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Kojima Trailer Analysis

Anonymous Sat 07 Aug 2021 09:41:08 No.3925127 View View Reply Original Report

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Since there's no other place where to talk about this seriously, I'd appreciate if you guys could share your thoughts on the techniques used by Hideo Kojima in the trailers and cutscenes of his videogames. In the last years he seems to have deveolped a taste for the steadicam.

As far as I know he's a a big fan of north american cinema, in fact his most well known saga (Metal Gear) is inspired by Snake from "Escape from New York" and "Escape from L.A.".

>MGSV Ground Zeroes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5Z66_4wM6I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1Ns1Fj138k

>MGSV Red Band trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMyoCr2MnpM

>Death Stranding (many cinematics inside, ignore the gamplay)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KevFGaS298s

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Anonymous Sat 07 Aug 2021 09:44:33 No.3925128 Report

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>>3925127
>let’s discuss gayming
No

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Anonymous Sat 07 Aug 2021 09:51:23 No.3925130 Report

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>>3925128
Is that you, Kubrik?

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Anonymous Sat 07 Aug 2021 09:52:07 No.3925131 Report

Quoted By: >>3925141

>>3925127
Shitty handheld shenanigans in MGS4 i remember.
He's a hack, he's a fan but doesn't study and his writing is a God awful mess.
His only redeeming quality was man management and attention to detail, both made his games have numerous interesting mechanics but he lost it with his ego and countless vacation trips with company money. He betrayed his men when the Konami administration wanted to wipe them out and now he's living from the past.

His techniques are supposedly based on north american cinema yet he still overuses wide angle framing because it captures a lot of context lazily, his out of focus consistency is all over the place with cutscenes having different close ups from character dialogues, some have thin depth of fields while the others have much more without any seeming reason. He also uses highlights similar to what anamorphic lenses render yet the image ratio or composition doesn't suit them, then in another scene the lights will be circular, it's all over the place man.

In Death Stranding he used the meme Iceland aesthetic which isn't anything new yet he bottled it because he didn't play with the usual horizon levels using distorted UWA, also the landscapes get lost near the cities with the haze. In-game dialogues are the usual shoulder side framing while looking up to give the NPC some height thus hierarchy, generic as hell.
He had considerable management talent but squandered thinking it was creative genius, which isn't.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Aug 2021 09:59:24 No.3925134 Report

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>>3925130
>why yes I do adapt the 50 1.4 FD for filming

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Anonymous Sat 07 Aug 2021 10:13:22 No.3925139 Report

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>>3925127
this guy is such an over rated hack. death stranding was a fucking rip off

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Anonymous Sat 07 Aug 2021 10:16:49 No.3925141 Report

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>>3925131
>his writing is a God awful mess.
I can confirm. I don't know if it's something related to japanese narrative, but after Death Stranding I had a similar feeling to when I finished reading "Norwegian Wood".

There's an excuse for MGSV (all the fight with Konami, the game was incomplete, etc), but generally speaking, there's an inconsistency problem. I can go back to "Zone of the Enders: Anubis" and feel the same. He has good ideas, but never explores the 100% if said ideas.

>In-game dialogues are the usual shoulder side framing while looking up to give the NPC some height thus hierarchy, generic as hell.
I mostly agree with you, but then you have nice scenes like the ending of Ground Zeroes. What are some directors who use small spaces like that?

>>3925134
I guess being called "Kubrik" should be considered kind of an insult. Photography innovative, but an overrated bad director who never managed to adapt a book properly.

>>3925139
Not for everybody I guess. But he managed to make an UPS delivery simulator and got away with it.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Aug 2021 10:37:19 No.3925146 Report

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>>3925141
>There's an excuse for MGSV
He spent a collective of 16 months on vacation and didn't answer his team's calls while banging the mute sniper girl in Mexico, that's no team leader.
The game was axed before time because of it, in Death Stranding he spent the budget on the massive concept art phase and on promotion tours (vacations) hence why the gameplay was so "incomplete", it had detailed settings but the gist was a glorified delivery service but instead of a cap he had a metal suit and instead of pizza he delivered cum and abortions.
>something related to japanese narrative
The japenese are detailed yet ambiguous in their narrative descriptions, kinda poetic but very blunt in the actions and consequences, all told shortly.
This is the complete opposite of Kojima who makes their characters and plots perform ambiguous non-sensical actions with precise instructions yet the descriptions of such things are told with personal character politics bluntly without filters yet using prosy allegories and end up sounding like a robot wrote them; this is the same problem George Lucas had in the prequel movies and like a confident of his said "you can write this, it can certainly be interpreted, but actual people never spout such shit in real conversations".
Technical drivel, and all the while it takes a long fucking time to explain it to the player to the point the cutscenes literally take more than the gameplay sections, with some of them going for more than 10 minutes.
I sometimes fight against the "brevity is the soul of wit" phrase but in his case i totally agree man.
>nice scenes like the ending of Ground Zeroes
Which is an asian trademark, UWA focal lengths in confined spaces with lots of kinetic activity, it's a heap of shit that he uses american cinema standards when such technique was a japanese/cantonese thing since the early 80's, americans did use it in the mid-90's due to becoming internationally popular, it appears constantly in 12 Monkeys.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Aug 2021 10:39:07 No.3925148 Report

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>>3925141
>Photography innovative, but an overrated bad director
Someone who made Paths of Glory and The Killing cannot be called a bad director, overrated for sure but anyone would die to have such movies in their portfolio despite not being creative in their eras.
Only a sad person who was force fed mid-era Kubrick would say such things.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Aug 2021 11:14:52 No.3925157 Report

Quoted By: >>3925163

>>3925146
>while banging the mute sniper girl in Mexico
Implying you wouldn't. She was supposed to appear in Death Stranding as well, but was later replaced by Lea Seydoux.

>>3925146
>Which is an asian trademark...
This knowledge is new to me, thank you. I'd appreciate more recommendations.

>>3925148
Touché. Perhaps I should have stopped after "overrated". I've watched "The Shining" recently, it must have been that.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Aug 2021 11:57:21 No.3925163 Report

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>>3925157
>Implying you wouldn't.
I wouldn't, if someone pays me hundreds of thousands of dollars to make a game i would have the decency to be with my dev team checking what they are doing, THEN after finishing i would bang her in a sunny beach.

>I'd appreciate more recommendations.
Sure but i am going to be the bigger asshole and give you heaven's secrets for which i will be punished later in my original imageboard, i have more knowledge in HK cinema so my suggestions will be more oriented to that area.
If you like that saturated, close-up wide angle look that also often uses crooked horizons (the so-called deutsch angle) and tons of character movement then check the works of Tak-Hei Pau "Peter", Ping-Bing Lee "Mark", Wai-Keung Lau "Andrew", Pun-Leung Kwan "Venus", Ngok-Tai Wong "Arthur", Tong-Leung Cheung "Tony" and their western representative face, Christopher Doyle "Dou Lou-Baan".
In Japan its maximum style representative is probably Hideo Yamamoto, with a side mention to Shuji Kuriyama.
It's an extensive list and obviously you won't be able to watch everything in a sitting but check their credits and you will probably find 2 or 3 movies they worked in that you might've heard of; their camera style in the late 80's, the 90's and the very early 00's was copied all the time in the west around the mid-90's until late 00's and it's a big part of the whole hyperkinetic/Y2K action style. Also they didn't exclusively use that style, they were pretty varied, particularly Mark, but nowadays their legacy is that hard-to-pull aesthetic only seen for a few years here in this side of the world.
Movies that take those looks in the US that i remember right now were 12 Monkeys, some Guy Ritchie shit like his Snatch, McG trashy movies, Mystery Men, El Mariachi and tons of music videos although some of them, like those directed by Richard Heslop, are direct contemporary to the asian guys.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Aug 2021 15:22:07 No.3925233 Report

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>>3925127
Well, there's fake cam shake, then there's fake cam shake on a fake virtual camera.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Aug 2021 17:20:48 No.3925250 Report

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>>3925233
Sounds legit.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Aug 2021 18:54:35 No.3925275 Report

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>>3925163
Saved and researching right now. Glad to see that there are still nice people here, fren.

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