>>10836414please, it's really ok at this point to make the case you want to kill a baby. at least that would be a solid argument. "it would be really inconvenient to me to have a baby so I want to kill it" I don't agree per se, but at least that's a position. why is it pro-choicers have to engage in mental gymnastics to try to argue that theres no baby involved to get people to go along with abortion?