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Let me open by saying, images like the one attached to this post irritate my aesthetic sense on an almost mechanical level. The hypersaturated colors, oversharpened textures and unrealness of it all is like gravel against my corneas. But it occurred to me *why* he does this, and it has a lot to do with the early digital culture he got his start in. When Ken was getting his start, the world was firmly entrenched in traditional photography, but the goal wasn't exactly hyper-realism. In the early days of color movies and films, the emphasis was on bright, punchy, unrealistic images. Think Wizard of Oz. If you look at art history, it's the same sort of disconnect. Bierstadt hangs in the halls of Congress, and his works are often cited as inspiration for the existence of national parks. In the early days of digital photography, for the first time, it was possible for digital processing to achieve unreal effects and eye-watering color saturation with a simple workflow. People were used to realistic photographic rendering, and computers achieved a totally new kind of perspective that was incredible in its day. Ken, with his background in technology, was uniquely situated to shape and capitalize on that new aesthetic. Now, of course, we've had decades of HDR and oversaturated digital 'pop' and we're fucking tired of it. But time and again, more unrealistic images tend to attract more attention from the masses. If you have an eyewash station nearby and can handle looking at Ken's work for a bit, there's actually some rigor in it. He's careful to avoid color banding and preserve texture, and there's a kind of artful balance to the beastly slider activity. He definitely can produce a balanced composition. Where do you draw the line with signal processing? Do you only rely on the processing baked into the camera firmware and hardware, or do you adjust in post? Regardless of your opinion there, doing so is, and always will be, aesthetic work and therefore art.
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>>3997567 You're right that slider slinging is subjective and what looks good or bad is up to the viewer, but I think the way you imply the Rockwellian method is "the" digital æsthetic is off the mark. E.g., the photos in
>>3995630 are examples of an extreme digital æsthetic yet don't scream in your face the way Rockwell's photos do. As much as I don't like just calling his work "bad" it's clear that Rockwell gets his look by ham-fisted global adjustments to saturation and sharpness both in post and in-camera BASIC JPG™ settings whereas the pictures in that thread are more akin to a painter lovingly hand-crafting the final image using the RAW as their canvas. Rockwell's decision making seems to exist within a slider that goes from 'overcooked' to 'burnt to a crisp' with no discernable reasoning as to its position picture by picture.
tl;dr Rockwell a shit
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>>3997567 I think he is just trolling people. Like what he is doing with the anal probe company.
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Reminder that he thinks this is a good picture
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I think he has some kind of color blindness. That would explain a lot.
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One thing that really shocked me about Ken Rockwell is his voice. It sounds nothing like what I expected it to.
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Some of his photos are okay but most of the time he seems to be trolling
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>>3997567 >When Ken was getting his start, the world was firmly entrenched in traditional photography, but the goal wasn't exactly hyper-realism. In the early days of color movies and films, the emphasis was on bright, punchy, unrealistic images. The example you posted is over the top even for Velvia 50. Either Ken has a color vision issue or he's trolling us.
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>>3997647 >who needs a camera when your phone can take shots by the moon? >the iPhone 9,001 has the best camera of anything on the market >i drove to FedEx and shipped my heavy mirrorless kit at home after seeing this photo t. Ken
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>>3997688 Laughing my ass off
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I like how he publishes these godawful portraits of his family and they look like fucking dolls made out of play-doh.
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>>3997567 This makes so much sense I'm going to screenshot it, print it out and give it to my students who talk a lot of shit,
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>>3997647 That's a cool painting, almost looks like a photo
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>>3997695 I think this qualifies as art
Just not in the way he intended
Also it's shot on his iPhone
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>>3997722 >*merican """food""" no wonder both of his kids are fat
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>>3997688 Both look unnatural
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>>3997722 Why would anyone need such a huge table?
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>>3997722 Look at the size of those kids! Jesus Christ!
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>>3997722 Am I the only one shocked by the fact they have no glasses?
Only plastic bottles?
Wtf
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>>3997722 That dinner is so depressing
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>>3997661 Tf did you expect him to sound like? He sounds like a nerdy old man whose wife MIGHT fuck him once a year.
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>>3997722 there is always something so revealing about american families, like every person seems to be made out of plastic, especially white blonde women, wtf is that
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>>3998562 How does he achieve such smoothness?
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>>3998559 >1DX in the filename How did he get such a shitty image out of a 18Mp DSLR
I can't believe how smooth this is
>>3998560 This one isn't as shocking as the other dinner picture
It's weird, but almost normal
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>>3998562 This looks like it’s straight out of a Pixar movie
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>>3998584 Athentech® Perfectly Clear®
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>>3997722 >bottled water But why? Is tap water in America so bad they can't drink it?
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>>3997722 fuck that image is funny as hell for some reason
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>>3998591 It's Easter, they got the fancy stuff on the table
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>>3998594 I know, I couldn't stop looking at it I even had to save it to my computer
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>>3997722 How could I support his growing family if they're obviously living in a huge house?
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>>3997661 that's EXACTLY how I expected his voice to sound like
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>>3997937 wdym? There's a pair right there.
Maybe he lives in an area with bad-tasting tap water. It's still weird to see, that they're just drinking straight from the bottle. They could at least buy a large bottle and serve it out.
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>>3997567 It's a belief the color saturation and contrast makes impactful images. They're not entirely wrong. What else explains the predominance of exposing Kodachrome for the highlights, the popularity of Velvia 50, or the look almost every consumer print film adopted towards the end of the film era - all hypersaturated colors and strong contrast. If you wanted "natural" colors you had to shoot "portrait" film.
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>>3998560 Why is gramps the only one who can smile without looking like a hostage posing for the ransom tape?
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>>3997722 Wow those kids are record-scratch, glass-breaking ugly. Jesus fuck, Ken, get them a personal trainer and some plastic surgery, you have the money.
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>>3997722 Afro Americns always complain that they lost all their African culture during the Atlantic voyage but my god, honkies threw theirs over the railing it seems. Ken really is the quintessential American, and his photography style mirrors it. Gaudy, over the top, everything cranked to 11 culturless product for the masses.
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Who is he and why do you even talk about him if his photos are shit
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>>3998699 he's an institution
also search for pretty much any piece of gear or camera, this guy will have a review on it, he's been doing it since the 90s
his reviews aren't the worst ever, but there are such potent nuggets of bullshit in there, it's straight up impressive
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>>3998709 Can you point me to the most potent nugget of bullshit you've found in his reviews?
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>>3998699 The guy is a one man encyclopedia of gear. He's the proto-gearfag. Describes everything out there and with such detail. He'll talk about the difference in rubber feels on focusing rings between model years of the same lens. The most amazing thing about him though is that he's so unapologetically in love with every item he touches. Ken's photography is a reflection of how he sees the world, bright and marvelous with sharp objects and soft people.
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Big fan of Ken Rockwell's photography here
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Based american dream enjoyer.
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>>3997722 this dude shits on china made lenses and cameras?!!
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>>3997567 Good criticism. I like David LaChappelle (pic related). On his use of oversaturated colours he mentioned that starting with B&W film and eventually moving to colour opened his eyes. Doubly so as early film users strived for film that would produce 'accurate' renditions of the scenes.
Is Rockwell a good photographer? Far from it. But he seems like a decent dude with a fair amount of understanding of gear. I rarely buy gear without reading his take on it even if I don't agree with everything he says. The mere fact that many people in the photog community at least know him (for better or worse) is impressive.
>>3998724 >Ken's photography is a reflection of how he sees the world, bright and marvelous with sharp objects and soft people. Truth
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>>3997688 Cloudy setting is actually a really good tip.
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>>3998560 >Ken, put the fucking camera away so we can eat already Anonymous
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>>3997567 His people snap shits are people snap shits. But I think you are somewhat on to something here. That said, he's pretty clear that he likes the eye-burning saturation in and of itself and that is what he aims for aesthetically.
I doubt that most of /p/ could be as explicit about their own aesthetic as ken is with his.
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>>3998560 >>3997722 This is really creepy
It's all for show but you just know that they live in a house made out of cardboard and fake being happy
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>>3997722 >>3998560 Why are they so afraid of touching corn?
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>>3999710 I think it is an american tradition to drown their food in sweet syrups, the corn must be too sticky to handle directly
Disgusting if you ask me.
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I’m praying for the gods to teach me how to produce colors as seen in the british tv series Utopia
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>>3999947 You push your white balance towards the color of your subject
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>>3999710 >>3999867 We slather corn in butter
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I like how the sun is in two location in this image
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>>3998586 Probably because he sets all of his cameras to 6 MP because "that's all you need" or at least he used to, he may have come to his senses in that area more recently.
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>>4000383 >just add clouds bro Anonymous
>>4000413 >>4000383 god damnit Ken
The end always justifies the means, but here it
it just doesn't
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>>3997926 Is it big or is there just massive wide angle distortion
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>>4000416 yeah but without it it looks like a snapshit
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>>4000429 i remember this from Skyrim
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>>4000395 Oops, I set my camera to shoot Medium-Fine JPEG. am I screwed?
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>mirrored his photo so it would look better He was really ahead of the curve, a true renaissance man
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>>3999947 >Select compositions that emphasize complementary colors >oversaturate until clipping starts Tenser
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>>3998560 Generally speaking, I'm proud of my heritage (97% European). We built the world from the remnants of what the Romans stole from the Greeks, but, Jesus christ i wish we didnt get so soft so as to allow people like this to go through life unshaped and unformed, like doughy plops of entitled mediocrity.
We were kings, man.
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>>3998620 Its an upper middle class boomer thing. "Tap water isn't for drinking, its for washing." So, instead, they needlessly consume pseudoestrogens and plastic containers. They are by far the dunbest generation.
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>>3997937 Now I am what the fuck is wrong with Americans
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>>3998562 Is ken secretly the greatest cgi sculpter who pretends to be a photographer
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>>3998562 Why did he make a picture of that, and why did he upload it for everyone to see on the internet?
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Duuuuude Canon good Nikon le bad It is a better camera all around but Nikon is failing and Canon is healthy Wtf is wrong with that guy? Dementia?
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>>4000466 Yeah, that's too much detail, you need to change it. Make sure your saturation is as high as it will go while you're at it!
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>>3998560 Hideous.
All I see is unsharp mask.
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>>4000466 Yes, You gullible young fool, should have read what Ken wrote
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>>3997567 >why Just looks better. The second one does a better job of showing what I saw as well.
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>>4000429 >cannot place this terrain here Anonymous
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>>3998591 If you drink from the tap you are retarded, that goes for all tapped water in the urban world.
As retarded as drinking without glasses on a "fancy" sitting
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>>3997688 I love the Cloudy White Balance preset because I wear transition lenses and my vision has a permanent red/gold tint because of it. I literally see the world this way, and I make my photography match that
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>draw the line with signal processing The issue is, no matter where you draw the line, ability to interpret colors differently is required in a photography process that involves uploading an image to the internets. You simply have to interpret colors one way or another, turn them into a number.
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>>3999867 Oh I hate this, but only encounter this problem with burritos.
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>>4001279 What kind of cake is that?
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>>3997722 Lmao so much seething itt. That's probably $4k dining table. Ken's rolling in the dough, shooting whatever stupid shit he wants. He's living the dream. Chad Ken Virgin 4chan
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>>3998724 OOHH BOII DON'T YOU DARE PRODUCE A LENS OUTSIDE OF JAPAN. Ken will personally hunt you down and will smash you stupid head with a 800mm lens