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Why do some here think photography is an art?

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2016 23:58:46 No.2843992 View View Reply Original Report

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Pic related, the guy just holds the microphone, he creates nothing, just records. He is not an artist.

Same for photographers, you don't create anything, you just know how to operate a recording device.

Guy holds the mic records sound waves. Not an artist.

Guy holds the camera, press the shutter and records light photos. Not an artist.

When will you take the red pill?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 May 2016 00:00:03 No.2843994 Report

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>>2843992
>Guy holds the mic records sound waves. Not an artist.

field recording guys are def artists.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 May 2016 00:03:12 No.2843998 Report

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>>2843992
Portrait and landscape photographers simply record what's in front of them, they're not artists.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 May 2016 00:04:28 No.2844001 Report

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>>2843998
*painters

To follow your argument.

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Anonymous Sat 21 May 2016 00:15:14 No.2844010 Report

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>>2843992
if you can sell something as art, it's art. This is what art is all about. Welcome to the 20th century AND BEYOND

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 May 2016 00:15:44 No.2844011 Report

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>>2843992
congrats OP, you are autistic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 May 2016 00:38:51 No.2844031 Report

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Grim faced and forbidding
Their faces closed tight
An angular mass of New Yorkers
Pacing in rhythm
Race the oncoming night
They chase through the streets of Manhattan
Head first humanity
Pause at a light
Then flow through the streets of the city

They seem oblivious
To a soft spring rain
Like an English rain
So light, yet endless
From a leaden sky

The buildings are lost
In their limitless rise
My feet catch the pulse
And the purposeful stride

I feel the sense of possibilities
I feel the wrench of hard realities
The focus is sharp in the city

Wide angle watcher
On life's ancient tales
Steeped in the history of London

Green and grey washes
In a wispy white veil
Mist in the streets of Westminster
Wistful and weathered
The pride still prevails
Alive in the streets of the city

Are they oblivious
To this quality?
A quality
Of light unique to
Every city's streets

Pavements may teem
With intense energy
But the city is calm
In this violent sea

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 May 2016 01:54:27 No.2844096 Report

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>>2844010
that is some exclusive shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 May 2016 02:11:16 No.2844109 Report

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>>2844031
I absolutely lost my shit when I heard them play this live. One of my favorite songs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 May 2016 02:45:55 No.2844143 Report

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>>2843992
Lol you're an idiot if you don't think Stieglitz, Adams, and Bresson weren't artists.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 May 2016 02:49:40 No.2844145 Report

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>>2844010
>>2844096
Imagine opening that can. The first wife of air... You'd die

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 May 2016 02:50:41 No.2844146 Report

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>>2844143
And alphon. Everything he made was pure kino

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 May 2016 02:52:20 No.2844149 Report

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>>2844146
>pure kino

Keep your /v/eddit memes outside of /p/, thanks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 May 2016 02:53:55 No.2844150 Report

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>>2844149
I'm sorry alphon

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 21 May 2016 02:55:56 No.2844151 Report

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>>2844149

alphon was a literal kinographer, my bro.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 May 2016 02:57:15 No.2844152 Report

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>>2844151
Is any of his stuff up anywhere. I actually really like it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 May 2016 02:59:18 No.2844154 Report

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>>2844152
>I actually really like it
of course you do it "unironically" guy was pretty good.

i have a folder full of rare alphs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 May 2016 03:02:21 No.2844160 Report

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>>2843992
>too talentless to be a painter
>too ugly to be an actor
>too shitty to be a singer
p-photography seems easy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 May 2016 03:04:23 No.2844163 Report

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>>2844145
it's probably dried.
so it will be like dirt.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 May 2016 04:10:29 No.2844198 Report

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I fucking hate this board so much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 May 2016 18:01:40 No.2844490 Report

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>>2843992
I don't consider myself an artist, but there's way more to photography, at least for the things I shoot, than simply holding the camera and pressing the shutter. 90% of good photography is about being a producer and director and not so much about the actual camera manipulation.

For me, that revolves around planning a shoot, building a lighting setup, and directing a "model," and then processing it after the fact.

For "art" photographers, their photography consists as much of creating the subject they'll be photographing as it does actually taking pictures of it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 May 2016 19:29:10 No.2844524 Report

Quoted By: >>2845533

>>2843992
>a composer isn't an artist, he just knows how to write black dots on paper sheets
>a painter isn't an artist, he just knows how to operate a brush so to apply colors on a canvas
you wouldn't recognize a work of art if your life depended on it OP, you have no clue what you're trying to talk about

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Anonymous Sat 21 May 2016 19:37:28 No.2844527 Report

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>>2844010
>Capitalism has finally utterly vanquished it's most erudite enemy - art

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Anonymous Sat 21 May 2016 19:39:05 No.2844528 Report

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>>2844198
Hating 4chan is a prerequisite to being a 4chanian

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 May 2016 20:56:54 No.2844569 Report

Quoted By: >>2845530

What if the guy holds the mic to sounds he orchestrated, or anticipated in an unpredictable way, then assembles them and edits them in his workshop to create something unique?
My point is you're a faggot and your logic is dumb.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 May 2016 03:19:33 No.2845510 Report

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>>2844527
art was in part developed thanks to capitalism
do you even know the Medici?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 May 2016 03:42:39 No.2845530 Report

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>>2844569
What? How can he hold the mic and play anything at the same time. Unless he is holding the mic with his feet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 May 2016 03:47:36 No.2845533 Report

Quoted By: >>2845648 >>2845710

>>2844524
>a composer isn't an artist, he just knows how to write black dots on paper sheets
>a painter isn't an artist, he just knows how to operate a brush so to apply colors on a canvas
Are you retarded? Mics and cameras are just recording devices. Most of the job is done by the device. The operator has to just press one button to work, rec or shutter button, this doesn't apply to any of the things you mentioned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 May 2016 07:23:42 No.2845648 Report

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>>2845533
>Mics and cameras are just recording devices.
So are sheets and canvas.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 May 2016 08:07:23 No.2845672 Report

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>>2844143

>name dropping

appeal to authority is definitely the mark of somebody with a bachelor of 'arts'

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 May 2016 08:24:44 No.2845681 Report

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For what it's worth, there's actually a lot more to being a boom op than just holding the mic. You wear a mixer and have to constantly control levels, gain, cutoffs, etc. I have a family friend who was a boom op for many years and showed me the ropes, and it's surprisingly tricky.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 May 2016 08:34:35 No.2845685 Report

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>>2843998

An artist communicates an idea or notion; he or she has a purpose for showing their work of art, no matter the medium he or she chooses to do so.

If he or she doesn't have an intent or purpose, no matter what it is, it isn't art. Otherwise, it is, regardless of its worth.

Also, fuck you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 May 2016 08:36:07 No.2845687 Report

Quoted By: >>2845689

>>2845685
>If he or she doesn't have an intent or purpose

define intent and purpose

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 May 2016 08:37:03 No.2845688 Report

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OP is right photography is not art, photography is something even bigger than art.
When I do documentary photography about anyone I capture them and labeling that as an art would downplay the people I photograph.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 May 2016 08:38:46 No.2845689 Report

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>>2845687

Intent: A goal for the work; an effect the artist hopes it'll achieve, no matter how grand or minor.

Purpose: A reason for the art work's existence, usually tied to its intent, but not as rigidly determined. "Because I want to, fuck you" suffices.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 May 2016 08:40:30 No.2845691 Report

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>>2845689
>A goal for the work; an effect the artist hopes it'll achieve, no matter how grand or minor.

>Purpose: A reason for the art work's existence

so when i tie my shoelaces i have an intent and also purpose therefore it is art?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 May 2016 08:54:50 No.2845694 Report

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>>2845691
4chan-level reasoning right here, folks. It doesn't get much better than this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 May 2016 08:57:59 No.2845698 Report

Quoted By: >>2845704

>>2845694

>make up definition
>somebody points out its stupid
>HURR FOURCHUN DURR

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 May 2016 09:03:37 No.2845702 Report

Quoted By: >>2845703

>Same for photographers, you don't create anything, you just know how to operate a recording device.

See that is what clueless people think but a camera of any kind distorts and captures a fabricated version of a captured reality.

There are more potential lies than truths in any photograph and it's up to the photographer to decide what lies and truths they want to show the viewer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 May 2016 09:05:13 No.2845703 Report

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>>2845702

That's very deep.

Was this your BA in english thesis?

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Anonymous Mon 23 May 2016 09:09:02 No.2845704 Report

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>>2845698

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 May 2016 09:11:02 No.2845707 Report

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>>2845704

u got #rekt son

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 May 2016 09:17:56 No.2845708 Report

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>>2845703
No anyone that has used a camera for more than a few months should be able to make that observation

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 May 2016 09:26:47 No.2845710 Report

Quoted By: >>2845712

>>2845533
>Are you retarded? Mics and cameras are just recording devices. Most of the job is done by the device. The operator has to just press one button to work, rec or shutter button, this doesn't apply to any of the things you mentioned.

if it's that easy then post a picture you've taken, faggot.
post one, so we can all laugh at how shitty you are are just pushing a button lmao whore

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 May 2016 09:27:43 No.2845711 Report

Quoted By: >>2845717

>>2845708

so you are saying the more 'truer' a camera system is able to capture a scene, the less lies and therefore less art photography is?

So lomography is the ultimate photographic art?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 May 2016 09:28:45 No.2845712 Report

Quoted By: >>2845733

>>2845710
>>2845710

>Implying anybody has to prove herself to a dog like you

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 May 2016 09:44:43 No.2845717 Report

Quoted By: >>2845722

>>2845711
Where the fuck did you get that from, I'm saying the photographer can decide how much of a truth or lie they want to present in an image. That's all dependant on the skill of the photographer, the system itself has nothing to do with it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 May 2016 09:51:44 No.2845722 Report

Quoted By: >>2845731

>>2845717

if the systems is perfect, then there is no room for lies.

so an idealised perfect camera system is incapable of making arts. but if you spit on the front element to fuck it up a bit suddenly art?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 May 2016 10:13:10 No.2845731 Report

Quoted By: >>2845734

>>2845722
The medium isn't perfect it is unbiased. The bias comes in to play when a human gets involved.

>an idealised perfect camera system is incapable of making arts
a camera sitting on its own somewhere with no human controlling it cannot make art no

> but if you spit on the front element to fuck it up a bit suddenly art?
No, if someone comes along and captures something, that can be art. The person controlling the camera decides what to create, the camera is unbiased but the photographer is not. There is no "perfect system" for capturing reality. Cameras and the photographers that use them skew things either intentionally or not but it's in their intentions that something artistic can be formed.

If you're really interested in this then read camera lucida or susan sontag on photography. They touch on this subject and it's important to have some grounding in it before trying to appreciate modern photography

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 May 2016 10:14:01 No.2845733 Report

Quoted By: >>2845735

>>2845712
>i'm too mongoloid i can't even push a button

niiiiiiiice

literally redit tier post btw fag

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 May 2016 10:16:45 No.2845734 Report

Quoted By: >>2845742

>>2845731
>name dropping

lol

>No, if someone comes along and captures something, that can be art.

if i rigged up a camera so my dog can take a shot would that be art?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 May 2016 10:17:45 No.2845735 Report

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>>2845733

Go back to Africa.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 May 2016 10:41:40 No.2845742 Report

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>>2845734
do you get this assmad about everything you get wrong :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 May 2016 10:47:58 No.2845745 Report

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>>2845742

>muh art

lel

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 May 2016 11:57:06 No.2845781 Report

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>>2843992

degener8 b8 m8 i r8 it 88/8888

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 May 2016 18:36:49 No.2846057 Report

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>>2843992
The actual act of recording the light isn't art. Its the content thats important. Art is there to express feelings or to create a feeling inside of you.

drawing a painting isnt art its about the content. Now we can ask ourself how the crafting and content are connected. And how it can enhance art.

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Anonymous Mon 23 May 2016 22:59:30 No.2846240 Report

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Anonymous Mon 23 May 2016 23:20:10 No.2846251 Report

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as oppose to modern draw fags who assimilate dozens of reference material and "draw" a picture where they have to continuously whore themselves out on DA or end up drawing dicks on girls for patreon?

or graphic design majors who's portfolio's stop when they finish their worthless degree and can't wonder why no one will hire them to place free fonts together?
i only give props to anyone going into UX and beyond because fuck thats the only facet you can make a living on

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Anonymous Sat 28 May 2016 21:31:52 No.2850237 Report

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>>2843992
Not sure if for srsly.
Assuming you are serious... Photography is considered art, because there are literally thousands of possible combinations that will get the same exposure, so it is up to the photographer to make the creative decission of how to expose the image. That's just exposure. There is also composition, framing, and editing that can be done afterwards. Photos make people feel something. That makes it art.

Unanymous

Unanymous Sat 28 May 2016 21:34:52 No.2850242 Report

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>>2843992
Trolling is an art, of which you are a master. Well play-ed, anon ;)

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