put out in the garden (but not dug into the ground yet) I started working on the fourth and final bed. I used the last of the wood here, so the quality and the color wasn't quite as appealing as the other box.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 01:25:33 No.445386 Report

Quoted By: >>445388

>>445385
Like I said this final bed was created using the last of the wood, and thus I had to make some design concessions due to the whims of my materials. This particular corner, for example, was a nightmare. The bottom board had a piece come out while I was nailing it in, and it developed a nasty crack when I did get it attached. The second board is very dry and was just solid enough to get two nails in without falling into a pile of sawdust. The third plank was mismeasured somehow and ended up being about 2.5" too short, so although it was in better shape than the other two planks, nailing it in was still a challenge. Luckily I got all three boards attached, and surprisingly they seem to hold up as strongly as the other joints, for now.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 01:28:42 No.445388 Report

Quoted By: >>445751

>>445386
Final picture here. Got all the beds in the ground where I want them, turned up all the soil inside, and accomplished my goal of getting the beds in the ground before the holidays are over.

Hope you've all enjoyed my construction

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 07:42:37 No.445536 Report

Quoted By: >>445743

>>445178
I live near Chicago and was thinking about putting in a dozen 8'x4' raised beds in the spring. But now that I think about it, it seems expensive and not really worth it. They do look nice though.

Mostly, I don't want to trim the grass that will grow tall on the sides. I could mulch around them, but I don't want to bother. I'm just going to stick with the ground, maybe mound it up some. I've got a ~cubic yard of compost I've been aging for quite sometime, can't wait for spring.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 19:45:29 No.445743 Report

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>>445536
>it seems expensive and not really worth it
this is my impression as well
>maybe mound it up some
the problem with mounding it up is you speed up drainage, so you need more water. in the summer especially this can hurt you.
nice melons

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 19:53:15 No.445751 Report

Quoted By: >>445755

>>445388
Very nice. I hope it goes well for you. What kind of soil are you going to fill them with?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 20:00:00 No.445755 Report

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>>445751
Thanks! I hope it goes well too. I bought approximately one cubic yard of garden soil (very loamy and light consistency, with compost mixed in for nutrients) so that's mainly what I'm going to fill the beds with. The natural dirt around here is pretty lacking in nutrients, so buying and hauling a load of dirt ended up being the best solution.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Jan 2015 06:38:59 No.446812 Report

Quoted By: >>447082 >>447169

>tfw during the winter this thread gets so few posts

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Jan 2015 19:22:47 No.447082 Report

Quoted By: >>447169

>>446812
It's gardening, there isn't much to do, unfortunately.
Also, my blackberry vine is dead. :( I've read a little bit that it's possible to get new sprouts if you replant the tip of the vine, is this true?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 12 Jan 2015 22:57:59 No.447169 Report

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>>446812
>>447082
That is why greenhouses and polytunnels are important.

>>447082
>Also, my blackberry vine is dead. :( I've read a little bit that it's possible to get new sprouts if you replant the tip of the vine, is this true?

Sorry to hear that. Normally, propagation is done without cutting the plant until after it has rotted where you want it to root. You may be able to do what you want, give it a try. Also, if your blackberry is outside and it is winter, it may just be dormant.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 14:00:54 No.448157 Report

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>>439813
It has taken forever, but the first true leaves finally sprouted on these oregano seedlings. It is pretty cold here and that adversely impacts their growth rate.

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Kentucky Bourbon !I/lAILwc1w Wed 14 Jan 2015 21:50:48 No.448355 Report

Quoted By: >>448359 >>448361

Hey guys. To start: I'm only tripping for this particular thread since I plan to be asking questions and want to find the conversation easier.

I'm going to be building three 3'x10' raised beds this spring with tax return $$$, putting paving stones between them, and erecting a netting canopy around them to keep animals/birds out.

So far I know I'd like to grow:
>carrots
>Onions
>Garlic
>Sweet or Snow peas
>bi-color corn
>Zucchini
>Summer Squash
>Asparagus
>Bell Peppers
>Cayenne Peppers
>Serrano Peppers

But I don't think that will be enough for 90 square feet. Does anyone have suggestions?

I also wanted to try growing wheat or oats for personal consumption. I worked out that 30 square feet (an entire bed) would give me either 4 pounds (13 cups) of flour or 2 pounds (10 cups) of oats. Would this be worth it? Or would I have to plant a larger area for it to be worth doing.

I plan to build my raised beds out of wood. 2 2x4's at the corners, and 2x6's at the sides to prevent bowing, using 12 inch boards to create a 2 foot tall raised bed with the supports buried 2 feet into the ground.

The enclosure I plan to build will be made from 4x4s and 2x4s with a door, all covered with chicken wire. I plan to rig up a pvc pipe system to water the plants with sprinklers by screwing a garden hose into an inlet.

Thoughts? Any/all suggestions are welcomed and appreciated.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 22:02:32 No.448359 Report

Quoted By: >>448384

>>448355
>suggestions
why not potatoes? why aren't you growing any cruciferae? lettuce? granted, these are mostly cool-season crops. for summer...tomatoes? sweet potatoes?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 22:07:42 No.448361 Report

Quoted By: >>448384

>>448355
One crop you didn't list is Radishes, I'd highly recommend growing them alongside your carrots, and even alongside the Zuchini to keep away beetles (I think it's the smell). Another crop I'd recommend is Cucumbers or Pickles. You might also have some luck with beans? They're a popular crop, and you can use them in so many dishes. Another tip: plant Rosemary with your carrots, the rosemary tends to ward off harmful insects that would eat the leafy tops and tops of the roots.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 22:32:36 No.448368 Report

Quoted By: >>448370 >>448376 >>448480

What does it take to grow herbs and such indoors?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 22:38:16 No.448370 Report

Quoted By: >>448382

>>448368
It's about as simple as it gets man, you just need seeds, some soil, something to hold the soil, water for the growing plant, and some form of light or sunlight.

"Windowsill plants" like Basil and Thyme are pretty hard to mess up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 22:46:44 No.448376 Report

Quoted By: >>448382

>>448368
if you can grow herbs outdoors, do it
basil works as a potted plant, even a windowsill on the south or west side of your house works, but it does a lot better in the ground

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 22:55:41 No.448382 Report

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>>448370
>>448376
Indoors for the moment because it's cold and covered in snow here at the moment. I was hoping to start up a little garden and replant them outdoors when spring comes.

Kentucky Bourbon !I/lAILwc1w

Kentucky Bourbon !I/lAILwc1w Wed 14 Jan 2015 23:00:33 No.448384 Report

Quoted By: >>448392 >>448400 >>448480

>>448359
Oh I forgot those. I plan to do cabbage, broccoli, cauliflower, and spinach.

Not sure about 'taters. My experience with them is that they take over an area and produce small potatoes that weren't worth cultivating... do you have any suggestions to overcome this?

I don't tend to eat raw tomatoes but I do want to make my own spaghetti sauce and ketchup. What are the best tomatoes for that?

>>448361
Not a fan of radishes tbh. Any other pairing suggestions for warding off beetles?

The Rosemary suggestion is good. I'll definitely try that. Will it ward off beetles too or no?

Will also probably plant a cucumber plant to have some to eat raw. Can't stand pickles. Probably because my mother ate shitloads of them while pregnant with me lol. At least that's her theory.

Beans I will probably plant some sort of string bean alongside my peas. Do you have a suggestion for a nice pea pod type bean that is easily stir fried or sauteed and doesn't have a lot of stringy fiber or a tendency to get hard as shit?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 23:14:52 No.448392 Report

Quoted By: >>448395 >>448396 >>448405

>>448384
>pairing suggestions for warding off beetles

Oh yes, there are many strategies for a gardener who doesn't want to use insecticides. My favorite is decoy plants (Marigolds work the best for this strategy in my opinion) that attract insects and deter them from ever getting close to the vegetables. I plant marigolds at both ends of my raised beds. Another strategy is to grow your plants under row covers, which will keep away all but the most determined of insects. This, however, makes cultivating large harvests of certain plants that don't self-pollinate more difficult, although not impossible. A third strategy is to halt the advance of ground bugs by using straw mulch, which can be effective against snails and slugs and their ilk.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 23:22:04 No.448395 Report

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>>448392
I love marigolds. I will do that.

Do they have to be in the box with the plants or can I plant them alongside the path in the ground outside the boxes?

Kentucky Bourbon !I/lAILwc1w

Kentucky Bourbon !I/lAILwc1w Wed 14 Jan 2015 23:24:03 No.448396 Report

Quoted By: >>448411

>>448392
I love marigolds. I will do that.
Do they have to be in the box with the plants or can I plant them alongside the path in the ground outside the boxes?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 23:31:54 No.448400 Report

Quoted By: >>448406

>>448384
>spaghetti sauce and ketchup
the traditional choice would be romas
the best choice depends on where you live because local pests and climate play a big role, your extension office should have good information
dunno much about taters, the variety and spacing will influence size. you're supposed to use certified seed tubers to reduce disease incidence, propagating them at home isn't really sustainable for very long

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 23:38:22 No.448405 Report

Quoted By: >>448407 >>448411

>>448392
marigolds are great for warding off root nematodes
they can apparently attract spider mites though, which are also bad
the "trap crop" idea is nice but the devil is in the details: sometimes all a trap crop will do is attract the pests which then move on to your vegetables
i.e. it's important to observe the results
interplanting in general can reduce the spread of disease/pests

Kentucky Bourbon !I/lAILwc1w

Kentucky Bourbon !I/lAILwc1w Wed 14 Jan 2015 23:38:25 No.448406 Report

Quoted By: >>448408

>>448400
I live in Central Florida.

That's probably my problem with the taters. I used budding eyes from store bought spuds. Where do you get legit seeding potatoes? Got an organic source to share?

Kentucky Bourbon !I/lAILwc1w

Kentucky Bourbon !I/lAILwc1w Wed 14 Jan 2015 23:41:38 No.448407 Report

Quoted By: >>448410 >>448416 >>448480

>>448405
What would you suggest for the best method or mix of methods for natural/organic pest control?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 23:44:24 No.448408 Report

Quoted By:

>>448406
>I used budding eyes from store bought spuds.
yep, that's your problem right there
>Where do you get legit seeding potatoes?
any local seed & feed store or serious nursery should have them, in season
if you have trouble finding them contact your extension office

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 23:51:20 No.448410 Report

Quoted By: >>448507 >>448804 >>448830

>>448407
sorry I've never tried organic farming
IMO it's kind of bullshit because you still use chemicals to control pests and disease, just the most primitive ones available
careful soil culture, sterilization of tools, crop rotation, and above all observation (nighttime as well!) will help you but you may still need to spray

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Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 23:52:05 No.448411 Report

Quoted By: >>448480 >>448507

>>448396
I've always just put them right in the beds, but as long as they are close I don't see why it would be a problem for them to be on the ground outside the boxes.

>>448405
Great point, keen observation is necessary to make sure that what you're doing is working

On an unrelated note, does anyone else have to deal with Himalayan Blackberry? Just uprooted a small infestation that was no doubt inadvertently started by a dumb bird, this shit is hard to remove!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 00:18:27 No.448416 Report

Quoted By: >>448507

>>448407
oh, and never forget the simplest pest control method: find the pest and squish it. if you go out hunting at night you can easily control damage from hornworms and snails at your scale

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 00:22:50 No.448417 Report

Quoted By: >>448480

Good way to trap slugs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8kzTfxX9Pk

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 01:11:16 No.448433 Report

Quoted By: >>448446 >>448480

Is mushroom growing possible for a new comer?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 01:36:48 No.448446 Report

Quoted By:

>>448433
It depends on your environment, the type of mushrooms, and how much time/money/blood sweat and tears you're willing to invest

But probably, yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 02:53:17 No.448480 Report

Quoted By: >>448507

>>448368
Good full sun windows and/or grow lights, pots big enough for them, a fan to blow them around gently, and hand pollination, depending on the plants you grow if you want seeds.

Stuff like onion and garlic greens are really easy to grow, especially garlic greens.

>>448384
>Not sure about 'taters. My experience with them is that they take over an area and produce small potatoes that weren't worth cultivating... do you have any suggestions to overcome this?

It may just be the cultivar of potato plant you are trying to grow. Try an early harvest variety or plant your variety earlier in the year to give them long growing times. Some are naturally small, like Red Pontiac. Yukon Gold are medium sized (best flavor of "normal" potatoes), but I've had some pretty big ones before. Russets can get massive (bland flavor). Russets have a long growing season and Yukon gold have a really short growing season.

Try your hand at growing Sunchokes/Jerusalem Artichokes (Helianthus tuberosus). They are really good. They really sweeten in flavor if you leave them in the ground until after several frosts or keep them in the fridge for a few weeks after harvest.

>>448407
Insect hotels. Build several around and in your garden. They can attract many beneficial insects like pollinators and predatory wasps. They can look as nice and artful as you want or not. Oh, and fine netting over your brassica plants will help keep most moths off them.

I've found that marigolds attract slugs away from my other plants in droves. It is amazing. Couple that with beer traps like in >>448417 and you won't have slug problems.

>>448433
Yes, but you'll need to grow saprophytic/saprotrophic types. Those are ones that feed on dead and rotting organic materials. The easiest ones are Pearl Oyster (Pleurotus ostreatus).

>>448411
>does anyone else have to deal with Himalayan Blackberry?

Cultivate it, make wine or jam. Funny thing is, the more you try to cultivate it the harder it is to keep.

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Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 03:46:17 No.448506 Report

Quoted By: >>448511

This plant has poor growth, the flowers have poor form and the stem/leaf growth is weak. There are these little cocoons on the stems full of white powder stuff (eggs or something I don't know) . What are they and what do I do? I can't pick them all off individually.

Kentucky Bourbon !I/lAILwc1w

Kentucky Bourbon !I/lAILwc1w Thu 15 Jan 2015 03:47:39 No.448507 Report

Quoted By: >>448513

>>448410
I don't plan to use any chemicals at all. No spraying. Nothing that isn't natural.

>>448411
Good suggestions. Thanks fellow /out/doorsman.

>>448416
I just wish I could have chickens... If I had chickens it wouldn't be an issue I'd just let the little guys have free reign inside my enclosure.

>>448480
>potato speak
Do you have any suggestions for Yukon Gold seed stock?

>Artichokes
I feel like that would be a waste of garden space for me. The only time I ever really like them is in spinach & artichoke dip which I only ever eat when at a restaurant lol

>insect control
Are slugs traditionally a problem in central florida? In the years I've lived at my current house I've never seen a single slug or snail. I plan to use the marigold trick, and if I start noticing a lot of slugs I'll probably do the beer traps too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 03:56:03 No.448511 Report

Quoted By:

>>448506
>white cocoons
>white powder stuff

Sounds like some sort of mealy bug to me. Often times, they will leave such residue as that when the females produce offspring. A light dabbing of methylated spirits to the affected regions will kill the mealy bugs. It happens to succulents more often than flowers though, do you happen to have any aloe or cactus? You should keep an eye on those too. But overall, if you can see the white cocoon-like regions, you can probably eradicate the infestation as long as you're diligent about managing the egg deposits, while also not being too liberal with the rubbing alcohol (too much can hurt the plant, and if it soaks the soil it may inhibit growth). Good luck anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 04:08:39 No.448513 Report

Quoted By: >>448524

>>448507
>Do you have any suggestions for Yukon Gold seed stock?

You mean where to buy it? Just buy them from a local store or online. I bought mine from a local place that sell them by the 50lbs bag. The ones from grocery stores will usually be treated with an anti-sprouting chemical, but it wears off fairly easily. Just cut them up so there's an eye on every piece with about 1 inch of flesh attached (eat excess flesh). Let these dry for abut 3 days then plant.

>I feel like that would be a waste of garden space for me. The only time I ever really like them is in spinach & artichoke dip which I only ever eat when at a restaurant lol

They are not artichokes, nor from Jerusalem. They have more in common with water chestnuts. Really crunchy-watery with sweet nutty flavor.

>Are slugs traditionally a problem in central florida?

According to google, "yes." I'm sure it depends on your local area and what boarders you have between your plants and where the slugs are. For instance, I only have slugs where I live that are a problem, but in other gardens within the county people have snail problems.

Marigolds really set off a garden with their flowers too.

Kentucky Bourbon !I/lAILwc1w

Kentucky Bourbon !I/lAILwc1w Thu 15 Jan 2015 04:26:18 No.448524 Report

Quoted By: >>448745

>>448513
>Potatoes
What I was asking was if you have any specific recommendations for online sources. Who do you like to order from?

>water artichokes
God no

>Slugs and slug accessories
Alright. Marigolds it is. Not that I have a problem with it they're pretty and smell nice.

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Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 14:52:41 No.448745 Report

Quoted By: >>448771

>>448524
>water artichokes
>God no

Sunchokes are not artichokes and not even close to being like them. It is a root vegetable with similar texture as water chestnut, which is another root vegetable.

>Alright. Marigolds it is. Not that I have a problem with it they're pretty and smell nice.

The stronger the smell the better they work. So, Mexican Marigold will work better than French, but normally French is all you can find where I live.

>specific recommendations for online sources. Who do you like to order from?

It doesn't matter. Just go by price.

Kentucky Bourbon !I/lAILwc1w

Kentucky Bourbon !I/lAILwc1w Thu 15 Jan 2015 16:24:29 No.448771 Report

Quoted By: >>449020

>>448745
I find water chestnuts particularly offensive. I don't know why, they actually taste pretty good, but the combination of that taste and their texture just... eugh

Are strawberries easy to grow? Would they do well with the rest of the vegetables I plan to plant? What other fruits are easy to grow in planter boxes besides your typical berries?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 18:07:41 No.448804 Report

Quoted By: >>448830 >>448859

>>448410
Those "primitive chemicals" as you call them are generally either a mix of plant oil extractions like garlic and peppermint oil, or diatomaceous earth, which isn't a chemical, it's fossilized phytoplankton that kill the bug through irritation, not poisoning. Either of them are harmless to humans, as all of these "chemicals" are used in organic medicine practices. With that said, a properly planned and maintained organic garden doesn't need the use of even organic pesticides. The main goal of organic farming is to build soil structure through continuous addition of compost, manure and essentially all organic matter. Just to clear that up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 19:32:16 No.448830 Report

Quoted By: >>448897

>>448804
>>448410
The only chemical I use for pests is water. Just a spray that's hard enough to knock pests off but not so hard it damages the leaves. It works great for aphids.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 20:22:59 No.448859 Report

Quoted By: >>448897

>>448804
the main goal of organic farming is to sell yuppies overpriced food
you are mixing up philosophies re: soil structure, a lot of conventional farming uses conservation tilling as well
you have no idea what you're talking about with pesticides. organic farmers often use highly concentrated "naturally-derived" pesticides, e.g. pyrethrins and sulfur; see
http://www.colostate.edu/Dept/CoopExt/4DMG/VegFruit/organic.htm

Kentucky Bourbon !I/lAILwc1w

Kentucky Bourbon !I/lAILwc1w Thu 15 Jan 2015 21:25:41 No.448897 Report

Quoted By: >>448910 >>448946

>>448830
>aphids

Why not just introduce ladybugs? They're pretty and eat aphids.

>>448859
The goal of "organic farming" is to have a source of minimally processed and artificial chemical free food that doesn't post any health risks or have side effects.

The fact that hipster yuppies have picked up on it and turned it into a fad does not diminish the fact that organic food is higher quality.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 21:40:52 No.448910 Report

Quoted By: >>449131 >>449139

>>448897
>organic food is higher quality
[citation needed intensifies]
per http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/90/3/680.full
>there is no evidence of a difference in nutrient quality between organically and conventionally produced foodstuffs

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 22:02:19 No.448925 Report

Quoted By: >>448927

I thought the main goal of organic farming was so giant companies could use government certifications to hijack the progress made by small sustainable farms and push them out using a web of bureaucratic crap.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 22:04:01 No.448927 Report

Quoted By: >>448937

>>448925
this is also believable
but no matter how you slice it the produce from these farms is substantially more expensive than conventional

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 22:19:35 No.448937 Report

Quoted By: >>448946 >>448948

>>448927
Certainly, its a shame. Its partly why I do my garden.

I dont know if its intentional or not but getting the certification is way easier for big industrialized farms than for small ones.
You can be as sustainable and conscious about your impact as you want but it doesn't mean you get a certification. Did you spread some rabbit manure a little to close to harvest? Well too bad.

I've worked for a small farm that did everything "organic". From lasagna beds to pollycultures and food forestry. They didnt have the certification even though it was a yoga mom's wet dream. You could see workers blood boil at farmers markets when people would say "is this organic". Truth is it wasnt certified but it was way more 'organic' than most stuff in the store.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 22:25:06 No.448946 Report

Quoted By:

>>448897
>Why not just introduce ladybugs? They're pretty and eat aphids.

Because they are not enough and there's 1000s of them already. They are great for indoor use though.

>>448937
Yeah, organic labels in stores and certifications are a bit of a bore really. It is an improperly used term in my opinion. not only that but some store owners spray shit with uncertified pesticides once they get the organic certified stuff.

I just skip all that shit and grow my own. All my food allergies stopped when I did and that's good enough for me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 22:26:08 No.448948 Report

Quoted By: >>449045

>>448937
yeah the big players definitely have undue influence on regulation
I dunno about manure though, it may be a small risk but it can contain E coli and spread it to veggies. Some of the "sustainable" anti-farming community strike me as essentially anti-scientific luddites

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Anonymous Fri 16 Jan 2015 01:03:49 No.449020 Report

Quoted By: >>449131

>>448771
In my experience, strawberries are about the easiest things to grow. They're pretty hardy and they proliferate through creeping runners which you can let spread throughout their section. Keeping them within their confines is as easy as scooching the runners back into their area if they start to spread out too much.

As for some other fruits, you might try watermelons. I don't actually have any experience with them, though. I hear they're a little more difficult than strawberries are.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Jan 2015 01:27:11 No.449045 Report

Quoted By: >>449072

>>448948
>I dunno about manure though, it may be a small risk but it can contain E coli and spread it to veggies.

Only because of ignorance. ALL manure MUST be composted for the proper amount of time in proper ways. Never put raw or "hot" manure on any ground that has plants growing in it or will grow in it within the time it takes for the manure to properly compost. Times vary with how you compost and what manure you are composting. It can take from 4 weeks to over 1 year.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Jan 2015 01:42:01 No.449072 Report

Quoted By: >>449135

>>449045
yeah but you're ALLOWED to use composted manure, the organic guys are bitching about not being able to use it fresh
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2013/11/21/246386290/organic-farmers-bash-fda-restrictions-on-manure-use

Kentucky Bourbon !I/lAILwc1w

Kentucky Bourbon !I/lAILwc1w Fri 16 Jan 2015 03:29:06 No.449131 Report

Quoted By: >>449137 >>449138 >>449139

>>448910
>implying it isn't
>implying loading plants with artificial chemicals designed to change how they grow, mature, and react with the world at large isn't going to have a negative effect somewhere down the line
>implying the fruit or vegetable matter of said plants wouldn't contain the same chemicals in varying amounts
>implying eating those chemicals wouldn't be harmful to you
>implying growing said plants WITHOUT these chemicals and thus eating no chemicals would somehow not be better for you than eating these chemicals

Have fun with your round up salad I'll be over here eating fruits and veggies without poison in them, thanks.

>>449020
Will strawberry runners grow on trellis like bean vines or no? If they do, will they grow fruit?

I plan to do melons. I want to get one or two of those 'abnormal' varieties with yellow or purple flesh and see how those are.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Jan 2015 03:46:45 No.449135 Report

Quoted By:

>>449072
Well, some people are fucking morons. That can't be helped. If those people had sections set aside for composting it there then added it to the field there'd be no problem at all. But, people are fucking morons. I mean look at that article. One company still can't compost so they buy heat treated chicken crap pellets instead. It is so absurd.

I bet if you said the words "crop rotation" or "fallow" they'd stone you to death. Allowing a field to go fallow as part of your crop rotation helps completely compost field strewn raw manure before the next crop (12 months later, instead of 9 months like the FDA would require).

But, people are fucking morons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Jan 2015 03:48:15 No.449137 Report

Quoted By: >>449180

>>449131
>Will strawberry runners grow on trellis like bean vines or no? If they do, will they grow fruit?

They are ground runners and will take root, fruit, and form tons of new plants. Don't tie them up like tomatoes or beans.

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Anonymous Fri 16 Jan 2015 03:50:18 No.449138 Report

Quoted By: >>449139 >>449180 >>450873

>>449131
>artificial chemicals
>implying there's a difference between a synthetic chemical and the same naturally-produced chemical
>literally still believing in vitalism
Have fun with your skin cancer from "natural" solar exposure. If God didn't want us to tan he wouldn't have made it so goddamn attractive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Jan 2015 03:56:36 No.449139 Report

Quoted By: >>449144 >>450936

>>449131
>>448910
>>449138
Take this back to /b/, please. Because this only leads to one fucking place and that is threads like this: >>>/ck/6144721

So, keep it out of the Homegrowmen threads, please.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Jan 2015 04:02:15 No.449144 Report

Quoted By: >>449147

>>449139
why the middle post, I'd LOVE hard evidence that organic produce is better for you
by the way, I find excess round-up use very disturbing, it's just not as black-and-white as the "natural" crowd makes it out to be

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Jan 2015 04:07:30 No.449147 Report

Quoted By: >>449153 >>450936

>>449144
Irregardless, we don't need the thread to devolve into mud slinging. It has happened in the past. These threads are more about being informative, asking questions, and showing off what you are doing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Jan 2015 04:15:03 No.449153 Report

Quoted By: >>450936

>>449147
goddamn man why you gotta be so NICE
okay I'll cool off

Kentucky Bourbon !I/lAILwc1w

Kentucky Bourbon !I/lAILwc1w Fri 16 Jan 2015 05:04:00 No.449180 Report

Quoted By:

>>449137
Keep them on the ground. Got it.

>>449138
Dude go away.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Jan 2015 07:31:58 No.449221 Report

Quoted By: >>449235 >>449264

These threads are really helpful. Can we have one stickied?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Jan 2015 08:45:28 No.449235 Report

Quoted By: >>449389

>>449221
Usually we don't get enough traffic here in the farm and gardening thread to warrant a sticky, but don't worry, this thread never actually dies, so a sticky is unnecessary. It'll always be there, with the same green clover as the OP picture, only with a new number at the top. Now I don't know about the ability to archive such threads, or even if /out/ as a board is archived on any external site, but that would be something to look into if you want information from past, dead gardening threads.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Jan 2015 14:13:32 No.449264 Report

Quoted By: >>449389

>>449221
Yeah, stickies don't happen. Archives happen, but 4chan's own archive system eventually drops threads off: http://boards.4chan.org/out/archive

There are 3rd party websites that archive sporadically. There's also at least 1 other chan that is a copy paste of Homegrowmen threads. The oldest archives are for Homegrownmen in /ck/.

Hopefully, alternative links for the defunct pirate bay will be posted in the next one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Jan 2015 20:49:23 No.449389 Report

Quoted By: >>449546

>>449264
>>449235

I'll just keep lurking then and save the pertinent info. Wanted to say thanks, you guys seem like really cool anons/anonettes for posting and sharing all this cool stuff.

Keep up the quality stuff and I guess we'll just have to filter out the edgetards and 12 year olds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Jan 2015 21:23:12 No.449403 Report

Quoted By:

>>429123
Pesto that shit!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Jan 2015 03:23:13 No.449546 Report

Quoted By: >>449617

>>449389
Thanks man. I've found that the boards and threads that are about actually doing something productive (/diy/, many /out/ threads, many /k/ threads, some /asp/, and of course this thread) are often better quality than the threads and boards that are more about judging other's content (/tv/, /pol/, /mu/, and /v/ spring to mind).

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Jan 2015 06:27:36 No.449617 Report

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>>449546
Yeah you're right. I'm kicking myself for not lurking here sooner, seems like the real adults ultimately end up here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Jan 2015 07:11:12 No.449644 Report

Quoted By: >>449646 >>449731 >>449732 >>449735

My family got me a small lime tree for christmas. I repotted it in some new soil and brought it back to my apartment where it's sat by my big sliding glass door, and I only water it ~every two weeks when the top inch of soil starts to get dry.

In the 2 weeks I've owned it, it's lost probably 60% of its leaves, and it loses 4 or 5 more every day.

What the hell is going wrong? Am I killing it somehow?

Should I fertilize it more than what was in the soil already?

I see new tiny little leaf buds growing out of some of the branches, but at the rate that it is losing leaves the thing will be completely baren before any of these grow in.

There's also some sort of thin layer of white shit built up on some of the leaves, is this some sort of fungus that could be killing it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Jan 2015 07:19:17 No.449646 Report

Quoted By: >>449647 >>449731 >>449732 >>449735

>>449644
>thin layer of white shit built up on some of the leaves

Is it powdery, or does it come off easily when you rub the leaf? Also, are you watering near the base of the plant, or are you sprinkling water from the top down? What is the humidity like in your house? And finally, what size is the pot you have it in, and what soil are you using?

It could very well be suffering from powdery mold, or it could simply be stressed by the sudden shift in its environment and soil, say, if it were in a humid and warm greenhouse, or a cold and dry backyard, suddenly being moved into your apartment could cause it to react negatively. But the prolonged nature of its present affliction makes me hope that it is a fungal disease that's affecting it, because otherwise I don't know why it would be dropping leaves at that rate, other than some affliction of the pot being too small or the soil being too acidic/alkaline/filled with herbicide.

Pictures would probably help greatly with this, if that was possible. Hope this helps

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Jan 2015 07:21:08 No.449647 Report

Quoted By: >>449649

>>449646

Thanks a lot for your reply.

I'm exhausted right now so I'm going to go to bed, but I'll answer and provide pictures when I wake up tomorrow. Might you be around then to see my response?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Jan 2015 07:28:01 No.449649 Report

Quoted By: >>449731 >>449732 >>449735

>>449647
No problem man. Regrettably I'm going camping for the long weekend so chances are I won't be back online until Monday afternoon, unless I can find wifi somewhere along the way. The good news is that this thread will almost certainly be here when I return, as well as the fact that I'm not the only one with expertise in taking care of small trees. If I can, I'll get online and see if I can give you some answers after viewing the images, so I'll try and do that either tomorrow, or Sunday. Best of luck

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Anonymous Sat 17 Jan 2015 16:04:54 No.449731 Report

Quoted By: >>449732 >>449735 >>449743

>>449649
>>449646
>>449644

Here's the whole thing. Probably ~8" diameter pot.

The white stuff on the leaves looks powdery, which I'll show in my next photo, and it does rub off when I rub the leaves.

I'm also just now noticing as I take these pictures small white spots which look like fuzzy mold growing on the top of the soil which seems bizarre because as I mentioned before I only water this plant every 2 weeks and I have a drainer on it, so it's not like it's soaking wet all the time.

I water at the base of the plant, humidity in my apartment is probably low because it's winter and the heat is always at ~68 F.

The soil is just some sort of gardening soil, I potted it while I was on vacation so I don't remember exactly what kind it was.

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Anonymous Sat 17 Jan 2015 16:06:20 No.449732 Report

Quoted By: >>449735 >>449743

>>449731
>>449649
>>449646
>>449644

Closeup of one of the leaves. You can also see all of the little flowers which were previously on the plant have since fallen off ;___;

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Anonymous Sat 17 Jan 2015 16:08:33 No.449735 Report

Quoted By: >>449743 >>449753

>>449732
>>449731
>>449649
>>449646
>>449644

Some of the ends of the branches (leaves?) are also turning this crispy black color, which you can see on the right of this photo.

That clipped part of that branch was not me, it was like that when it was bought.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Jan 2015 16:51:37 No.449743 Report

Quoted By: >>449752

>>449731
>>449732
>>449735
Put that in your shower and hose that shit off. Use as stiff a spray as you can without harming the leaves. You can tell it harms the leaves if the section you are spraying starts to turn dark suddenly, so limit the strength of the spray.

Use a washrag to gently wipe the leaves down as well. Do this every time you see that stuff. If you need to, put a plastic bag over the soil and tilt the pot on its side so you can spray it without saturating the soil.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Jan 2015 17:12:12 No.449752 Report

Quoted By: >>449778

>>449743

You want me to hose the leaves? I'm already losing ~5 a day without even touching them, I'm worried that if I hose them they'll all fall off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Jan 2015 17:13:51 No.449753 Report

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>>449735
i have no idea what i'm talking about, but it looks like you have some dead tissue on the plant. it's possible a mold made its way into the plant. trim off any dead tissue and try changing the soil being careful not to damage the roots

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Jan 2015 18:40:57 No.449778 Report

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>>449752
Hose them!

If they fall off, more will replace them. Leaves that fall off, fall off for a good reason. The plant is either done with them or you've given them way too much physical trauma. More than likely, any leaves that fall off should fall off. You should be able to shake the hell out of your plant without it losing more than 5-8 leaves max then no mare after that.

The more you physically manipulate your plant the stronger it will become to prevent damage to itself. This is why you need to use a fan on any indoor plants.

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Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 23:31:23 No.450471 Report

Quoted By: >>450555 >>450561 >>450646

I've been thinking of getting a couple gutters made at the local hardware store for using as trays for under my grow lights. The back of 1 gutter is flat so two of them can be put together easily. And, I can give them measurements to give me gutters that are exactly the length of the light bulbs. Since they are aluminum, they should last a lifetime.

It is January everyone. What seedlings have you started or are about to start in preparation for setting them out when spring comes?

>googled pic

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 02:30:42 No.450555 Report

Quoted By: >>450574

>>450471
>aluminum
aluminum can be bad for plants, especially in acid soils
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium#Effect_on_plants

Kentucky Bourbon !I/lAILwc1w

Kentucky Bourbon !I/lAILwc1w Mon 19 Jan 2015 02:47:51 No.450561 Report

Quoted By: >>450574

>>450471
See if you can find steel gutters. Aluminum and vinyl are going to leech into the soil and poison it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 03:07:46 No.450574 Report

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>>450561
>>450555
Oh no worries. I'll have a liner for them. I just need something long lasting to hold that form. lol Otherwise, I was going to use cardboard.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 04:50:58 No.450646 Report

Quoted By: >>450653

>>450471
I've got some cherry tomatoes that are leggy as fuck and quite a variety of peppers in solo cups. About to separate them so I can keep the peppers heated and cool the tomatoes down a bit so they get some fortitude.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 05:05:54 No.450653 Report

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>>450646
You can help prevent legginess in seedlings by using crumpled aluminum foil to reflect more light to them and using a gentle breeze on them all the time. More light always helps.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 12:22:28 No.450762 Report

Quoted By: >>450763 >>451066

When should i start sowing pepper seeds? I heard its pretty early.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 12:23:50 No.450763 Report

Quoted By: >>450764 >>450765

>>450762
In about 10 days!

Be careful with the weather though, i'd suggest keeping them inside unless you live in a warm climate with barely any weather hazards.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 12:24:50 No.450764 Report

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>>450763
Keeping them inside until spring*

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 12:33:31 No.450765 Report

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>>450763
Thanks.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 17:02:17 No.450825 Report

Quoted By: >>450826 >>451145

Me again.

Someone wanted more photos. I don't have all my photos, especially from the winter stuff since my SSD died. I don't have photos of all the harvesting since I didn't feel the need to take pics of everything. I'm not posting the food processing since this isn't /ck/, unless someone requests some of that, but I don't have too many pics of that.

I just lumped everything into these large collages in order to keep the post count down. Most are reposts you may remember. They are mixed up so some are winter, spring, planting, harvesting, cleaning, etc all in the same collage.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 17:03:45 No.450826 Report

Quoted By: >>450827 >>451145 >>451272

>>450825

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 17:05:25 No.450827 Report

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>>450826

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 17:07:01 No.450830 Report

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>>450827

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 17:08:41 No.450831 Report

Quoted By: >>450832 >>451145

>>450830

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 17:10:22 No.450832 Report

Quoted By: >>450940 >>451145

>>450831
Last.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 18:14:44 No.450863 Report

Quoted By: >>450881

what are the soda bottles full of black?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 18:49:56 No.450873 Report

Quoted By: >>450936

>>449138
>implying synthetic fertilizers are the same as natural ones

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 19:01:03 No.450881 Report

Quoted By: >>451309

>>450863
They are painted black and contain water. They are used to increase thermal mass and allow air to flow around them at night. They soak up the sun's heat during the day and release it at night. It allowed me to use a much smaller heater and fan. With those, the thermostat kicked on far less. They also work without the polytunnel and increase the surrounding temperature at night. This allows for an extended growing season before there is a need to put on the polytunnel.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 21:03:07 No.450936 Report

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>>450873

Please pay attention to where everyone said to keep this kind of bullshit out of these threads,fucknuts.

>>449139
>>449147
>>449153

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 21:06:51 No.450940 Report

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>>450832
Dear god these pictures are beautiful. Not the guy who asked for more photo's, but glad you posted them regardless. Amazing set up you have. I am completely jelly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 01:46:05 No.451066 Report

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>>450762
Like 2 months before the last frost day. You start those indoors, not outside in the ground. Then you set out the plants when the last frost date occurs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 03:45:58 No.451145 Report

Quoted By: >>451176

>>450825
>>450826
>>450827
>>450830
>>450831
>>450832
>cinderblocks instead of lumber for the raised beds

I don't understand. I keep seeing people, like you, who have built their raised beds out of cinderblocks instead of wood.

Even using cedar wood to build the raised beds, they come out cheaper than enough cinderblocks to build the same sized beds

How are you all doing this? Am I missing some special trick? Some secret deal? Some magical place where cinderblocks aren't a fucking dollar twenty five each?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 04:25:33 No.451176 Report

Quoted By: >>451179

>>451145
All the block and brick I use is second hand stuff. Most of the time it has chunks of mortar on it, as you can see in some images. Had I not used these, I would have used stone instead, which I have a good deal of.

A lot of times you can go to a construction site where they are tearing down a building that has blocks and/or bricks. These are normally bulldozed over or trucked out to another dump site. Sometimes they are sold right off the lot. If you talk to the guys working the job, you can often times get a few loads. You'll have to take it home and clean it up a bit. I've been able to get massive cut limestone foundation blocks, cinder blocks, house bricks, and furnace bricks this way. The largest cost was fuel for my truck.

Try craigslist and local freecycle.org yahoo groups. You may get lucky.

If you have a good source of stone you can use that to make dry stone walls (walls without mortar.)

If you have trees on your property you may want to use a few fresh logs and inoculate them with fungi plugspawn so you can harvest edible mushrooms. These will deteriorate faster of course, but you get food from it and they last a few years.

Even if you have nothing at all, you can simply mound up soil without a boarder. There is a practice known as "hugelkultur" that does this. Though, hugelkultur uses deadfall or logs in its core. You can use straw bales as the core or just grass yard waste. I use yard waste hugelkultur coupled with block boarders. If you have nothing at all, just mound up the soil or do container gardening, which is easy and yields very well when done correctly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 04:48:28 No.451179 Report

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>>451176
I'm building my beds out of untreated cedar fence paneling, but I was just curious about the material you used.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 08:38:01 No.451272 Report

Quoted By: >>451309

>>450826
What's going on with all the bottles? What are they coated with? Why? Is something in them, or are they, as I suspect, just air filled and used for insulation?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 16:50:58 No.451309 Report

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>>451272
see
>>450881

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Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 22:56:05 No.451443 Report

Quoted By: >>451475 >>451523 >>451707

>>425169
>november

Update on how your plants are doing? Did you bring any indoors to overwinter? How did the radishes do? I started some garlic the other day just for their green tops (ladybugs are patrolling for aphids). I love them fresh on sandwiches, in soups/stews and baked breads.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jan 2015 00:00:33 No.451475 Report

Quoted By: >>451509

>>451443
Dude what ladybugs on sandwiches, stews, soups, and breads?

You're a monster! Ladybugs are our friends!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jan 2015 00:59:49 No.451509 Report

Quoted By: >>451516

>>451475
I was wondering if anyone would do that, but I thought no one would since it was in the (uratard). lol

Bad thing is, sometimes they do end up in food. They taste HORRIBLE!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jan 2015 01:19:03 No.451516 Report

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>>451509
Well yeah that's because their hemolymph is toxic and smells super bad because, when threatened, ladybugs 'bleed' their hemolymph out of their knee joints in an attempt to ward off predators.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jan 2015 01:30:13 No.451522 Report

Quoted By: >>451524

Just ordered some corn salad/mache/lamb's lettuce seeds, 600. Inspired by Rabunzel story. Can't wait to get them growing! Hope everyone is having a good winter season. I'm itching to ignore winter and keep growing things, of course.

(FYI It's a salad green that grows in late or early season / dead winter... Famous for Rapunzel's mom who craved greens and saw it growing in the dead of winter.)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jan 2015 01:31:51 No.451523 Report

Quoted By: >>451524

>>451443
Oh! I'm surprised to see you growing this way, I have separated garlic into individual bulbs before planting. Care to elaborate? Thx & happy growing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jan 2015 01:42:53 No.451524 Report

Quoted By: >>451530

>>451523
I just want the green tops. so, there's no need to separate them. If I really want to separate them I can do it at a later date anyway, if I want to develop each clove into a new bulb. Technically, you don't even need soil for this.

>>451522
Do it. You can cover your crops with something to help them along. Like a cheap polytunnel. I've seen people use plastic shopping bags over individual plants before.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jan 2015 01:54:19 No.451530 Report

Quoted By: >>451534 >>451541

>>451524
Interesting about the bulbs/tops! What do you mean, don't need soil?

The mache - yes, I just made a soil patch* for a mini cold-frame I got for Christmas, which I'll plant once the moon is in Pisces (Jan 22, take it as you will, works for me) and I think I'll spread seeds on one of my raised soil mounds too -- I'll be traveling for a few weeks in latest winter, and it sure would be nice to come home to a patch of tasty greens.

*I garden in basically pure sand, so various experiments with adding organic matter / poo / compost / soil

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jan 2015 01:59:24 No.451534 Report

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>>451530
Oops, clarification -- I'll plant some lettuce, etc seeds Thursday but the mache won't arrive til next week (about time I ordered it, though, been thinking about it)

And I went winter-crazy and ordered other seeds as well, food and flowers... excited about the impulse purchase of wild blue lupine seeds which I think might grow well, if slowly, among the pines in the sand!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jan 2015 02:09:56 No.451541 Report

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>>451530
>What do you mean, don't need soil?

The tops will grow well without soil. Just give them water. There's enough energy in the cloves to give them good leaves to eat. But, with soil they will recover better from a few trimmings.

Well, it is the time of year to get things started. The growing season begins right now for most vegetables.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jan 2015 09:32:08 No.451707 Report

Quoted By: >>451778

>>451443
>Update on how your plants are doing?
The cilantro got attacked by some sort of tiny black aphids, I removed as many as I could but they were vigorous, and I eventually had to cut the plant down as it was wasting away. The parsley I also cut down, but I left it out on the windowsill and it's currently regrowing some new shoots that I can use in the kitchen. The basil flowered (I think because of the temperature and the stress, something like that) so I'm just letting it do its own thing, it looks pretty and that's basically that. The radishes I ate, no pictures but I had three that were very nicely sized at about 3/4" to 1" that I cut into a little salad, which was delicious.

>Did you bring any indoors to overwinter?
All in all, the only ones remaining are the parsley, which I cut down and is regrowing new shoots, and the basil.

Thanks for the interest! I should have some pictures of the new parsley and the basil in the coming days

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jan 2015 13:49:25 No.451778 Report

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>>451707
Aphids suck. The best thing is to wash them off, but that can be a bore if it is a lush plant like that. I'm glad I have an army of ladybugs in my house that scour every inch, of the plants I have, every single day. I washed aphids off my pepper plants several times and had them pretty much whipped, but when the ladybugs moved in it was the end of them for sure.

Birch

Birch Wed 21 Jan 2015 14:55:46 No.451790 Report

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I need some help. Apparently my indoor plants are being attacked by "fungus gnats." They've been multiplying and killing off my plants. I've had celery, tomatoes, and strawberries all infested by them and die. I've got a sticky trap by the window to catch them, and even though it's covered with gnats, it still doesn't make a dent. Any ideas to get rid of them for good?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jan 2015 15:21:35 No.451802 Report

Quoted By: >>451805

>>451790
1: Wash them off with spray powerful enough to knock them loose, but not powerful enough to harm the plant leaves. Cover the soil when doing this, if you can, and tip the plant to the side while spraying if it is in a pot.
2: Manually wipe down the plants if adults are hiding in the leaves.
3: Mist the plants with a water solution of concentrated tea of tobacco and coffee (don't touch or drink it!) Water your plants with this 1 time a week.
4: Completely change your plants' soil.
5: Cover all soil completely, with aluminum foil (plastic wrap works, but foil helps reflect light back up).
6: Remove and/or cover all other sources of soil in the room/house.
7: Water your plants less. Give them a dry-spell where they just start to suffer from the lack of water then water them.

The adults don't harm plants and don't even feed. They just mate, lay eggs, and die. The larva int eh soil are what kills your plants. They love algae and fungi and wetter soils that have lots of these will be lovely breeding grounds for them. Drier soils have a reduction in algae and fungi so they are less of a nursery for the gnats.

Covering the soil can interrupt the life cycle by preventing adults from coming out and breeding properly and laying more eggs. It also helps to prevent reinfection from outside sources.

http://www.ipm.ucdavis.edu/PMG/PESTNOTES/pn7448.html

Birch

Birch Wed 21 Jan 2015 15:45:02 No.451805 Report

Quoted By: >>451812

>>451802
Thank you very much! This really helps!
Question, would diatomaceous earth work for covering the soil?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jan 2015 16:01:57 No.451812 Report

Quoted By: >>451919

>>451805
>Question, would diatomaceous earth work for covering the soil?

A thick layer would probably work. you may Also try buying some beneficial nemotoads. They would be predators to any larva in the soil. Their health requires organic materials too though. The main reason bad insect infestations are so bad indoors is the natural predators are normally not around to kill them off.

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Kentucky Bourbon !I/lAILwc1w Wed 21 Jan 2015 16:25:58 No.451817 Report

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So I've finally finished my garden plan. What do y'all think?

Kentucky Bourbon !I/lAILwc1w

Kentucky Bourbon !I/lAILwc1w Wed 21 Jan 2015 16:32:22 No.451821 Report

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So I've finally finished my garden plan. What do y'all think?

The grey is going to be red 12" paving stones. The boxes are going to be built out of 6'x8' untreated cypress fence paneling and supported by heat treated 2x4's. The enclosure is going to be 4x4 posts with 2x4 framing and chicken wire.

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Kentucky Bourbon !I/lAILwc1w Wed 21 Jan 2015 16:33:36 No.451823 Report

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jan 2015 18:05:00 No.451863 Report

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>>451823
Looks pretty good actually. Wide walkways are really nice. Beds that are easy to reach the middle of are nice. Being higher up, instead of right on the ground is nice when digging root veggies and picking low veggies. Soaker hoses can sometimes be a pain if they are allowed to sink into the soil/mulch, so keep an eye on that.

The size of holes for the enclosure's fencing needs to be large enough for your pollinates to enter and exit easily. I think that most chicken wire has 1 inch holes and should be enough for honey bees, wasps, and flies to enter/exit easily. Bumble bees might have difficulty, but I've only seen them have major difficulty with the 1/2 inch holes. They are a major pollinator of squash, pumpkin, and gourds early in the morning.

The down side to holes large enough for pollinators is they will be large enough for cabbage moths and vine borer moths. You can use smaller mesh, over all your brassica plants to stop the cabbage moths easily. Other methods can prevent the vine borers.

If your area freezes, you will want to install a freeze-proof water hydrant as the main shut off for your entire water system. That way the water can drain out when you turn it off and nothing will freeze on the hydrant side (where you normally have another type of valve.) The water hydrants drain their entire riser pipe down into the ground when you shut them off. they are installed below the frost line and have a bucket of river gravel down there to allow the water to drain properly. They are great when you need water in the dead of winter.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jan 2015 18:53:16 No.451892 Report

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Ah shiiiet, these just came in, the bottom right ones are Jalapeno chichimeca seeds of which i gave a few to a friend.

Did you guys order anything?

Birch

Birch Wed 21 Jan 2015 20:02:27 No.451919 Report

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>>451812
Okay thanks, I'll try the things you mentioned. I really appreciate it.

Anonymous

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