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Anonymous Sat 31 Oct 2015 07:04:17 No.2695100 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>2695103 >>2695106 >>2695736

Why cant Nikon make a digital FF FM3a (or equivalent) camera?

How much space is actually needed behind the sensor? Is it that they physically do not have space to move the sensor back?

If they put the LCD on the outside of the body (like D750) and could move the sensor back they could keep the F mount for a mirrorless type camera. Who would even want something smaller than this type of camera? What would be the benefit of having 2 mounts and adapting existing F mount lenses if they could just get to FM/2/3 size wouldnt that be the ideal solution to go mirrorless?

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Anonymous Sat 31 Oct 2015 07:06:52 No.2695103 Report

Quoted By: >>2695107

>>2695100
like eos m + ef adapter or pentax k01?

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Anonymous Sat 31 Oct 2015 07:12:09 No.2695106 Report

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>>2695100
you mean like sony a7?

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Anonymous Sat 31 Oct 2015 07:12:47 No.2695107 Report

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>>2695103

K01.. Why make a new mount + adapter if its possible to do a FF mirrorless with native F mount? Who cares about the wasted space?? Who the fuck wants a FF camera a6000 slim with dslr grip and dslr lenses.. it would be fucking retarded.. Just stick an F mount on there and keep it a usable size.

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Anonymous Sat 31 Oct 2015 07:23:25 No.2695108 Report

Quoted By: >>2695743

>>2695107
>pentax k01
>hasbro in charge of camera design

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Anonymous Sat 31 Oct 2015 07:25:38 No.2695110 Report

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they definitely can make the k01 thinner.

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Anonymous Sat 31 Oct 2015 07:28:17 No.2695112 Report

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I really don't think there's very many insurmountable technical problems with making a DSLR roughly the size of a classic MF SLR. I think the problem is really just business decisions and the fact that Canikon don't think that it would be worth it to design a whole new style of DSLR radically smaller from existing ones when it's so easy to take the exact same oversized lumpy modern DSLR body they've been using for 20 years and stick the newest sensor with more pickles in it and slap a new name on it and sell it as a brand new camera. There are plenty of people on the internet who very vocally complain about wanting one, but despite that it seems like they don't think it's a good investment to make one. Nikon made a pathetic half-assed attempt to please that group of people with the DF and it ended up backfiring because the camera was a fucking abortion. Unfortunately I think that will further discourage them and others from trying to make a serious attempt. And now it's probably too late anyway because companies other than Canikon listened and they have already made plenty of mirrorless cameras which are roughly the size of an FM2 and many of which even have the same cool retro styling.

Also I post this article every time someone makes this same exact argument because this guy gets it: http://www.chromaticabrasion.com/blog/nikon-d800-versus-fm2-size-comparison

>What’s more, there seems to be no good reason for a D800 to be as big as it is. Consider that:

>the D800’s viewfinder is actually noticeably smaller than the FM2’s
>the frame size is practically identical
>the lens mount is the same, with the same distance between flange and focal plane
>a Leica M-E is barely larger than an M7
>a whole iPhone (battery, camera, display, and all!) is thinner than the D800’s extra depth behind the focal plane compared to an FM2.

!PAPyRUstcI

!PAPyRUstcI Sat 31 Oct 2015 08:11:15 No.2695120 Report

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agreed

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Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2015 18:03:55 No.2695736 Report

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>>2695100
A little added thickness wouldn't be so bothersome if they kept is simple.
The DF is such a hideous monster because they stick to this idea that a digital camera has to have an external button or dial for every function. If the ISO and shutter dial remained as it is on the old FMs and FEs, replace the rewind know with mode and a small dial on the back for aperture control on G lenses but allow for ring adjustment on all other lenses it would rock.
Every other function could be controlled through menus with a minimal number of buttons on the back with the screen. or even less if they went with a touch screen.

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Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2015 18:17:47 No.2695743 Report

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>>2695108
Actually Marc Newson designed it, it may not be that much of a looker but it has great IQ and it uses the same sensor as the d7000/K5

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Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2015 21:23:59 No.2695884 Report

Quoted By: >>2695901

>>2695112
>And now it's probably too late anyway because companies other than Canikon listened and they have already made plenty of mirrorless cameras which are roughly the size of an FM2 and many of which even have the same cool retro styling.

I don't care that much for mirrorless though. I want an OVF.

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Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2015 21:37:50 No.2695901 Report

Quoted By: >>2695935

>>2695884
Yes but if they had gotten their shit together earlier and made a smaller DSLR years ago then they could've captured the whole market of people who want a smaller camera. Now smaller cameras exist so they have to go for the smaller market of people who want a small camera but also want an OVF. And as they continue to wait, EVFs continue to get better so fewer and fewer people will insist on an OVF and the market of people who want a digital FM2 keeps shrinking.

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Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2015 22:07:48 No.2695935 Report

Quoted By: >>2699054

>>2695901

Makes complete sense. Seems though like I'll never get that pure bliss of having a small, portable DSLR. Not that I'm some ML hating faggot. I just really like seeing the actual picture with my eyes and not something processed. I feel a lot more comfortable in post when I take the picture seeing something directly with my owneye. And if I want to lug a big ass, conspicuous piece of brick, I'll take my 645 over any DSLR any day.

Guess I'm stuck with film then.

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Anonymous Fri 06 Nov 2015 21:41:39 No.2699054 Report

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>>2695935
>yfw Olympus E-420 shaped cameras are kill 4ever

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Anonymous Sat 07 Nov 2015 20:37:33 No.2699579 Report

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>what is a vocal minority

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