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Anyone has a chart depicting sales and market share of camera makers in the film era?

Anonymous Tue 26 Oct 2021 19:32:16 No.3955882 View View Reply Original Report

CIPA website doesn't go that far back, and doesn't have it on a per-camera brand basis. Anyone know of such chart? Looking to see which mounts were the most predominant.

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Anonymous Tue 26 Oct 2021 19:36:52 No.3955883 Report

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imagine being a retro brand loyalist lmao

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Anonymous Tue 26 Oct 2021 19:41:15 No.3955885 Report

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>>3955882
You can find it if you really want to, it takes some work and your own extrapolations between charts, but the gist for 35mm was canikon and the other 30-70% being everyone else. They all had good runs, Pentax murdered the educational market, Olympus was eternal underdog, Minolta took the late stage by being cheaper and having good glass in ugly bodies. Searching product ads for prices tells the real story across feature ranges.

t. read a 40 year backlog of natgeos on the toilet in the 90s.

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Anonymous Tue 26 Oct 2021 19:44:33 No.3955887 Report

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>>3955885
I assumed as much for all of those brands. If you don't mind me asking:

What was the educational market?

Why was Olympus an underdog?

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Anonymous Tue 26 Oct 2021 20:15:44 No.3955894 Report

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>>3955887
Pentax sold the k1000 at or below cost to every single high school or college photography program around the world that they could manage. It is still selling their cameras to this day.

Olympus occupied a more affordable niche and made smaller premium system cameras with fast glass and are essentially still doing what what they did 60 years ago, ignoring the death and sale of the brand. They've held 3rd to 5th spot on the chart most of the time.

Nikon used to rule the roost and the f mount was supreme unless canon offered a better body on the consumer level or when they ditched fd and went to ef mount. Then nikon went to shit and never quite recovered because canon had superior everything, nikon was mount limited at that point. The flipflop in the digital era surprised everyone.

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Anonymous Tue 26 Oct 2021 20:29:16 No.3955904 Report

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>>3955894
yup, basically big camera market shakeups are:

leica m3
Nikon F/F2
ae-1 as best selling camera
downfall of nikon at '92 olympics cuz of eos-1 AF
nikon d600
sony a6000
sony a7

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Anonymous Tue 26 Oct 2021 20:44:28 No.3955906 Report

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>>3955904
I like you, that's all accurate. In the greater market and going back further but not including shitcams like the brownie, it was:

leica iii
Rollei
point and shoots, jap slrs, and the hasselblad killing both of them
Oly trip 35
Mamiya entering pro medium format
more affordable options like minolta
a hard run in the 90s where it's all noise going into the digital era where it's more noise before the 1d or whatever hits the market.

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Anonymous Tue 26 Oct 2021 20:48:45 No.3955910 Report

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I've been trying to figure out exactly which cameras gave GIs the boner. It's multigenerational, I have an AE-1 from whenever those were made bought near an base in the 70s. I want to know what the fuck the japs were selling in the 40s and 50s for cheap to gaijin that they built their entire industry from.

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Anonymous Tue 26 Oct 2021 20:49:33 No.3955911 Report

Quoted By: >>3955915 >>3955917 >>3956283

If anybody finds a factual source PLEASE do share it. (Not doubting what has been said in here, I much agree)

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Anonymous Tue 26 Oct 2021 20:56:57 No.3955915 Report

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>>3955910
Like, a rock bottom knockoff leica you picked some turnips for to aid the rebuild you may or may not have caused, was that the selling point?

>>3955911
I'll pull launch ads from all the named cameras and you can adjust the price for inflation.

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Anonymous Tue 26 Oct 2021 21:00:38 No.3955917 Report

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>>3955911
$250-450 between 1954 and 1964 according to US sellers.

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Anonymous Tue 26 Oct 2021 21:03:48 No.3955919 Report

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>>3955917
Listed. All these prices only increase with inflation.

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Anonymous Tue 26 Oct 2021 21:08:11 No.3955920 Report

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>>3955919
nikkon

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Anonymous Tue 26 Oct 2021 21:10:49 No.3955921 Report

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1964

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Anonymous Tue 26 Oct 2021 21:15:31 No.3955924 Report

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1979

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Anonymous Tue 26 Oct 2021 21:17:43 No.3955927 Report

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launchish price

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Anonymous Tue 26 Oct 2021 21:26:51 No.3955933 Report

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They stop giving prices at some point.

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Anonymous Tue 26 Oct 2021 21:31:35 No.3955938 Report

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>>3955933
Full disclosure: most of these cameras are shit. I see why they were so popular.

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Anonymous Tue 26 Oct 2021 21:42:22 No.3955942 Report

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>>3955938
What's the middle olympus called? Is it an em-1?
Also the big MF one?

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Anonymous Tue 26 Oct 2021 21:51:54 No.3955946 Report

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>>3955942
Omd em10 and an rb67 for size comparison.

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Anonymous Tue 26 Oct 2021 21:57:29 No.3955950 Report

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>>3955946
I wanted landmarks in the shot.

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Anonymous Tue 26 Oct 2021 23:25:09 No.3956016 Report

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Thank you for going out of your way to show these (:

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Anonymous Tue 26 Oct 2021 23:30:18 No.3956020 Report

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>>3956016
Old advertising inoculates you against the newer, more insidious shit.

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Anonymous Wed 27 Oct 2021 17:28:45 No.3956283 Report

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>>3955911
I'll try to find some old forum posts where they attempted the same thing, but the information is really spotty and I have a feeling most of those forums are dead by now. Half of it is anecdotes of sales from literal boomers who worked in camera shops.

We're dancing around the fact that the majority of consumer camera sales were cheap point and shoots of all kinds. TLRs, zeiss folders and knockoffs, brownies, whatever kodak was outsourcing their name to, tons of long dead brands. Japan had little more than cheap leica and rollei knockoffs until Pentax came out with the first japanese SLR. The market wasn't nearly as monolithic as today and didn't begin to resemble its current form until the 80s.

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Anonymous Wed 27 Oct 2021 20:12:06 No.3956349 Report

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It was, for the amateur or less demanding professional, when Japan started producing quality fast glass in miniature bodies for less than European counterparts and switched to internationally understandable names that disguised their origin like Olympus, Nikon, Pentax and Canon that the market as we know it was born. Most of these prices are well under $1000 in today's money, compared to the Rolleiflex 2.8 or Leica M series which ran for ~$1500 or more and the Hasselblad which is closer to 4 grand with backs and lenses.

I don't think it's fair to call it fierce competition. The US had diddly dick and euroland, barring the swedes, had nothing but high price high end technology...from the 30s. So, Japan ran train on the market uncontested from the 60s onward and it's hard to call their lockstep movement into new tech and focus on completely different market segments meaningful competition. Nikon was the first to lay their dick on the table and whip out the ruler, Canon was more about fancy rangefinders and kitchen cameras, Olympus went Nanking on compacts thanks to Maitani, and Pentax did all the exotic shit first and rested on their laurels thereafter, occasionally flexing their girth with radioactive lenses or fully mechanical bodies that were smaller than the OM series and had the largest viewfinder in an SLR. Also that whole kamikaze strike on the educational market that's still keeping them afloat. I think that was in response to selling coffee candy to children because adults didn't like the taste. And japs love coffee like filmfags around the world love the k1000.

Where are we now, the 70s? I'll have to find some new ad copy. Things were stagnating and everyone had moved to some kind of bayonet mount still seen today.

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