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Pentax FF

Anonymous Sat 29 Aug 2015 23:18:06 No.2658199 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>2658211 >>2658235 >>2658249 >>2658313 >>2661595

What do you think of the 'rumors' that the Pentax FF will use the A7rii sensor?. And do any native Pentax lenses resolve that high in the first place?

If Pentax chooses not to use the A7rii sensor, how will Pentax pull it off when they will be beaten in resolution, shake reduction, lens adapting, high iso by literally everyone right now (not counting 645z).

Since every non Canon company is implementing weather sealing and IBIS now, is there a niche left for Pentax FF to cater for?

Will you buy one /p/?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Aug 2015 23:33:17 No.2658211 Report

Quoted By: >>2658313

>>2658199
> What do you think of the 'rumors' that the Pentax FF will use the A7rii sensor?.
At most the sensor (but not the stabilizer) - but even that seems like wishful thinking.

> And do any native Pentax lenses resolve that high in the first place?
I'm not on Pentax, but at least the Sigma Art lenses come to mind?

> If Pentax chooses not to use the A7rii sensor
More like, Sony might choose to not sell the sensor, or not for a price that is reasonable for Pentax.

They can always make the same as smaller smartphone sensor instead, they also get tons of money from doing that.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 30 Aug 2015 00:06:30 No.2658226 Report

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That's the only acceptable design for their FF DSLR.

They have IBIS technology too, and I doubt they'll use the A7rII but the A7r would do the Job just as good, if they do a similar job as Nikon with D810.
The only issue with their IBIS implementation is that you won't have the viewfinder stabilized, only in Live View.

And they are known for underpricing for the specs, so I can see them being pretty competitive against a 6D and D750.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Aug 2015 00:23:51 No.2658235 Report

Quoted By: >>2658313

>>2658199
The way I see it, Pentax will have to go the route of 'delux' dSLR to maintain my interest. Think: Leica-like. I would enjoy seeing it in a matte or shiny silver finish, preferably with brown grippy parts. As of current, they're the only company that will sell you modern lenses with AF and AE that have the feel and build of old manual metal lenses. I would like to see that remain the case. With how good Pentax already is at designing cameras ergonomically and functionally compared to Canikon, I would accept a reduction in detail and lens variation for the extra ease of use and reassuring feeling of the limited lenses on a full frame delux body.

The K3 and 15, 21, 35, 70 is great, but the silver version of the body is hard to get, and the DA limited lenses aren't as fit and finish as the FA limiteds are.

Anon !!uPiHYFPeJke

Anon !!uPiHYFPeJke Sun 30 Aug 2015 00:41:41 No.2658249 Report

Quoted By: >>2658330 >>2661461

>>2658199
The FF Pentax, which is going to have the 42mp BSI sensor from the A7rII, will easily have more than 15 stops of dynamic range. Their Safox processor/engine is damn good at retaining a lot of data in both the shadows and also the highlights. Plus, there'll be 14 Bit DNG RAW, which is just great.

That camera will be nothing less than an enormous beast.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Aug 2015 03:31:28 No.2658313 Report

Quoted By: >>2658327 >>2658329 >>2658334

>>2658199
>And do any native Pentax lenses resolve that high in the first place?
FA Limiteds come to mind - 31/1.8, 43/1.9, and 77/1.8. The 31 especially is a great piece of work that's good wide open and already razor sharp by f/2.8 - f/4 or so. Pixie dust, yo. Of their current stuff, I'd guess that the DFA macros (50/2.8 and 100/2.8) could keep up with that sensor, and the DA* primes (55/1.4, 200/2.8, and 300/4) probably have a good shot at doing so also.

>>2658211
>>I'm not on Pentax, but at least the Sigma Art lenses come to mind?
Sigma isn't making all of those in Pentax K these days. The 35/1.4 is available, but the 50/1.4 and 24/1.4 aren't. I don't remember the announcement for the 24-35/2 saying that it'd be available in K-mount, but it's listed on their website. Maybe they're just delaying it, they've done that with other lenses, where F, EF, and Sigma's own mount are available from the get-go, and others trickle out later on. Hopefully we'll get more availability from them with a FF camera.

>>2658235
Like a Nikon Df done properly? I'd buy it. For that matter I'd just be happy if they had a split-prism focusing screen as an option, even if at extra cost. Seems Pentax has a much bigger old-glass community than Canon or Nikon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Aug 2015 03:50:53 No.2658327 Report

Quoted By: >>2658344

>>2658313
every Pentax DSLR so far has had a 45° double split and Micro ring as an optional screen, so the odds are in that favor.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Aug 2015 03:53:20 No.2658329 Report

Quoted By: >>2658344

>>2658313
the 43 1.9 is actually a soft lens. it's relatively sharp in the middle, but due to a lack of corrections, full of abberations and smearing at the edges. not to say that it doesn't make good looking pictures, but you can't get a technical result from it even at f11

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Aug 2015 03:54:11 No.2658330 Report

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>>2658249
>yfw they name it the K2 in honor of the first ever k-mount camera

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Aug 2015 04:05:10 No.2658334 Report

Quoted By: >>2658337

>>2658313
If they really could get the A7rII sensor, make it AF seamlessly with their lenses and with the style/size of the LX, they really can get ahead of Canikon.
And probably all legacy lens pricing will just explode.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Aug 2015 04:08:43 No.2658337 Report

Quoted By: >>2658344 >>2658347

>>2658334
it won't be the size of an lx. it's bigger than a k3 by a lot. it's most likely not going to be much smaller than a d600

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Aug 2015 04:16:00 No.2658344 Report

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>>2658329
huh. I knew it was pretty soft wide open, but I thought it cleaned up stopped down.

>>2658327
actually from Pentax? I didn't think they offered those anymore. I know that one operation out of Taiwan makes focusing screens for all sorts of cameras. And there used to be Katz-eye, but they're gone now.

>>2658337
it'd be technically possible to make a FF DSLR the size of an LX, I reckon. But you'd have to give up a lot, notably the rear screen adds a lot of thickness. I think Leica made a digital camera with no rear LCD though, so who knows, it could happen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Aug 2015 04:22:25 No.2658347 Report

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>>2658337
If they go for a modern style I would prefer to see a digital MZ-S but only if it is a SLR, for a mirrorless (like the K-01) I think is not that hard to get to the size of a LX, without the mirror/PDAF mechanism there's some room for other components.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 30 Aug 2015 11:56:08 No.2658526 Report

Quoted By: >>2658533 >>2658534 >>2661373

It will be the most awesome thing since the wheel. Gotta start saving my shekels. What you think it will cost? Ill have to use my K3 lenses but I'm sure they'll be fine for my work.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 30 Aug 2015 12:15:02 No.2658533 Report

Quoted By: >>2661345

>>2658526
>Pentax K-01
>Huge waves in the videographers pool
Talk about optimism...

pic related, all the pentexist salt.
Even sony has now a complete lineup of various FF camera.

Anonymous !!uPiHYFPeJke

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Anonymous !!uPiHYFPeJke Sun 30 Aug 2015 12:17:47 No.2658534 Report

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>>2658526
Will it also be better than sliced bread?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 30 Aug 2015 13:07:02 No.2658551 Report

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I hope they keep that big 6X7-style pentaprism hump on the new full-frame(s). Looks macho.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2015 13:27:29 No.2661345 Report

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>>2658533
Yeah pretty sure everyone mainly bought the K-01 because it was $300. I know I did.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2015 14:22:02 No.2661373 Report

Quoted By: >>2661640

>>2658526
Is that a real commercial? I would be fucking pissed if I was a Pentax guy.

Sugar !egyYvoBZV2

Sugar !egyYvoBZV2 Thu 03 Sep 2015 17:34:46 No.2661461 Report

Quoted By: >>2661470 >>2661544

>>2658249

>a7ii sensor
>dSLR with optical finder
>access to all the glorious K mount glass
>split image finder

Please make it happen I'll ditch all my Canon and F mount stuff for it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2015 17:51:33 No.2661470 Report

Quoted By: >>2661473

>>2661461
For a DSLR the 36mp from A7r makes more sense like on D810.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2015 17:58:20 No.2661473 Report

Quoted By: >>2661482

>>2661470
why do you say that? Pentax has always had absolutely exceptional mirror damping and automatic mlock

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2015 18:14:12 No.2661482 Report

Quoted By: >>2661526

>>2661473
A7II is only 24mp.
You meant the A7rII sensor?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2015 19:30:03 No.2661526 Report

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>>2661482
oh yeah, i misread sugar's post. yes then I agree Pentax is better suited to higher mp sensors

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2015 20:00:54 No.2661544 Report

Quoted By: >>2661575

>>2661461
Literally a D750 sensor in a D810 body with a focusing screen swap, and for F mount glass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2015 20:25:47 No.2661575 Report

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>>2661544
except it will be an a7rii sensor in a fat k3 body (roughly d610 sized)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2015 20:50:51 No.2661595 Report

Quoted By:

>>2658199
i only like small cameras.
i'll wait until they make pentax q with a bigger sensor.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2015 21:32:26 No.2661640 Report

Quoted By: >>2661654

>>2661373
Noooo, at least i hope not. Pentax have some awsome adds as well as some shockers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rj5-49IW_U

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2015 21:38:10 No.2661649 Report

Quoted By: >>2661837 >>2661838

Highly unlikely but, nothing stops them to make two flavors of the new FF bodies.

>Mirrorless FF with the size of a LX,EVF , fast hybrid focus like the A7rII

>DSLR FF in the MZ-S form factor, OVF, dual card

Both sharing the same A7rII sensor, weather sealed, same mount, the difference would be a deeper buffer for the MZ-D and the LX being a bit cheaper.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2015 21:45:32 No.2661654 Report

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>>2661640
Those old camera ads had some spirit. Here's some more Pentax ads https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r36HOCnF_s

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Sep 2015 03:36:56 No.2661837 Report

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>>2661649
lol please don't encourage Pentax to make ANOTHER mirrorless K mount body

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Sep 2015 03:39:14 No.2661838 Report

Quoted By: >>2661839

>>2661649
>Implying Pentax will ever get the A7rII sensor

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Sep 2015 03:39:58 No.2661839 Report

Quoted By: >>2661885

>>2661838
they got every other sensor from Sony. why not?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Sep 2015 06:22:36 No.2661885 Report

Quoted By: >>2661902 >>2662306

>>2661839
Because it's brand new, back ordered, and likely not going to be sold to Pentax before it's sold to Nikon and before Pentax's FF hits the market because Sony wants to keep their top sensors in their own cameras. That's why there hasn't been another camera besides the A7s that has Sony's see in the dark sensor. It's simple really. Unless Pentax delays their FF by another year or two, they won't be getting the A7rII sensor.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Sep 2015 07:51:11 No.2661902 Report

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>>2661885
It is backordered because Sony is manufacturing them for other brands/customers too.
The A7s is a niche camera where the A7RII is a generic use camera.
It makes sense, doesn't it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Sep 2015 23:17:13 No.2662306 Report

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>>2661885
Sony sells sensors after 6 months of exclusivity. The time it takes the buyer to tweak it may differ.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 05 Sep 2015 00:04:42 No.2662324 Report

Quoted By: >>2663990

October 6th.
FF day

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Sep 2015 01:28:48 No.2662359 Report

Quoted By: >>2666926

the retards saying it will cost more than an a7rii FOR SURE

projected price: 2000$
good job guys

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Sep 2015 16:19:56 No.2663990 Report

Quoted By: >>2666104

>>2662324
One month left until Canikony tears start flowing

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Sep 2015 14:15:01 No.2666104 Report

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>>2663990
I just preordered a case of popcorn for the buttdevastation that is in order. I would love to see Pentax rise from the ashes and dominate the market again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Sep 2015 14:17:31 No.2666108 Report

Quoted By: >>2666113 >>2666140

which pentax lenses cover the full image circle? Do they all do or are the more modern ones aps-c sized?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Sep 2015 14:27:13 No.2666113 Report

Quoted By: >>2666129 >>2666270

>>2666108
The DA ones don't but some do so i think come the arrival of the new Full Frame we will see the community compile a list. Generally speaking anything pre-digita with a k mount will like the A's M's and the FA's. Think they're calling the new full frame lenses D FA.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Sep 2015 14:43:21 No.2666129 Report

Quoted By: >>2666335

>>2666113
dang, hopefully most do, there aren't that many fa lenses compared to da. Would it be more likely that pentax would do a lens rollout before it's full frame sensor camera is released? Most of the people using pentaxes seem to be loyalist who like using their older lenses.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Sep 2015 15:02:34 No.2666140 Report

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>>2666108
Some of the limited range primes do since they are still used by AF film Pentax users.
Here is an ongoing thread
http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/54-pentax-lens-articles/31629-da-lenses-full-frame-test-shots-thread.html

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Sep 2015 16:18:25 No.2666244 Report

Quoted By: >>2666256 >>2666296

I don't see why Pentax shouldn't just dedicate themselves to APS-C, like Fuji is doing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Sep 2015 16:40:04 No.2666256 Report

Quoted By:

>>2666244
Because people keep citing "No Full Frame" as a reason for not wanting to buy into Pentax.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Sep 2015 17:11:51 No.2666270 Report

Quoted By: >>2666384

>>2666113
>muh full frame
>forced to use film era lenses unoptimized for digital cameras
kekeroni

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Sep 2015 18:13:00 No.2666296 Report

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>>2666244
Because who wouldn't love a true Ricoh GR? Not the crippled one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Sep 2015 18:58:18 No.2666335 Report

Quoted By: >>2666392

>>2666129
The 150-450 is already out there. The 70-200/2.8 was supposed to be but they delayed it for some unspecified reason. There's supposed to be a 24-70/2.8 and a wide-angle zoom soon, along with some kind of consumer-level zoom (probably something like 24-105)

supposedly we're gonna be seeing primes in 2016. though I don't think that's official yet.

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Anonymous Thu 10 Sep 2015 20:24:44 No.2666384 Report

Quoted By: >>2666397 >>2666469

>>2666270
My paleolitic 77 f/1.8 works pretty well on my K5, thanks.

100% crop.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Sep 2015 20:57:40 No.2666392 Report

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>>2666335
that 150-450 range seems more useful for full frame, looks nice. Hopefully some inexpensive primes come out. I really like what pentax are doing with their bodies, they're lenses are really awesome too, but buying an fa lens is a bit pricier than I'm used to spending for an equivalent lens with other cameras.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Sep 2015 21:05:37 No.2666397 Report

Quoted By: >>2666402 >>2666442

>>2666384
Sorry mate as much as i want it to look nice and work well i wouldn't be happy with that colour fringing from this photo.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 10 Sep 2015 21:10:26 No.2666402 Report

Quoted By: >>2666406

>>2666397
Dumbass, that's spherochromatism from the lamppost being way in front of the plane of focus and silhouetted against a bright sky.
Here it is on a lense "optimised for digital", you retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Sep 2015 21:14:09 No.2666406 Report

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>>2666402
if you say so
got any other photo examples of your 77mm? Preferably with something in the frame, not just washed out sky.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Sep 2015 22:19:20 No.2666442 Report

Quoted By: >>2666444

>>2666397
You are seriously bitching about an almost invisible issue in a 100% crop?

Kill yourself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Sep 2015 22:22:00 No.2666444 Report

Quoted By: >>2666465

>>2666442
It's just a shit photo by a shit photographer and a shit human. Don't tell people to kill themselves you cunt.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Sep 2015 23:14:34 No.2666465 Report

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>>2666444
>Shit photo
You can tell that from a 100% crop? Wow. Someday I'll be as talented a critiquer as you are... SOME day.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Sep 2015 23:17:23 No.2666469 Report

Quoted By: >>2666492

>>2666384
Post the full shot

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 11 Sep 2015 00:49:03 No.2666492 Report

Quoted By: >>2666921

>>2666469
dude it's cropped from pentacks, how much more do you think there is?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Sep 2015 18:53:18 No.2666921 Report

Quoted By:

>>2666492
Either your above post is not a 100% crop or you are shit at using camera/photo software. Probably both.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Sep 2015 19:03:20 No.2666926 Report

Quoted By:

>>2662359
>the retards saying it will cost more than an a7rii FOR SURE
But this is contingent on the retarded wishful thinking that Pentax will have access to the 42 MP sensor, when even Nikon isn't able to.

A more sane and reasonable person would suggest the 36 MP sensor, or the 24 MP sensor.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 11 Sep 2015 19:18:34 No.2666935 Report

Quoted By: >>2666942

The Pentax Full Frame Countdown Clock

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20151006T00&p0=248&msg=Pentax+Full+Frame&font=sanserif&csz=1

I will believe it when it's available for pre-order on B&H or Adorama. Otherwise, it's Richo just messing with people. Again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Sep 2015 19:33:38 No.2666942 Report

Quoted By: >>2666972

>>2666935
It was Hoya with the previous FF hoax.
Also Hoya is responsible for gutting Pentax out. Ricoh is the best thing that could've happened to Pentax, it is a miracle in itself the brand is still alive and beating strong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Sep 2015 20:26:08 No.2666972 Report

Quoted By: >>2666975 >>2666976 >>2666978

>>2666942
>previous FF hoax.
Yes, Hoya, but haven't there been Pentax FF rumors swirling around for at least 5 years now, maybe longer?

And why do you think Ricoh is the best thing that could've happened to Pentax? Are they investing any heavy R&D money, or working to upsell the brand? Because, honestly, I ain't seen anything like that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Sep 2015 20:29:09 No.2666975 Report

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>>2666972
They've had a few hits like the K3 and the GR using both names and it seems like they are on a winning streak.

isi !QyKYlWUTgk

isi !QyKYlWUTgk Fri 11 Sep 2015 20:30:59 No.2666976 Report

Quoted By: >>2666980 >>2667016

>>2666972
>Yes, Hoya, but haven't there been Pentax FF rumors swirling around for at least 5 years now, maybe longer?
Rumors. As in, things fanboys make up to keep themselves busy.

Ricoh-Pentax is actually making a FF camera. Hoya-Pentax actually prototyped one, but then abandoned it.

Rumor =/= product announcement or prototype development (and leaking)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Sep 2015 20:35:11 No.2666978 Report

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>>2666972
Ricoh is a well respected company in the imaging business, they also did a project where they gathered all photos after the tsunami in Japan and restored them and cataloged them. That kind of dedication is what drives a company forward.
Anyone else buying Pentax would've milked them for the last few years shelling out worse gear, but instead Ricoh kept the brand and had the R&D do what they do best and them came out with the K-3 and 645Z. Now the K-3II with pixel shift is a remarkable step showing R&D is working right, and the coming FF body with the all new D-FA range lenses.
Things are going up with Ricoh at the helm.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Sep 2015 20:36:30 No.2666980 Report

Quoted By: >>2666997

>>2666976
people with gender related mental illnesses are not welcome here

isi !QyKYlWUTgk

isi !QyKYlWUTgk Fri 11 Sep 2015 21:01:40 No.2666997 Report

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>>2666980
Then why are you posting?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Sep 2015 21:36:51 No.2667016 Report

Quoted By: >>2667017 >>2667020

>>2666976
>Rumors. As in, things fanboys make up to keep themselves busy.
Bullshit.

http://www.thephoblographer.com/2012/12/20/pentax-ricoh-boss-says-that-a-full-frame-pentax-camera-is-in-the-works/#.VfNJRxFVhHw

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Sep 2015 21:38:11 No.2667017 Report

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>>2667016
They've been saying exactly that since about 2004

isi !QyKYlWUTgk

isi !QyKYlWUTgk Fri 11 Sep 2015 21:46:54 No.2667020 Report

Quoted By: >>2667025

>>2667016
...so you're surprised a camera that's finishing its development cycle now was in planning 3 years ago?
Are you a butter knife irl?

The reason for the "constant rumors" of Pentax FF is that rumorsites kept reviving mention of the FF that may or may not have been in development, regardless of actual sourcing. That's what rumorsites do. They're wrong a lot between where they're right.

Hoya sold Ricoh the Pentax brand in 2011. The rumors since then have been directly from Ricoh. Rumors before then were with regards to Hoya, who did prototype and abandon a FF camera earlier in the 2000s.

It's not rocket science why it's a different case if you'd just get over your memetic faggotry for five minutes and research how things work. It's like trying to predict Cosina-Voigtlander off of Rollei-Voigtlander, or trying to predict either of those off of the original Voigtlander. You're confused and stuck on the names, fam.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Sep 2015 21:51:38 No.2667025 Report

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>>2667020
Nobody was talking about rumors and bullshit until you showed up.
The thread was going nicely until you showed up so I'm asking you nicely. Please go away!

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