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>>3389905
except my first body and two lenses I bought nearly all of my gear, from native lenses, tripod to flash, used. So many people have this expensive hobby but dont use their stuff and try to sell it in like new condition for cheap. Sometimes half the new price. The loss of value is insanse, kinda like cars. If you sell it used again this loss is much smaller than when you buy new.
Depending on your country's laws you have to do without any warranty though.

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Anonymous Sun 11 Nov 2018 21:40:33 No.3389930 Report

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>>3389905
Yeah, if I don't know how something has been treated I don't want it.

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Anonymous Sun 11 Nov 2018 21:46:35 No.3389933 Report

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>>3389925
if I wanted to get a d500 I could saved upwards of 300 bucks buying used

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Anonymous Sun 11 Nov 2018 22:11:14 No.3389947 Report

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>>3389905
I do, but I'm a professional and have the budget for it.

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Anonymous Sun 11 Nov 2018 22:18:14 No.3389950 Report

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>>3389905
only if there's a really good deal on or if it's something that i'm tired of waiting to find used

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Anonymous Sun 11 Nov 2018 22:23:47 No.3389954 Report

Quoted By: >>3390000 >>3391210 >>3395296

thinking about grabbing a sigma 150-600 if i can find a good deal on one, but kinda hesitant at the same time because it's still gonna be like a grand on sale and the season for shooting wildlife is pretty much over already

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Anonymous Sun 11 Nov 2018 22:37:45 No.3389960 Report

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>>3389905
The only things I ever buy new are consumables. That will likely change in the future since a lot of 4 year old kit is more expensive second hand than from grey imports these days. Completely nuts.

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Anonymous Sun 11 Nov 2018 22:57:26 No.3389975 Report

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Am in U.K. if any niggaz know of any deals over here let us know

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Anonymous Sun 11 Nov 2018 23:17:44 No.3389990 Report

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>>3389843
Looks like shit that I don't want at a price that I'm unwilling to pay for each of those cameras.

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Anonymous Sun 11 Nov 2018 23:34:41 No.3390000 Report

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>>3389954
Keep an eye on LensRentals on Black Friday. They (at least used to) do these flash sales on good used gear. I got my Canon 70-200mm f/2.8 II for like $1,600, and the thing was barely used.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Nov 2018 00:03:52 No.3390007 Report

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>>3389990
I think the best way to get entry level gear is to buy it off facebook from someone who got it and barely if ever used it

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Anonymous Mon 12 Nov 2018 01:57:19 No.3390086 Report

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>>3390000
Damn, checked and a cracking deal.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Nov 2018 02:02:56 No.3390088 Report

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>>3390000
>>3390086
same, although the sigma 150-600 isn't in stock right now, unfortunately

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Anonymous Mon 12 Nov 2018 02:38:45 No.3390098 Report

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>>3389905
Yes, I go to a particular country with low prices. I always buy face to face so I can test samples first hand.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Nov 2018 03:17:55 No.3390102 Report

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>>3389905
bodies? yes
lenses? no

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Anonymous Mon 12 Nov 2018 03:28:42 No.3390106 Report

Quoted By: >>3390107

>>3389843
>$600 for an a6000
god damn, was hoping to get one of the newer models during blackfriday but if the a6500 is already at that price then fucking forget it.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Nov 2018 03:35:18 No.3390107 Report

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>>3390106
>if the a6500 is already at that price
???

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Anonymous Mon 12 Nov 2018 16:07:26 No.3390276 Report

Quoted By: >>3390278 >>3390294

>tfw still too in debt to take advantage of any deals
I want that 14-24 so bad

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Anonymous Mon 12 Nov 2018 16:13:03 No.3390278 Report

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>>3390276
Go more into debt.

You need that 14-24. Think of how much happier you’d be with it. Don’t think about the cost. That’s an abstract concept. You’ll have lots of time in the future to pay down that debt. Right NOW, you’re missing good photos because you don’t have that lens. You work hard, and you deserve it.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Nov 2018 16:15:11 No.3390279 Report

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>>3390102
this right here, also not being a poorfag helps

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Anonymous Mon 12 Nov 2018 16:30:06 No.3390289 Report

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>>3390278
> Go more into debt

> Going into debt for camera gear
> Going into debt
Shiggy diggy

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Anonymous Mon 12 Nov 2018 16:40:30 No.3390291 Report

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>>3389930
That's fair, as a rule I rub my balls on anything I sell on ebay

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Anonymous Mon 12 Nov 2018 17:03:43 No.3390294 Report

Quoted By: >>3390301

>>3390278
>>3390276
That lens will be worthless when Nikon makes a real wide angle zoom for Z-mount.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Nov 2018 17:12:50 No.3390298 Report

Quoted By: >>3390324 >>3390371 >>3391182 >>3396500

>>3390278
This is why i got finance for my x100f, if i paid it off on time it wouldn't have cost me any extra than buying it outright.

As it happens my stupid parents stopped giving me enough allowance so i had to sell the camera to cover my debt, but it was great for the 6 months i had it.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Nov 2018 17:19:07 No.3390300 Report

Quoted By: >>3390432

>>3389905
yeah why the fuck would I want to put my face up to a view finder some sweaty cunt has had their disgusting face oils all over. Same with the screen, grip, lenses.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Nov 2018 17:24:48 No.3390301 Report

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>>3390294
>Z mount
Who cares?

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Anonymous Mon 12 Nov 2018 17:26:56 No.3390303 Report

Quoted By: >>3390306

>>3390301
You say that now, but just wait till you see how true wide angle lens can perform.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Nov 2018 17:49:59 No.3390306 Report

Quoted By: >>3390308 >>3390322

>>3390303
Why would a wide angle be better on a z mount? That makes no sense.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Nov 2018 18:03:29 No.3390308 Report

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>>3390306
Same reason their new Z-mount 35mm is better than the old ones.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Nov 2018 18:19:17 No.3390322 Report

Quoted By: >>3390328 >>3391918

>>3390306
Basic optics: the focal length is the distance from the focal plane to the lens. That only really applies to very simple single-element lenses and modern optics have a lot more going on, so the focal length rarely corresponds directly to the distance from the optics to the focal plane, but there’s usually a strong correlation.

Except you can’t do that with wide-angle lenses. The flange-focal distance of the Nikon F Mount is 46.5mm, which means nothing wider than 46.5mm can use a simple lens design like that. Instead, they have to use a retrofocus design—basically, a telephoto design turned around. If you’ve ever looked through binoculars or a telescope backwards, you’ll know how that works.

Moving the flange focal distance closer to the image plane (16mm for the Z-mount) means that they can get away with wide-angle lenses that use a much simpler design. Simplifying that part of the design means that more effort can be channeled into other aspects of the lens design to make it sharper, produce better colors, correct for more optical issues, etc.

Note: I’m certainly not well-versed in the nitty gritty intricacies of optical design, so if someone more knowledgeable is in the thread, feel free to correct me.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Nov 2018 18:24:12 No.3390324 Report

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>>3390298
Murder your parents. They are standing in the way of your dreams. Parents are supposed to help their children, not hold them back. If you murder them, you’ll inherit their money and can use that to buy yourself any Fuji you want. Maybe even a GFX50 medium format Fuji. Imagine how good the pictures you’d take with that would be. Imagine how easy it would be to murder them. Medium format gives amazing image quality. They’d never suspect it. You’d be the envy of every other photographer. The police won’t assume a crying child is the murdered, so you’d probably get away with it. You could pick between either the old SLR-style body or the new rangefinder-style, it’s all up to you, once the people controlling you are out of the picture.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Nov 2018 18:32:39 No.3390328 Report

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>>3390322
Yup, as well as lower cost for smaller front elements.

You could even do what Sony has done and make the furthest Front element thee Aspherical.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Nov 2018 18:33:59 No.3390329 Report

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>"Deals"

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Anonymous Mon 12 Nov 2018 18:37:59 No.3390330 Report

Quoted By: >>3390335

>>3390328
>You could even do what Sony has done and make the furthest Front element thee Aspherical.
:D and Canon acted like they invented reversing the 35mm optics on the new RF mount.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Nov 2018 18:49:15 No.3390335 Report

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>>3390330
Bigger mount = better quality
Sony can dance around truth all day, but it won't change the fact that Canon now offers best mirrorless lenses for third of the price of Sonys Zeiss branded monstrosities.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Nov 2018 18:58:06 No.3390336 Report

Quoted By: >>3390380

>>3390335
Canon's mount is worse, because it is 20mm flange.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Nov 2018 19:57:09 No.3390366 Report

Quoted By: >>3390374 >>3390399 >>3391648

I picked up one of those A7ii with the shitty 28-70 lens deals for $999.

Man that lens sucks donkey balls.
The camera is so so.
I've got some adapters for manual F and MD glass so that has been keeping me occupied but overall I'm not super impressed with this thing.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Nov 2018 20:02:21 No.3390371 Report

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>>3390298
>finance?
>parents?
>allowance?

Wait
what?

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Anonymous Mon 12 Nov 2018 20:03:53 No.3390372 Report

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>>3390371
For real at least when I said I was in debt it was because I had to make a huge emergency purchase earlier this year and an paying it off with my salary.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Nov 2018 20:06:37 No.3390374 Report

Quoted By: >>3390376

>>3390366
There is a reason why everybody recommend that Tamron zoom.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Nov 2018 20:10:24 No.3390376 Report

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>>3390374
Is that the 28-75 2.8?

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Anonymous Mon 12 Nov 2018 20:10:44 No.3390378 Report

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>>3390376
Yup.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Nov 2018 20:15:27 No.3390380 Report

Quoted By: >>3390390 >>3390393

>>3390336
You're confusing flange distance with back-focus distance. Although it's ugly, if necessary a lens can reach into the mount. It was a well-considered decision to prevent mounting RF lenses on other systems. We should wipe the smirk off Canons face that eventually they start building good bodies again

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Anonymous Mon 12 Nov 2018 20:33:48 No.3390390 Report

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>>3390380
>eventually they start building good bodies again
Yeah, like that will ever happen

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Anonymous Mon 12 Nov 2018 20:39:56 No.3390393 Report

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>>3390380
>It was a well-considered decision to prevent mounting RF lenses on other systems.
Bullshit. The Z-mount will easily be able to mount manual RF lenses.

If Canon wanted it to be impossible, they would have made the flange 16mm instead of 20.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Nov 2018 20:45:17 No.3390398 Report

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>>3390393
Collapsible leica 50mm is probably an issue.
It's super close on E mount.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Nov 2018 20:46:28 No.3390399 Report

Quoted By: >>3390507

>>3390366
its basicly a milc-wip camera from 2014, you shouldnt have exspected an mark 3 type of performance.
The lens is totally ok for a kit lens if you correct it in post. Seen worse.

I'm from europe, dont have that 999$ deal. Grey import price is 875€, current amazon price is 1111€. Sony offers 150€ cashback with some dealers, maybe I should wait those other two weeks exspecting they will sell it with some discount, even 86€ off would allready fill the gap. Man, I hate waiting.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Nov 2018 22:22:55 No.3390432 Report

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>>3390300
Just clean it, you slob.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Nov 2018 22:25:26 No.3390434 Report

Quoted By: >>3390445 >>3396548

>>3390278
>Right NOW, you’re missing good photos because you don’t have that lens

Load of nonsense

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Anonymous Mon 12 Nov 2018 23:07:24 No.3390441 Report

Quoted By: >>3395318

>>3389843
I got a used Pentax with two lens (lenses, lense, what is the plural of a plural in english) for $400
How did I do?

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Anonymous Mon 12 Nov 2018 23:17:10 No.3390445 Report

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>>3390434
You should definitely argue against that guy’s advice. There’s no way that it was deliberately bad advice presented as a joke. Ignore the photo attached to that reply, it doesn’t have any relevance. If you don’t shit this guy down, others might think that his bad advice is totally legit and real. This is an extremely good use of your time.

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Anonymous Tue 13 Nov 2018 00:54:57 No.3390477 Report

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>>3389905
>buying second hand

enjoy scratched sensor and the camera body itself being handled by some fat fuck with dirty fingers

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Anonymous Tue 13 Nov 2018 00:58:11 No.3390478 Report

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>>3390000
ok I'm looking into it. quads has spoken

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Anonymous Tue 13 Nov 2018 02:35:43 No.3390507 Report

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>>3390399
I think the d610 and a 24-85 vr is a better deal
give up 1/8000 but gain a built in flash and better battery life.

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Anonymous Tue 13 Nov 2018 09:19:36 No.3390695 Report

Quoted By: >>3390696 >>3390827

>>3390507
>built-in flash being useful in any way
Why are you purpusefully giving bad advice?

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Anonymous Tue 13 Nov 2018 09:25:16 No.3390696 Report

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>>3390695
Retard

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Anonymous Tue 13 Nov 2018 09:53:10 No.3390702 Report

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>>3390696
Idiot

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Anonymous Tue 13 Nov 2018 14:35:11 No.3390758 Report

Quoted By: >>3394545

Nikon D3400 refurb with kit lenses for $320.
https://slickdeals.net/f/12245680-refurb-nikon-d3400-w-18-55-vr-70-300mm-lenses-400-or-body-w-18-55-vr-lens-320-free-s-h?src=frontpage

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Anonymous Tue 13 Nov 2018 17:23:37 No.3390827 Report

Quoted By: >>3390859

>>3390695
Commander mode for off camera flash dumb dumb.

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Anonymous Tue 13 Nov 2018 18:29:54 No.3390859 Report

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>>3390827
Also fill flash in tricky high-contrast lighting situations (eg, shooting against a sunset).

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Anonymous Wed 14 Nov 2018 13:33:15 No.3391182 Report

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>>3390298
>My stupid parents stopped giving me money
Best decision they ever made, and at the perfect opportunity to make you realize how much a mooching parasite you are.

Get a job. Move out. Work for the shit you want like a normal person.

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Anonymous Wed 14 Nov 2018 14:24:23 No.3391210 Report

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>>3389954
fucking dammit, sigma's got one refurbished on their website for $830 but will only ship to a US address

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Anonymous Thu 15 Nov 2018 04:30:02 No.3391592 Report

Quoted By: >>3391850

Am I drunk? Since when is the Nikon D810 only 1700$

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Anonymous Thu 15 Nov 2018 05:22:40 No.3391623 Report

Quoted By: >>3391634

Is there a point in buying from an official retailer if the warranty is onky one year?
Grey market is usually like $200off, but hard to find a kit.
Wondering if bullshit friday monday will have a good deal, otherwise i'll just buy it cash from those photo stores in manhattan.

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Anonymous Thu 15 Nov 2018 06:24:22 No.3391634 Report

Quoted By: >>3391986

>>3391623
I think it's unlikely that you'll have any issues while the camera is under warranty unless you're a very active shooter. Even then, these products are built very well.

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Anonymous Thu 15 Nov 2018 08:48:32 No.3391648 Report

Quoted By: >>3391747 >>3391795

>>3390366
huh, i was thinking of getting the a7ii because of that sale price but now i might hold back.
is it really that bad of a camera? been looking for something to replace my t5i since its kinda broken and was thinking of going towards the mirrorless side for my replacement.

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Anonymous Thu 15 Nov 2018 13:38:55 No.3391741 Report

Quoted By: >>3392007 >>3395640

>>3389843
Will the a7ii be cheaper on black Friday?

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Anonymous Thu 15 Nov 2018 14:01:20 No.3391747 Report

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>>3391648
It's way better than a t5i but you have to remember the A7ii is still a camera from 2014.

All the native lenses either suck or are stupid expensive and adapting glass is kinda a waste of time desu.

I regret buying one.

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Anonymous Thu 15 Nov 2018 15:31:52 No.3391785 Report

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>>3389905
Bought sold and almost made my money back on every camera and lens so far. The exception is my current a7iii which I expect to decrease in value by more than 20% over the next few years, but then I'm unlikely to buy another camera so other than filters, my photography has been almost completely rented for free

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Anonymous Thu 15 Nov 2018 15:44:42 No.3391793 Report

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>>3391747
ah i see. any mirrorless you can recommend then at a similar price point? around that $1000 range?

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Anonymous Thu 15 Nov 2018 15:48:34 No.3391795 Report

Quoted By: >>3391816 >>3391828

>>3391648
>huh, i was thinking of getting the a7ii because of that sale price but now i might hold back.
>is it really that bad of a camera?
It’s not *bad* per se, but having used both the a7ii and higher end Canon bodies, I’d recommend against jumping ship to mirrorless quite yet:

1. Lenses are EXPENSIVE AS SHIT. Neither Sony nor third parties really makes cheap lenses for the FE (full frame Sony) mount yet, and the system hasn’t been around long enough for there to be cheap old stuff if you want autofocus.
2. The AF system is annoying. It’s much more complicated to manually control where you’re focusing. About on par with your t5i, but you don’t get the control that you get on a higher end canon.
3. High iso noise isn’t great. It’s better than your t5i, but not as good as a 5D Mark III.
4. Battery life sucks. You’ll want to charge your battery every day you use the camera. Possibly multiple times if you use it a lot.
5. The controls are poorly placed. Like, deliberately, so that you can’t hit them by accident, but it has the side effect that it’s a little harder to hit them on purpose.

There are definitely advantages though:
1. In-body image stabilization is niiiice
2. It’s got a flippy screen. Not as good as your Canon’s, but better than the fixed screens on higher end Canons.
3. EVFs are better for manual focus. If your shooting style works well with manual focus, you can get around the expensive native lens issue with cheap adapters and cheap vintage lenses.
4. Or if you just like playing with old lenses. A Sony can mount just about anything.

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Anonymous Thu 15 Nov 2018 15:53:54 No.3391797 Report

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>>3389905
Not the film ones

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Anonymous Thu 15 Nov 2018 16:31:08 No.3391816 Report

Quoted By: >>3391828

>>3391795
>1. Lenses are EXPENSIVE AS SHIT
This. Do not look at body prices for sony models! Not even for apsc a6000 and a6300. Always plan of getting a fast prime, fast zoom as well if you want to get lens sharpness you should be getting out of the body. Even f4 constant aperture zoom for apsc goes for 1000eurodollars. Always have that in mind. Sony body + 1000eurodolalrs, if you don't have that much cash, look elsewhere.

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Anonymous Thu 15 Nov 2018 17:37:58 No.3391828 Report

Quoted By: >>3391834 >>3391840

>>3391795
>>3391816
While this is true I'd argue they're also some of the best modern lenses you can get, especially when paired with a good sony FE body which typically have both IBIS and incredibly fast C-AF/AF, and that tons of cheap lenses can and do exist regardless.
I went from the a6k to the a73 and kept all my cheap glass and even shoot some sellable hits on the 28-70 kit lens. And I use both in FF and APS-C because you essentially have an extra half a lens for every FF lens you buy on the FE.

I also think one of the reasons that sony has expensive glass that people forget is that it's also very good for video. Doesn't mean much if you're a photographer but I use instagram and youtube so the extra cost makes more sense for me

If you're an armature/hobbyist it's hard to justify the cost of sony glass but then you probably shouldn't be buying an FE body anyway. All that said, I'm not sure how much of this is applicable on the a72 but interestingly all the things you mentioned were things they've changed on the a73- the C-AF is godlike, the native battery lasts a million years (though costs a fucking ton too), etc

/shill

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Anonymous Thu 15 Nov 2018 17:46:32 No.3391834 Report

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>>3391828
>it's good for video.
Wut? That's actually wrong. I guess it's somewhat good for some streaming and that stationary nonsense, but for proper faux cine lenses, the system is shit. Nothing or super overpriced, noting in between. It's to canon with magic lantern, and panasonic where everyone goes.

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Anonymous Thu 15 Nov 2018 17:59:34 No.3391840 Report

Quoted By: >>3391847

>>3391828
>they’re also some of the best modern lenses you can get
While this is true, the better image quality isn’t something you’d actually notice in real photography (ie, unless you’re shooting test charts). Like, I can get a used Canon 28-70/2.8L for $620, but a used Sony 24-70/2.8 is over $2K. The Sony might be a little sharper, but I could use that $1400 to also buy a canon 50/1.4, 85/1.8, and 17-40/4L and still have enough left over for an older model telezoom.

>incredibly fast AF
The Sony $200+ 50/1.8 can’t hold a candle to Canon’s 50/1.8 in terms of AF speed. I haven’t been able to test any of Sony’s other full frame lenses because I can’t afford any right now.

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Anonymous Thu 15 Nov 2018 18:18:35 No.3391845 Report

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>>3391793
Does it have to be new?

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Anonymous Thu 15 Nov 2018 18:20:41 No.3391847 Report

Quoted By: >>3391854

>>3391840
>the better image quality isn’t something you’d actually notice in real photography
I couldn't say but I'll defer to your knowledge comparing against canon. The reason people I know or have seen buy Sony glass cite tends to actually be AF so I'm surprised to see you mention it next. I do use the Sony 50 1.8 and agree the AF speed on it is nothing short of a joke, but a $200 lens doesn't qualify as expensive

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Anonymous Thu 15 Nov 2018 18:22:38 No.3391850 Report

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>>3391592
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Nikon-D810-FX-format-36-3MP-Digital-SLR-Camera-Body-Brand-New/321836625277?hash=item4aeef52d7d:g:rxEAAOSwHmhV8usX:rk:1:pf:0

Seems legit to me.

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Anonymous Thu 15 Nov 2018 18:29:07 No.3391854 Report

Quoted By: >>3391921

>>3391847
>but a $200 lens doesn't qualify as expensive
Not in the grand scheme of things, but it’s on the high end for something as bog-standard as a nifty fifty (not counting outliers like the Zeiss 55/1.8). Canon’s costs around $100, and you can get a Yongnuo in EF or F mount for fifty bucks.

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Anonymous Thu 15 Nov 2018 19:28:14 No.3391906 Report

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>>3389843
>a6000 getting buttfucked by its kit lens

seems about right

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Anonymous Thu 15 Nov 2018 20:07:34 No.3391917 Report

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>>3389905
Bodies yes, lenses no.

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Anonymous Thu 15 Nov 2018 20:12:03 No.3391918 Report

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>>3390322
True as this may be the 14-24 is easily one of the most legendary 35mm lenses ever. It achieves prime-like sharpness in many focal lengths and apertures and it's going to be big filling it's shoes. The only thing plaguing it - as someone who owns it - is that it flares like mad, and getting filters on it is not simple or cheap.

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Anonymous Thu 15 Nov 2018 20:15:17 No.3391919 Report

Quoted By: >>3391927 >>3391977

>refurb Nikon A900 for $167
I don't own a camera and I'm looking for something cheap to mess around with and take better pictures than my phone while being convenient to carry around. Is this a good deal?

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Anonymous Thu 15 Nov 2018 20:18:46 No.3391921 Report

Quoted By: >>3391932

>>3391854
Nikon's 50mm 1.8 G also costs 200€ and the rest of their fullframe glass is expensive af as well. Eg the 24-70 2.8 on amazon: Nikon 2.400$, Sony 2.100$. Some time ago I compared other FF lenses and prices were more or less even. FF is expensive, not Sony.

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Anonymous Thu 15 Nov 2018 20:26:49 No.3391927 Report

Quoted By: >>3391929

>>3391919
>sensor size: 1/2.3”
This won’t take pictures *that* much better than your phone. Depending in your phone, it might even be a little worse.

I can give a suggestion for something with much better image quality but you’ll have to compromise on either size or price and you’ll lose the zoom range—the zoom range is something you’re just not going to find on a better camera without a big bag of expensive lenses since it’s hard to make long zooms like that that cover a larger sensor.

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Anonymous Thu 15 Nov 2018 20:31:25 No.3391929 Report

Quoted By: >>3391942

>>3391927
The zoom range seemed pretty beastly for what is was so I guess I wouldn't mind compromising on it. I'd really rather not compromise on the portability though especially because it would make it more difficult to carry around while I do stupid stuff like climb on boulders on the coast during rough seas. I guess I'll spend more if you don't mind recommending something.

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Anonymous Thu 15 Nov 2018 20:41:49 No.3391932 Report

Quoted By: >>3391950

>>3391921
My point isn’t really “Sony lenses are overpriced”, it’s “There are not options for cheap Sony lenses like there are with older brands”, which is a subtle but important distinction.

Ie, instead of nikon’s $200 50/1.8 G, you can buy the 50/1.8D for under a hundred bucks used. Granted, that won’t AF on Nikon’s lower end bodies, but it’s an option if you get anything higher than a d5x00.

So yeah, the Nikon latest 24-70/2.8 is more expensive than the Sony... but you can get a Tamron 28-75/2.8 for $159 used, or the old Nikon 35-70/2.8 for $250, or the older non-VR Nikon 24-70/2.8 for about $1000. They all fill about the same niche but you can save a shit-ton of money if you compromise a little bit on quality or age or zoom length or whatever. With Sony, your only option is the brand new best of the best. They just recently came out with a version of the tamron 28-70 for E mount, but it’s new so it’s still $800 vs $160 for an old Nikon mount copy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Nov 2018 21:05:31 No.3391942 Report

Quoted By:

>>3391929
Keh.com has some older model Sony mirrorless cameras for relatively cheap. NEX-C3 or NEX-5N are around a hundred and will give you much better image quality than that Nikon. For a lens, You can get the 16-50 for portability+small zoom + low price or the sigma 30/2.8 for a little better quality (but no zoom at all) or the Zeiss 32/1.8 for much better quality at the expense of size and price.

Camerasize.com is a good resource for checking out the relative sizes of cameras.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Nov 2018 21:24:43 No.3391950 Report

Quoted By: >>3392006

>>3391932
I get your point but it only applies if you want to stick with DSLR. Mirrorless, be it Sony, Nikon, Canon, they all have a new mount. From those three Sony, being the longest in the game, has the most lenses available and at least the most lenses on the used market.
Its less of a comparison Nikon vs. Sony but DSLR vs current state of MILC.

If you can life with slower and not always accurate AF you can use AF adapters and get native-DSLR lenses or from other mounts like EF on NEX.
Or go crazy with the Techart Pro.

If you dont care about AF at all you can always adapt nearly every manual lens out there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Nov 2018 22:47:08 No.3391977 Report

Quoted By: >>3391983

>>3391919
If you want compact look into Fuji XF1, XQ series, or an X10. Their 2/3” sensors are pretty nice.

You could also get an old SLR like a D70, maybe even a D200 with a kit lens for that kind of money.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Nov 2018 23:02:15 No.3391983 Report

Quoted By: >>3392012

>>3391977
wouldn't a powershot or cybershot with a 1" sensor be a better option?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Nov 2018 23:13:24 No.3391986 Report

Quoted By:

>>3391634
Yeah, i'm leaning more towards grey market, but amazon also has no tax.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Nov 2018 23:55:33 No.3392005 Report

Quoted By: >>3392017

The fuck is gray market?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Nov 2018 00:00:59 No.3392006 Report

Quoted By: >>3392017

>>3391950
Oh, for sure. I was only talking about Sony because the guy was contemplating a switch from canon to an A7 II. I just dropped $150 on a used shitty kit zoom for my Fuji that would’ve been $30 if I needed one for my Canon, so I’m definitely not saying this is a uniquely Sony issue.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Nov 2018 00:07:36 No.3392007 Report

Quoted By: >>3395640

>>3391741
I don't think so, but I'll keep an eye out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Nov 2018 00:11:14 No.3392012 Report

Quoted By:

>>3391983
It's possible, but the Fujis put out great jpegs. I'm never buying compact Canon again because they always die unexpectedly of lens errors. With Sony unless you spend enough for a modern RX it's not going to be very pleasant to use. Some of that could be personal preference but I always found them to have terrible ergonomics and UI.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Nov 2018 00:28:37 No.3392017 Report

Quoted By:

>>3392005
>grey market
or "grey import" or "parallel import"

https://www.sony.co.uk/electronics/support/articles/00190139
https://www.nikonimgsupport.com/eu/BV_article?articleNo=000004838&configured=1&lang=en_GB
https://www.canon.ie/greymarket/

Its basicly unofficial imports from countries where the item is cheaper, avoiding taxes and thus having a lower price. Sony a7rII eg is 1.375€ on ebay. Chinese seller, shipped from ireland.

>>3392006
ah well, missed that. Yes, its definetly more expensive but for me, personally, the small formfactor and evf of milc is totally worth the upcost. I have more fun shooting with it and its so more convenient to take this litle camera (a7ii) with me, compared to my DSLR before.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Nov 2018 01:13:40 No.3392030 Report

Quoted By:

Canon has some good deals on their refurb cameras, but i don't think they intend for bfriday.
Sigma has bfriday deals for their lenses though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Nov 2018 01:13:41 No.3392031 Report

Quoted By: >>3392058 >>3392262

For the Sony shooters, $100 off the Sigma MC-11

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1234034-REG/sigma_89e965_mc_11_mount_adapter_for.html

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Nov 2018 02:54:51 No.3392058 Report

Quoted By: >>3392071

>>3392031
Oh shit, bought. Thanks, Anon. I was legitimately considering paying full retail for one of those a week ago.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Nov 2018 04:02:53 No.3392071 Report

Quoted By:

>>3392058
Me too. I'm sure it's been this price before, but I've never seen it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Nov 2018 11:12:03 No.3392262 Report

Quoted By:

>>3392031
some marketplace dealers on amazon.com have the same price right now.
You muricans are damn lucky with adorama and bhp being major players, offering good deals all the time. Where I life its mostly amazon or overpriced camera shops.
Searching trough hundreds of chinese knock offs and filtering whats good and whats not is no fun. I imagine this being better with own (rebrands) lables like Flashpoint or Glow.

Yes, I'm jelly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Nov 2018 15:38:18 No.3392333 Report

Quoted By: >>3392675

>>3389843
keh.com is doing their pre-black-Friday sale. 25% off featured gear (mostly shitty stuff, but a few gems on the high end like the Nikon df) and 15% off everything else. Offer code PBF11E. Today only.

I just bought a Nikon D700 because I’m ~criminally irresponsible with my money~

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Nov 2018 12:01:58 No.3392672 Report

Quoted By: >>3395503

>>3389895
There are some sites in the NL and Belgium that offer really cheap shit but they are grey imports from Hong Kong or whatever. Should I risk it or is it like throwing my money in the trashcan?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Nov 2018 12:20:15 No.3392675 Report

Quoted By: >>3392687

>>3392333
Would it be wise to order one when I live in Belgium?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Nov 2018 13:11:58 No.3392687 Report

Quoted By:

>>3392675
I’ve never lived in Belgium so can’t speak to the wisdom of it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Nov 2018 16:24:22 No.3392742 Report

Quoted By:

instax mini 7 plus a ten pack of film for 50 mericas https://www.walmart.com/ip/Fujifilm-Instax-Mini-7S-Instant-Camera-with-10-pack-film-White/

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Nov 2018 14:21:41 No.3393149 Report

Quoted By: >>3394547

Here's one crazy deal: 500 off on gh85 with TWO lenses. Basically you can buy the cam, wait a bit and sell the lenses for 500...

>https://www.amazon.com/PANASONIC-12-32mm-45-150mm-Stabilization-DMC-GX85WK/dp/B079VDF7ZG/ref=sr_1_8?s=photo&ie=UTF8&qid=1542550555&sr=1-8&refinements=p_89%3APanasonic

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Nov 2018 15:05:09 No.3393167 Report

Quoted By:

Where do you think the cheapest d810 body will be and realistically how cheap should it be?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Nov 2018 05:19:18 No.3394075 Report

Quoted By: >>3394497

Anyone spy any good deals on some wide/ultra-wide zooms? A whopping $1-200 dollars off of a $1500 lens is retarded and Nikon can fuck themselves for calling that a deal

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Nov 2018 02:42:24 No.3394497 Report

Quoted By: >>3396074

>>3394075
Legit thinking about buying the Canon t6 bundle. For 400 the shitty kit lens at least goes down to 18mm as opposed to the 35 dx prime I've got in my d5100

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Nov 2018 06:25:00 No.3394545 Report

Quoted By:

>>3390758
damn, already sold out

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 21 Nov 2018 07:12:47 No.3394547 Report

Quoted By: >>3394703

I'm budgeting for a decent upgrade from my old T2i, and don't have a ton of cash to spring within the timeframe that I need it for. I'm looking for anything <$500, with a deal as low as possible preferable (so I can put that money towards something like a Zoom/Tascam). So far I've come up with a few lists including the Panasonic GX85 or even one of the Canon G7S's if I have to go that low, but I'd love to get a Sony if the price is right. Do you think deals on B&H/Amazon such as >>3393149 are the lowest these retailers go for, or should I wait for actual Black Friday/Cyber Monday for the best price?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Nov 2018 15:10:43 No.3394688 Report

Quoted By:

Lens Rentals does its Black Friday sales through Lens Authority: https://www.lensauthority.com.

Not many deals right now, but everything is 10% off using code LABF18.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Nov 2018 15:42:30 No.3394703 Report

Quoted By: >>3394819

>>3394547
No idea, but that's quality deal. I paid 800 for similar pack a year ago. I'd sell sell 45-100 for a hundred and buy used olympus 45-100 for fifty. Better lens, and you don't really need stabilization on lens since cam has ibis. You'll eventually need some fast prime, but you could live with 12-32 for a while and figure what focal length suits you best.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Nov 2018 19:49:06 No.3394819 Report

Quoted By: >>3394826

>>3394703
You're talking about this lens, right? https://www.amazon.com/Olympus-40-150mm-F4-0-5-6-Black-Cameras/dp/B0066J6EOU

I sprung for the GX85 with both lenses used for about $420 (the weed number) and don't know if the Pan's lens IS would be worth keeping, since I'd use it for video mainly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Nov 2018 20:06:46 No.3394826 Report

Quoted By:

>>3394819
If you don't need it just don't bother. It gives you 50 on the side for filter, but isn't hugely superior.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Nov 2018 20:49:22 No.3394846 Report

Quoted By: >>3394849

https://slickdeals.net/f/12308572-sony-alpha-a7ii-camera-w-28-70mm-bundle-ebay-15-off-898
https://slickdeals.net/f/12304114-canon-eos-6d-mark-ii-dslr-body-bg-e21-grip-pro-100-printer-940-after-350-rebate-more-free-s-h
should I sell my d7100 and lenses for one of these? the canons more tempting to me as it actually has battery life

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Nov 2018 21:07:55 No.3394849 Report

Quoted By: >>3394855

>>3394846
You should question yourself if you have two grand extra to spend on lenses. You'll get nothing from this kind of bodies without quality glass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Nov 2018 21:14:53 No.3394855 Report

Quoted By:

>>3394849
im just a casual ive never spent 2k on an entire kit

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Nov 2018 21:55:03 No.3394872 Report

Quoted By:

Borrow lenses has used rx100 mk 4 for under 450$

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Nov 2018 07:43:26 No.3395034 Report

Quoted By:

I bought a7ii for 1k with the deal, now they're selling body only for $900. Would the base lens be worth $100? I think I'd get the tamron instead

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Nov 2018 09:55:16 No.3395060 Report

Quoted By: >>3395291

>>3389895
This.
Been waiting for fujifilm xt100 or xt20 bodies to come down in price. Was “$100 off” all of last month. And now they’re being touted around as the special Black Friday prices.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Nov 2018 11:37:59 No.3395078 Report

Quoted By:

Leicarumors has a long list of deals:
https://leicarumors.com/2018/11/21/black-friday-photography-deals.aspx/

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Nov 2018 14:09:45 No.3395113 Report

Quoted By:

>>3389843
An a7 with the kit lens or a a6300 and some cheap objective for about the same price, 800. Which to choose?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Nov 2018 15:44:31 No.3395147 Report

Quoted By: >>3395299

>>3389905
Shutters and electronics have a limited lifespan. No way to know that the used camera you buy is going to work just for a year and the suddenly fail.

Lenses are a different story

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Nov 2018 17:54:59 No.3395209 Report

Quoted By:

Here is PetaPixel's list of Black Friday deals
https://petapixel.com/2018/11/21/the-best-black-friday-deals-of-2018-for-photographers/

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Nov 2018 20:45:03 No.3395291 Report

Quoted By:

>>3395060
yeah, i haven't found shit other than deals that have been around forever.
I saw a gx85 with both lenses for $400 on some website, and the canon m50 for $600 with 15-45mm lense and a bag on canons webiste, but so far the deals look dissapointing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Nov 2018 21:19:35 No.3395296 Report

Quoted By:

>>3389954
Anon I've literally been searching for the same lens all week, I haven't found anything good

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Nov 2018 21:28:05 No.3395299 Report

Quoted By:

>>3395147
>Lenses are a different story
Not really. Unless it's fully manual it's got at least focusing done with electronics. Most of the time aperture as well. Can't be bothered to check, but I think that even lenses that have aperture ring on the lenses, are still just sending aperture info digitally to the camera.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Nov 2018 21:44:54 No.3395305 Report

Quoted By:

right now
Amazon.es has the Sony a7ii with 28-70 for 998€ Amazon.de the FE 50 1.8 for 159€

Fuck, I can only pay with credit card i dont have or spanish gift cards on amazon.es.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Nov 2018 21:55:03 No.3395308 Report

Quoted By:

>>3389843
lolimpus lenses are seeing healthy drop:
https://www.amazon.com/s/s/ref=as_li_ss_tl?fst=as:off&rh=n:172282,n:!493964,n:502394,p_89:Olympus&bbn=502394&ie=UTF8&qid=1542122280&linkCode=sl2&tag=43rum-20&linkId=a3eb4e2c6c5f25eb8cbb571f30f967de&language=en_US
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/find/promoPage.jsp?P=1%2C0%2C0%2C0%2C350%7C1%2C0%2C0%2C485%2C0%2C0%2C0%2C0%2C&permalinkForward=Y&B=57%2C19&F=0&ci=16677&N=
Few other pages as well.

Looking at it. 60mm macro for 300 is a good deal. And all f/1.8 primes are very tempting (25mm, 45mm, 17mm). Amazon's also with 12-40mm f2.8 for 500. Will probably skip on everything. Was quietly hoping to get something substantial on 12mm f/2, but i'd rather buy one of the pro wide zooms for that kind of cash.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Nov 2018 22:24:07 No.3395318 Report

Quoted By:

>>3390441
Depends on what Pentax it is and what lenses it comes with. But even assuming these were two kits and a modern camera, it's not bad.

Also, lenses, you usually add -es, if word ends with s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_plurals

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Nov 2018 23:03:42 No.3395329 Report

Quoted By:

Can someone find me a mint Pentax K-1? Don't want a Mark II since I'm trying to keep it at around a grand.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Nov 2018 03:16:01 No.3395404 Report

Quoted By:

>tfw no wide or ultra wide zooms at a steep discount

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Nov 2018 03:41:51 No.3395409 Report

Quoted By:

https://slickdeals.net/f/12324196-nikon-d7500-4k-dslr-camera-18-55mm-70-300mm-dual-vr-lenses-case-refurb-900-free-s-h

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 23 Nov 2018 05:38:09 No.3395432 Report

Quoted By: >>3395436 >>3395790

>be me
>bought Canon EOS 200D camera body for 550 bucks 1 week ago
>black friday sale has the camera body + canon 50mm prime lens for 440 bucks

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Nov 2018 06:00:45 No.3395436 Report

Quoted By:

>>3395432
^just

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 23 Nov 2018 09:17:37 No.3395463 Report

Quoted By: >>3396439

Brit bongs post deals for other bongs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Nov 2018 09:51:23 No.3395464 Report

Quoted By:

I have found my cheapest deals and now I have to decide on a camera.

$1100 D750 (Nikon Refurbished) or a Demo-quality Pentax K-1 for $1010.

I don't know what to do, bros.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 23 Nov 2018 10:54:39 No.3395474 Report

Quoted By: >>3395554

>>3389843
Boys, I've wanted a DSLR camera for literally years now and I finally have the money to pull the trigger on it, it's hard to resist, but I'm obviously not an expert so I would like some advice.

My eyes are set on a Nikon D3400, and my options are either a 18-105 VR lense, or an AF-P 18-55 VR and a AF-P 70-300 VR.
The latter would cost slightly more, but I figure it would most probably allow me to do more stuff, but I'm not sure whether the 70-300VR objective is actually necessary.

What do you think? Any advice is very welcome..

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Nov 2018 11:05:31 No.3395477 Report

Quoted By:

>>3389843

There's a BF deal on Rajala Camera in Finland for a Canon 6D + EF 50mm 1.4 USM.

Normally here for 1936€, now for just 1090€

Cop or nah?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Nov 2018 11:31:53 No.3395484 Report

Quoted By: >>3395490 >>3395499

To Brits, is it just me or are we better off importing from the States? Seems to be much cheaper on the whole

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Nov 2018 11:45:54 No.3395490 Report

Quoted By: >>3395494

>>3395484
It is a lottery, your order might get passed customs without having to cutoms charges and other times it won't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Nov 2018 12:05:02 No.3395494 Report

Quoted By: >>3395495

>>3395490

Say I order a camera through amazon, am I going to get fucked with VAT additions or will it not be too bad?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Nov 2018 12:06:20 No.3395495 Report

Quoted By:

>>3395494
You will have to pay tax if ordering through Amazon.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 23 Nov 2018 12:06:25 No.3395496 Report

Quoted By: >>3395497

Did I do good /p/?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Nov 2018 12:07:31 No.3395497 Report

Quoted By: >>3395500

>>3395496
>750D
>$1199
Wat

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Nov 2018 12:26:09 No.3395499 Report

Quoted By:

>>3395484
Protip:
Order from amazon.de, I have yet to find anything that isn't more expensive on amazon.co.uk than on amazon.de.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Nov 2018 12:28:35 No.3395500 Report

Quoted By: >>3395501

>>3395497
Good or bad?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Nov 2018 12:31:11 No.3395501 Report

Quoted By: >>3395502

>>3395500
Pretty sure that is normal price.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Nov 2018 12:33:02 No.3395502 Report

Quoted By:

>>3395501
I've only seen them in the $1350 levels.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Nov 2018 12:52:37 No.3395503 Report

Quoted By:

>>3392672
NLfag hier, what sites?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 23 Nov 2018 15:17:34 No.3395554 Report

Quoted By:

>>3395474
It depends what you'll be shooting. If you're buying to shoot some birbs and animals jump on it. In general the lenses that you get with it are somewhat sub par than what you buy later, so you won't miss a thing, and you'll be definitely looking to add to your collection as you progress in the hobby.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 23 Nov 2018 16:41:07 No.3395584 Report

Quoted By: >>3395595

Any of you see that INSANE a9 deal on amazon.co.uk where it was 2,800£? Man I wish I had that money floating free and not bound up in other shit, biggest regret of 2018

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Nov 2018 17:12:12 No.3395595 Report

Quoted By:

>>3395584
>nice addvertisement, subtle and low key

Anyone got anything on wide gamut monitors? 90% argb at the least.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Nov 2018 19:01:26 No.3395640 Report

Quoted By:

>>3391741
>>3392007
A7i comes out at £509 with kit lens on amazon uk

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Nov 2018 19:19:21 No.3395645 Report

Quoted By: >>3395647

$300 left. Need something in a zoom that can be used for portraits as well for my d750.

Is the original Tamron 28-70 the best I can get at that price? Suggestions?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Nov 2018 19:31:51 No.3395647 Report

Quoted By: >>3395652

>>3395645
>Tamron 28-70
There is none, as far as I know. Do you mean the 24-70mm (VC) or the 28-75mm?
For portraits, 50 or 85mm.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Nov 2018 19:38:25 No.3395652 Report

Quoted By:

>>3395647
Sorry, meant the 24-70mm VC. They're all over ebay in that price range.

I'm also looking at an old 80-200 f2.8, which can also be had around the same. Or even a 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6G ED.

I have an old f4 20mm ai-s for landscape, a 35mm ai-s for walking around, and I need something for portraits and longer work. Really leaning toward the 70-300 to be honest.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Nov 2018 20:19:08 No.3395666 Report

Quoted By:

X-Rite passport for $52
X-Rite monitor calibrator $135 (though if you don't have a good monitor to begin with, don't bother)

https://slickdeals.net/f/12333712-x-rite-digital-colorchecker-passport-51-x-rite-i1display-pro-color-calibrator-136-free-s-h?src=frontpage

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 00:30:48 No.3395790 Report

Quoted By:

>>3395432
bro go back and get a price adjustment.
stores do that, unless you bought it grey market.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 04:26:20 No.3395857 Report

Quoted By:

has any bought grey market from 6th ave express (i assume it's 6th ave electronics ebay amazon and rakuten brand)?
They have a Canon EOS M50 for $480, and the warranty US version is $600 atm.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 12:43:59 No.3395940 Report

Quoted By: >>3396069

Has anyone bought from eglobal before? It’s a grey market site from what I can see and it has extremely mixed reviews. I wanna buy from there but I’m scared I’ll lose my money

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 18:52:38 No.3396069 Report

Quoted By:

>>3395940
>coupon for m43 stuff
https://www.keh.com/shop/micro-four-thirds.html

>BLFR11E
Same kind of code for leica stuff also on keh.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 19:22:42 No.3396074 Report

Quoted By: >>3396336

>>3394497
I need more input on this camera as well. I have a hand me down OM77/ OM707AF by olympus with a 35-70mm lens. it has the classic busted battery door and I have never used it. It would be cool to pick up a camera that could take this lens, but I have no idea what camera and what adapter. I picked up a t6 bundle with the 2 lenses for $400 plus $120 back in store credit. I've read that the t6 is skimpy compared to other cameras. I'm tempted to sell it and put the money into a better system. I dont know what to spend the store credit on, but I'll be damned if i return it and lose that sweet sweet Kohl's cash.

supposedly a sony e body can take a plethora of lenses
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE9p-4gUQPs

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 20:41:23 No.3396099 Report

Quoted By:

Are there any decent deals on tripods?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 25 Nov 2018 05:20:29 No.3396336 Report

Quoted By: >>3396343

>>3396074
I have a T6, and I like it.

This picture was ran through Lightroom to resize, and that's it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Nov 2018 05:35:09 No.3396343 Report

Quoted By: >>3396348 >>3396360

>>3396336
wow amazing such art.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Nov 2018 05:43:24 No.3396348 Report

Quoted By:

>>3396343
My bad mate. Next time, I'll take a picture of a leaf in a puddle, and add some inspo text for you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Nov 2018 06:18:11 No.3396360 Report

Quoted By:

>>3396343
photography aint art kid

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Nov 2018 06:26:35 No.3396361 Report

Quoted By: >>3396367

Can I really just buy an old-as-fuck used DSLR or digital mirrorless for less than $100 and then buy spendier lenses?

How does a "good lens" somehow make the sensor better? What the fuck does a good lens do?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Nov 2018 06:44:33 No.3396367 Report

Quoted By: >>3396373 >>3396475

>>3396361
>Can I really just buy an old-as-fuck used DSLR or digital mirrorless for less than $100 and then buy spendier lenses?
Yes. Or even buy an old-as-fuck DSLR or digital mirrorless for less than $100 and then buy relatively cheap lenses too.

> How does a "good lens" somehow make the sensor better?
It doesn't. However, a big secret that the camera industry desperately hopes you won't learn is: Sensors have been good enough for quite a while now, and they really only make small, incremental upgrades to them. They want you to believe that this year's Rebel or D3x00 blows away last year's and that last year's was hot pixellated garbage. In fact, you'd be hard pressed to notice a difference in real image quality between a Rebel XTi ca. 2006 and the latest greatest T6i, or 7D Mark II, or Nikon D7500, or Sony A6500, etc, at least at matching ISOs (one legitimate advancement being that the newer cameras can go up to much higher ISO values).

What a better lens does is it projects a better image on that sensor, in terms of sharpness, resolution, lack of optical defects, etc. That's something that can have a noticeable difference in your actual image quality. So a high quality lens on a shitty camera from a decade ago will often produce a better-quality image than a shitty lens from a decade ago on the latest-and-greatest sensor available.

That being said, one of the optically-best lenses you can get is a 50mm f/1.8 just because that optical formula is so crazy simple and well-understood after a century of making 50/1.8s. So you don't really need massively expensive glass either. Just stay away from shitty film-era kit lenses if you want good optical quality.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Nov 2018 07:14:56 No.3396373 Report

Quoted By: >>3396468

>>3396367
Are you saying that most models around 2006 are just as good in quality, and that if I really want to go cheapest, I'd buy one in that era (06-08) for absolute bottom prices comparatively?

One thing I'm curious about is low-light/astrophotography/shooting-in-a-dark-room, since I like to really take photos with drastic differences in lightness. Have the improvements in the camera's ability to take a range of ISO values (100-a gazillion versus old style 100-25000) directly correlate to a sensor's capability to see low-light without massive noise issues?

I'm really fucking obsessed with taking photos that have absolute sharpness/crispness in them. Am I never going to get that with zoom lenses, or is that why some zoom lenses are really fucking expensive? What do they do better that leads to better resolution (I use this term meaning "ability to resolve fine detail" or "not blurry," since I'm fucking retarded and see it used in multiple ways).

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Anonymous Sun 25 Nov 2018 12:28:35 No.3396439 Report

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>>3395463
No deals for us. Our country a shit. Only Theresa May's shitty deal.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Nov 2018 13:44:53 No.3396468 Report

Quoted By: >>3396492 >>3396544

>>3396373
Took this a while ago for sharpness question someone was having. First one is prime zoom kit lens. The other one is 25mm prime. Mid tier price range lens for m43. It's same location. same light, both are using same aperture, and same focal distance.
You're making some very complex questions. Answers aren't straightforward and will depend from system to system a lot. Even from lens to lens. Modern telephoto zoom lenses tend to be very good compared to old telephoto lenses. Technology advancements in coatings show here the most. Modern primes not as much, but there are exceptions everywhere. You have modern primes that are sharp as hell, but offer lousy bokeh. Old primes that are fantastic overall lenses, but flare like crazy. Modern zooms that have fantastic bokeh, but are not sharp. There are endless possibilities. Once you know what you're looking for you will be able to decide on your own.
Iso is different story. For best images, you're always shooting at lowest iso. Even for night, low light photography. You shoot lowest iso, use tripod, then extend shutter time. You go for higher isos when you aren't as interested in best quality. Top end stuff is always shot at base iso. Cams are in fact optimized for that base iso. There are extremely rare cases where a cam will have two base isos. gh5s is in fact only one that I know, and it's niche camera designed for video. Everything else are extension isos.
It appears to me you've read a lot on the stuff, but are quite ignorant on how it all comes together. I'd advise you on buying some very cheap option first. Some used dslr or mirrorless kit, then spend half a year on it. You'll invest little in system, so you'll easily be able to drop it and move to something else when you figure more precisely what to expect from other options. Sales like this aren't doing much for prices. You won't find a killer deal. Prices drop all the time, and you can get quality used gear for fairly cheap.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Nov 2018 14:00:36 No.3396475 Report

Quoted By: >>3396544

>>3396367
>you'd be hard pressed to notice a difference in real image quality between a Rebel XTi ca. 2006 and the latest greatest T6i, or 7D Mark II, or Nikon D7500, or Sony A6500, etc,
Observably false. The newer processing power in the newer bodies means that those higher ISOs are actually usable as well. A T2i will have significantly more noise than a T7i at all ISO levels.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Nov 2018 14:44:09 No.3396492 Report

Quoted By: >>3396686

>>3396468
Faggot, I can tell those are different lenses, but I can also tell when unsharp mask has been used.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Nov 2018 15:23:48 No.3396500 Report

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>>3390298
>my stupid parents
fucking kys kiddo

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Anonymous Sun 25 Nov 2018 17:12:57 No.3396544 Report

Quoted By: >>3396550 >>3396686

>>3396475
Can we get some photo comparisons? This is also another obsession of mine. I want to take photos where the color of a wall in the background stays the same for the entire distance, but I always fuck that up--even on low ISO, it seems--and I can't figure out what else I'm doing wrong.

Another question I've got in mind (if >>3396468
is paying attention to (You)s):
Is there any nuance to buying a high-end/"professional" camera from pre-'10 versus buying a base-level camera from today? What were the big boy features like before, and how are they now?

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Anonymous Sun 25 Nov 2018 17:20:22 No.3396548 Report

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>>3390434
>>3390445
Can't wait till this retard replied to you with "haha I was merely pretending xD"

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Anonymous Sun 25 Nov 2018 17:23:11 No.3396550 Report

Quoted By: >>3396556 >>3396557 >>3396689

>>3396544
For comparisons just go to 500px and search for the camera models you're interested in. Then realize that the people who spend more on a camera are likely to care more about the craft so there's going to be a skill gap. THEN realize you should only be comparing image quality. Then you'll realize the body makes literally no difference for any modern DSLR in terms of raw image quality if you can control the situation through lighting, tripod for long shutter-speed, etc. An older pro body will produce worse results than a modern entry-level body because of the processors used. These processors matter far more for things like noise performance than just the size of the sensor or how many megapickles it has. A rebel T6 for $300 and a 24-70 f/2.8 lens for $1,600 will give you better results than a 5D mkI with an 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 will

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Anonymous Sun 25 Nov 2018 17:36:54 No.3396556 Report

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>>3396550
Can I just save as RAW in older photos and then post-process them to reduce noise, or does the camera have some knowledge it doesn't impart to the RAW file that is used in noise suppression?

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Anonymous Sun 25 Nov 2018 17:38:40 No.3396557 Report

Quoted By: >>3396564

>>3396550
one should not forget that modern sensors have a much higher dynamic range, making shadow recovery much better and often HDR bracketing obsolet.
Not so important IF you can control the enviroment, like with studio work, but it shows with anything else.
Film has more DR than those earlier sensors but nowadays this gap closed and digital even surpassed it regarding low light.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Nov 2018 17:49:49 No.3396564 Report

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>>3396557
The question becomes "how can I cheat the system and get entry level modern cameras for half price?"
(I have infinite patience)

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Anonymous Sun 25 Nov 2018 21:03:42 No.3396686 Report

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>>3396492
Thank you for your kind words. Please tell me what I'd gain from cheating on something like that? Images are from one of my personal aperture test shot. It's 1:1 center crop on high contrast scene so sharpness differences are more pronounced. I did not use any sharpening on the samples, I left cr and lens corrections on since I was only looking at comparing sharpness.

>>3396544
Proper tests are hard work actually. Slightly missed focus will fuck everything up. When you've everything on sturdy tripod, you'll maybe bump it a little when changing lenses and it'll make a difference. Not only that, even lens dimensions effect samples! With two 50mm lenses, one lens being slightly longer than the other will effect it's field of view from same camera position. Always take any test with a grain of salt. You'd need to take care of too many variables for perfect field comparisons.
Hard to define differences between cameras. I'd say biggest advancements were made in auto focus section. Both in speed and accuracy. Picture resolution, high iso performance and dynamic range also went up considerably. But I'd have to give it to one anon who said that you should not see huge differences in end picture. You'll maybe need to work more on older equipment, but it's entirely possible to duplicate everything. We have indeed reached a ceiling where tech returns are diminishing. It's something manufacturers and gearheads will try to fight, but proofs will always be images from the past.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Nov 2018 21:10:50 No.3396689 Report

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>>3396550
>A rebel T6 for $300 and a 24-70 f/2.8 lens for $1,600 will give you better results than a 5D mkI with an 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 will
I mean, that's certainly true since you can't mount the 18-55 on a 5D. :-P

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Anonymous Mon 26 Nov 2018 04:35:14 No.3396914 Report

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>>3389905
I would never expect to find a used lens in mint condition

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