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Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 03:55:44 No.4442503 View View Reply Original Report

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Is there such thing as an affordable, high image quality even in low light, durable for warzones camera for the layman?
I've realised that's all I want
Quality and durability

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 03:58:27 No.4442505 Report

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>>4442503
Sony a7c

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 04:02:31 No.4442507 Report

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>>4442505
no meme answers

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 04:03:00 No.4442508 Report

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>>4442507
Sony a7cii

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 04:04:57 No.4442509 Report

Quoted By: >>4442591

>>4442503
Canon for durability.
Dont listen to these >>4442505 >>4442508 unless you want a camera that will fall apart if you simply just sneeze at it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 04:16:32 No.4442513 Report

Quoted By: >>4442516

>>4442503
nikon/pentax dslrs for durable and dirt cheap to the point of being disposable

olympus e-m1 and e-m1ii if you want something modern with similar bulletproof build as older nikon and pentax stuff.

modern mirrorless stuff from sony/canon/nikon doesn't have good build quality so you can't really have what you want without compromising on image quality in some way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 04:17:49 No.4442515 Report

Quoted By: >>4442517 >>4442861

>>4442503
Sony

Only /p/ hates it (the local sony hater is a half chinese dweeb named clive) so you know its good
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GaryZcOcnJ4
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m-VDIEpGZ1c

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 04:19:08 No.4442516 Report

Quoted By: >>4442519 >>4442861

>>4442513
This nigga lyin
https://archive.palanq.win/p/thread/4441351/#4441637

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 04:21:17 No.4442517 Report

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>>4442515
What kind of white ass name is Clive for a Chinese person

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 04:21:49 No.4442518 Report

Quoted By: >>4442592

>>4442503
Olympus
>Olympus (now OM System) has a strong reputation for producing durable cameras, particularly with their Micro Four Thirds system. Their cameras, like the E-M1 and the OM-5, are known for excellent weather sealing, making them suitable for harsh conditions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 04:23:40 No.4442519 Report

Quoted By: >>4442534

>>4442516
in terms of build quality sony is easily the worst brand of all selling new bodies rn.

they are popular because they won the race to deliver a non-cucked mirrorless system over the dinosaur brands, otherwise they're nothing to write home about.

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 04:25:05 No.4442521 Report

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>>4442503
Canon or Nikon is the only correct answer. Pick your poison.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 04:43:56 No.4442532 Report

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>>4442505
>>4442508
I tested both of these for reliability in extreme conditions, they were both trash. I threw them into my swimming pool and then took them out 3 months later. They didn't work anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 04:48:13 No.4442534 Report

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>>4442519
Thats because Sony is a consumer electronics company. They arent made to be durable or last long term.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 04:53:49 No.4442537 Report

Quoted By: >>4442540 >>4442573 >>4442861 >>4443437 >>4444390

Definitely sony

https://petapixel.com/2024/09/18/sony-again-claims-the-1-spot-in-the-full-frame-mirrorless-camera-market/
https://www.photoxels.com/sony-strikes-another-5th-news-agency-win-reuters-decides-on-sony-a7s-iii-and-pxw-z280-as-their-journalists-main-shooting-kit/
https://www.photoxels.com/britains-pa-media-group-selects-sony-alpha-full-frame-mirrorless-cameras-and-cinema-line-camera-fx3-as-preferred-equipment/
https://www.photoxels.com/fourth-win-sony-strikes-deal-with-the-canadian-press-to-be-its-exclusive-image-products-provider/
https://www.photoxels.com/gannett-usa-today-selects-sony-as-exclusive-imaging-product-provider-for-their-photographers-and-journalists/
https://www.ap.org/media-center/press-releases/2020/ap-to-equip-all-visual-journalists-globally-with-sony-imaging-products/
/p/ is just assmad sony beat all their favorite brands on /p/ because they’re literal children from /v/

sony makes the best tool
if you want to larp or impress people buy a leica or hasselblad. 500cs and m4s are cheap.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 04:56:44 No.4442540 Report

Quoted By: >>4442542

>>4442537
Sony falls apart after 2 to 10 hours of casual use. The dials and buttons pop off, the screens crack or shatter, and the e-mount will rip itself out of the frame and just break randomly. They are cheap chinese made mass produced bottom of the barrel quality cameras sold at insane markup. Did you know it only costs $50 to produce a Sony a7rv in a factory? That's right.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 04:58:39 No.4442541 Report

Quoted By: >>4442543 >>4442545 >>4442556

Nikon Zf.
Nice metal body, decently priced, Nikon lenses are nice, and there are cheap Chinese options if you prefer that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 04:59:09 No.4442542 Report

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>>4442540
Good morning sir

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 04:59:54 No.4442543 Report

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>>4442541
>and there are cheap Chinese options if you prefer that.
Sounds like a Sony then, no thanks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 05:00:35 No.4442545 Report

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>>4442541
Now this camera is a work of art. It does everything better than a Sony. a7cr and for a cheaper price and insanely high quality

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 05:02:42 No.4442548 Report

Quoted By: >>4442549

>>4442545
Thats what happens when you dont make your bodies with all entry level tier build quality.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 05:04:04 No.4442549 Report

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>>4442548
And as an added bonus nikkon don't make people look like shrek.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 05:04:45 No.4442550 Report

Quoted By: >>4442551 >>4442552

Rajesh, please stop samefagging

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 05:06:49 No.4442551 Report

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>>4442550
This. Nobody is falling for your snoy meme camera.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 05:06:55 No.4442552 Report

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>>4442550
Nobody is samefagging. Other than you sony paid shills everyone here knows sony is bottom of the barrel lowest quality trash made in chinese factory by children engineered by subhuman retards

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 05:08:15 No.4442553 Report

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>>4442543
You don't have to buy them.
And unlike Sony's "mature" lens lineup, you don't have 5000 ancient lens models with shit optical designs.

All the Nikon FF Z-mount lenses are good to excellent, and even the cheapo 3rd party shit outperforms some of Sony's ancient, overpriced slop they never update.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 05:17:56 No.4442555 Report

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>>4442503
Make a pinhole camera out of a titanium box.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 05:19:08 No.4442556 Report

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>>4442541
2nd this, can always add a grip or case if the bottom plate is a worry
Mines held up great through downpours

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 05:20:34 No.4442558 Report

Quoted By: >>4442559 >>4442560

Okay guys so maybe I need to be more clear. I need the camera to be bullet proof and to withstand a direct hit from a nuclear warhead. What are my options?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 05:24:28 No.4442559 Report

Quoted By: >>4442566

>>4442558
R3 / R1 / Z9

You should look at what actual warzone photographers use though

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 05:24:55 No.4442560 Report

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>>4442558
See >>4442521

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 05:35:11 No.4442566 Report

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>>4442559
>Read half a dozen recent articles by war photographers
>Canon, Nikon, Fujifilm, Lumix, even Leica gets a mention
>Not a single instance of Sony
Lol, lmao even.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 05:36:34 No.4442567 Report

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>>4442566
nobody wants to show their war photos and everyone is shrek

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 05:45:15 No.4442571 Report

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Olympus or Pentax
The other brands are for studiofags or tards that only take photos on bright days

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 05:49:38 No.4442573 Report

Quoted By: >>4442582

>>4442537
>sony makes the best tool

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 06:16:08 No.4442582 Report

Quoted By: >>4442584

>>4442573
What camera should I get that will survive being hit with a hammer like this one was?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 06:24:48 No.4442584 Report

Quoted By: >>4442589

>>4442582
Fully articulating screen, turned inward to face the body.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 07:02:12 No.4442589 Report

Quoted By: >>4442590

>>4442584
oh, so a sony a7rv?
got it

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 07:03:03 No.4442590 Report

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>>4442589
Nice try Ranjeet

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 07:21:07 No.4442591 Report

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>>4442509
Second. If it were me it would be a 1DX, probably the first cus its quite cheap now, but the other two are really good too, just more expensive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 07:23:17 No.4442592 Report

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>>4442518
Em1x seems like a good choice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 07:29:24 No.4442593 Report

Quoted By: >>4442596 >>4442597

>>4442503
D800, since 2012.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 07:53:26 No.4442596 Report

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>>4442593
Based.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 08:21:50 No.4442597 Report

Quoted By: >>4442599 >>4442644 >>4442649 >>4442653

>>4442593
Why are cameras this old still nearly $1k?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 08:26:19 No.4442599 Report

Quoted By: >>4442649

>>4442597
because they're insanely high quality and last 1000 years, wheras a snoy camera lasts 1 month tops

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 13:28:35 No.4442644 Report

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>>4442597
It launched at $3k and the pictures you can get out of it are just as good as when it released
When compared to more expensive and modern cameras, it's really not that far behind in terms of performance

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 13:45:02 No.4442648 Report

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>>4442503
this is a skill issue, not a camera issue

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 13:49:41 No.4442649 Report

Quoted By: >>4442654 >>4442663

>>4442597
>>4442599
More like because your market is fucking garbage, D800/810s are $5-600 all day long. D750s are reaching $1000 and 850s are a little more.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 14:05:00 No.4442653 Report

Quoted By: >>4442655

>>4442597
Because you are a europoor? They’re $350 in the first world.
These old nikon dslrs are garbage. Slow autofocus, mirror shake issues (bad damping), and the grips fall off. Or buy a d810/d750 and the plastic lens mount breaks off and the shutter fails.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 14:06:01 No.4442654 Report

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>>4442649
D750s are <$500

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 14:06:45 No.4442655 Report

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>>4442653
>Or buy a d810/d750 and the plastic lens mount breaks off and the shutter fails.
stop using your camera to kill zombies

Sugar !egyYvoBZV2

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Sugar !egyYvoBZV2 Wed 02 Jul 2025 14:10:16 No.4442657 Report

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>>4442503

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 14:57:24 No.4442662 Report

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>>4442503
i cam back from dusty area. Then literally for a few seconds rinsed camera in sink. Lwt it dry. worked again
Canon90d

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 15:07:09 No.4442663 Report

Quoted By: >>4442665

>>4442649
>D750s are reaching $1000
Which is pretty crazy considering they dipped to $1000 new in '19

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 15:19:08 No.4442665 Report

Quoted By: >>4442672

>>4442663
Europoor prices. A sony a7iii is $2k for them. Meanwhile in the US a sony a7iii is $800 on fb market.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 15:36:52 No.4442669 Report

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>>4442503
Most photojournalists who need to cover serious shit, in the shit, shoot sony (any) or canon (pro models only, crop models and the rp/r8 are purposefully poorly made)

If you're doing it for personal vanity choose any other brand because other brands have more larp cred. Nikon pairs well with a khaki vest if you want to pretend. Leica with a denim jacket. Hasselblad with a tophat and monocle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 15:41:27 No.4442672 Report

Quoted By: >>4442677

>>4442665
No I'm just retarded. D750/800/810 and 5D Mark 3 is closer to $4-600; D850 and 5D Mark IV is $1000+ though.

Canon RP is $5-600 too.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 15:51:29 No.4442677 Report

Quoted By: >>4442680 >>4442683

>>4442672
>5dIV is $1000+
Because RF L lenses are absurdly overpriced and RF pro bodies have a lot of reliability issues, so people are still unironically using them. Non-L RF lenses arent even weather sealed nor do they come with lens hoods. Non-pro RF bodies are purposefully poorly made.

You never hear about this shit on /p/ because /p/ is actually a marketing war between a canon shill, a panasonic shill, and a sony shill. All professional jeets making less than $1 per post. None of them are aware of the reality of cameras.

but sony does have #1 in the FF market, mostly because they don't suck as bad as canon, but now that nikon fixed their autofocus there is legitimately an alternative to sony.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 15:54:45 No.4442680 Report

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>>4442677
every canon release in recent memory has had issues and no recall
>5div sensor failure
>eos r motherboard failure
>r6ii shutter and motherboard failure
>r5ii defective firmware/err 70/screen cutting out
"prease send to canon pro services, gaijin"
sony is also starting to return to being canon-like
>a7cii/a7cr SD seal flaking off
>a1/a7rv firmware bricking similar to r5ii bricking OOTB
no recalls, just "please send it in we wont charge you that much"

to date ONLY nikon has actually done free repairs for their fuckups

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 15:56:30 No.4442683 Report

Quoted By: >>4442861

>>4442677
Jesus
https://petapixel.com/2023/02/26/my-strange-ongoing-troubles-with-the-canon-r5/
https://fstoppers.com/reviews/hey-canon-why-are-your-cameras-falling-apart-636447
https://www.canonrumors.com/forum/threads/eos-r5-freeze-lock-up-issues.39459/
https://www.eoshd.com/comments/topic/88441-canon-r5-mark-ii-firmware-problems/
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4587704

Canon = sony but blob

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jul 2025 20:49:07 No.4442759 Report

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>malding snoy schizo talking to himself again
Just get a Canon or Nikon, OP. There's a reason they've been around for decades.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Jul 2025 03:47:13 No.4442857 Report

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>>4442503
>affordable
Yes
>high image quality even in low light
Camera flash, bring your own light
>durable for warzones
You will be turned into pink mist and ground meat in an actual war. Modern war is a propaganda machine, photographers are not in actual danger. Just use your strap and don't drop the camera and you're fine.
If you need added ruggedization you can put the camera in a cage to protect it from bumping into things or add waterproofing.

You can do all of this with a used DSLR for under $100,000 total with custom hardware.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Jul 2025 04:07:55 No.4442861 Report

Quoted By: >>4442862 >>4442864 >>4442872

>>4442515
>>4442516
>>4442537
>>4442683
Nice facts

Sony it is

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Jul 2025 04:18:26 No.4442862 Report

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>>4442861
Ranjeet pls go

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Jul 2025 04:28:59 No.4442864 Report

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>>4442861
Hello saar
you paid good today to shill sony?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Jul 2025 05:24:33 No.4442872 Report

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>>4442861
This board is finished, it's filled with paid shills like this. Nobody would willingly buy a sony. They shrekify people

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Jul 2025 05:41:11 No.4442875 Report

Quoted By: >>4442876

lots of Canons were used at least couple of years ago by world famous, awarded photojournalists

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Jul 2025 05:42:18 No.4442876 Report

Quoted By: >>4442878 >>4442882

>>4442875

https://www.thephoblographer.com/2023/03/29/the-gear-used-by-world-press-photo-2023-regional-winners/

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Jul 2025 06:10:24 No.4442878 Report

Quoted By: >>4442879 >>4442886

>>4442876
>8 of the 11 winners were photographed by a Canon
>meanwhile anon on /p/: snoy numba 1 most sold in ff market!
Oh no no no

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Jul 2025 06:21:16 No.4442879 Report

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>>4442878
It's all one Indian guy named Rajeesh who is paid by Sony to shill here. Nobody uses sony irl, the company is almost bankrupt.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Jul 2025 06:31:18 No.4442882 Report

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>>4442876
This is like saying
>well the best paintings of 2023 were made with paint brushes bought at walmart so walmart paint brushes are obviously the highest quality
i think it's more likely that these cheap ass jews are penny pinching

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Jul 2025 07:12:49 No.4442886 Report

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>>4442878
Honestly one major reason is probably Canon Professional Services. When you’re a pro, reliability is far more important than specs, and CPS goes a long ways to making sure you have a functioning camera in a world of limited money and entropy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Jul 2025 08:04:09 No.4442890 Report

Quoted By: >>4443412 >>4443438

So recs for a Canon camera that's light and portable enough to be a genuine carry everywhere with only a prime and a zoom, but is also durable enough for the apocalypse and takes high quality images?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Jul 2025 20:28:27 No.4443412 Report

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>>4442890
those requirements are conflicting

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Jul 2025 22:48:55 No.4443437 Report

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>>4442537
i hope sony pays you for this bro

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Jul 2025 22:49:35 No.4443438 Report

Quoted By: >>4443440

>>4442890
buy canon 5dmk3 + 50 1,4 + 24-105 and fuck off with the larping

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Jul 2025 22:53:05 No.4443440 Report

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>>4443438
>noooo you can't want actual durability it's a larp no one goes outside larp

cANON

cANON Mon 07 Jul 2025 00:19:26 No.4444382 Report

Quoted By: >>4444470

>>4442503
A DSLR is what you want when the push comes to shove, not mirrorless scameras designed with limp-wristed, lisp-voiced faggots in mind.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2025 00:43:16 No.4444390 Report

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>>4442537
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQuDAW06Og0

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2025 03:18:58 No.4444470 Report

Quoted By: >>4444471

>>4444382
dslrs are all falling apart by now. people with real demands like AP photographers use sony.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2025 03:20:14 No.4444471 Report

Quoted By: >>4444473

>>4444470
AP Photographers get their cameras for free, everyone else has to pay actual money. They're not getting shitty consumer grade A7s either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2025 03:44:48 No.4444473 Report

Quoted By: >>4444481

>>4444471
they are literally using the a7iv. its why its one of the cameras that got c2pa support. it is much, much better made than the compacts and the a7iii.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2025 04:01:30 No.4444481 Report

Quoted By: >>4444483 >>4444485

>>4444473
Nope, they're using the A9II or A1. A9II is $4500 MSRP.

>The vast majority of the stills photographers will get a9 Mark IIs. We will get some a7R IVs for the videographers, and a couple for some of our entertainment shooters who do a lot of portraits. But the standard kit will be an a9 Mark II.

https://m.dpreview.com/interviews/2999935759/interview-we-talk-to-ap-director-of-photography-about-switch-to-sony

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2025 04:08:45 No.4444483 Report

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>>4444481
I was at a parade with AP fags and two of them had a7ivs. and yes, it was a pride parade.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2025 04:13:43 No.4444485 Report

Quoted By: >>4444501

>>4444481
>a7R IVs for the videographers
they can't even shoot video for more than 30 minutes without exploding

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2025 04:18:42 No.4444488 Report

Quoted By: >>4444491 >>4444495

the layman is not shooting wars read what you type

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2025 04:24:21 No.4444491 Report

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>>4444488
Sony cameras suck. I took my a7rv to the water park and it broke when i was taking pictures in the pool.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2025 04:27:58 No.4444495 Report

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>>4444488
Sony camras suck. I was taking pictures at an LA riot last month and my camera broke when a police officer shot it with a live round.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jul 2025 04:38:41 No.4444501 Report

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>>4444485
This. Doubt theyre shooting with Sonys as they will overheat quickly in the sun.

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