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What did the pioneers take with them when they went /out/?

Anonymous Sat 12 Dec 2015 20:07:26 No.645196 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>645209 >>645214 >>645228 >>645679

These people literally just went out into the great unknown and decided yep this is where we're going to live.
What kind of tools do you need to set up a home and live on it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Dec 2015 20:44:06 No.645209 Report

Quoted By: >>645374 >>646955 >>646975

>>645196
>great unknown

Between contact with the natives, military exploration and the previoulsy existing Spanish colonies it was actually pretty known by the time of mass Western migration.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 12 Dec 2015 21:02:36 No.645214 Report

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>>645196

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Anonymous Sat 12 Dec 2015 21:53:10 No.645228 Report

Quoted By: >>645347 >>645359 >>645573

>>645196
The Mormons published a list of supplies each family would need before they started their trek west. I would imagine it was similar to / based on the equipment used by pioneers on the Oregon Trail and such.

* 1 good strong wagon well covered with a light box.

>2 or 3 good yoke of oxen between the ages of 4 and 10 years.
>2 or more milch cows.
>1 or more good beefs.
>3 sheep if they can be obtained.
>1,000 lbs. of flour or other bread or breadstuffs in good sacks.
>1 good musket or rifle to each male over the age of 12 years.
>1 lb. powder
>4 lbs. lead
>100 lbs. sugar
>1 lb. cayenne pepper
>1 lb. black pepper
>1/2 lb. mustard
>10 lbs. rice
>1 lb cinnamon
>1/2 lb. cloves
>1 dozen nutmegs
>25 lbs. salt
>5 lbs. saleratus (bicarbonate for raising bread)
>10 lbs. dried apples
>1 bushel beans
>A few pounds dried beef or bacon
>5 lbs. dried peaches
>20 lbs. dried pumpkin
>25 lbs. seed grain
>20 lbs. soap
>15 lbs. of iron and steel
>A few pounds of wrought nails
>One or more sets of saw or grist mill irons to company of 100 families
>1 good seine and hook for each company
>2 sets of pulley blocks and ropes to each company for crossing rivers
>25 to 100 lbs. of farming and mechanical tools
>Cooking utensils to consist of bake kettle, frying pan
>Tin cups, plates, knives, forks, spoons and pans (as few as will do)
>A good tent and furniture to each two families
>Clothing and bedding to each family, not to exceed 500 lbs
>10 extra teams of each company of 100 families

>In addition to the above list, horse and mule teams can be used as well as oxen. Many items of comfort and convenience will suggest themselves to a wise and provident people and can be laid in the season; but none should start without filling the original bill.

tl;dr guns, food, cattle, clothes, and tools for farming / logging and repairing your other equipment

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Dec 2015 22:07:07 No.645235 Report

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From
http://www.oregontrailcenter.org/HistoricalTrails/Supplies.htm

>COOKING UTENSILS: Dutch oven, kettle, skillet, reflector oven, coffee grinder, teapot, butcher knife, ladle, tin tableware, water keg, matches.

>CLOTHING: wool sack coats, rubber coats, cotton dresses, wool pantaloons, buckskin pants, duck trousers, cotton shirts, flannel shirts, cotton socks, brogans, boots, felt hat, palm-leaf sun hat, green goggles, sunbonnet.

>FOOD: flour (600 lbs.), bacon ( 400 lbs.), coffee (60 lbs.), baking soda, corn meal, hardtack, dried beans, dried fruit, dried beef, molasses, vinegar, pepper, eggs, salt, sugar (100 lbs.), rice, tea (4 lbs.), lard (200 lbs.)

>BEDDING & TENT SUPPLIES: blankets, ground cloths, pillows, tent, poles, stakes, ropes.

>TOOLS & EQUIPMENT: set of augers, gimlet, ax, hammer, hoe, plow, shovel, spade, whetstone, oxbows, axles, kingbolts, ox shoes, spokes, wagon tongue, heavy ropes, chains.

>LUXURIES: canned goods, plant cuttings, school books, musical instruments, dolls and toys, family albums, jewelry, china, silverware, fine linens, iron stoves, furniture.

>WEAPONRY: rifle, pistol, knife, hatchet, gunpowder, lead, bullet mold, powder horn, bullet pouch, holster.

>HANDY ARTICLES: surgical instruments, liniments, bandages, campstool, chamber pot, washbowl, lanterns, candle molds, tallow, spyglasses, scissors, needles, pins, thread.

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Anonymous Sun 13 Dec 2015 02:55:04 No.645344 Report

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>>645214

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Dec 2015 03:01:34 No.645347 Report

Quoted By: >>645353 >>645359

>>645228
>1 dozen nutmegs
I'm picturing a family leaving with 11 nutmegs and the entire group dying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Dec 2015 03:22:50 No.645353 Report

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>>645347
Nah man, you only need two or three for spice.

The rest are for tripping your fucking mormon balls off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Dec 2015 03:43:19 No.645359 Report

Quoted By: >>645381 >>645573

>>645347
lol
>>645228
That 25-100lb range for tools seems silly as fuck.
What kind of tools? 50lbs of hammers? Sure why not, stupid Mormon fucks.
I can't believe it's actually a religion (cult really)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Dec 2015 04:29:37 No.645374 Report

Quoted By: >>645589

>>645209
Dont be a cunt.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Dec 2015 04:54:21 No.645381 Report

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>>645359
>What kind of tools?

I'm going to guess woodworking tools since they did have to build a house when they go where they were going.

I would guess I have easily over 25lbs of hand tools, I would need at least that many again to replace my power tools.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 13 Dec 2015 05:12:33 No.645382 Report

Quoted By: >>645594 >>646949

this is a list for miners coming into the Yukon to prospect around 1900. famously prospectors were required to bring a ton of goods if they wanted to be permitted entry.

this is for you Americans... more or less sums up my feelings on the United States of America. Supposedly the man never fired his weapon while patrolling the northwest territories. Interestingly even today when the RCMP took in Justin Bourque despite his killing 3 officers and wounding 2 he was taken alive. That would never happen in the U.S. I feel a major difference between the countries is an emphasis on responsibility in Canada where in the US they emphasize personal rights. It shows even in settlement times.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ub9tLW5Ino

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Dec 2015 14:55:35 No.645543 Report

Quoted By: >>646226

Guns, horses, whiskey and whores!

All any man needs!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Dec 2015 15:12:11 No.645550 Report

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cast iron stoves and grandfather clocks

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Dec 2015 15:56:05 No.645573 Report

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>>645228
Roughly 800kg of stuff on the wagon, mostly food. It seems a little excessive almost, but calculating the needs of a working family for about a year (till the first harvest) it's quite reasonable.

>>645359
This list is quite obviously not the entire information they would act on. The farmers would grow different crops (or just do ranching) in different ways depending on climate, soil, personal skill etc., some settlers would do crafts for others like smithing, woodworking etc. thus they would take the tools they need for their job. It's more of a guideline for how space and weight on the wagon you can spare.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Dec 2015 16:41:17 No.645589 Report

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>>645374
Boo hoo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Dec 2015 16:42:20 No.645590 Report

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>A large family or immigrant community

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Dec 2015 16:51:47 No.645594 Report

Quoted By: >>645598 >>645605 >>645678

>>645382
>2 pair German socks
Oddly specific.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Dec 2015 17:05:35 No.645598 Report

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>>645594
Well, Germans are oddly specific.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Dec 2015 17:20:24 No.645605 Report

Quoted By: >>645617

>>645594
>German Sock
The act which a man fills up a condom with diarrhea and the ties a knot at the end. Then he will use his dick to shove it up a woman's vagina

dem kinky pioneers

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Dec 2015 17:46:30 No.645617 Report

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>>645605
>some 12 year old took the time to create this and put it on urban dictionary

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Dec 2015 19:05:04 No.645678 Report

Quoted By: >>645869

>>645594
Probably referring to knee high socks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Dec 2015 19:08:58 No.645679 Report

Quoted By: >>645683 >>645766 >>646979

>>645196

Knives and axes.

Many carried just the axe heads and carved the handles on the spot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Dec 2015 19:22:13 No.645683 Report

Quoted By: >>645687

>>645679
Bullshit, they would have had to use them to cut shrubs and trees as well as building small bridges

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Dec 2015 19:31:06 No.645687 Report

Quoted By: >>645841 >>646137

>>645683
Bro this is coming from a time where people burned down wooden structures like houses so they could re use all the nails. If you have had to save space/weight on your pack animal you would probably only bring the head.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Dec 2015 21:23:00 No.645766 Report

Quoted By: >>645836

>>645679
[Citation needed]

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Dec 2015 22:58:40 No.645836 Report

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>>645766
do your own academic research. I know it happened for sure. If you want to argue over the frequency of it sure, that's open for debate. But it definitely happened.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Dec 2015 23:16:45 No.645841 Report

Quoted By: >>645845

>>645687
Citation please expert

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Dec 2015 23:24:26 No.645845 Report

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>>645841
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=burn+down+cabin+for+nails

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 14 Dec 2015 00:13:55 No.645869 Report

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>>645678
That would make sense for the klondike, I suppose. Thanks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 14 Dec 2015 12:35:36 No.646137 Report

Quoted By: >>646177

>>645687
Nail reusing isn't really related here, but you might have a point. I imagine a group of trappers or lumberjacks needing axes to build huts or make timber at their destination, but only needing one for the whole group to make fire on the way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 14 Dec 2015 15:06:43 No.646177 Report

Quoted By: >>646229

>>646137
You imagine a lumberjack discarding his axe because he doesn't need it for a week? Seriously are you borderline retarded?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 14 Dec 2015 17:03:15 No.646226 Report

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>>645543
And mercury for your dick hole for all those pesky stds.

I kind of want to live like this for a week to see what it was like.
It's amazing the hardships that people went through.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 14 Dec 2015 17:08:40 No.646229 Report

Quoted By: >>646835

>>646177
this is a slow ass board there is no fucking reason to be this bad at reading other people's post especially when its TWO SENTENCES LONG.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2015 01:54:37 No.646546 Report

Quoted By: >>646607

>All this arguing about axe handles
I just want to learn more about pioneerfags

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2015 03:08:48 No.646607 Report

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>>646546
Welcome to /out/.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2015 13:40:11 No.646835 Report

Quoted By: >>647052

>>646229
I read it again. Yes you are retarded for thinking people discard their most valuable tools.

>I SHOT MY ELK, I GUESS I DON'T NEED THIS RIFLE ANYMORE BETTER THROW IT IN A LAKE TO SAVE ON WEIGHT

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2015 18:51:48 No.646949 Report

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>>645382
what was the difference between laundry soap and toilet soap?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2015 18:58:55 No.646955 Report

Quoted By: >>646967

>>645209
This, beside that a good portion of pioneers died during travel so the thread is kind of moot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2015 19:53:17 No.646967 Report

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>>646955
[citation needed]

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2015 20:03:39 No.646975 Report

Quoted By: >>646990

>>645209
Pic related.

By the time the American colons wandered into the west, there were paths and maps of it. They could just stop at a trapper lodge and ask were are the water sources.

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Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2015 20:08:57 No.646979 Report

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>>645679
Almost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2015 20:30:25 No.646990 Report

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>>646975
Up to a point, of course. Western Canada was largely charted by the British later than that, and what became the Western United States, by the Louis and Clark expedition and others, in large part inspired by roughly contemporary British efforts.

But yeah, the major influx of immigration was built on infrastructure and exploration conducted well before it occurred.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2015 22:13:06 No.647052 Report

Quoted By: >>647060 >>647579

>>646835
That was not even me replying there, but dude, are you trolling or are you really this stupid. The poster I replied talked about taking only the head of an axe instead of the whole axe, then making the handle on the spot. Which does make sense if you don't the axe right now, but will need it later and don't want to carry the weight or bulk of the handle in the meantime. How you read discarding the entire axe into that argumentation is well beyond me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2015 22:21:02 No.647060 Report

Quoted By: >>647386

>>647052
*you don't need the axe right now

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Dec 2015 08:33:33 No.647386 Report

Quoted By: >>647399 >>647580

>>647060
the logic, if you follow, is that you will NOT need the axe handle til you have enough wood to chop with said axe, you can even use the head to whittle said handle on the new sight. Solid wood handle can weight around 2-3 lbs, but more to the point, it'll TAKE UP SPACE. Use that broom/spear/etc handle instead til you have a nice pile of wood to age/dry/treat/use.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Dec 2015 09:21:10 No.647399 Report

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>>647386
It makes more sense to have a spare axe head or two with no handles and then a primary axe with one that you don't have to fuck around with by making a handle when you could save time and energy by just using the fucking thing right away in the first place.
There is no logical reason to not have a handle at all times.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Dec 2015 17:49:59 No.647579 Report

Quoted By: >>647722

>>647052

>The poster I replied talked about taking only the head of an axe instead of the whole axe, then making the handle on the spot.

Well I'm glad you are admitting that you both are retarded because no one would do that in reality.

>I'm trying to save weight so I won't bring a gun, axe, axe handle, shoes, wagon, knife, skillet, clothes I will just make one as I need it. Heck I don't even bring bullets because lead is heavy I just smelt lead it if I need a bullet

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Dec 2015 17:52:41 No.647580 Report

Quoted By: >>647722

>>647386
Pioneers carried tons of goods you faggot in freight wagons. 2 pounds is nothing

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Dec 2015 21:31:50 No.647722 Report

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>>647580
A pioneer did. A trapper or logger going innawoods would not have a wagon.
>>647579
I'm glad you admitted that you misunderstood the point all along.
Also, axe handles are the only thing on your list that can indeed be made on the spot without further materials.
Also, I was never the guy who originally brought this up, was actually skeptical, then thought of situations where the idea made most sense.
Also, why am I wasting my time with you idiot...

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