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Anonymous Fri 04 Nov 2022 21:23:22 No.4096331 View View Reply Original Report

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Is CCD actually better? Or is it just nostalgia fag pseudoscience again?

What are the best CCD cameras ever released?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 04 Nov 2022 21:57:06 No.4096336 Report

Quoted By: >>4096340

>>4096331
>Or is it just nostalgia fag pseudoscience again?

the way the censors work is completely different. obviously, it's not pseudoscience. whether you like the color differences is up to you.

Maybe spend 3 minutes on google and 10 minutes on flickr before making such a low quality post.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Nov 2022 22:11:54 No.4096340 Report

Quoted By: >>4096344

>>4096336
>Maybe spend 3 minutes on google and 10 minutes on flickr before making such a low quality post.
I did and I can't find a difference that couldn't be explained by editing

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 04 Nov 2022 22:20:03 No.4096344 Report

Quoted By: >>4096350

>>4096331
>>4096340
try harder.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Nov 2022 22:20:47 No.4096345 Report

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>>4096331
Ccd has more consistent grain, which i kinda like regardless of it being reminiscent of film

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Nov 2022 23:10:18 No.4096350 Report

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>>4096344
I've googled it. Just seems like a lazy handwave to cover up your nostalgiafagging

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Nov 2022 23:35:08 No.4096355 Report

Quoted By: >>4096358

CCD is better, the reason they don't make them any more is it's way more expensive to produce than cmos
maybe they'll go back to it but there's really no way to justify the cost when cmos is pretty much just as good with all the development that's gone into it over the years

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Nov 2022 23:43:25 No.4096358 Report

Quoted By: >>4096419

>>4096355
>CCD is better,
other than noise, why?

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Anonymous Sat 05 Nov 2022 05:12:29 No.4096419 Report

Quoted By: >>4096583 >>4096601 >>4096622

>>4096358
Even CCD digishits produce great colours at base ISO.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Nov 2022 16:59:53 No.4096583 Report

Quoted By: >>4097162

>>4096419
Is that you Ken?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 05 Nov 2022 18:03:17 No.4096601 Report

Quoted By: >>4096697 >>4097162 >>4101053

>>4096419
>great colours
colors* you dumb bong. and more like fake colors.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Nov 2022 19:32:47 No.4096622 Report

Quoted By: >>4097162

>>4096419
This is just oversturated garbage though

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Nov 2022 20:29:30 No.4096630 Report

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>>4096331
>the best CCD cameras ever released
Penacks 645 the D

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Nov 2022 23:48:39 No.4096687 Report

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>>4096331
>Is CCD actually better? Or is it just nostalgia fag pseudoscience again?
yes

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Anonymous Sun 06 Nov 2022 00:00:37 No.4096697 Report

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>>4096601
bong? is that the only other country you know of?

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Anonymous Sun 06 Nov 2022 13:08:57 No.4097121 Report

Quoted By: >>4097283

I had an M8 and I have a couple of digishits and I find it's a meme.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Nov 2022 15:17:24 No.4097162 Report

Quoted By: >>4097291 >>4100876

>>4096601
>>4096622

Despite my boomer-like over saturation you still won't get the same kind of tonal range with a CMOS. Do your homework and search for a CCD DSLR sample gallery.

>>4096583
;)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Nov 2022 15:33:42 No.4097168 Report

Quoted By: >>4097177 >>4097183 >>4097450 >>4100875

>>4096697
Be easy, he's an American, it's an achievement with their level of education that he realised there was any other countries.

To put in perspective just how stupid your average American is, the USA has LESS THAN HALF the published scientific papers per capita than countries like the Netherlands, Sweden, norway, Cyprus, Australia; hell even Ireland has nearly double and they're famous worldwide for their stupidity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Nov 2022 15:48:09 No.4097177 Report

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>>4097168
obsessed

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Nov 2022 16:07:56 No.4097183 Report

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>>4097168
Americans are truly dogshit. Every step of their pathetic lives they get trod on by rampant capitalism.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Nov 2022 22:20:41 No.4097283 Report

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>>4097121
>I find it's a meme.
This seems to be the consensus amongst people who know their shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Nov 2022 22:43:00 No.4097291 Report

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>>4097162
Well, the real Ken Rockwell posting on a Kazakhstanian arts and craft forum, i propose the simple idea that CMOS sensors have improved to the point that they are in fact capturing as much tonal range today as the CMOS sensors of yesterdecade and simply need some lightroom wizardry to make it look nicer, because the raws are almost universally dull even if they capture all 9001 shades of medium red, and camera jpeg processing is lightyears behind the capabilities of even 5 year old sensors. CMOS had much more potential, but it was not economical at the time and has thus fallen behind, making the entire debate moot.

t. Ansel Adams (I didn't die, I moved to Argentina)

/\ Mon 07 Nov 2022 15:14:55 No.4097450 Report

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>>4097168
>per capita
Plot this against the demographic shift over the past 80 years if you want to realize how racist you are.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Nov 2022 16:29:42 No.4097461 Report

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>>4096331
CCD may be better for scientific purposes eg. fullframe readout sensors for astrophoto, but you're getting into very expensive devices, certainly not consumer gear.
CMOS, for whatever flaws, certainly delivers very good quality, along with things like BSI/stacked to allow fast readout.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 11:17:22 No.4100608 Report

Quoted By: >>4100874

>>4096331
Nikon D40 is god tier, still mogs modern mirrorless, even FF

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 11:51:41 No.4100612 Report

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CCD makes kino
CMOS makes flick

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Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 23:18:52 No.4100873 Report

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>>4096331
I personally believe it's because, due to the time CCDs were in prominent use, computing power was more limited and users were less familiar with the digital process, manufacturers spent more time formulating colour matrices that look good straight out of the camera.
While, today, the focus is on producing an image that is the most accurate in its rendition of the original scene, leaving the user to alter/process as they prefer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 23:20:31 No.4100874 Report

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>>4100608
How's the OVF compared to the F80/D100?

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Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 23:29:02 No.4100875 Report

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>>4097168
>the USA has LESS THAN HALF the published scientific papers per capita than countries like the Netherlands, Sweden, norway, Cyprus, Australia
I wonder who could be behind this phenomenon...

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Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 23:37:40 No.4100876 Report

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>>4097162
The tones

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:23:35 No.4100897 Report

Quoted By: >>4100899

>>4096331
Sony f828 was extremely ugly but very good colours.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 01:42:35 No.4100899 Report

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>>4100897
The last sony with good colors

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 10:48:57 No.4101053 Report

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>>4096601
Woe is you, someone from a different country has a different way of spelling a word than you're used to. Surely your way must be correct.

I bet you get angry when you hear other variations such as "Farbe" and "रंग" as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 11:08:58 No.4101056 Report

Quoted By: >>4101058 >>4101137

As I said in the other thread, this CCD myth is all about increasing the used market prices for obsolete cameras. Some people will fall for the "if I have this camera I will be a better photographer" trope and end up disappointed.

fe2fucker

fe2fucker Thu 17 Nov 2022 11:22:12 No.4101058 Report

Quoted By: >>4101138

>>4101056
Its not some weird conspiracy, every hobby has this bullshit fad where a group of morons who dont know better go "OH MAN THIS THING IS SO GOOD", causing more idiots to parrot the exact same thing, spreading misinformation further and further.

Then the inevitable happens where smart people pander to and profit from the misinformation.

Its the same in for example skateboarding, where X bearings are awesome and cool cus they spin for longer, or airsoft where X barrel makes your gun shoot further cus its steel and not brass.

Its not malintent, just people being people.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 16:49:34 No.4101137 Report

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>>4101056
>Some people will fall for the "if I have this camera I will be a better photographer" trope and end up disappointed.
You mean what 95% of new camera sales are based on?
If anything, it's better that these people learn this with antiquated cameras that have already depreciated.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 16:50:34 No.4101138 Report

Quoted By: >>4101156

>>4101058
>where X barrel makes your gun shoot further cus its steel and not brass
Wouldn't brass have less friction because it's a bearing metal?

fe2fucker

fe2fucker Thu 17 Nov 2022 17:53:42 No.4101156 Report

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>>4101138
Its a toy shooting plastic balls.
It doesnt matter what the barrel is made out of

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Nov 2022 19:59:47 No.4101184 Report

Quoted By: >>4101259

>>4096331
Foveon is better

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Nov 2022 01:15:17 No.4101259 Report

Quoted By: >>4101321

>>4101184
shits the bed in highlights

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Nov 2022 06:34:06 No.4101321 Report

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>>4101259
Still better

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Nov 2022 17:01:46 No.4101431 Report

Quoted By: >>4101438

>>4096331
https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/241543-ccd-vs-cmos-can-you-tell-which-is-whichmerged/

perennial reminder that claims about CCD were BTFO completely when it was put to a blind test.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Nov 2022 17:16:52 No.4101438 Report

Quoted By: >>4101442

>>4101431
blind tests almost always make any photo argument look ridiculous
its no wonder why people focus so much on lab / test measurements & the underlying physics / engineering
easy to argue over that minutia when it almost never actually matters

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Nov 2022 17:21:43 No.4101442 Report

Quoted By: >>4101449 >>4101462

>>4101438
yeah. there are three ways to go basically.
1, you obsess over measurements, noise charts, mtfs, etc.
2, you obsess over made up subjective bullshit, ranging from "3d pop" to "magic CCD colors" to "leica look", etc.
3, you recognize how minute most differences actually are and embrance the comfy knowledge that none of the shit matters nearly as much as people like to make it seem it does

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Nov 2022 17:27:27 No.4101449 Report

Quoted By: >>4101462 >>4101618

>>4101442
If you are buying a nice camera with the goal of making prints, you should be inclined to buy a nice lens on the basis of its specs, because you are not going to be able to tell if you take the output of each lens and scale them down to blog size.
Likewise if you are buying an expensive camera with the goal of low light photography you might want to look at the noise charts rather than okay-light SOOC jpeg snapshits scaled down to blog size.

But if you are not spending a lot of money and just want to take generic photos it's not such a big deal

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Nov 2022 17:49:21 No.4101462 Report

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>>4101442
im definitely at #3 and always ask for side by side comparisons, which people rarely engage with
people love to ignore all the disclaimers ("not good for comparing xyz") on test sites too
>>4101449
>If you are buying a nice camera with the goal of making prints
which is a tiny minority in reality, even here
>you might want to look at the noise charts
most cameras of the same sensor size / era are close enough it's not often a major difference
if you have certain specific needs, you know what you need then, and there's little to be gained from arguing online about it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Nov 2022 02:30:28 No.4101618 Report

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>>4101449
there's nothing wrong with looking at specs and objective measures of performance if you're trying to make a purchasing decision ("if you are buying a nice camera"). I'm specifically talking about people having online discussions that are purely recreational.

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