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I guess the dynamic was so different. Marty and Shawn did similar things in the ring, Anvil and Bret couldn't be more different. Jim was a necessary ego check for Bret who took himself and wrestling too seriously. Anvil was always more interested in partying and getting fucked up than actual wrestling. Another anon described the Marty thing was a quiet panic and that desperation wasn't there for Neidhart.