>>13492667There's a line for sure. Snug worked strikes are ideal. Then there are things like chops where it's gotta be a shoot in order to even work. But when you get to shit like Shibata though where the retard has to shoot headbutt people into giving himself brain damage in order to get over is where the plot is lost. Wrestling is a work. If you have to do shoot stuff like that to the point it's detrimental to your health then you either suck at wrestling or you're just a mark for yourself