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Anonymous Mon 27 Nov 2017 13:50:34 No.3195008 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>3195024 >>3195169 >>3195175 >>3195406 >>3198165 >>3198380

Whats is your opinion on using sites like 500px? Did you use it and actually gained good attention with your pictures? Is it worth the struggle? I started like a few weeks ago and feel like 90% of the people that like/comment my stuff just want to gain attention for their own work. Like it feels pointless.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Nov 2017 14:33:24 No.3195024 Report

Quoted By: >>3195317

>>3195008
Well the same shit happens on instagram too. I wish to actually meet people with whom i could exchange and grow. It would be really fun, to talk about photography on the interwebz, while also getting some good critic or even future travell positions.

Why can't we form a good /p/hotography whatsapp group or something, where we exchange pics and infos and help everyone out to grow. Travelling to fellow /p/ - tards would be cheaper and everyone would catch more of the local community.

Social Media Sites are bullshit, everyone just wants to promote themselfe, no one is using photography as a tool to communicate with other fellow photographers. We are living in a silent bubble, where people follow their own interests.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Nov 2017 19:04:24 No.3195169 Report

Quoted By: >>3198734

>>3195008
same with IG I got sick of IG fast. made it to about 5K followers within a year and got stuck there. engagement dropped terribly over the course of the past 3 months.. almost everyone I know is leaving IG even guys with 15K followers for the same bull shit. they constantly fuck with the algorithm and engagement drops drastically every other update

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Nov 2017 19:17:50 No.3195175 Report

Quoted By: >>3195177

>>3195008
I use it for over a year now, same with instagram - most of the people just want to promote themselves but every once in a while you get a follower who really appreciates your work. same thing vise versa.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Nov 2017 19:19:48 No.3195177 Report

Quoted By: >>3195189

>>3195175
I don't like 500px obviously it's better place to show off you're work then IG but everything about it feels scammy, on the other hand instagram has turned into complete shit over the course of the past 6 months. i mean it was always shit but now it's real bad

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Nov 2017 19:40:17 No.3195189 Report

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>>3195177
still these two are the sites you get the most exposure if I am not mistaken

If you look for a well-mannered and talented community, try the YourShot-Community of National Geographics. However this community is built around monthly assignments, which means people don't engage in it like they do in social media which means it is a lot harder to get exposure.

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Anonymous Mon 27 Nov 2017 21:25:29 No.3195244 Report

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why
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there
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whatsapp
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we did the same with /v/ and it worked out really really well, i still do know the guys and even met some of them. it would be a fun thing to have a photography related group

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Nov 2017 23:47:39 No.3195317 Report

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>>3195024
Discord would work well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 00:38:34 No.3195329 Report

Quoted By: >>3195385 >>3195393

so if all the photography based social media websites/apps suck, how is anybody supposed to get exposure?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 02:26:36 No.3195385 Report

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>>3195329
Go to your rabbi and say you're a photographer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 02:52:12 No.3195393 Report

Quoted By: >>3195414 >>3198735

>>3195329
everyones is going about it wrong getting big on IG is a time consuming task unless you are willing to throw money at them, or major feature pages. put it this way the average person will reach about 1K within a year on there and then progression will start to slow drastically.. most make it to 2K if they are putting in the time, and staying focused on one particular niche .. IG is a hard platform to grow on unless you are staying consistent and posting daily. it doesn't matter how good you're shit it. I've been on there for only a year and hit 5K just posting street shit but I stayed consistent and got lucky with a few major feature pages.. while my buddy who has been on there for about 3 years can't get past 2K even though his work is insane. he's not consistent and posts once or twice a week.

I'm gonna let you all in on a secret most of the tags you are using are most likely pay to feature. some of the big accounts will ONLY contact you after you get past 4K and they send you DM's to join there engagement groups and from there they start hitting you up for money under different user names.. Sure there are a lot of legit big accounts out there.. but this is the way most of them grew.

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Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 03:19:59 No.3195406 Report

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>>3195008
Well, for enthusiasts, is there a better place? What’s the point of taking photos if i’m not gonna post them anyway?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 03:34:05 No.3195414 Report

Quoted By: >>3195427

>>3195393
so basically theres no way to get noticed

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 03:44:28 No.3195427 Report

Quoted By: >>3195432

>>3195414
IG is kinda rigged in this way.. it's not impossible to grow and hit at least 5K on you're own but after that it becomes extremely difficult. it's a up hill battle just making it out of 3K for most. pay to feature think moody grams and shit like that

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Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 03:46:31 No.3195431 Report

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Everyone hates on 500px but it's probably one of my favorite photo platform.

Of course there's a lot of shitty content and spammy comments, albeit less than on the gram, but there's also tons of great photographers and people genuinely interested in your shots.

You just have to filter out any sort of glamour photography.

What I really appreciate about it is that they actually seem to listen to community feedback and cater to people actually interested in photography. They've done a lot to fight spam and bots, added filters for NSFW content and refined their discovery algorithm.

Pic related, one of my favorite photographers on 500px.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 03:46:40 No.3195432 Report

Quoted By: >>3195441

>>3195427
and if you hit them up trying to pay them you'll only get ignored. this usually happens when you get around 5 k and post something they like then they will hit you up inviting you into a so called engagement group usually on telegram from there they start trying to get money out of you. a lot of big pages use this tactic

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 04:02:23 No.3195441 Report

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>>3195432
not to mention the algorithm is already set up to work against you on IG the way it works is based on engagement within the first 15 minutes of posting. if you're not getting 20-30 plus comments you're posts just get buried in you're followers feeds. people found a way to fight against it by creating pods, but those only work for so long when IG suspects pods (for example you get a huge spike in engagement out of nowhere) they take action by giving you a shadow ban (only you're followers see you're posts nobody else) or hit you with a spam warning and stop allowing you to comment till they lift it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 12:33:16 No.3195568 Report

Quoted By: >>3195726 >>3195771 >>3196037

When I read your posts about instagram followers I am a bit confused - I post there daily for almost a year and yet have only 131 followers. I also follow only 150 people and don't do much besides posting photos daily. The photos gain about 50 likes on average, which is good for my number of followers, so I heard.

What am I doing wrong? What can I do better?

If you think it is because my photos are shit, take a look for yourself, I don't think that's the reason https://www.instagram.com/nhamisch/

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 16:56:10 No.3195726 Report

Quoted By: >>3195771

>>3195568
I’m not a expert at ig but I did gain quite a few followers within a year. You are right you’re work is not bad, but at the same time you’re not hitting the targeted audience for you’re content. I can give you some tips when I have a chance to type later today. Just check back in on the thread

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Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 17:10:18 No.3195735 Report

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Thoughts on youpic? I have only been doing photography for a few months. I receive way more feedback, followers, and views. And I started youpic after 500px. I have an average pulse of 92.2. I think it is slower but that makes it easier to be noticed. What's your thoughts?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 18:32:58 No.3195771 Report

Quoted By: >>3195772 >>3195774 >>3195812 >>3196037 >>3198739

>>3195568
>>3195726

Understanding the way IG works is tough for anyone just trying to get into it. The algorithm it uses favors engagement, not so much likes but comments. for example if you post something and get lets say 50 likes within the first 10 minutes it won't mean much without having about 10-15 comments. the hashtags you use play a big part in this. I see it all the time people with 100-500 followers tagging moodygrams, igcolor, instagood and all of the big ones. You won't grow period if you are using these tags. The likley hood of them ever seeing you're post on there tag list is minimal because you have hundreds of thousands of people using these tags daily. That where engagement comes into play. The more engagement you get within the first 15 minutes the higher you get bumped up on the tag list boards. but for anyone starting out with less then 2-5k followers its recommended you stick with tagging small accounts.. This is the trick most people use to get there first 1000, you need to build a small following and go from there. don't tag accounts with anymore then 30K followers in the beginning. It doesn't matter how good you're shit is you won't grow.. once you hit the 5K point you will start getting the snake accounts (huge accounts) sending you DM's to join there engagement groups.. from there they will get you into a separate app called telegram explain how the pod works.. they'll keep a eye on what you are posting one day you'll post a banger and a mod will most likely say they will feature it on the page for money. they'll give you a half ass excuse why you gotta pay. i have everything from theres so many posts they need to get to that they are backed up, to if you pay we'll put you on our priority list.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 18:36:33 No.3195772 Report

Quoted By: >>3195774

>>3195771
Never join IG pod's to bump engagement if its through IG DM's. they always catch on and you get hit with the shadow ban. meaning only you're current followers will se what you are posting, you're account would be pretty much invisible to everyone else. thats why big accounts use telegram

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 18:43:18 No.3195774 Report

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>>3195771
>>3195772

And i'm gonna add one more point as rigged as IG is against you if you do manage to grow on that platform it's probably the best way to get you're work out there. it's a huge platform, and the most popular sometimes it pays to put the time and effort into getting you're account big

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 19:09:38 No.3195812 Report

Quoted By: >>3195835 >>3196037

>>3195771
thank you very much for elaborating this, mate! Until last year I had no idea about instagram, to this day I don't even use a smart phone (thank you User Agent Switcher Add-on). Also I never wanted to become one of the "I like and comment thousands of pictures for recognition"-guys because this is the cancer of social media. Now your post brought a bit of light into the dark and weird cave of instagram hashtags. So again, thank you for your time and explaining this!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 19:19:59 No.3195835 Report

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>>3195812
no problem I honestly lost interest in IG, It's not what it use to be it's hard to get recognition on there without making friends with the right people or throwing money at big accounts. it's been a struggle for me to get out of 5K for months now. it happens to everyone, you get to the point where growth gets to be impossible on you're own and the next option is to start paying for features. thats the point where I say i'm all set

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Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 22:53:04 No.3195970 Report

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500px is half way between Flickr and Instagram. It has a far better interface and functionality than Flickr but it's still ultimately the same userbase- mostly photographers

Instagram is and always will be the best place for photographers building a userbase

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Nov 2017 02:05:37 No.3196037 Report

Quoted By: >>3196390

>>3195568
I've been posting on instagram for almost a year now and have 160ish pics up there and I'm coming up for 1500 followers, so I'm nothing major but I do see some basics you're doing wrong-

>Useless hashtags
You're using descriptive hashtags. Nobody cares about #snow #rocks or #wood and you're also targeting weird things like your camera- nobody cares except beginner photographers
>Content
You're posting landscape and nature stuff which is pretty hard to make work on Instagram unless you're good because the competition is a lot better BUT by using personal style or striking editing and light you can stand out- you're using none of these and posting the same scenes everyone has already seen
>Your descriptions are all boring at best
>You have a sales pitch on your header, a boring descriptive tagline and an unengaging avatar

Other than that, what are you actually doing to gain followers? Unless you're doing something absolutely retarded even basic liking and following others is enough to get you a hundred followers a month so I'm going to have to assume you're literally doing nothing to pick up engagement and followers
I don't see many comments and I'm willing to bet you don't post stories regularly. Like >>3195771 says, those are both a huge part of engagement/value for Instagram

I also don't see you trying to be featured anywhere or tagging anyone in any posts, another completely wasted opportunity.

>>3195812
>Also I never wanted to become one of the "I like and comment thousands of pictures for recognition"-guys because this is the cancer of social media
Then you're completely divorced from reality- that is the primary function of social media- to gauge engagement and value for the platform by your presence and engagement as a user. Social media is already a cancer- you're ass backwards if you think liking and following others is a bad thing on sites specifically designed for that to happen

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Nov 2017 20:15:45 No.3196390 Report

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>>3196037
Thanks for your feedback!
Regarding the last point, what I meant is the fake liking/following stuff. Of course, when I see stuff I like, then I like and/or follow. And when I see great shots in my feed I comment. But I will continue keeping that honest, even if it means less recognition.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Nov 2017 21:15:46 No.3197154 Report

Quoted By: >>3197170

The only way to get massive amounts of follower now is to get featured by Instagram. But your engagement will drop dramatically.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Nov 2017 21:35:53 No.3197170 Report

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>>3197154
got featured by a few huge accounts a few months back gained bout 500 new followers. over the course of the few months after engagement dropped but i still had the followers minus a few. it's really hard keeping up with ig.. once you get to the 4 or 5k mark you're constantly chasing features and second guessing everything you post to try and keep the followers you have while trying to gain new ones

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Anonymous Sat 02 Dec 2017 08:12:13 No.3197960 Report

Quoted By: >>3198089

Well just so a couple of you guys see what is basicly going on. All those sweet sounding big accounts are trying to milk you. Sadly this won't work in most cases. I've seen a guy that used that offer (idiot paid 18 dollarinos) He had 350 follower before his pics got posted. After the account has posted all 3, with every picture gaining 3000 likes, he was left with no follower increase.

It sounds fancy and easy sure, but those accounts will just scam you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 Dec 2017 17:33:53 No.3198089 Report

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>>3197960
dude the really big ones like moody grams and shit will only aknowledge you when you hit a certain followers count, then they start randomly liking you're shit and shady mods start to DM you

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 Dec 2017 18:28:30 No.3198115 Report

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How do i make money from 500px?

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Anonymous Sat 02 Dec 2017 19:39:15 No.3198160 Report

Quoted By: >>3198167 >>3198445

>You post stuff, it gets 20-30 likes in 30 min and then drown in other random things in all lists.
>You get more attention when you post 3:1 panoramic crap, than slim crap in portrait'ish ratio.
>And it does not really depends on photo quality.

Maybe it becomes better when you get a shitload of connections with some real people there?

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Anonymous Sat 02 Dec 2017 19:46:15 No.3198165 Report

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>>3195008
>100% contrast
>two times

That's literally all I think about when someone mentions 500px

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 Dec 2017 19:47:17 No.3198167 Report

Quoted By: >>3198169

>>3198160
Too many have phones now and think portrait oriented photos are just like all the shit photos they take.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 Dec 2017 19:49:47 No.3198169 Report

Quoted By: >>3198581

>>3198167
Panoramic photos just take much more realestate on every list.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Dec 2017 04:44:45 No.3198380 Report

Quoted By: >>3198445

>>3195008
> feel like 90% of the people that like/comment my stuff just want to gain attention for their own work.

Isn't that what (You) want?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Dec 2017 10:00:37 No.3198445 Report

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>>3198160
>You post stuff, it gets 20-30 likes in 30 min and then drown in other random things in all lists.
If you're at this low a level you shouldn't be complaining about any of these yet

>You get more attention when you post 3:1 panoramic crap, than slim crap in portrait'ish ratio.
False, it's the other way around. Stories in particular get far less traction in landsacpe

>And it does not really depends on photo quality.
Somewhat false. Content is always and will always be king but sharpness is hugely important for instagram

>>3198380
It's also the primary reason every social media site exists. I don't understand why anyone fails to understand this

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Anonymous Sun 03 Dec 2017 13:45:39 No.3198507 Report

Quoted By: >>3198581

I posted this photo on 500px and it got 8 likes. Are they sincere about those likes? I wish someone could sincerely like me in real life.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Dec 2017 16:18:07 No.3198578 Report

Quoted By: >>3198583 >>3198586 >>3198654 >>3198688 >>3199022

I'd say at least 90% of all interaction on IG is self-serving or insincere, but then what else is new. I'd say that applies much moreso to Flickr (because there's less of a social or real-life element) and probably 500px as well. I've only liked/commented/subscribed stuff I would want to put on the wall of my house but I think really if you want to 'climb the ladder' you've got to be doing that shit hundreds of times a day.

Just out of interest, what ends does everyone hope to gain from their online photo presence? One person said they were just looking for human interaction, I personally wanna sell prints eventually.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Dec 2017 16:29:54 No.3198581 Report

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>>3198169
Eyes are horizontally aligned and a panorama is more familiar and relatable than portrait.

>>3198507
I can see why they liked it. I'm stingy as fuck with "likes" and rarely ever give any on any social medium. Getting half the sun cutting out the side of the building and lining up the corner of the roof of the shorter building with the edge of the taller building is neat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Dec 2017 16:33:15 No.3198583 Report

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>>3198578
>self-serving

That's the biggest problem with social media with ranking systems and such. People and bots rank shit and post shit specifically to get their own account known and nothing more. Some are really obvious, like those retarded names and a pic of a "hot" chic with a link to some never ending spam hole. Others are not so obvious since they are legit people not trying to get ad-clicks, but are just trying to get noticed on that social media site. People who leave constructive comments are pretty rare, but the only ones anyone should give any credence to.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Dec 2017 16:37:08 No.3198586 Report

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>>3198578
>Just out of interest, what ends does everyone hope to gain from their online photo presence?

A lot of it is misplaced human interaction and ego stroking. There's nothing inherently wrong with that, but it is far better to seek that sort of thing from people you are having a face-to-face conversation with. As for getting actual hard critiquing of your images, that is a much better goal to seek. Of course, ignore those people who only say non-engaging stuff like, "I love it/I hate it." Those are pretty worthless in the end. Those who actually detail finer reasons why something appeals or disgusts them are better.

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Anonymous Sun 03 Dec 2017 18:47:51 No.3198654 Report

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>>3198578

>Just out of interest, what ends does everyone hope to gain from their online photo presence? One person said they were just looking for human interaction, I personally wanna sell prints eventually.

Aside from getting an ego boost and feeling like my work "matters" it would be cool to get the opportunity to exhibit my work in real life, or publish some photos somewhere. Right now I would like to get my work featured on Boooooom, The Heavy Collective or Ignant, which are sites I browse daily. This is more of a personal goal and something I consider a stepping stone. Maybe shoot some work for someone or some brand. Or even to just connect with others that shoot. At this point don't really know, it's a hobby and I feel like I should be sharing what I shoot rather than have it chillin on harddrive collecting dust.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Dec 2017 19:54:44 No.3198688 Report

Quoted By: >>3198731 >>3198741

>>3198578
>Just out of interest, what ends does everyone hope to gain from their online photo presence? One person said they were just looking for human interaction, I personally wanna sell prints eventually.

I want to know what people liked about a given shot I took, or what they disliked, in an objective manner. This allows me the ability to increase my skill as a photographer.

Purely egotistical, too. I want to be recognized for my creative work. In the same way people want to be olympic athletes, celebrities, and so on. Why wouldn't you want to be one of the greats?

A presence that is acknowledged, critiqued, and improved upon cannot happen unless you aspire for these things.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Dec 2017 21:08:31 No.3198731 Report

Quoted By: >>3198758

>>3198688
Do you find that people actually give you constructive feedback other than the generic fave-fishing 'fantastic shot', 'great lighting' etc.?

chosis !!gN+fxR1HbtO

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chosis !!gN+fxR1HbtO Sun 03 Dec 2017 21:12:11 No.3198734 Report

Quoted By: >>3198787

>>3195169
IG is a sick game. maybe post more photos of hot girls showing some skin or booties? that sohuld get your followers up. You have to market yourself.

I love networking and supporting the /p/ community. please navigate to my website www.chosis.com or www.instagram.com/chosis7 if you want to check out some interesting urban photography
All feedback is very valuable , even though i have stage 3 bone cancer I am really trying to live life in the photography "fast lane". Just because I have cancer doesn't mean you have to be nice in your comments, I want the complete human experience. Happy photo taking.

chosis !!gN+fxR1HbtO

chosis !!gN+fxR1HbtO Sun 03 Dec 2017 21:13:23 No.3198735 Report

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>>3195393
yo link us to your buddies IG i wanna see his work plz :)

chosis !!gN+fxR1HbtO

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chosis !!gN+fxR1HbtO Sun 03 Dec 2017 21:25:43 No.3198739 Report

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>>3195771
yeah no one should be paying for anything. It's a scam to pay. If IG finds out you pay for manipulation they will shadow ban your account or outright ban your account. not worth the risk. My strategy is using hashtags that have very low competition so i can be listed on the top 9 popular photos. This really helps with getting ur work exposure. no point to using the bigger hastags till you get more followers

chosis !!gN+fxR1HbtO

chosis !!gN+fxR1HbtO Sun 03 Dec 2017 21:27:09 No.3198741 Report

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>>3198688
you forgot to mention that a lot of girls are on instagram too and a big follower count is now the 1999 equivalent of a 9 inch dick. it will get girls wet if you have like 30k followers.

who cares about being famous.

i agree with the more accurate critique the more people you have. my current goal is 30,000 followers

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Dec 2017 21:37:40 No.3198758 Report

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>>3198731
No :(

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Dec 2017 22:09:25 No.3198787 Report

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>>3198734
Stop spamming, kid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Dec 2017 04:29:18 No.3199022 Report

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>>3198578
I'm not a photographer, I'm just on here because I want to gain an online presence on IG and there's some good advice in here. However, I think photography is really cool and I would probably get into it if I had a DSLR camera.

Overall, I really want engagement with my followers. I study physics and I love interacting with other students in STEM and hearing about their research. I am also somewhat into fitness and eventually want to bring that on to my ig. So I guess you could say I want to be a lifestyle profile, however I won't be selling anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Dec 2017 05:20:43 No.3199045 Report

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what is the point of trying to get big on insta/500px?

can it lead to an opportunity to exhibit work in a gallery?

I started letting my photography instagram account die because it feels too much like pointless hard work.

I was posting one picture a day of my film work but now I just can't summon the energy.

should I reinstate it? why do you guys do it?

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