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Why do people say Bret was never part of the Attitude Era?

Anonymous Fri 11 Aug 2023 21:51:51 No.11124550 View View Reply Original Report

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Why do people say that Bret wasn't ever part of the attitude era when very clearly he was part of that era.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEQ1tbHFlyg

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Anonymous Fri 11 Aug 2023 21:54:14 No.11124564 Report

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>>11124550
Bret was a draw both internationally and in the states in the attitude era. Anyone saying different is a mad as fuck Michaelsfag. I'm thinking it was a gay magazine brother.

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Anonymous Fri 11 Aug 2023 21:57:38 No.11124588 Report

Quoted By: >>11124809 >>11124816 >>11131501 >>11131604

Many people consider the true starting point of the AA when Vince made his little attitude era speech which happened like a month after Bret left

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Anonymous Fri 11 Aug 2023 22:20:55 No.11124809 Report

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>>11124588
yeah but it had pretty clearly already started and they had already started talking about "wwf attitude"

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Anonymous Fri 11 Aug 2023 22:21:18 No.11124816 Report

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>>11124588

Attitude Era shit was already in full effect by the time Vince made that speech. WWF is already partnered with ECW and did their small invasion angle in 96. For me, it really starts in 1997. They were already really pushing boundaries by Summerslam. If I had to pick a specific date, it’s the Raw is War after Badd Blood. Kane debuts, Pillman just passed, Brett goes full anti USA heel and him and HBK start feuding for the belt leading to Survivor Series/Screwjob. That same Raw is War, Cornett starts getting these 5 minute rant segments. His first one he shoots on Hall, Nash, Waltman, and Bischoff.

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Anonymous Fri 11 Aug 2023 22:23:41 No.11124838 Report

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He literally created it
>Made Shawn at WM12
>Made Austin at WM13
>Made Vince at Montreal
>Made Hall and Nash leave effectively creating the NWO
>Protected Rock from Shawn and Paul

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Anonymous Fri 11 Aug 2023 22:25:25 No.11124856 Report

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>>11124838
The idea for the NWO came from Japan. The UWF/NJPW story. It’s possible that Nobuhiko Takda inadvertently started the Attitude Era.

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Anonymous Fri 11 Aug 2023 22:28:36 No.11124898 Report

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>>11124856
The point I was making is they needed Nash and Hall for it to get as big as it did

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Anonymous Fri 11 Aug 2023 22:30:57 No.11124919 Report

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>>11124816
Nice. Gonna have to watch it. Date?

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Anonymous Fri 11 Aug 2023 22:48:52 No.11125074 Report

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>>11124550
Bret was the sacrificial lamb and his sacrifice gave birth to the Attitude Era.

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Anonymous Fri 11 Aug 2023 22:51:07 No.11125092 Report

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>>11124550
Most consider the AA started with the Montreal screwjob and the rise of Mr. McMahon.

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Anonymous Fri 11 Aug 2023 22:59:14 No.11125163 Report

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>>11125074
Vince giveth, and Vince taketh away

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Anonymous Fri 11 Aug 2023 23:02:54 No.11125203 Report

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>>11125092
The Holy Scriptures of the Official WWE History date the start of the Attitude Era with the Austin 3:16 promo

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Anonymous Fri 11 Aug 2023 23:13:24 No.11125277 Report

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>>11124550
The shift to "attitude" was already noticable in very early 97. His promo on the RAW before WM13 is the earliest attitude era promo imo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrhwQ2zq_ec

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Anonymous Fri 11 Aug 2023 23:14:43 No.11125284 Report

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>>11124550
The attitude era ran from the Raw after WM14 through WM17

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Anonymous Fri 11 Aug 2023 23:15:33 No.11125290 Report

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>>11124550
Some fans maybe because of WWE whitewashing before Bret came back believe Bret was a wholesome goody two shoes New Gen relic who stood in the way of progress when he was there shooting and cussing alongside them.

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Anonymous Fri 11 Aug 2023 23:16:24 No.11125297 Report

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>>11125284
Ya get that out of a WWE encyclopedia, zoomie?

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Anonymous Fri 11 Aug 2023 23:16:38 No.11125298 Report

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>>11124919

Raw is War Oct 6th 1997. I believe in the same episode or the following week HBK and HHH is officially name their group Degeneration X as well.

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Anonymous Fri 11 Aug 2023 23:17:03 No.11125303 Report

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People think because he was an anti-attitude character that he wasn’t part of it. Someone had to be the heel.

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Anonymous Fri 11 Aug 2023 23:17:50 No.11125306 Report

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>>11125297
I watched it all live, fellow boomie.

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Anonymous Fri 11 Aug 2023 23:18:29 No.11125311 Report

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For me the real attitude era was when Cena debuted.

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Anonymous Fri 11 Aug 2023 23:19:12 No.11125317 Report

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terry funk was part of the attitude era

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tp2Vut7SGFE

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Anonymous Fri 11 Aug 2023 23:20:44 No.11125326 Report

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>>11125277
This, this is the start. That was also the first Raw with the new set and intro.

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Anonymous Fri 11 Aug 2023 23:24:26 No.11125358 Report

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>>11125277

God damn Brett is literally the GOAT

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Anonymous Fri 11 Aug 2023 23:35:04 No.11125453 Report

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>>11125311
lol

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Anonymous Fri 11 Aug 2023 23:42:38 No.11125503 Report

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>>11125203
I disagree with that. That's more of a precursor to it, along with things like RAW magazine and Diesel's tweener turn.

To me, the Attitude Era pretty clearly begins at Survivor Series '97 with the debut of the first "WWF Attitude" promo where Bret Hart ends it with "Try lacing up my boots."

It's where the term was first used, where the DX takeover leading to Austin's run kicked off, and Vince's heel turn started.

Bret is technically part of the Attitude Era just based on that, but he's just at the nexus of the starting point.

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Anonymous Fri 11 Aug 2023 23:44:29 No.11125519 Report

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>>11124564
why didn't he move the needle for WCW?

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Anonymous Fri 11 Aug 2023 23:45:16 No.11125527 Report

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>>11125503
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEQ1tbHFlyg

This was as clear of an official beginning as you can get.

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Anonymous Fri 11 Aug 2023 23:51:20 No.11125571 Report

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>>11124564
>Bret was a draw
This sentence is only correct if the next three words are "compared to Diesel."
Bret was great in the ring, and he looked ok, too. Bret had zero charisma and was only a draw in Canada. PPV buys were huge for Hogan, Stone Cold, Rock even Cena. Compared to them, Bret was nothing.

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Anonymous Sat 12 Aug 2023 01:48:45 No.11127853 Report

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Attitude era was born with Bret/Austin in 96

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Anonymous Sat 12 Aug 2023 01:55:35 No.11128010 Report

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>>11124550
Because the first time the Attitude Era promo aired was the night of the Montreal screwjob. So he was only a part of it for a night, at least officially kek. Although I personally believed it started around September of '97 so he was there for the first few months of it.

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Anonymous Sat 12 Aug 2023 02:01:00 No.11128167 Report

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If you actually watch back '97 the second half of the year feels exactly like 98, the crowds are already red hot and loaded with signs and the angles are over, Montreal or WM14 being the 'start' just feels like revisionist WWE bullshit to cut Bret's role out of the story. He was the architect of the era imo.

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Anonymous Sat 12 Aug 2023 02:12:11 No.11128323 Report

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>>11127853
Agreed. Bret/Austin set the foundation for both Attitude Era feuds and Attitude Era matches, high intensity punch-and-brawl affairs with edgy no nonsense promos and 'shades of grey' characters. WM13 in general feels like a turning point, despite largely sucking, the Chicago Street Fight resembles the kind of trashy hardcore division match that'd be on every other show soon.

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Anonymous Sat 12 Aug 2023 02:13:27 No.11128337 Report

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>>11125277
>>11125358
He was really good on the mic in '97
Was having some of his best matches also

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Anonymous Sat 12 Aug 2023 02:13:49 No.11128346 Report

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>>11127853
This.

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Anonymous Sat 12 Aug 2023 02:17:26 No.11128384 Report

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>>11127853
Some people also say SS '96 when the crowd boo'd the baby michaels and cheered heel sid

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Anonymous Sat 12 Aug 2023 02:26:35 No.11128472 Report

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>>11124550
Ok I’ll bite

>Bret Hart was way over paid even Vince admitted that and later Bischoff
>He got any raise he wanted and even prevented other stars from coming back to WWF like Ric Flair and cried like a bitch when Vince finally said no. Even fucking Taker got on him for complaining too much
>He thought he was tough shit and the draw when in fact the ratings skyrocketed for WWF after he left and started going down for WCW. His brother Owen was the real draw and better wrestler
>All he legit did was whine and complain about Vince being mean to him when Vince gave him fame, and all the money in the world and Bret was still ungrateful. He’s literally CM Punk before there was a CM Punk I’m glad Goldberg botched and destroyed Brets career FUCK YOU BRET HART

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Anonymous Sat 12 Aug 2023 02:27:01 No.11128476 Report

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>>11124550
He started the attitude era

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Anonymous Sat 12 Aug 2023 02:30:18 No.11128502 Report

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>>11128476
Only thing he started was crying after getting KWAB’d out of his gourd by Goldberg

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Anonymous Sat 12 Aug 2023 02:32:51 No.11128519 Report

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>>11124550
Bret Hart was part of the attitude era in the same way as Herpes is part of an infected person: An embarrassment that one tries not to talk about or acknowledge, but unfortunately shows up from time to time in a manner which is inevitably sore and distressing for all concerned.

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Anonymous Sat 12 Aug 2023 02:37:45 No.11128563 Report

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>>11128472
>I’m glad Goldberg botched and destroyed Brets career

Watch that whole match. Goldberg didnt end brets career, bret did when he slammed his own head against concrete doing the ringpost submission shit on the outside.

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Anonymous Sat 12 Aug 2023 02:47:17 No.11128651 Report

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>>11128502
You mean BILL Goldberg

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Anonymous Sat 12 Aug 2023 03:00:13 No.11128784 Report

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>>11125277
This is so blatantly Attitude era stuff.

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Anonymous Sat 12 Aug 2023 03:05:43 No.11128832 Report

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>>11125317
>terry funk was part of the attitude era
No surprise there. Most of the wrestlers in the AE worshipped Funk

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Anonymous Sat 12 Aug 2023 03:08:56 No.11128850 Report

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>>11125519
ask Hogan and his boy EZE

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Anonymous Sat 12 Aug 2023 03:11:55 No.11128872 Report

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>>11128832
For good reason too, Terry's the guy to study if you want to draw dimes. Made himself relevant in every era for decades and arguably started the spark of the 90s wrestling boom by being his insane self in early regional-ass ECW and putting them on the map.

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Anonymous Sat 12 Aug 2023 03:13:05 No.11128885 Report

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>>11125519
It was already too late, and they miss used him badly

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Anonymous Sat 12 Aug 2023 03:23:31 No.11128953 Report

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>>11128472
GOOD MORNING SIR

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Anonymous Sat 12 Aug 2023 03:37:11 No.11129057 Report

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I felt it started around late '95.
>Nitro was picking up steam
>ECW was also getting attention
>Guys like Mankind, Ahmed Johnson and Goldust popped up, compared to guys like Undertaker, Yoko and Bret they had a slight edge to them, perfect for transitioning into the heavier parts of the era
>Raw looked a bit darker and grittier
>Shawn/Bret feud was getting venomous

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Anonymous Sat 12 Aug 2023 03:40:56 No.11129090 Report

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>>11124550
Pillman pulled the gun on Austin in November 96’. It would be hard to argue that isn’t part of the Attitude era. I wouldn’t know the exact day to start it, maybe the 3:16 promo at King if the Ring is as good as any. The gang wars era of RAW is 100% Attitude era and Brett was a big part of that.

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Anonymous Sat 12 Aug 2023 03:49:47 No.11129155 Report

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>>11125298
Hell yeah the USA/Canada angle and pre-DX Michaels/HHH/Rick Rude was absolutely a based period

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Anonymous Sat 12 Aug 2023 03:55:25 No.11129196 Report

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>>11124838
Nash created it. He created the nWo and the stone cold gimmick which he gave to his good friend Steve

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Anonymous Sat 12 Aug 2023 03:59:56 No.11129232 Report

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The Piper/Goldust match at WM12 was the first hardcore match, so the groundwork was already being laid in 1996

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Anonymous Sat 12 Aug 2023 04:05:58 No.11129270 Report

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>>11125277
kino

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Anonymous Sat 12 Aug 2023 04:11:49 No.11129310 Report

Quoted By: >>11129350

It was '94 easily. You can see the rise of Lex Luthor and he was like a prototype Stone Cold Steve Austin before he left to the WCW.

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Anonymous Sat 12 Aug 2023 04:13:51 No.11129323 Report

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>>11129155
The One Night Only ppv was the epitome of that era

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Anonymous Sat 12 Aug 2023 04:19:03 No.11129350 Report

Quoted By: >>11129444

>>11129310
When was Lex Luthor in WWF?

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Anonymous Sat 12 Aug 2023 04:20:43 No.11129359 Report

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1990 Hogan vs Ultimate Warrior was the start. That was basically a hardcore match before those matches existed and changed the perception of wrestling.

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Anonymous Sat 12 Aug 2023 04:22:27 No.11129365 Report

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Steve Austin stole bad news brown gimmick.

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Anonymous Sat 12 Aug 2023 04:23:50 No.11129372 Report

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Bret was always better than Shawn.

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Anonymous Sat 12 Aug 2023 04:35:59 No.11129444 Report

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>>11129350

93–95

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Anonymous Sat 12 Aug 2023 04:42:12 No.11129471 Report

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>>11129444
You're shitting me. Was Superman there too?

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Anonymous Sat 12 Aug 2023 09:39:19 No.11130889 Report

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>>11129365
And Hogan ripped off Billy Graham, they both did those gimmicks better and drew money with it, what's your point faggot?

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Anonymous Sat 12 Aug 2023 09:48:45 No.11130956 Report

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This is a /hitman/ board.
Dimes there is.
Dimes there was.
Dimes there ever will be.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Aug 2023 10:47:32 No.11131424 Report

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Probably started in the late 80s with the Hogan vs King Kong bundy steel cage match. That's when attitude era elements first came into play

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Anonymous Sat 12 Aug 2023 10:58:35 No.11131501 Report

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>>11124588
I thought it was considered that the Attitude Era began with the Pillman's Got a Gun segment.

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Anonymous Sat 12 Aug 2023 11:02:28 No.11131528 Report

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Didn't start until the change to the red ropes and raw is raw branding. No earlier than that. Anything before then is late stage new gen/crossover period. It's about summer 1997. Sid isn't part of it

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Anonymous Sat 12 Aug 2023 11:11:26 No.11131604 Report

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>>11124588
>>11124550
I think it began to take shape here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6_DZbbsft8

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Anonymous Sat 12 Aug 2023 14:35:01 No.11132651 Report

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>>11131604
Bret Hart's Frustrated promos is one of the greatest ever and proof he could cut a hell of a promo. God, if only this Bret Hart had remained in WWF and worked with Stone Cold, Rock, Mick Foley, Jericho, and Angle. Life just isn't fair...

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Anonymous Sat 12 Aug 2023 14:39:48 No.11132670 Report

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>>11131604
pure strikes from the undertaker

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Anonymous Sat 12 Aug 2023 14:42:14 No.11132687 Report

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>>11124550
Brett might have physically been present but he didn’t have any attitude. Hence why he wasn’t part of the attitude era. He was just some gay boring old holdover like Bob backlund and jeans bulldog

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Anonymous Sat 12 Aug 2023 14:43:54 No.11132702 Report

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>>11125571
>Bret was great in the ring, and he looked ok, too. Bret had zero charisma and was only a draw in Canada.
Not true, dude was over as fuck when was beefing with Austin in ‘96.
>>11127853
This.

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Anonymous Sat 12 Aug 2023 14:47:31 No.11132728 Report

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>>11131604
Bret should be considered a good promo because despite not having the classic upbeat charisma the Hulks and Flairs had, every single thing he ever said sounded real and you never doubted that that was really Bret Hart

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Anonymous Sat 12 Aug 2023 14:47:36 No.11132730 Report

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>>11129471
In 2007-2014 yeah

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Anonymous Sat 12 Aug 2023 14:50:42 No.11132748 Report

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>>11132728
It’s fake pendejo

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Anonymous Sat 12 Aug 2023 14:52:12 No.11132757 Report

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>>11132748
>realism and suspense of disbelief? it's fake lol

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Anonymous Sat 12 Aug 2023 14:56:01 No.11132786 Report

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>>11132757
It’s fuckin fake lol
>every single thing he ever said sounded real and you never doubted that that was really Bret Hart
the real Bret hart is some dude named Chris from Canada who likes playing with model trains. He didn’t give a shit about anything he said on the show, he’s a paid actor. You think the rock is really black Adam? Lmfao what a mark

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Anonymous Sat 12 Aug 2023 15:24:21 No.11132955 Report

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People claiming that Attitude started with Austin winning the title is always so weird when WWF themselves had used the Attitude marketing phrase for like half a year before that. Hart wasn't really part of it though since they started the marketing exactly when Hart left.

When it comes to the actual product it was a gradual change and there were lots of Attitude style segments as early as 1996 but generally I would say that there was a noticeable change after WM13 when Hart Family forms and Sid fucks off. That's also pretty much when the product became consistently good.

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