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Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2024 21:16:14 No.4380429 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>4380489 >>4380709 >>4382057 >>4382071 >>4386778

Any video cameras that emulate film yet? I haven't researched since like 2017 but back then there wasn't shit except for some expensive digital bolex

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Anonymous Sat 02 Nov 2024 00:09:55 No.4380472 Report

Quoted By: >>4380498

EOS M with magiclantern shooting cineDNG plus vintage 16mm lenses.

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Anonymous Sat 02 Nov 2024 01:37:02 No.4380489 Report

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>>4380429
I don't think anything digital really looks like film but other than the digital bolex you mentioned, the BMPCC can be graded in a very classic looking way. Maybe because it shoots RAW. Maybe >>4380429 the Canon's that can be hacked also do. But it might also be the colorists who use the BMPCC know what they are doing because I've seen footage from that camera that looks really digital as well.

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Anonymous Sat 02 Nov 2024 02:50:24 No.4380498 Report

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>>4380472
1dc was the closet digital ever got to having a film like look for video

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Anonymous Sat 02 Nov 2024 03:16:32 No.4380500 Report

Quoted By: >>4380524

Why do you people make me do this shit?

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Anonymous Sat 02 Nov 2024 03:53:53 No.4380524 Report

Quoted By: >>4380525

>>4380500
Because it costs a hundred bucks to get 3 minutes of 8mm footage?

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Anonymous Sat 02 Nov 2024 03:58:08 No.4380525 Report

Quoted By: >>4380533 >>4380538

>>4380524
I know, but you should just accept that if it's too expensive to shoot film, your videos won't look like film and move on with your life instead of cooking up elaborate copes online about how "[x] sensor is so filmic/organic/vintage" If you don't shoot film, it won't look like film. It really is that simple. Find a digital camera you like and stop worrying about it or fork out the dough.

Either way you should shut up, I'm tired of this retarded shit.

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Anonymous Sat 02 Nov 2024 04:25:32 No.4380533 Report

Quoted By: >>4380534

>>4380525
I don't know if OP is one of those "filmic/organic/vintage" types or someone who just wants something that gets reasonably close but if you are so tired of these posts, just hide the thread.

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Anonymous Sat 02 Nov 2024 04:29:22 No.4380534 Report

Quoted By: >>4380542

>>4380533
>but if you are so tired of these posts, just hide the thread.
Not the thread in particular, just this sentiment in general. People deciding that the film look is the gold standard (it is), but then being unwilling to put in the effort required to shoot film.

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Anonymous Sat 02 Nov 2024 04:36:36 No.4380538 Report

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>>4380525
If we put man on the moon we can make digital look like film

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Anonymous Sat 02 Nov 2024 04:48:26 No.4380541 Report

Quoted By: >>4380543

digital is just a data capture. Any of these mirrorless cameras that shoot high quality 10-bit or RAW can be made to look like film, assuming the lens used suits the look.

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Anonymous Sat 02 Nov 2024 04:51:10 No.4380542 Report

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>>4380534
I'll grant you that for photographers since you can get a film body and develop and scan a ton of rolls for the price of one of these overhyped "filmic" digitals. Getting into movie filming is crazy expensive that I get it. Although now that I think more about it, I agree with you. There are way too many tutorials for getting filmic video by people who want instant gratification and hipster cred or whatever and don't want to learn the art.

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Anonymous Sat 02 Nov 2024 04:54:47 No.4380543 Report

Quoted By: >>4380544 >>4380546

>>4380541
Never seen it done before. Maybe theoretically possible but no one has come close

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Anonymous Sat 02 Nov 2024 04:58:50 No.4380544 Report

Quoted By: >>4380547 >>4380552

>>4380543
what lol?
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13560574/technical/?ref_=tt_spec_sm

many such cases.... any pro hollywood colorist could give you an excellent film look because they treat this stuff as a technical practice and as a science and not as some kind of magical alchemy like you weirdos.

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Anonymous Sat 02 Nov 2024 05:04:10 No.4380546 Report

Quoted By: >>4380549 >>4380554

>>4380543
https://www.yedlin.net/DisplayPrepDemo/
maybe take a look at this to help understand that every single thing film does to an image is observable and easily replicable in software. you think we can model complex physics but we cant recreate pixels that are the right color in the right order?

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Anonymous Sat 02 Nov 2024 05:04:49 No.4380547 Report

Quoted By: >>4380553

>>4380544
You just don't have the eye for film.. Adding some grain to digital film isn't enough. Enough to fool Tumblr A24 fan sure but there is an artificial look to digital that I've never seen removed. I watched a video of a guy doing an analysis of film and what is going on automatically is too difficult to capture let alone emulate.

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Anonymous Sat 02 Nov 2024 05:06:47 No.4380549 Report

Quoted By: >>4380553

>>4380546
I hate this guy. Yeah it looks the same when you have a guy sitting in a dark room with no motion but it doesn't look like that when you actually make a real movie. Hence the movies he was hired to direct to emulate film don't look anything like film. Doesn't help that the type of film you use and the process are just as important.

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Anonymous Sat 02 Nov 2024 05:15:19 No.4380552 Report

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>>4380544
looks horrible
>add real grainy grain
>change wb to green tint

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Anonymous Sat 02 Nov 2024 05:15:42 No.4380553 Report

Quoted By: >>4380557

>>4380547
>>4380549
you sound like an audiophile trying to tell me that you can tell the difference between a class A and class D amplifier. You just want magic to be real.

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Anonymous Sat 02 Nov 2024 05:17:01 No.4380554 Report

Quoted By: >>4380558

>>4380546
there you go OP, Arri Alexa and hire this colorist.

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Anonymous Sat 02 Nov 2024 05:18:41 No.4380557 Report

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>>4380553
You're like my retarded uncle who leaves frame interpolation on his TV and can't see the difference even when I turn it on and off.

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Anonymous Sat 02 Nov 2024 05:20:15 No.4380558 Report

Quoted By: >>4380561

>>4380554
His movies that he actually worked on look nothing like film. It's easy to do trickery when you shoot a guy standing still in a dark room. Not so easy when you actually have to make a film.

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Anonymous Sat 02 Nov 2024 05:37:27 No.4380561 Report

Quoted By: >>4380564

>>4380558
it was a joke. As in you can 100% get the film look by shooting film and it might even be cheaper compared to that anon's suggestion of going with a $10,000 Arri and doing all that crap in that video that probably took years to learn and, from what you are saying, isn't even successful.

But to OP, the Magic Lantern and BMPCC are cheap enough to be worth a punt.

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Anonymous Sat 02 Nov 2024 05:39:52 No.4380564 Report

Quoted By: >>4380565 >>4380568

>>4380561
I didn't suggest getting an Arri.
I suggested that, as the guy in the video says, any decent modern camera that can get a clean enough capture can provide source material to apply a film look to. Are you guys like allergic to understanding technology on this site?

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Anonymous Sat 02 Nov 2024 05:41:06 No.4380565 Report

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>>4380564
Are you allergic to understanding his advice is garbage because his movies look like garbage?

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Anonymous Sat 02 Nov 2024 06:17:26 No.4380568 Report

Quoted By: >>4380708

>>4380564
If you watch that video, to get the film look, he used a film camera, scanned it on an ARRI machine, developed a 3D LUT, developed a halation algorithm, still messed with lift gamma and gain. And his advice to people to people who don't want to do all that? "you can push vendors or software people whether your post house partners to investigate this stuff further"

OR you can just shoot film. When I think of all the slop out there about achieving filmic or cinematic looks and how trash nearly all of it is, yeah I'm thinking just shoot film.

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Anonymous Sat 02 Nov 2024 17:28:24 No.4380708 Report

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>>4380568
>yeah I'm thinking just shoot film.
It does come down to keep it that simple. That Yedlin guy is talented and had to write some code or something to get a very close image, but at the end of the day, you gotta choose between what's feasible, and in today's world, it's unfortunately not film unless you're working on a project that wants and has the budget for it. Do the best with what's given to you.

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Anonymous Sat 02 Nov 2024 17:30:54 No.4380709 Report

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>>4380429

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Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2024 00:43:31 No.4382057 Report

Quoted By: >>4382069

>>4380429
Ikonoskop A-Cam DII is similar to digial bolex - it had film-like (i.e. simple) controls, and global shutter cDNG raw.

To a lesser extent, the Blackmagic Production Camera 4K (and its differently housed siblings the Ursa/Ursa Mini 4K) have some aspects going for them - while they are global shutter cameras with cDNG raw, they also have problems such as inadequate IR blocking filter and almost entirely touchscreen interface on a screen that is basically invisible outdoors. Saying that, I have yet to miss focus with my P4K because the green dot focus peaking is just about visible even when the rest of the image is not.

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Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2024 01:04:27 No.4382069 Report

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>>4382057
Even more expensive than the Bolex.. why these things always get abandoned. We need an established company to make something similar

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Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2024 01:07:41 No.4382071 Report

Quoted By: >>4382077 >>4382154

>>4380429
There is some dude from Germany claiming he developed some hardware addons that let you achieve Technicolor style colors on most digital cameras.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WL1CFb0b0bI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bNrFBo81mE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHAMvfZUxI0

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Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2024 01:26:52 No.4382077 Report

Quoted By: >>4382087 >>4382137 >>4382154

>>4382071
Seems a bit snake-oily to me. He isn't giving any details that I can find.

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Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2024 01:57:34 No.4382087 Report

Quoted By: >>4382154

>>4382077
Probably because patent pending

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Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2024 07:09:16 No.4382137 Report

Quoted By: >>4382154

>>4382077
All I know he is making that claim for quite a few years now and he had a horror movie made using his method of filming.

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Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2024 08:55:38 No.4382154 Report

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>>4382071
>>4382137
>>4382087
>>4382077
Man this is the best emulation I've seen by far. Someone has to figure this out

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Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2024 10:01:37 No.4382162 Report

Quoted By: >>4382503

the og bmpcc was pretty good

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Anonymous Thu 07 Nov 2024 11:03:12 No.4382456 Report

Quoted By: >>4382465 >>4382516

I really don't fathom why zoomies are so obsessed with le analog, le film and le lofi lately

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Anonymous Thu 07 Nov 2024 12:47:47 No.4382465 Report

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>>4382456
>lately
It's been almost a decade now

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Anonymous Thu 07 Nov 2024 13:15:19 No.4382472 Report

Quoted By: >>4382476 >>4382564

what do we think about Pacifiction?

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Anonymous Thu 07 Nov 2024 13:40:35 No.4382476 Report

Quoted By: >>4382514

>>4382472
Sorry i only watch good movies

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Anonymous Thu 07 Nov 2024 15:45:15 No.4382503 Report

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>>4382162
i still use mine as a webcam and occassional sneaky cam

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Anonymous Thu 07 Nov 2024 16:39:46 No.4382513 Report

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What do we think about Pedro Costa's cinematography style? It's all digital.

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Anonymous Thu 07 Nov 2024 16:42:36 No.4382514 Report

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>>4382476
Like what?

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Anonymous Thu 07 Nov 2024 16:43:50 No.4382516 Report

Quoted By: >>4382523

>>4382456
Because film objectivity has nicer colors.
>zoomers
Nah, even boomers say that film is better.

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Anonymous Thu 07 Nov 2024 16:47:15 No.4382521 Report

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Thoughts on CCD cinematography cameras?

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Anonymous Thu 07 Nov 2024 16:54:00 No.4382523 Report

Quoted By: >>4382526

>>4382516
Objectively worse colors

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Anonymous Thu 07 Nov 2024 16:59:59 No.4382526 Report

Quoted By: >>4382533

>>4382523
Post some digitally shot films which you think are superior to film

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Anonymous Thu 07 Nov 2024 17:35:06 No.4382533 Report

Quoted By: >>4382536

>>4382526
The vast majority of movies out today.

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Anonymous Thu 07 Nov 2024 17:47:38 No.4382536 Report

Quoted By: >>4382565

>>4382533
Name them

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Anonymous Thu 07 Nov 2024 19:36:18 No.4382564 Report

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>>4382472
I'm interested in watching it just from that webm. It looks beautiful. A little heavy on the diffusion filters, but beautiful

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Anonymous Thu 07 Nov 2024 19:37:09 No.4382565 Report

Quoted By: >>4382585

>>4382536
>name all of the movies!
lol

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Anonymous Thu 07 Nov 2024 20:26:07 No.4382585 Report

Quoted By:

>>4382565
kys

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Anonymous Thu 07 Nov 2024 22:40:01 No.4382616 Report

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Use old lenses, it's that simple really

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Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2024 18:55:48 No.4386778 Report

Quoted By: >>4386779

>>4380429
unironically FPBP in this case
as sumbody thats been looking into it for some years it's either
bmpcc og
or canon cameras running magic lantern crop mood
best option probably 5d mark iii to account for raw capture crop, ud get about 1.5x "super35" field of view
smaller sensor canons you would have to crop in more and gives u mft field of view, if you are okay with that get a t5i cus of the flip screen or a sl1 for how small it is and you can probs rig it into a small setup for cheap

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Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2024 18:56:53 No.4386779 Report

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>>4386778
by far the camera that most looks like film when shooting digital files has been these two options

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Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2024 23:56:23 No.4386863 Report

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Thompson viper but nothing prior and nothing since and working with one is like putting your balls in a vice

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