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Anonymous Sat 29 Jul 2023 03:16:49 No.10973241 View View Reply Original Report

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Who was the best Tiger Mask?

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Anonymous Sat 29 Jul 2023 03:26:06 No.10973314 Report

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>>10973241
I'm going with Misawa just because his unmasking was a classic moment.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Jul 2023 03:58:52 No.10973560 Report

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>>10973241
The original and it isn't close. Misawa hated the gimmick and was only having good matches when he was a JHW from 84-86, then he got injured, bulked up and phoned it the fuck in until he unmasked in 1990. Tiger Mask III is relatively unremarkable, IV was good in MPro and NJPW until around 2010 and then completely stopped giving the shit. He also never reached the same height Sayama did and never had as good of matches. Tiger Mask W was a gimmick for like 3 matches.
tldr. I >>> II > IV > III > W

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Anonymous Sat 29 Jul 2023 04:00:41 No.10973574 Report

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>>10973241
>>10973560
III did have the great feud with Liger and one of the alltime best entrances at the 1/4/94 Tokyo Dome show, but I think IV's longevity, I's great matches, legacy and look and, II's good to great matches from 84-86 as well as his unmasking in 1990 make them better.

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Anonymous Sat 29 Jul 2023 04:27:49 No.10973866 Report

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>>10973241
Why the fuck don’t you tell us?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Jul 2023 04:29:49 No.10973890 Report

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>>10973241
Misawa is the better overall wrestler, but Sayama is the best Tiger Mask by far

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Jul 2023 04:31:17 No.10973910 Report

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>>10973560
>>10973574
Not to keep giving myself (You)s, but I don't want to undersell III too much. Koji Kanemoto was a great JHW, I just think he accomplished a lot more as himself (ala Misawa) then he did as Tiger Mask III.

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Anonymous Sat 29 Jul 2023 04:31:29 No.10973912 Report

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>>10973241
Ibushi was more athletic and got more 5 stars matches so him

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Anonymous Sat 29 Jul 2023 04:36:22 No.10973947 Report

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>>10973912
Ibushi wrestled Sayama in 2008, I think it was. A pretty decent match. Sayama still looked great despite being old and fat. The Misawa/Sayama match is lost. Nothing to really add except fun facts. I just love these niggas.

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Anonymous Sat 29 Jul 2023 04:40:22 No.10973987 Report

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>>10973241
will the mask ever get passed on or will IV keep the mask into retirement because he couldnt develope a personality beyond it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Jul 2023 04:41:06 No.10973993 Report

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>>10973560
>phoned it the fuck in until he unmasked in 1990
I thought his 1988 match with Jumbo was good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibR7AJQ5yTw&t=295s

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Jul 2023 04:45:19 No.10974039 Report

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>>10973947
Sayama also had matches with Akebono, Onita, Marufuji, Ultimo Dragon, Takayama, Minoru Suzuki, Masaaki Mochizuki, Tiger Mask IV, Liger. His whole second run isn't talked about very much at all.

>>10973993
Comparatively speaking I guess. I find that match in particular to be overrated. If you compare it to his matches with Kuniaki Kobayashi in 85 or his return match against La Fiera in 84 its night and day. Not to mention the stinker with Bret in 1990. You can also look at his work immediately after unmasking and see a huge gap in in-ring quality. He goes from a servicable 7/10 to a 10/10 almost immediately and I have to think thats because he was phoning it in.

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Anonymous Sat 29 Jul 2023 04:51:52 No.10974106 Report

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>>10974039
His second run is kinda hard to find. I only got the Ibushi match from a friend that sent me a download of it. I don’t think I would’ve ever found it otherwise. Sayama is underrated these days. Not sure why that is.

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Anonymous Sat 29 Jul 2023 04:55:05 No.10974135 Report

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>>10974106
While this thread is up, I'll try to dig up and share as much Sayama as I can. There is a very good collection of his first run in NJPW and his UWF run on archive.org
https://archive.org/details/njpw-the-first-tiger-mask-60fps
https://archive.org/details/uwf-the-legendary-tiger-warrior-super-tiger-1984-1985

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Anonymous Sat 29 Jul 2023 05:03:53 No.10974207 Report

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>>10974106
>>10974135
1. Super Tiger vs. Shinjiro Otani (6/9/05)
2. First Tiger Mask (Satoru Sayama) vs. Masao Orihara (9/26/05)
3. First TIger Mask vs. Yuki Ishikawa (12/16/05)
4. First Tiger Mask & Yuki Ishikawa vs. Minoru Suzuki & Alexander Otsuka (6/7/06)
5. First Tiger Mask vs. Kota Ibushi (9/20/06)
6. First Tiger Mask vs. Minoru Suzuki (12/12/06)
7. First Tiger Mask & Masao Orihara vs. Minoru Suzuki & Kota Ibushi (3/7/07)
8. First Tiger Mask & Kota Ibushi vs. Toshiaki Kawada & KUDO (6/8/07)
9. First Tiger Mask vs. Kuniaki Kobayashi (9/21/07)
10. First Tiger Mask vs. Minoru Suzuki (12/20/07)
11. RJPW vs. WAR Summit Decisive Battle: Genichiro Tenryu & Masao Orihara vs. First Tiger Mask & "Kamen Shooter" Super Rider (3/13/08)

https://archive.org/details/fast_20200419

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Anonymous Sat 29 Jul 2023 05:17:19 No.10974316 Report

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>>10974207
Onita vs. First Tiger Mask
https://archive.org/details/2012.12.07-rjpw-traditional
https://archive.org/details/rjpw-20120620-realforbattlestrongstyleism
https://archive.org/details/legend-the-pro-wrestling-07142013
>TIL They had atleast three fucking matches in the 2010s

The Great Sasuke vs. First Tiger Mask
https://archive.org/details/rjpw-20111025-breakthrough

Tiger Mask IV vs. First Tiger Mask
https://archive.org/details/rjpw-20101209-rjpwextreme

Genichiro Tenryu vs. First Tiger Mask
https://archive.org/details/rjpw-03182010-overheat

Yoshihiro Takayama vs. First Tiger Mask
https://archive.org/details/rjpw-2009.09.11

Masaaki Mochizuki vs. First Tiger Mask
https://archive.org/details/inoki-festival-1996-1996.12.01

Minoru Tanaka vs. First Tiger Mask
https://archive.org/details/battlarts-on-fighting-tv-samurai-01-21-1997-496410132-456239146

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Anonymous Sat 29 Jul 2023 05:22:01 No.10974353 Report

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>no mention of super tiger vs. fujiwara

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Anonymous Sat 29 Jul 2023 05:22:53 No.10974357 Report

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>>10973241
Rocky Romero.

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Anonymous Sat 29 Jul 2023 05:41:56 No.10974482 Report

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>>10974135
>>10974353
>https://archive.org/details/uwf-the-legendary-tiger-warrior-super-tiger-1984-1985
Four of their 6 matches can be watched here.

I can only find a fancam of their January 1985 match. https://archive.org/details/uwf-01-16-1985-handheld
and on the off chance anyone is interested here is their weird exhibition match from 1997 https://archive.org/details/wkafestivalofmartialartsspecial19971012

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Anonymous Sat 29 Jul 2023 05:42:57 No.10974488 Report

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>>10974482
That third link also has this bizarre match
>First Tiger (Tiger King, Satoru Sayama) & 4th Generation Tiger VS 2nd Generation Tiger (Yoshinobu Kanemaru / AJPW) & 3rd Generation Tiger (Koji Kanemoto / NJPW)
Referee: Black Tiger (The Great Sasuke / Michinoku Pro-Wrestling)

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Anonymous Sat 29 Jul 2023 05:45:41 No.10974499 Report

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>>10974482
>Four of their 6 matches can be watched here.
Sorry bro, my mistake. I just CTRL+F'd because their match from December 1984 is my favorite match of all time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Jul 2023 05:49:55 No.10974522 Report

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>>10974499
Damn fine series of matches. Better then the Dynamite vs Tiger series imo. Only one isn't accounted for in this post >>10974482
>5-31-1985
If anyone has it feel free to share.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Jul 2023 05:54:46 No.10974538 Report

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>>10974207
I'll stop giving myself (You)s after this, but I want to acknowledge that there is a taped match where Kawada and Sayama interact here >>10974207
and I'm almost certain that would be better in-ring then the famous lost 2008 Misawa vs Sayama tag. May not have the same "lost media" appeal, but I figure its worth noting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Jul 2023 08:02:54 No.10975029 Report

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Sayama training camp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx1Jn2SNYp8

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Anonymous Sat 29 Jul 2023 08:09:30 No.10975060 Report

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>>10974135
>>10974207
>>10974316
>>10974482
Holy based. Thanks for posting these, anon.

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Anonymous Sat 29 Jul 2023 08:13:06 No.10975081 Report

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>>10973241
Who's own Tiger Mask gimmick, Sayama or NJPW?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Jul 2023 08:15:41 No.10975097 Report

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>>10975081
Sayama. He has to approve anyone who takes up the gimmick. He trained Tiger Mask IV personally and approved him taking the gimmick.

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Anonymous Sat 29 Jul 2023 08:18:45 No.10975115 Report

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>>10973987
>>10975081
To answer this anon's question thats probably also why there hasn't been a Tiger Mask V yet. Sayama hasn't given any modern pro wrestler his blessing. This is my personal conspiracy theory, but I think NJPW was trying to get Yuya Uemura to fill that role when they were having him tag with Tiger Mask IV, but Sayama didn't give his stamp of approval. Just my theory.

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Anonymous Sat 29 Jul 2023 08:20:32 No.10975133 Report

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>>10975115
To correct myself it would by Tiger Mask VI. Minowaman was technically Tiger Mask V.

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Anonymous Sat 29 Jul 2023 09:26:40 No.10975394 Report

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