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Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 15:15:33 No.3363128 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>3363143 >>3363150 >>3363179 >>3363635 >>3363773 >>3364784 >>3366090

>Desperate to build portrait portfolio
>Put up Ad on Greggslist offering free portraits
>Get 10's of emails
>One agrees to meet and exchanges numbers
>Meeting time comes, she's not on location, I call, voicemail.
>Wait 1h and go home, no more emails from her.
>She already flaked me once and was like "Omggg!! I'm sorry I had work at the last minuet, let's do it tomorrow!"
>Schedule with the others who sent an e-mail.
>Get flaked again.

How 2 find models? Should I just go Landscape?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 15:34:26 No.3363143 Report

Quoted By: >>3363148 >>3363153 >>3366090

>>3363128
Build and IG account with all your portraits, get some friends or whatever to pose for you and upload that along with believable pics from the internet. Build/buy/bot a couple hundred followers. DM wannabe models telling them you want to collab, expect like 80-90% flakes because women are like that.
Alternatively just pay them, but I don't know if it's worth it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 15:41:45 No.3363148 Report

Quoted By: >>3364660 >>3366090

>>3363143
It's getting the first models that's my real struggle. Friends don't wanna sign any model release and goes with the usual "but why?"
And models want an existing portfolio but I have none, which is why I'm "giving out" free shoots.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 15:43:55 No.3363150 Report

Quoted By: >>3363760

>>3363128
offer to do free portraits and headshots for actors to build port, then go for models next

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 15:46:12 No.3363153 Report

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>>3363143
paying is probably not worth it tho

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 15:49:14 No.3363157 Report

Quoted By: >>3363163 >>3364793

Welcome to the world of TFP. Models are gonna flake on you about 50% of the time, overall. I’ve found this number to be very consistent over large amounts of models and shoots I’ve set up.

You just sort of have to accept it, I think.

Try doing portrait sessions with your friends instead. If you don’t have any friends, get off 4chan and make some goddamn friends, goddamn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 15:58:54 No.3363163 Report

Quoted By: >>3363710

>>3363157
Now I'm not even sure if I should set up a session with the remaining models in my email or if I should just go with "friends" first.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Sep 2018 16:13:41 No.3363179 Report

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>>3363128
Also OP here, how did you guys get started with portraits and where are you now in terms of success?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Sep 2018 00:40:00 No.3363635 Report

Quoted By: >>3363728

>>3363128

Find a group on meetup.

There are a ton around me, they charge like $10-20 a person and with 8-10 people you can hire real models and no BS.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Sep 2018 01:47:27 No.3363710 Report

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>>3363163

Why not both?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Sep 2018 02:02:00 No.3363728 Report

Quoted By: >>3364101

>>3363635
You mean like a photo get together or something?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 26 Sep 2018 02:41:53 No.3363758 Report

Quoted By: >>3363787 >>3363812

>Desperate to build landscape portfolio
>Put up Ad on Greggslist offering free landscapes
>Get 10's of emails
>One agrees to meet and exchanges numbers
>Meeting time comes, it's not on location, I call, voicemail.
>Wait 1h and go home, no more emails from it.
>it already flaked me once and was like "wind blowing"
>Schedule with the others who sent an e-mail.
>Get flaked again.

How 2 find good spots? Should I just go Macro?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 26 Sep 2018 02:43:29 No.3363760 Report

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>>3363150
Approach a small business, tell them you are trying to build your portfolio and offer to shoot free headhshots for their facebook, linkedin or any other social media they are on. if they like your work they may actually reference you or contact you in the future for paid work.

once you have this set it should be easier to get a model since you can show you actually work with professionals

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Sep 2018 03:28:09 No.3363773 Report

Quoted By: >>3363776

>>3363128
What I do personally, is that I just walk around my local university and stop people that look interesting or especially good looking.

I typically wave them down and approach. I simply say, "Hi, you looked interesting. I am doing street portraits, would you mind if I take some?". So far I've only had 2 people say no.

Now, I haven't actually gone out and done this in almost 3 weeks now due to weather and procrastinating. I will say that it is also good practice for on demand composition and overall social skills. I usually grab their instagram and post their pics tagging them. I usually send them copies of the photos in a low resolution and simply ask that if they post, to tag me. They always do.

One tip I have that is very important is that you HAVE to have confidence. Approach them like you know exactly what the hell you are doing.

Also good for picking up women.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Sep 2018 03:39:58 No.3363776 Report

Quoted By: >>3363780

>>3363773
I tried this for a few days actually, but they all wanted to see my IG or "where can I see the final picture?" and then I 'confidently' give the my page then they see there's no portraits and they feel weird.

I've had one old fat woman accepting my request and I fucked the lighting/it's unusable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Sep 2018 03:44:39 No.3363780 Report

Quoted By: >>3363781

>>3363776
I've never had them ask to see my IG before I take photos of them. But if they do and you have nothing to show, just tell them you are trying to build your portfolio or you deleted your old IG account.

But yeah, it is good practice. You need to be quick and accurate with your settings. I typically mess with my settings as I am walking around depending on the lighting situation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Sep 2018 03:58:26 No.3363781 Report

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>>3363780
Aight, thanks for the tip, I'll try this with our local university.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 26 Sep 2018 04:22:27 No.3363787 Report

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>>3363758
kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Sep 2018 05:42:29 No.3363812 Report

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>>3363758
Thanks for spending the time to post this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Sep 2018 15:15:13 No.3364101 Report

Quoted By: >>3364328

>>3363728
Not him but I also attend one of these as a casual hobby. Usually 3 nude models for $10 equivalent. Around 4-5 hours of shooting (Models waering diff. clothing, then slowly strip to naked, in diff. locations within a small place). Other photogs within the group you can network with and give you tips what other outside groups they shoot with. Plus you'll learn from their shooting techniques and how to transition pose models which really helps.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Sep 2018 21:18:13 No.3364328 Report

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>>3364101

yes exactly. on the meetup app I found like 20 local photography groups.

Some into portraits, some into glamour/lingerie shoots, some into landscapes, whatever

There are a couple of smaller groups that hire models for full nudes etc and rent a studio for the day.

I've seen pricing from like 10 dollars for a couple hours casual shooting to $100 each for a couple of models and studio.

Much easier to pool resources and get it done that way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Sep 2018 09:05:09 No.3364660 Report

Quoted By: >>3364784

>>3363148
ok, i know you're just starting out, but if i had to do it all again, i'd do it this way

-shoot as many friends as you can. offer profile pics/linkedin photos
shoot in natural light, it's free (or cheap if you buy a reflector/corflute/foam board)
-Save your money and PAY for a model or two. Travelling models on model mayhem/instagram are a magnificent source of experience. Most of them need very minimal direction and you can learn quite a bit (or just focus on your composition/exposure)

TFP models are mostly shit. inexperienced and flakey as hell. had a few attempts of them to try and get free work out of me, completely set the terms (instead of being a collaboration) generally be picky over who you shoot if you can

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 27 Sep 2018 13:31:53 No.3364784 Report

Quoted By: >>3364789 >>3365680

>>3364660
>>3363128
Hi, this is OP, and I got flaked again fellas".

How much should I invest in a model and how do I fake it when I only shoot with natural light and they might expect me to be some strobist with 100 Godoxes?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Sep 2018 13:48:03 No.3364789 Report

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>>3364784
>Update
I'm still gonna keep on scouting, flaking happens and I won't be discouraged. I'll update if I got any leads.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Sep 2018 13:57:09 No.3364793 Report

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>>3363157
easy, just give her a ride/pickup pay for taxi. and caterer like a dinner/lunch. Make a good message /letter too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Sep 2018 15:15:34 No.3365680 Report

Quoted By: >>3365969

>>3364784

We've told you 3 times now I see in this thread that you need to be doing this as part of a group so it's
a) cheaper
b) more reliable
c) more educational

Keep doing it your way and let us know the fails

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Sep 2018 01:16:49 No.3365969 Report

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>>3365680
The meetup groups in my area only shoot themed pictures of mostly landscapes, flowers etc. And I don't know of any local groups that do model shoots.

Sugar !egyYvoBZV2

Sugar !egyYvoBZV2 Sat 29 Sep 2018 03:01:25 No.3366008 Report

Quoted By: >>3366014 >>3366046

I schedule and book 10 at a time for 3 days of home time and usually one or two might actually show up

I plan them around other shit that I'm doing so I'm not stuck with my thumb up my ass if they flake, fuck them I'm going to the location anyway to shoot landscapes.

Make plans with women, not for them exclusively.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Sep 2018 03:22:15 No.3366014 Report

Quoted By: >>3366015

>>3366008
do you pay them or tfp?
you look like a guy that has to pay.
do they get weirded out by the 25 yr old ford probe?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Sep 2018 03:23:25 No.3366015 Report

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>>3366014
or the semi truck in the drive way?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Sep 2018 04:30:26 No.3366046 Report

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>>3366008
OP here, sounds like you also scout nice landscapes to use as location.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Sep 2018 07:26:02 No.3366090 Report

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>>3363128
>>3363143
>>3363148
I would suggest all of these. You could also just shoot on the street and build a pseudo port. If you can get 10-20 good street portraits you'll be able to market yourself just fine. You won't have a model release but no one is gonna see your shitty port anyway or give a shit. Even then, it's street photos which are taken on public property. I don't think you need a release for that shit. A few not shit photos and you're golden. Post 4-8 of your best shots on cl and offer TFP, same to mmayhem. Also don't pull models of mmayhem, pull other creative professionals/especially MUAs have a meeting with them, talk about collaboration and how much you like their makeup on whatever shit they did and you're in like flynn. MUAs on mmayhem tend to know hella models from other collabs so lean on them to set shit up as they are already well on their way to making a living doing this shit and you haven't gotten a single person to sit for you.

work on your photos until you have some good shit. find syllabi for photoclasses and do all of the assignments, post to communities for feedback. most of the feedback will be total shit. once in a while you'll get something good, from someone who knows more shit than you. When that happens hold onto that photo relationship and send them your photos and ask them to pick out the best of them. continue studying and continue making shit. you'll learn a lot at first, and then incremental improvements will come after a while. continue to challenge yourself and learn new things.

The process I used: do photo assignments, read photobooks of top photographers, learn lighting like real lighting. Do one more photo assignments a week, and learn something new every week. be relentless. the shit will fall into place.

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