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Anonymous Tue 27 Nov 2018 19:05:08 No.3397789 View View Reply Original Report

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photographlet here,

How is value created in photography? Why is Rhein II worth $4.3 million, while Unsplash has incredible (and probably better composed) pictures for free?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Nov 2018 19:11:33 No.3397791 Report

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>>3397789
the one you have with you

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Nov 2018 19:16:09 No.3397792 Report

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>>3397789
Like with all art most of the 'value' comes from provenance.
Is the artist famous?
Is the art piece considered significant?
Was it displayed in high status galleries?
Are other pieces of this artist collected by famous collectors?
Was the piece owned by somebody famous?

And above all, it's an investment scheme for rich people as famous art pieces usually keep rising in price. There is probably some tax evasion tactic in there as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Nov 2018 19:17:28 No.3397795 Report

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>>3397789
Charitably, one could say that the market for high end artworks (including photography) is a little bit of a scam.

Uncharitably, it’s definitely 100% a scam.

The reason that photo is worth so much is just because that’s what people have decided to value it as. It’s a way for rich people to move around money and dodge taxes; the monetary value isn’t really related to the artistic quality.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Nov 2018 19:31:14 No.3397799 Report

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You have to do the math

( (your gear price) / (number of photos you took) ) * taxes you're going to pay

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Nov 2018 03:20:47 No.3398619 Report

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>>3397789
>How is value created in photography?

Not speaking about Gursky in specific, but a very basic level, a mounted 73" × 143" color photo print (not ink jet) is going to have significant expense just in the making of that image. The largest I've ever printed was 40"x 40" inkjet and it cost something stupid like $140 from a commercial shop, unmounted. I think the cheapest I could get a 40"x40" print done today is like $50-$60 from my school print shop at cost.

Truly I have no idea how much it would cost, but I highly doubt that you print and mount an image the size of Rhein II for less than several thousand dollars. Probably much more than that since you'd need to custom order photo paper and your substrate (since most sheet material comes in 48"x96" sheets). That's 6' wide photo paper at the narrowest and access to enlargers and developing equipment that can handle paper that size.

Of course that $4.3 mil is the price set by collectors, but generally getting an image for free on Unsplash is way different than getting something physically made.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Nov 2018 06:49:42 No.3398663 Report

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>>3397789
I have no idea, the weather is like that about half the year and not having ships in your way requires you to wait minutes at worst.
Also the motive isn't exactly interesting or special.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 29 Nov 2018 07:14:10 No.3398668 Report

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>>3397789
>Why is Rhein II worth $4.3 million, while Unsplash has incredible
A person could set their PHD thesis around Rhein II
Unsplash is barely disposable Ikea art used to sell $0.50 pressboard frames marked up to $30.00

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Nov 2018 07:26:03 No.3398672 Report

Quoted By: >>3398676

>>3397789
its only worth what someone will pay for it

and by pay for it I mean:
gallery space
advertising
good PR firm got your back, hyping you up

if you get a good combination of all 3, then you can sell a turd nailed to a coffee table and command whatever starting price you want

but then again the art world is basically one giant tax haven

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Nov 2018 07:39:56 No.3398676 Report

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>>3398672
>its only worth what someone will pay for it
sure and a $100 bill costs the same to produce as a $5 bill. value has been completely removed from material value, functionality, and cost

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Nov 2018 07:58:35 No.3398680 Report

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>>3398676
did you read the rest of my post? or did you already get your participation trophy and lose interest?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Nov 2018 08:25:02 No.3398686 Report

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>>3397789
as >>3398619 points out a significant aspect of this image which you miss in digital is its size and print quality (also peripherally the large format perspective). It's not a simple task to produce these kinds of photographs.
Not to say that it isn't overvalued -- Gursky is like any other star artist in this respect. What you are paying for is essentially the fame of the work.
I don't know how you could find fault in the composition of this photo, you might say it's boring but it certainly achieves what it sets out to do

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Nov 2018 09:30:51 No.3398696 Report

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In addition to all of the above: Huge, panel painting like, single images are gold for the art market.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Nov 2018 15:51:03 No.3398801 Report

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>>3397792
+ money laundering

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Nov 2018 19:54:05 No.3398925 Report

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It's twice as good as Rhein I
t. art critic

Seriously, it's about marketing.

Gursky could have sold this to Getty, Alamy, et. al. and make a couple bucks.

He could also have sold it as "limited" edition gyclée prints from his Squarespace website that he's pimping on Facebook and make, well, most likely nothing.

That said, Rhein II and 99 Cent II (I begin to see a pattern here...) are stellar works, the photographs themselves and of course the presentation of the final artwork.

Finally, I don't know how much Gursky was paid, but it's nowhere near 3 mil. He sold the work for a comfortable sum, I'm sure, but after that it's crazy speculation/evasion as has been mentioned before.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Nov 2018 21:04:37 No.3398952 Report

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>>3398925
You're not art critic. This image is shit. He took a snapshit of rein next to a powerplant and photoshoped powerplant out of it. It's got a silly hipster environmental message thanks to it, and he printed it using some high end large scale technique. That part of the work is unique and quite remarkable. All of his prints are high end stuff, and his name is actually legit. He can make a nice shot, at the same time, he can make turds that still sell.

Anonimous

Anonimous Thu 29 Nov 2018 21:13:29 No.3398953 Report

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>>3398952
99 cent ii is pretty fuckin legit tho

rhein ii, garbage.

Pant5uit

Pant5uit Thu 29 Nov 2018 21:37:13 No.3398964 Report

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>OP isnt a gursky girl, in a gursky world

Youll never understand

Anonimous

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Anonimous Thu 29 Nov 2018 21:42:49 No.3398967 Report

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>>3398964

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Anonymous Fri 30 Nov 2018 13:12:58 No.3399312 Report

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>>3398953
Oh, agreed. 99cent it brilliant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Nov 2018 13:29:31 No.3399323 Report

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>>3397792
>>3398801
Pretty sure it's like
>rich famous person A has an illegal gig
>rich famous person B is a customer
>A sells shitty modern art painting to B for $99999999999 trillion
>transaction is now legitimate

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Nov 2018 13:40:22 No.3399327 Report

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>>3397789
All art above 50,000$ is pretty much just a way to launder money.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Nov 2018 17:18:04 No.3399426 Report

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>>3399327
Depends, achitecture and large sculptures can actualy be worth much more than 50,000$.
However I agree for most pictures.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Nov 2018 17:22:46 No.3399430 Report

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>>3397789
firstly, because Peter Lik shoots with Phase One cameras and can thus produce really large prints

Secondly, because he is a people person and not some socially retarded manlet.

making money with photography is all about hustling and being good with people

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Nov 2018 17:24:39 No.3399432 Report

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>>3399430
don't brink lik into this please, he's an actual scam artist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Nov 2018 17:28:18 No.3399434 Report

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I'm surprised people in here are aware of the laundery aspect. Based /p/ for once.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Nov 2018 17:29:15 No.3399435 Report

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>>3399430
wait, were you under the impression that the OP image is a lik?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Nov 2018 17:29:22 No.3399436 Report

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>>3397789
>that speck in the middle

fuck these "purist" photographers, just remove that dot with content aware fill or clone stamp tool jesus

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Nov 2018 17:35:43 No.3399438 Report

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>>3399436
He’s not at all a purist. That photo is nothing like what that bank looks like in real life, and he added a shitload of shelves to 99¢

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Nov 2018 18:37:33 No.3399461 Report

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>>3399436
>that speck
>content aware fill
Exaggerate much?

I'll take "what is a spot healing tool" for 200, Alex.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Nov 2018 19:13:31 No.3399484 Report

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>>3397789
If comparing to other photo
It make me feel more alive by looking at it

If you dont believe, just try see some random snap and compared to this one, stare for some second feel your the tense of your muscles (mostly around torso) and report which photo is create stronger tense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Dec 2018 08:45:45 No.3399742 Report

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>>3397789
High art is a front for money laundering

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Dec 2018 08:54:44 No.3399745 Report

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>>3397789
I notice the most photographs are sold after years.
Think about it as a fine wine, if you take your time and you brew a good wine, leave it to the cellar to mature and years later is becomes more tasty.

But make sure the wine is actually wine and not piss.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Dec 2018 15:09:47 No.3399841 Report

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>>3397789
>Unsplash has incredible (and probably better
why tf nobody laugh at this

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Dec 2018 15:21:33 No.3399844 Report

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>>3397789
same with all high end art. money laundering and investments

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Dec 2018 17:45:16 No.3399902 Report

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Cultural significance and investment

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Dec 2018 17:49:28 No.3399906 Report

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>>3397789
its called money laundering

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Dec 2018 17:57:09 No.3399910 Report

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>>3399841
because i don't know what that is

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Dec 2018 19:42:43 No.3399942 Report

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>>3399910
because there's a google and no excuse? it would take you 5 seconds?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Dec 2018 20:27:46 No.3399966 Report

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>>3399942
In the time it took you to tell him that he could google it, you could also just have answered his question.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Dec 2018 20:46:06 No.3399969 Report

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>>3399942
>why won't you google my very funny joke so it makes sense to you??? don't you want to know how clever i am???

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Dec 2018 20:54:13 No.3399972 Report

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>>3399969
i'm not the same person as the original post, lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Dec 2018 21:06:44 No.3399974 Report

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>>3399972
well then it's even weirder that you're telling me i have no excuse not to google what some random person's joke meant lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Dec 2018 21:22:03 No.3399978 Report

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>>3397789
You realize even Chosis sells photos for 1,000 USD + right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Dec 2018 21:36:23 No.3399987 Report

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>>3397789

Do not confuse price and value.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Dec 2018 22:25:12 No.3400007 Report

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>>3399978
do you mean to say that chosis lists prints for comical prices that nobody is actually paying?

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