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Canon 70D or T6s

Anonymous Thu 21 May 2015 08:03:31 No.2587576 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>2587589 >>2587593 >>2587596 >>2587691

So I have been enjoying my T3i for a wile now. But all this talk about the T6s drove me to look into it. And for me it's about the perfect camera for me and my use, something I can use for years. But as I looked into this I discovered the 70D and now I can't deside what one I want. Both have little things that away me but nether has that one thing that sells it.

Right now I have a T3i, 18-35is, sigma 10-20, and a 55-200is. Before that I had an Rebel XS. And I am in love with the 18-135 STM it will be replacing my 18-55is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 May 2015 09:22:54 No.2587589 Report

Quoted By: >>2587711

>>2587576
Get the 70D
The price difference is minuscule and the 70D has weather sealing.
Have fun!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 May 2015 09:39:56 No.2587593 Report

Quoted By: >>2587711

>>2587576
The 70D is not a Rebal. That is more than enough reason.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 May 2015 09:49:02 No.2587596 Report

Quoted By: >>2587604 >>2587628

>>2587576
panasonic G7

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 May 2015 10:07:37 No.2587604 Report

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>>2587596
HAHA
Good one mate

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 May 2015 11:04:34 No.2587628 Report

Quoted By: >>2587636

>>2587596
I will only use canon crops. Because I all ready invested in lenses.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 May 2015 11:15:47 No.2587636 Report

Quoted By: >>2587659 >>2587711

>>2587628
it's not an "investment" if you can't sell them is it
>Post-purchase rationalization

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Anonymous Thu 21 May 2015 11:53:46 No.2587659 Report

Quoted By: >>2587679 >>2587691

>>2587636
No I am just really lazy. The only reason I am even bothering to sell my T3i is because I already have a buyer.
But yah I guess I could sell my stuff. Is there a lense like the Sigma 10-20mm on other cameras? It is my fave lense ever!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 May 2015 12:10:17 No.2587669 Report

Quoted By: >>2587672

7D

/thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 May 2015 12:15:51 No.2587672 Report

Quoted By: >>2587679 >>2587711

>>2587669
You are going to hate me. But I need the rotating back screen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 May 2015 12:36:43 No.2587679 Report

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>>2587672
You are right, I hate you

>>2587659
Yes, the Sigma 10-20mm. You can send it in and get the backplate replaced for Nikon, Pentax etc...

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 May 2015 12:50:50 No.2587684 Report

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760D/T6S has a newer sensor BUT the 70D is a better camera overall. Viewfinder is better and ergonomics.

70D for me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 May 2015 12:59:20 No.2587691 Report

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>>2587576
>Year 666+1349
>Still using canon

Just buy the cheapest one so you will waste less money.

>>2587659
>Is there a lense like the Sigma 10-20mm on other cameras?

The sort of well informed photographer that still buys canon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 May 2015 13:06:37 No.2587694 Report

Quoted By: >>2587711

Seeing a lot of votes for 70D. I am heading into a store today to give them a look I am still 2 weeks out from buying it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 May 2015 13:31:45 No.2587711 Report

Quoted By: >>2587727

>>2587589
>the 70D has weather sealing.
Why do people imagine that this is some major selling point? Rebels are plenty sealed for daily use, including standing out in rain and snow.

>>2587593
In terms of image quality, yes it is.

>>2587636
Semantics faggot. You know exactly what he means.

>>2587672
There's nothing wrong with that. Especially if you do any video work.

>>2587694
The question is basically this: Is it worth the extra money to have slightly better controls and viewfinder? The image quality will be very similar, if not identical. So it's down to your personal value of ergonomics.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 May 2015 14:18:47 No.2587727 Report

Quoted By: >>2587733 >>2588210

>>2587711
The pentaprism worth it over the pentamirror in terms of brightness and dust. Dust can't accumulate in a prism and mirrors tend to be less bright. Also it is a major pain to clean the pentamirror assembly and more likely to cost money from time to time.
The real question is: Is it worth it to spend just a little bit more money on a tougher built camera than on a plastic fantastic Rebel? The answer is obvious, especially if the price difference is $50

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 May 2015 14:22:39 No.2587733 Report

Quoted By: >>2587739

>>2587727
A few tiny bits of dust in your mirror assemly don't affect the operation of the camera in the least. If it's a $50 difference, I would make the same decision as you, but OP may have different priorities, so it's best to give the facts, rather than the opinions. The image quality is the same between the two, so it's a matter of his value system in regards to ergonomics and touch-appeal. not yours or mine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 May 2015 14:33:00 No.2587739 Report

Quoted By: >>2587748

>>2587733
One speck of dust annoys the hell out of me. If it got there, some might have gotten on the sensor too.
That said getting a cheaper plastic body might be better for someone who is unsure of the whole thing. They also lose value more quickly.
I went through the same dilemmas not long ago and in the end I went with the tough built weather sealed camera so later when I upgrade I'll be able to sell it on higher price. Right now I don't think I will sell the camera, ever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 May 2015 14:45:24 No.2587748 Report

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>>2587739
>One speck of dust annoys the hell out of me.
>out of me
>me
Exactly. You. Not everyone.
> If it got there, some might have gotten on the sensor too.
So clean it...? If you change lenses, dust will get to the sensor just as easily on a Rebel as it will on a 1DX. And unless you're shooting above around f/8, at a blank blue sky or a white wall, you won't notice a bit of dust on your sensor. (hence you needing the visual reminder in your viewfinder to worry about it, rather than seeing it ruin your results) You don't need to baby your equipment.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 May 2015 19:05:26 No.2587918 Report

Quoted By: >>2587956

So I just bought the 70D. As its on sale I got a free battery and some useless stuff free. (Two bags?)
Using both in the store really sold me on the 70D the size was a worry but it feels nicer in the hand then my Rebels ever did.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 May 2015 19:42:53 No.2587956 Report

Quoted By: >>2587959

>>2587918
Good. Pop in an SD card and start shooting

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 May 2015 19:45:22 No.2587959 Report

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>>2587956
Mmmmm indeed it's going on a walk after work to give that 18-135mm a test and more images with that lovely sigma 10-20mm.

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Anonymous Thu 21 May 2015 19:56:12 No.2587961 Report

Quoted By: >>2587962 >>2587970

OM-D E-M5 Mark II.

Only $100 more than the 70D, and OH so much more camera. 5 stop in body IS, huge array of native primes that are razor sharp even in the corners wide open.

18-135mm STM? I had one. Not good. Not good at all. You need to be at f/8-f/11 at all times to get a decently sharp image. And the zoom droop, wow. You can't point the lens down or up at all without the zoom sagging. Forget that lens. For your own good.

Even the first gen E-M5 is a better body than the 70D, and it is well past two years old. And if you want a larger grip, or even more features, look at the E-M1.

Any of the OM-D bodies I mentioned has equal ISO performance to the 70D, but the files can actually be pushed without banding appearing. They also all have more dynamic range than the 70D. Not to mention that the M4/3 lens selection blow EF-S out of the water. How many primes does EF-S have? Not many. How many f/1.4 or faster primes does EF-S have? No first party ones.

Want to go even farther? Get an OM-D and put the Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 zoom on it with a speedbooster. Instant f/1.2 zoom lens.

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Anonymous Thu 21 May 2015 20:00:52 No.2587962 Report

Quoted By: >>2587969

>>2587961
Do you get the impression that people give a shit when you make these posts? or do you get paid either way?

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Anonymous Thu 21 May 2015 20:12:01 No.2587969 Report

Quoted By: >>2587970 >>2588006

>>2587962
Just trying to save someone from the mistake of purchasing a Canon EF-S body.

Alas, its too late. He has already fallen victim.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 May 2015 20:16:43 No.2587970 Report

Quoted By: >>2587995

>>2587961
>>2587969
I almost missed you micropenis guy, ar you going to argue about your microlens are the same as full frame lens?

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Anonymous Thu 21 May 2015 20:52:35 No.2587995 Report

Quoted By: >>2587998

>>2587970
They are not the same. They are superior.

This image was taken with a 1.4x TC, I think. 100%.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 May 2015 20:59:58 No.2587998 Report

Quoted By: >>2588004

>>2587995
Post an example you yourself shot, poser

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Anonymous Thu 21 May 2015 21:04:41 No.2588004 Report

Quoted By: >>2588005

>>2587998
Sure.

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Anonymous Thu 21 May 2015 21:06:27 No.2588005 Report

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>>2588004
And the 100% crop.

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Anonymous Thu 21 May 2015 21:06:44 No.2588006 Report

Quoted By: >>2588015

>>2587969
You are just lying m8 a 1.8 on a mft is a 3.6 equivalent, with the speed booster you would get a 2.8 equivalent.

>b-b-but its the same ev
Only if you ignore that you are also applying the crop factor squared to the iso i.e iso 100 on mft is the iso 400 of a FF .

Not saying that there aren't advantages to MFT, but image quality is not it . Specially at that price range where you are paying more for less..

I would recomend the a6000 for the price but "huur duuur no lenses" even though all lenses op wants are available for sony as wall plus the ability to adapt.

Otherwise he should just buy a Nikon D7200, same price as those but better everything.

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Anonymous Thu 21 May 2015 21:19:36 No.2588015 Report

Quoted By: >>2588016

>>2588006
>Proving my point by posting proof that the smaller M4/3 sensor beats the larger 70D sensor.

Oh, and by the way, what does an f/1.8 on Fool Frame become 'equivalent' to on 8x10?

In addition, your math is wrong. The f/1.8 lens would be speedboosted to f/1.2, but would have the same DoF as if it were being used on an APS-C camera. So in effect, it becomes an 18-35 f/1.8 on APS-C in terms of DoF, but with the field of view an exposure value of a 12.5-25mm f/1.2 with IS.

Or, in Fool Frame equivalence, a 24-50mm f/2.5 with IS. Thats better than any Fool Frame zoom lens, even after accounting for 'equivalency'. Any who needs DoF shallower than f/2.5 when shooting Fool Frame? Not many people. Not many at all. Even on my E-M1, I find myself at f/4-f8 more often than not. f/4 is my most used aperture, unless I am shooting portraits. In those cases, I switch to my 45mm f/1.8 and shoot at f/1.8-f/2.8 most of the time. Even if I had the Nocticron 42.5 f/1.2, I don't think I'd hit f/1.2 often.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 May 2015 21:23:56 No.2588016 Report

Quoted By: >>2588026

>>2588015
>thinks camera is in any way an important choice these days

Thank god OP didn't become an ignorant mtfwanker like you. How does it feel to see someone begin a life of not being a gearfag and actually living a creative life...well, you probably think it's terrible because your poor, atrophied sense of creativity has been replaced with pointless graphs and charts.

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Anonymous Thu 21 May 2015 21:41:31 No.2588026 Report

Quoted By: >>2588041 >>2588080

>>2588016
But camera -does- matter in the digital era. In the film age, the sensor was your film choice, and the body was an ergonomic choice.

In the digital age, sensors are constantly advancing, and feature sets across different brands can vary wildly. For example, Olympus puts advanced IS in the bodies, where as Canon and Nikon only put basic IS in select lenses. On Nikon, Sony, Olympus, and Panasonic cameras (other brands too, by no means an exhaustive list), you can push the exposure quite a bit. On Canon cameras, you can't, or you end up with terrible banding and noise.

So yes, body choice is more important than ever, as the device that captures the image is no longer a simple door flap away, but instead, an entire $1000+ purchase away. And if you are going to invest that kind of money, you may as well get a body with good features, instead of something that hails back to the end of the film era but has a dated digital sensor thrown in instead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 May 2015 21:59:30 No.2588041 Report

Quoted By: >>2588045

>>2588026
What are you talking about? Lens IS is better than sensor IS usually, it's just that sensor IS is more convenient.

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Anonymous Thu 21 May 2015 22:03:39 No.2588045 Report

Quoted By: >>2588064

>>2588041
But thats wrong, and it has been since the E-M5 was released.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 May 2015 22:28:44 No.2588064 Report

Quoted By: >>2588163

>>2588045
well yeah on the E-M5 it's inconvenient too

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 May 2015 22:57:32 No.2588080 Report

Quoted By: >>2588165 >>2588170

>>2588026
If the speed limit is 65 mph, then you need a car that can go 65 mph. Having a car that can go 200mph doesn't help you in the slightest, or more accurately, a beginner having a car that can go 200 mph doesn't help them figure out how to drive around in a parking lot.

This is further exacerbated by the fact that with modern cameras, you're talking about the difference between a car that can go 175 mph and one that can go 200mph. Yes, there are better performers, but the difference in performance is not significant to most in most situations. Your average beginner isn't going to push the bleeding edge of any camera.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 May 2015 01:50:50 No.2588163 Report

Quoted By: >>2588171

>>2588064
IS on the E-M5 inconvenient? In what way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 May 2015 01:54:20 No.2588165 Report

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>>2588080
The difference is that having a camera that can 'go 200mph' isn't detrimental to your physical health, where as being a noob in a car that can go 200 might be. With a high end camera, you can push the envelope, even as a beginner.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 May 2015 02:04:01 No.2588170 Report

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>>2588080
Even if the speed limit is 65, having a car that can accelerate very quickly to merge into busy traffic helps a great deal. Your comparison is really stupid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 May 2015 02:15:25 No.2588171 Report

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>>2588163
You have to buy an E-M5 to use it.
Really poor design.

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Anonymous Fri 22 May 2015 02:19:23 No.2588173 Report

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Wait for it....

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 May 2015 03:21:23 No.2588210 Report

Quoted By: >>2588385

>>2587727
evf master race

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 May 2015 05:11:31 No.2588267 Report

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Why are EMM FAWW TURDS so insecure about their tiny sensors and shitty ISO performance?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 May 2015 10:27:18 No.2588385 Report

Quoted By: >>2588391

>>2588210
EVF:
+view through sensor
+focus peaking in viewfinder
+IBIS in viewfinder
- pixels
- shit resolution
- eats up battery since it has to work the EVF display and the sensor
- unusable in low light, lags like a bitch

DSLR/FSLR OVF:
+ see through lens with the actual light
+ ability to change focusing screen
+ allows the use of separate AF and metering sensors
+ usable focus confirmation and metering on MF lens (except Nikon)
+ quicker and more convenient to use with AF
+ bright and usable in low light, no lag, no pixels
+ doesn't need power
- no focus peaking in viewfinder
- no IBIS visible

Optical viewfinder wins again! It's like it was invented by jews.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 May 2015 10:42:09 No.2588391 Report

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>>2588385
EVF:
You see what you will get

OVF:
You see a cropped version of what your eyes could see if you were not looking inside the VF.

I prefer option 1. But I don't shoot sport where I think OVF is needed (but not for long).

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