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Anonymous Wed 31 Dec 2014 09:23:34 No.439155 View View Reply Original Report

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What do you guys think of natural medicine found in the outdoors?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Dec 2014 10:00:57 No.439167 Report

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>>439155
They're the basis for a lot of what we get from the pharmacy (digitalis from foxglove, salicylic acid from willow), but so dilute as to require that we take lots of them for much effect. That leads to the possibility of problems due to chemicals other than the desired medication in the plant and the real chance of overdose due to natural variations in chemical concentration within the plant.

So, if the world as we know it came to an end, I'd hunt up some foxglove for my in-laws' blood pressure issues. Since it hasn't, I'll stick with the pharmacy because it's a lot easier to be sure of concentration when you're making a thousand gallons of medication at a time than it is when you're grinding a few leaves with a mortar and pestle.

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Anonymous Wed 31 Dec 2014 22:14:02 No.439406 Report

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>>439155
90% of modern medicine originated from natural sources either processed and concentrated or copied via synthesizing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Dec 2014 22:15:35 No.439407 Report

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>>439167
>So, if the world as we know it came to an end, I'd hunt up some foxglove for my in-laws' blood pressure issues

That'd be good in the short term, hopefully due to the radical change in lifestyle and eating habits I can only imagine "the world as we know it came to an end" would bring, there's a chance the medical condition would actually clear up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Dec 2014 22:18:02 No.439408 Report

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>>439155
best case it's a worse version of what you can get at the pharmacy
worst case it's actively bad for you
remember this: the long-term effects of most herbal medicines have not been studied

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Dec 2014 23:14:55 No.439425 Report

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>>439407
Keep in mind, if we didn't have the technology for modern dentistry, optomitry, farming, predictor eradication, etc. the average lifespan would go back down to 20-25.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Dec 2014 23:42:09 No.439436 Report

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>>439425
yeah man, people would just like forget about toothbrushs

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Dec 2014 23:48:03 No.439439 Report

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>>439436
dental surgery and surgery in general are a lot less safe without good antibiotics

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Anonymous Wed 31 Dec 2014 23:52:57 No.439441 Report

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>>439408
>best case it's a worse version of what you can get at the pharmacy
,, WAAAHAAA HAAA!!!
,ooo thank you ANON,, now go read the PHysicnians desk reference.
,every,,, thats EVERY "DRUG" IS A KILL, with the exception of Marinol< Marijuanas imitation.
>>439408
>long-term effects
,ooOOO DOGE! how long are most PharmaStudys??
,, PROZAC was tested for 2 months,,, how long haveyou been on it?<please dont quit as it has permenently affected your brain.
,OBONGO care,, are you "worthy enough for life.

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Anonymous Wed 31 Dec 2014 23:53:04 No.439442 Report

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>>439439
im not saying it wouldn't go down. but for god sake the average was in the fourtys in the 1700s

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 02:38:14 No.439513 Report

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>>439441
I was going to write up a real response but then I realized you're just being dumb
please feel free to write something coherent anytime

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 05:31:35 No.439568 Report

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>>439425
Those low average lifespans included very high rates of infant mortality that won't return for generations, if at all, because we've learned tons about pregnancy and childbirth and SIDS in the past hundred years. Go look around an antebellum cemetery some time. It wasn't uncommon to have kids die at 4 years of age without having been given a name. It's damn depressing.

>>439407
>there's a chance the medical condition would actually clear up.
Not with ma-in-law. She's type I diabetic, been skinny and on insulin since she was 16. She'd be low carb as fuck if she ran out of insulin. My wife would be screwed, too. She's got MS and Copaxone don't grow on no trees, mang.

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Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 05:49:47 No.439573 Report

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>>439568
There's one thing you are leaving out. Knowledge. Back then people just had no clue at all. Today we know more in elementary school then handfuls of the best minds from past history. The biggest thing is prevention. You may be familiar with the pratice of washing your hands. That 1 thing of prevention helps prevent the spread of 100s of diseases. It is 1 thing that hasn't been in practice for very long in recorded history. But, we have that knowledge and it is taught to us as small children.

So, even though we'd not have modern medicines for a while, we'd still have the knowledge of many types of disease prevention.

>Not with ma-in-law. She's type I diabetic, been skinny and on insulin since she was 16. She'd be low carb as fuck if she ran out of insulin. My wife would be screwed, too. She's got MS and Copaxone don't grow on no trees, mang.

That isn't a blood pressure problem. Type 1 Diabetes is a "you die young and don't pass on your faulty genes" problem. Though MS is a bit of a wild card on its own and not tied directly to genes, only peripherally/laterally. As far as Type 1 Diabetes goes without insulin, there are people that manage doing it without adverse effects. If I had Type 1 Diabetes, I'd research into this heavily to get to the bottom of the truth.

>Copaxone don't grow on no trees, mang.

True, it is made form naturally occurring amino acids, "L- glutamic acid, L-alanine, L-tyrosine and L-lysine."

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Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 05:56:19 No.439575 Report

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>>439513
We've had this guy for a few weeks now at least. Posts every few days. I think he really does have something wrong with him mentally.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 06:13:25 No.439584 Report

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>>439573
>That isn't a blood pressure problem. Type 1 Diabetes is a "you die young and don't pass on your faulty genes" problem.
Correct, but the blood pressure issues have to do with glucose levels. She's been pretty good since she got her new but slightly used kidney 16 years ago, but not having insulin will likely bring back the blood pressure issues. That won't help her rented kidney a damn bit, I'm afraid. Neither will not having antirejection drugs. She's too far gone to do well without insulin, unfortunately. She was diagnosed almost 50 years ago and has been insulin dependent for about 40-45 of those years.

>There's one thing you are leaving out. Knowledge.
Nah, I mentioned it in the first sentence. I just wasn't as general with it as you are here. One specific thing neither of us has mentioned is the germ theory of disease. That knowledge shouldn't pass, so we'll avoid unnecessary leechings and not spread disease so eagerly as was once done. We also know things like it isn't a good idea to withhold fluids from someone with diarrhea, which was common practice until a couple of centuries ago. And we know what causes botulism now, too. Food preservation is a big deal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 06:14:55 No.439586 Report

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>>439575
I wonder what you have to be smoking/snorting/shooting for that to make sense, and I don't want to try it.

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