"I remember talking to Shawn and I was telling Shawn straight up, I said, 'Man, I really want to be a top guy. I don't want to get like, nothing wrong with 205 Live. I know I'm undersized, but I don't want to be a 205 Live guy.' Shawn will even say to this day that he kind of respected that I had the balls to come up to him and tell him that, and here we are. "