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Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2015 23:45:48 No.580377 View View Reply Original Report

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Recently picked up a Helle Alden while abroad strictly because it looked beautiful and I wanted to come home with a souvenir.

Anyone have experience with the durability and quality of a Helle knife? Anyone carry it while out?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 27 Aug 2015 02:17:35 No.580441 Report

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They look sweet! But can't afford one :-( seems like a nicer, better mora!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Aug 2015 21:56:56 No.582229 Report

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>>580377
You made a great choice helle are high quality knives

TheArborist !!6EWSCPNzHJp

TheArborist !!6EWSCPNzHJp Sun 30 Aug 2015 08:18:01 No.582626 Report

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>>580377

Helle are good, that knife will last forever as long as you don't do anything silly with it. Keep it safe or use it hard, either way it's a good choice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Sep 2015 02:23:20 No.583989 Report

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>>580377
Beautiful knives, much better looking than falkniven

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Sep 2015 02:37:02 No.584000 Report

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>>580377
Hella knives are all hand made in Norway.
Here is some history about your knife.
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/hadgpin6LSU"; frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Sep 2015 02:38:50 No.584003 Report

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>>580377
Are they baton worthy?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Sep 2015 02:39:01 No.584004 Report

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>>580377
>Helle Alden
>114$ on the zon

too rich for my blood

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Sep 2015 10:16:03 No.584212 Report

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>>580377
if i was going to get a helle i'd get the ultvaer. just seams stronger haha. good choice on the alden though!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Sep 2015 11:06:09 No.584232 Report

Quoted By: >>587383 >>587925

>>580377
>stainless steel

am i justified in being wary of stainless steel blades ? i never owned a high quality knife, but from my experience with cheaper ones carbon blades were always easier to sharpen and an edge longer.

Chucko !!uOAmHLBPjMD

Chucko !!uOAmHLBPjMD Tue 01 Sep 2015 11:35:35 No.584250 Report

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>>584003
I think they use stick tangs, which means its twice as good for battoning.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Sep 2015 01:25:43 No.584716 Report

Quoted By: >>585674

Easy to sharpen, decent steel, well worth the price. Helle deserves more praise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Sep 2015 01:35:49 No.584721 Report

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>>584250
twice as good? ID SAY TEN TIMES AS GOOD.

work hardening baton bricks to sharpen knife

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2015 23:13:52 No.585674 Report

Quoted By: >>585682 >>592851

>>584716
>decent steel

What steel do they use

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2015 23:25:23 No.585682 Report

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>>585674
Metul steal

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Sep 2015 22:44:44 No.587383 Report

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>>584232
Well that's kind of the thing with carbon steel over stainless steel

There is nothing wrong with stainless that is well heat treated but on average it isn't as easy to sharpen and it won't get the same keen edge that you get with carbon steels, but it is obviously more rust resistant which some people find to be a necessity and the higher end steels will hold an edge longer than most carbon steels so you have to consider what characteristics will best suit your needs

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Sep 2015 20:10:50 No.587925 Report

Quoted By: >>589296 >>595666

>>580377
Helle are like Moras. Stronger than what most people give them credit for. Just a much higher quality and F&F
Just don't be stupid with it (ie don't baton through huge knotty wood, use the tip as a screwdriver, etc)

>>584232
I'll be honest, my Mora Stainless can hold a edge very well.
Only difference is that stainless is more difficult to sharpen

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Sep 2015 22:36:55 No.589296 Report

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>>587925
Which holds an edge better, the mora stainless or the helle? Or are they equal?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Sep 2015 21:05:40 No.589837 Report

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>>589296
Not him but I don't really notice a difference.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Sep 2015 09:05:42 No.591355 Report

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>>580377
Looks nice, what did it cost?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Sep 2015 07:27:31 No.592824 Report

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>>591355
Out the door $100 and change

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Sep 2015 09:10:22 No.592851 Report

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>>585674

sandvik, or a 3-layer laminate of some sort.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Sep 2015 23:43:18 No.595083 Report

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>>580377
Very nice, that's the type of knife that you can pass down to your kid

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2015 00:36:50 No.595100 Report

Quoted By: >>595110

sorry to rain on your parade but this vid put me off a bit - really wanted a Helle until i saw this..
check out the xray he shows 6min in.
http://youtu.be/YHKInZL8-RQ
if u can get past his accent he knows plenty about what makes a good knife a good tool for specific jobs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2015 00:55:41 No.595110 Report

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>>595100

He only uses knives for processing deer.

Hence why he likes Bark River, when the company is known for being utter shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2015 01:00:20 No.595113 Report

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>>595110
still, the xray shows it up for a lack of quality - especially at the price.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2015 01:02:09 No.595114 Report

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>>595110
still the xray shows a lack of build quality - especially at the price they go for.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2015 01:03:07 No.595116 Report

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>>595110

Why is bark river shit? Just curious.

anon

anon Sat 19 Sep 2015 01:03:54 No.595117 Report

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>>595110
still the xray shows up some bad build quality - especially for the price they go for

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2015 01:06:32 No.595119 Report

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sorry dont know why that posted so many times - kinda new here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2015 01:16:32 No.595125 Report

Quoted By: >>595237 >>595321

>>595110
thats not entirely true either - ive seen a lot of his vids and he talks a lot about the benefits of different grinds/blades for different jobs - everything from chopping/splitting wood, deer processing, even fighting bears.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2015 04:55:18 No.595237 Report

Quoted By: >>595256

>>595110
>>595125
He primarily uses his knives for hunting which he bases the overwhelming bulk of his opinions on a knife.
He has that one test where he cuts into balsa wood. Really good for testing the quality of the handle but otherwise rather limited in use.

Convex grinds are nice for hunting/skinning.
Scandi grinds, not so much. For me, scandis seem to resist slicing/skinning tasks more than a saber/convex grind.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2015 05:33:53 No.595256 Report

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>>595237
skandi and sabre is pretty much the same thing

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2015 09:17:30 No.595321 Report

Quoted By: >>595336 >>595361

>>595125

Yes but he bases all his oppinions on his hunting knowledge.

For example he has no clue about military knives. And it shows.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2015 10:25:40 No.595336 Report

Quoted By: >>595360 >>595376

>>595321
still, i found his knowledge of knives useful for my needs. some of the reviews on youtube are fucking clown shoes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2015 11:50:54 No.595360 Report

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>>595336
i don't care about clown shows just turn it off i hate it more when the review is solid and interesting but they speak russian french or an other moon language.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2015 11:53:21 No.595361 Report

Quoted By: >>595376

>>595321
Works for me, why would I need a military knife?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2015 12:04:31 No.595368 Report

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>>595116
It isn't. Just overpriced.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2015 12:30:14 No.595376 Report

Quoted By: >>595389

>>595336
>>595361

Sure, virtouvice is masterrace and quite comfy to watch, and really knowledgeable

But he likes Bark River for his super specific use of knives and I'm just saying he's not a master of general knife knowledge, as he may seem to be, just hunting / utility knowledge.

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Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2015 12:31:59 No.595377 Report

Quoted By: >>595414

>>595116

Copy pasted from /k/

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/585934-Bark-River-has-taken-16-000-of-My-Money

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/594676-broke-my-bark-river-kephart

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/697991-I-am-done-with-Bark-River!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ss8NtqEkw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io38wpBLNfg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3RmYD3_DMk

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2015 12:59:37 No.595389 Report

Quoted By: >>595408

>>595376
>just hunting / utility knowledge
You mean 99% of work done with a knife outside?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2015 13:55:38 No.595408 Report

Quoted By: >>595409

>>595389

For hunters and hikers, yes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2015 14:01:11 No.595409 Report

Quoted By: >>595420

>>595408
As opposed to whom?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2015 14:13:31 No.595414 Report

Quoted By: >>595418 >>595421

>>595377
Mh.
People not knowing how to handle their knifes?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2015 14:36:18 No.595418 Report

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>>595414
Bark River shill detected.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2015 14:42:12 No.595420 Report

Quoted By: >>595423 >>595427

>>595409

Military guys, shelter builders, (true) "survivalists", etc...

I couldnt cite you any jewtubers, since most all of them are shit.

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Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2015 14:43:17 No.595421 Report

Quoted By: >>595431

>>595414

No, Bark River being a shit company and their products being either sub-par quality or overpriced.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2015 14:46:24 No.595423 Report

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>>595420
The tasks they do are still the same

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2015 14:48:43 No.595427 Report

Quoted By: >>595433

>>595420
Bark river is popular with military guys though, and shelter builders and "true" survivalist, you can find lots of videos and posts of morons beating their bark river knives through wood

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2015 14:53:44 No.595431 Report

Quoted By: >>595453 >>598127

>>595421
Oh, imagine that, an axe and a machete have completely different uses and are a poor substitute for each other, truly shocking

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2015 14:54:48 No.595433 Report

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>>595427

Never seen a soldier irl or in pics with a Bark River.

It is true that the company promotes their Bravo line as military designed but whatever.

And its also like soldiers dont usually carry whatever they want including hunting and skinning knives, but for example i myself would never recommend them over a cheaper knife or a better quality one that would cost around the same money.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2015 15:54:41 No.595453 Report

Quoted By: >>595471 >>595576

>>595431
not really. that's just poor steel / style.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2015 17:33:16 No.595471 Report

Quoted By: >>595490

>>595453
even the best steel can be fucked up by bad treatment.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2015 18:19:05 No.595490 Report

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>>595471
yesyes, and no doubt the cold didn't help either. It's still a bad design in the very least. (I bet the steel wasn't that good. being broken and all)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2015 21:10:41 No.595576 Report

Quoted By: >>595580

>>595453
What do you mean, not really

Are you saying they are the same and can easily be made to perform as well as the other in its specific task?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2015 21:23:20 No.595580 Report

Quoted By: >>595581 >>595597

>>595576
I am saying that a machete and hand axe can perform most of the same tasks. cutting foliage with axe is just.... Okay, you generally don't want axe for it. other than that. yes. You can do nearly anything you would do with an axe with a machete and visa versa.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2015 21:26:06 No.595581 Report

Quoted By: >>595584 >>595626

>>595580
Oh, you could have just told me you have no experience with either tool

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2015 21:26:52 No.595584 Report

Quoted By: >>595609

>>595581
right. name a task that either can perform and the other can't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2015 21:51:14 No.595597 Report

Quoted By: >>595607 >>595626

>>595580
>splitting logs with a machete
>processing wood with a machete
not sure what machetes are actually good for so i can't into reverse wtf here people use scythes and sickles for the sort of stuff south americans use matchetes but recently electric hedge-clippers really saturated the market.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2015 22:02:33 No.595607 Report

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>>595597
>splitting wood
you take a log, you whack you machete into it, you whack you machete with another wood, then you whack the wood you machete stuck in into ground. ok, it takes a bit more time than with a hand axe, but...
as for big logs... you can't really split stuff that has bigger girth than your machetes, and logs nearly as big as your matchete you need some cord and engineering. Not that logs that big are easily doable with a hand axe either.
>processing wood with machete
hardly ideal for the task, but will perform at or close to same levels as a hand axe.

machetes are good for clearing foliage. and movies. and gansta posing. generally for heavier foliage (bamboo, tree saplings, ect.) that scythe generally won't work at.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2015 22:07:46 No.595609 Report

Quoted By: >>595611

>>595584
Working as a machete and working as an axe would be the two big ones

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2015 22:11:06 No.595611 Report

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>>595609
a.. what now? like... as a movie props or? are there actually career opportunities for blades in your part of world?

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Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2015 22:37:58 No.595626 Report

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>>595581
>>595597

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Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2015 22:54:31 No.595638 Report

Quoted By: >>595660

>>595626
also the unholy abomination fusing both axe n machete.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2015 23:31:21 No.595660 Report

Quoted By: >>595684

>>595626

>>595638

Neither of which will fell trees or split wood for shit and could break if you use them like an axe

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2015 23:40:45 No.595666 Report

Quoted By: >>595690

>>587925
Stainless is not hard to sharpen. The only ppl who bitch about sharpening, are fags who are suck at it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Sep 2015 00:39:57 No.595684 Report

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>>595660
both can be used for felling trees and splitting wood.
and are about equal for HAND AXE.
So you fuckers, machete cant compete with chainsaw, combine harvester, or the machines people actually use to do stuff.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Sep 2015 00:46:07 No.595690 Report

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>>595666
Stainless steel is a combination of iron and shit.
there are literally millions know formulas for stainless steel. both your fork and depleted uranium kinetic round are stainless steel.
And You honestly don't want to sharpen anything uranium.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Sep 2015 02:47:25 No.595767 Report

Quoted By: >>598011

>>580377
Crap. Complete crap. Clunky blade. A pain to work with. Birch handle of poor quality. Mine broke just below the blade in the front. For Scandinavian blades you def go Swedish or Finnish.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Sep 2015 23:14:27 No.598011 Report

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>>595767
How did you break it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Sep 2015 03:28:07 No.598127 Report

Quoted By: >>599845

>>595431

Not that anon, but Bark River has been proven time and time again to be ran by crooks and to fuck their HT up to an incredible extent.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2015 04:18:41 No.599845 Report

Quoted By: >>600054

>>598127
please elaborate

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Sep 2015 10:53:53 No.600054 Report

Quoted By: >>602104 >>605810

>>599845

Read the mfgging thread muggfugger

Copy pasted from /k/

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/585934-Bark-River-has-taken-16-000-of-My-Money

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/594676-broke-my-bark-river-kephart

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/697991-I-am-done-with-Bark-River!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ss8NtqEkw [Embed]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io38wpBLNfg [Embed]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3RmYD3_DMk [Embed]

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Sep 2015 11:40:35 No.602104 Report

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>>600054
There are many more people who are completely satisfied though

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Oct 2015 03:05:32 No.603611 Report

Quoted By: >>603741

>>580377
What's that handle made of?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Oct 2015 09:56:10 No.603741 Report

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>>603611
Usually Birch

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2015 22:40:36 No.605810 Report

Quoted By:

>>600054
> Oh no, my paper thin knife gets chips when I baton with it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Oct 2015 02:38:59 No.607747 Report

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>>580377
How is that better than a mora

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Oct 2015 03:30:54 No.607791 Report

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>>595113
that's the proper angle for a strong blade and its a stick tang, it's supposed to be narrower

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