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Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2023 08:27:10 No.12261483 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>12261669 >>12261705 >>12261722 >>12262094 >>12262145 >>12262174 >>12262185 >>12262217 >>12262268 >>12262539 >>12262740

Help me understand something.
>AEW fans are slavishly devoted to the product, will pop for anything, and will defend it at all costs
>No casual fans care about AEW
>The AEW product in 2023 is ice cold
>Attendance and viewership has gone way down lately
Then who the fuck was watching the shows before? Who tuned out? CM Punk fans? Old people who watch whatever on cable?

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Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2023 08:29:58 No.12261490 Report

Quoted By: >>12261866

Smackdown was cancelled

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Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2023 08:33:47 No.12261504 Report

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They have about the same amount of fans but testing their patience with three shows.
>AEW fans are slavishly devoted to the product, will pop for anything, and will defend it at all costs
You're confused, that's having good will with the fans, WWE used to have it to.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2023 09:00:09 No.12261593 Report

Quoted By: >>12261644 >>12261702

The main culprit is the expansion to 5 hours per week of 'canon' AEW content - 4 if we exclude Rampage, which often is inconsequential other than the occasional blow-off match. There's enough fans who follow WWE Raw and Smackdown and didn't mind watching AEW on Wednesday nights - and just ignored Rampage or watched highlights. Now, in order to follow both WWE and AEW, you need a minimum of 9 hours (plus PLEs/PPVs), preferably 10, and that's just too much for a lot of non-diehards

You tune into Dynamite after a few weeks - where's Andrade and Miro? - so you decide to tune into Collision. Miro and Andrade are there, Orange is there one week...but then not again for the next 3 weeks? But why? I didn't see the Hardy's at all....oh, they got their match on Rampage (Seriously?!). Maybe you're a big Statlander fan - but Hikaru/Toni Storm storyline is primarily on Wednesday and Stat is on Saturdays - but sometimes, the girls Stat is feuding with have matches on Wednesday/Friday, like Abadon earning thineself a title shot. It's much more difficult to follow the AEW side with so many top acts appearing across 3 different nights.

9 Hours weekly is too much content for casual fans to follow both promotions, so 100k plus lean-WWE fans just dropped AEW altogether or only watch on a special occasion (Punk debut, Dragon/Cole debut, Grand Slam, etc). It's also possible some lean-AEW fans dropped all/most WWE content once Collision started, but that number must have been much smaller - and it's much easier to watch all of Raw and only Smackdown highlights, or vice versa, when there's a largely adhered-to WWE brand split.

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I say all this as someone who doesn't watch WWE at all but goddamn AEW "fans" are insufferable, like the retard who won't answer a question or criticism, just responds with "Smackdown was cancelled, ahahhaha" - which is about as stupid as describing you getting $400k for the house you paid $250k for as "u lost ur house, ur homeless, lol". Faggot.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2023 09:20:33 No.12261644 Report

Quoted By: >>12261866

>>12261593
>dude words
Smackdown was cancelled btw

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2023 09:23:30 No.12261652 Report

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pro wrestling is an industry where people will stop watching for weeks or months or years at a time. It's a big part of why you need mainstream crossovers and big matches and events to draw lapsed viewers back in. WWE has the royal rumble and wrestlemania, AEW has nothing like that.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2023 09:28:23 No.12261660 Report

Quoted By: >>12262922

aew fans in general just stopped going. people naturally get bored of shit after a while. especially something like aew where every week is skippable and nothing must-see ever happens. it is the same over and over and over. even redditors will get bored eventually when there's no storylines or intrigue

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Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2023 09:37:01 No.12261669 Report

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>>12261483
>>Attendance and viewership has gone way down lately
It's actually stabilised somewhat and they're on the rise. The issue is that they're running 2 shows. It's literally the same amount of people attending every week, they're just divided with 2 shows. WWE went through a similar cold period, promotions eb and flow.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2023 09:41:12 No.12261683 Report

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AEW fans are fickle trannies who need to create new genders weekly to try to feel important and once that importance is gone and they can't identify with something anymore, they just kill themselves. It was always a mistake to cater your booking towards a fanbase that doesn't reproduce and kills themselves at a 41% rate.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2023 09:45:54 No.12261702 Report

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>>12261593
We don't sign our posts here.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2023 09:46:27 No.12261705 Report

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>>12261483
it became WWE lite with all the ex wwe castoffs they signed

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2023 09:49:43 No.12261722 Report

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>>12261483
Lapsed AE and RA era fans who wanted AE and RA content from a non-PG show but received dimeless CAWs instead. Also people who don't like WWE but still felt the urge to watch high budget wrestling on a weekly basis, even though AEW looks like a glorified indy fed that runs on pennies.

It's a damn shame because WWE really needs some competition.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2023 09:52:44 No.12261734 Report

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I stopped watching in mid 2022 when it became apparent that it was no longer All Elite Wrestling and it became All Exfed Wrestling, and not in the cool way like with Mox/Danielson/Jericho where they were working with and against the NJPW/RoH/Indie guys. There was a show back in late 2022 where every featured match had dimeless Exfed guys wrestling other dimeless Exfed guys, and the only buffer match was a RoH title match or some shit, where I just stopped watching

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Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2023 10:54:54 No.12261866 Report

Quoted By: >>12261919

>>12261644
>>12261490
AEW is failing because SmackDown was cancelled?
What do you mean?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2023 11:06:24 No.12261919 Report

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>>12261866
>SmackDown
>cancelled?

afraid so

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2023 11:35:29 No.12262056 Report

Quoted By: >>12262116 >>12262133

Roster bloat at the expense of the originals

People will shit on the vanilla midgets or whatever, but the roster who were there before or during the lockdown shows are the ones people got invested in. Now you only really see the Elite, Mox, Jericho, OC, Kris and Shida

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Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2023 11:42:19 No.12262094 Report

Quoted By: >>12262123

>>12261483
after TNT cancelled Dynamite, it lost a lot of its prestige

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Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2023 11:47:33 No.12262116 Report

Quoted By: >>12262123

>>12262056
The only guys that I can think of you used to see more but fell off are Butcher and the Blade, Sydals, Angelico, Workhorsemen and The Factory, Santana and Ortiz too, but that's because of drama more than anything.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2023 11:50:01 No.12262123 Report

Quoted By: >>12262127 >>12262128

>>12262094
You're thinking of FOX with Smackdown or USA with NXT I'm afraid.

>>12262116
Mike Sydal was only wrestling because the rona shutdown his day job.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2023 11:51:40 No.12262127 Report

Quoted By: >>12262133

>>12262123
Huh, what's his day job? But either way, my point is it's really not all that much different. I'd add Lance Archer too, but he was always kinda stop and start.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2023 11:53:27 No.12262128 Report

Quoted By: >>12262133

>>12262123
no aew was cancelled two weeks ago and in two more weeks its getting cancelled again. deal with it. you were born a man and now youre an artificially estrogenated freak show. deal with it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2023 11:54:19 No.12262133 Report

Quoted By: >>12262137

>>12262127
I believe he's an instructor of some kind

>>12262128
Denying reality won't change it, piggy.

>>12262056
Who's not getting TV and should be?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2023 11:56:08 No.12262137 Report

Quoted By: >>12262181

>>12262133
it literally will. affirm

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2023 11:58:17 No.12262145 Report

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>>12261483
I used to watch it but it got too gay and shit so I stopped. It was last actually decent in 2021 and there was hope it'd get really good when Punk and Byan came in but Tony Khan is one of the worst bookers of all time and it is never going to improve until he hires someone else to take control creatively.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2023 12:04:22 No.12262174 Report

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>>12261483
I guess I'm one of the people you're talking about. I think I stopped giving a shit sometime during Hangman's reign and shit has overall gotten worse since that time. Attendance has gone down every single time they've had shows here (Pittsburgh), and I expect that number to decline further when they bring Rampage/Collision here in a bit under 2 weeks. It's not 1 thing in particular, the shows are just fucking aimless and feel random as fuck.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2023 12:06:23 No.12262181 Report

Quoted By: >>12262199 >>12262229 >>12262369

>>12262137
Yeah, and next manifest a renewal for Smackdown KEK

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2023 12:06:55 No.12262185 Report

Quoted By: >>12262794

>>12261483
>>AEW fans are slavishly devoted to the product, will pop for anything, and will defend it at all costs
not true
>>No casual fans care about AEW
casuals don't exist
>>The AEW product in 2023 is ice cold
not true
>>Attendance and viewership has gone way down lately
not true

Any conclusions you derived from a foundation of lies will be incoherent.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2023 12:10:54 No.12262199 Report

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>>12262181
morning sirs, why ya boilin

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Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2023 12:15:42 No.12262217 Report

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>>12261483
>AEW fans are slavishly devoted to the product, will pop for anything, and will defend it at all costs
This is the part that's not true. A couple of permanent Tony Khan ass slurpers do exist on twitter, but for the 99% of the fanbase who aren't mentally ill and obsessed with a console war, there DOES exist a point where they will admit they are bored and leave

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Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2023 12:20:50 No.12262229 Report

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>>12262181
Smackdown total billion victory Affrim

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Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2023 12:29:32 No.12262268 Report

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>>12261483
Can't speak for anyone else, but I used to watch to see what was different. And when it saw just a WWE cover band, I watched to see funny botches and memes. But I'm not sitting through a bunch of Meltzer-bait, with annoying commentary, just for a few keks. And the botches became less funny and more dangerous. So I stopped watching, and check 4chan to see if anything of note happened. Spoiler: nothing happens.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2023 12:59:51 No.12262369 Report

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>>12262181
He did, with .4 billy more.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2023 13:26:27 No.12262461 Report

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AEW fans like work rate over storyline. Simple 'as.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2023 13:40:37 No.12262539 Report

Quoted By: >>12262554 >>12262629 >>12262661

>>12261483
I think a lot of people just fell off due to bad/no stories, dumb booking, indie bullshit Canadian destroyer table matches, jungle boy, poor excuses for refs, every match having no rules, underused talent, the multi man tag matches, lack of Danhausen, lack of Kenny, too much Jericho, and so on. And once punk left it just wasn’t worth it anymore. We know MJF will jump ship, FTR probably will sooner or later, and anyone else worth while will.

I don’t want it to happen. The punk era of AEW was the best wrestling show since….fucking forever imo. Until double or nothing when hangman single handedly sunk the company.

I wish it didn’t happen. I hope they fix it. There was so many dream matches to be had. But putting MJF vs Omega on your B show with 0 build tells you everything you need to know about the problems at AEW.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2023 13:42:21 No.12262554 Report

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>>12262539
Cry me a river.

FTR is signed into 2027 lols

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Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2023 13:55:51 No.12262629 Report

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>>12262539
>The punk era of AEW was the best wrestling show since….fucking forever imo.
not even the best era of AEW lmao.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2023 14:00:52 No.12262661 Report

Quoted By: >>12262674

>>12262539
Punk's booking on Collision was top tier. Anyone who says otherwise is either blind or retarded.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2023 14:03:58 No.12262674 Report

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>>12262661
>30 minute tag matches main eventing
nah

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Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2023 14:12:25 No.12262720 Report

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I honestly think it's a mix of

>no interesting storylines happening and many being hampered because of injuries and shit
>movesets are too similar for many people, less of a surprise factor
>matches are way too long and if you make them shorter the moveset problem becomes smaller
>running the same areas over and over again
>women main eventing any weekly shows
>too many matches thrown around with no buildup
At least Tony is getting a clue by featuring Dalton Castle more

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2023 14:17:00 No.12262740 Report

Quoted By: >>12262813

>>12261483
>viewership has gone way down lately
not true, dynamite is still on average the same as it has been for the past 3 years. You just think it's lower because it didn't hit your beloved million number a few times.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2023 14:27:28 No.12262794 Report

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>>12262185
>casuals don’t exist
>smackdown gets 2 million viewers
>raw gets 1.7 million viewers
>dynamite gets 800k viewers
>1 million subscribers to old network, peacock has about the same watching WWE PLEs allegedly
>last ppvs for WWE had 500k and 200k buys
>AEW’s biggest PPV allegedly did 200k and averages around 130k buys

So you are saying 600-700k lonely AEW fans pirate the PPV? Same with WWE?

They are called casuals.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2023 14:29:53 No.12262813 Report

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>>12262740
>dynamite is still on average the same as it has been for the past 3 years
>37 weeks of no milly, it's longest no milly streak in history
>its new ceiling is 800k
I don't think you know what an average is

Fair-Minded Anon !CcMser0ahk

Fair-Minded Anon !CcMser0ahk Mon 13 Nov 2023 14:48:42 No.12262922 Report

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>>12261660
This plus some fans of Cody and Punk left plus WWE improved and has more must-see stuff in the eyes of the fans. Not many people in Chicago will pick seeing the normal AEW show over Survivor Series with Ortom and Punk both rumoured to be coming back.

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