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Anonymous Wed 21 Feb 2024 02:51:06 No.13493547 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>13493559 >>13494305 >>13495067 >>13496389

>watching Samoa Joe vs Low Ki in ROH 2002
>commentators: this is real professional wrestling, not that sports entertainment crap
kek what a based vibe. fuck the fed

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Feb 2024 02:51:42 No.13493559 Report

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>>13493547
joe is a fucking baller

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Anonymous Wed 21 Feb 2024 02:56:57 No.13493622 Report

Quoted By: >>13494276 >>13494277 >>13494293 >>13494304 >>13494319 >>13494369 >>13494813 >>13496437

>Watch anything not WWE
>This is real wrestling folks! Not like that WWE crap!
>Almost all top guys are pre or post WWE, WWE style booking and presentation, WWE inspired ring setup, WWE style commentary, WWE style match layouts, just with more moves they can't do properly 100 percent of the time and more false finishes, built to with WWE style promos. The more money they make the more they become like WWE

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Anonymous Wed 21 Feb 2024 04:06:53 No.13494276 Report

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>>13493622
All these indie fggots are little shithead faggots who think their shit smells good simply because they're confined to an eternal echo chamber in the bingo halls. All these fags get exposed hard whenever they're put in front of an actual audience

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Feb 2024 04:06:54 No.13494277 Report

Quoted By: >>13494319 >>13494355

>>13493622
>WWE invented rings
nigger, I....

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Anonymous Wed 21 Feb 2024 04:08:40 No.13494293 Report

Quoted By: >>13494319 >>13494355

>>13493622
>WWE invented promos, WWE invented matches, WWE invented commentary

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Anonymous Wed 21 Feb 2024 04:10:10 No.13494304 Report

Quoted By: >>13494319

>>13493622
>>Almost all top guys are pre or post WWE, WWE style booking and presentation, WWE inspired ring setup, WWE style commentary, WWE style match layouts, just with more moves they can't do properly 100 percent of the time and more false finishes, built to with WWE style promos. The more money they make the more they become like WWE

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Anonymous Wed 21 Feb 2024 04:10:13 No.13494305 Report

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>>13493547
link to the match

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ni8x8rveuuM

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Feb 2024 04:12:07 No.13494319 Report

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>>13493622
Kek, it do be like that.
>>13494277
>>13494293
>>13494304
Worked smarks.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Feb 2024 04:16:49 No.13494355 Report

Quoted By: >>13494394 >>13494405 >>13494419

>>13494277
>>13494293
PG Era retards who populate the anti-WWE fagtard community.
The rings used in most places are based on the changes WWE made to rings, they even copy WWE ropes which are notorious for not being good for top rope spot shit, hence the constant rope related botches. The way segments and promos are put together and how they arr delivered is based on the standard that WWE set. The way the matches are put together is based on how WWE do it. Even when they do the 'oldschool stipulation' matches or le epuc Japanese style matches or 60 min shit or cage matches or whatever... all of it is how the WWE do it, not classic wrestling like territories or actual old Japanese style. Learn something about wrestling instead of shilling WWE-lite all the time.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Feb 2024 04:18:44 No.13494369 Report

Quoted By: >>13494654 >>13496781

>>13493622
Here is a list of good US feds since the death of ECW that were not “that wwe crap”:
TNA before hogan
ROH before steen/generico
Lucha underground
Thats it, thats the list

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Feb 2024 04:21:35 No.13494394 Report

Quoted By: >>13494414 >>13494422

>>13494355
Nice mark headcanon. The reality is
>WWE copied AWA
>WWE copied Crockett
>WWE copied WCW
>WWE copied ECW
>WWE copies AEW

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Feb 2024 04:23:27 No.13494405 Report

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>>13494355
my favorite is when faggots like Christopher Daniels like to say they worked in Japan
as if getting booked in Michinoku Pro puts you on the level of guys like Stan Hansen or Benoit and Eddie

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Anonymous Wed 21 Feb 2024 04:25:11 No.13494414 Report

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>>13494394
WWE copied other things then WWE-ized it and that became the standard. Nobody is doing AWA or Crocket promos. If they do try and be le oldschool, they do it how WWE does it, shot the way WWE shoots it, and structured the way WWE structures it. They don't do territory cage matches, they do WWE cage matches and le epic Mankind spots and everyone in and out the cage and tons of weapons, etc.
Everyone tries to act like they are real wrestling or hardcore when everything they do is inspired by the sports entertainment way. It's a joke

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Anonymous Wed 21 Feb 2024 04:26:34 No.13494419 Report

Quoted By: >>13494510

>>13494355
Wrong. WWE promos are all plastic catchphrase slinging shit. Nothing like Briscoes, Punk, Eddie Kingston, Jimmy Jacobs
which are more influenced by Dusty, Piper, Flair, Funk

WWE matches don't have extended mat based wrestling or UWF shoot style influence. They all have a boring ass formula worked to the TV format typically about 5-10 minutes long. You don't see matches like Joe/Punk or Danielson/Roddy anywhere in WWE. Worse, ROH started after WWE was in the attitude era and the matches were secondary.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Feb 2024 04:27:34 No.13494422 Report

Quoted By: >>13494460

>>13494394
>WWE copies AEW
Most of the people getting pushed in AEW are ex-WWE guys

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Anonymous Wed 21 Feb 2024 04:28:03 No.13494424 Report

Quoted By: >>13494432 >>13494438 >>13494924 >>13495009 >>13496652

This sucked.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Feb 2024 04:29:03 No.13494432 Report

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>>13494424
nah it looks based and SOVL af

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Anonymous Wed 21 Feb 2024 04:30:16 No.13494438 Report

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>>13494424
that's not the match I watched

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Anonymous Wed 21 Feb 2024 04:31:33 No.13494446 Report

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>unironic piggiE squealing

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Anonymous Wed 21 Feb 2024 04:34:06 No.13494460 Report

Quoted By: >>13494557

>>13494414
>WWE copied other things then WWE-ized it and that became the standard
So you admit they stole it? WWE's greatest era is them practically ripping off ECW almost in its entirety. WWE was just the biggest promotion and bullied the smaller ones and that's how it became what it is, not because of some ingenuity or them producing some great product.
>>13494422
We're not talking about wrestlers but the product itself. I can also say that Cody is the main star in WWE and we all know where the 'American Nightmare' stuff came from. I can also say AEW has copied some of WWE's stupid shit such as the LED cancer, so in this case it isn't that black and white. But the notion that WWE created some unique product is incredibly retarded.

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Cumbia for the cumbia gods Wed 21 Feb 2024 04:34:21 No.13494462 Report

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You wanted real competition joe

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Anonymous Wed 21 Feb 2024 04:40:38 No.13494502 Report

Quoted By: >>13494536 >>13494561

ROH was based until Gayb left. I don't care what some dronies say.

If you watched WWE at the time, there were some nuggets of gold in that piece of shit, but for most part it was still a piece of shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Feb 2024 04:41:30 No.13494510 Report

Quoted By: >>13494613

>>13494419
Punk's biggest promo which influenced so many indie guys was the idea of Vince and HHH brainstormed ideas with him.
When those guys cut promos, they don't cut them in the territory format, they do it in the WWE style and it often leads to WWE mic battles.
WWE has had extensive mat and le shoot wrestlers for decades, many of which are the favorites and inspirations for these guys. If any company gets tv they eventually make the match structure even more like WWE.

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Cumbia for the cumbia gods Wed 21 Feb 2024 04:44:07 No.13494525 Report

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The ballad of the dalton gang

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Anonymous Wed 21 Feb 2024 04:46:06 No.13494536 Report

Quoted By: >>13494561

>>13494502
Old ROH with 2 camcorders in a New Jersey YMCA could put on better shows than Tony Khan can manage with the same brand name and a billion dollars

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Anonymous Wed 21 Feb 2024 04:49:21 No.13494557 Report

Quoted By: >>13494756

>>13494460
Argument isn't 'WWE good, other stuff bad' or vice-versa. It's that the notion that these other companies are real wrestling is retarded since they are mostly based off WWE sports entertainment. Most of WWE's stuff is either taken from elsewhere or someone came in from elsewhere and brought the style or ideas or gimmick with them. What WWE did was format it and create a standard that almost everyone else then just assumed was wrestling, even the things like the ropes, previously stated, which make no sense to use. Although WWE did create many new things or pioneer things, these were mostly on the business or production side. Off the top of my head, one wrestling thing is that Vince Sr. structured matches and shows to condition fans and reduce heat so there weren't riots or fans attacking wrestlers anymore.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Feb 2024 04:49:53 No.13494561 Report

Quoted By: >>13494840 >>13495079

>>13494502
>>13494536
Wrestling died in 2009 desu
>Danielson/McGuinness leave ROH
>Hogan/Bischoff take over TNA
>Jeff Hardy leaves WWE
>Misawa dies in the ring
>Generation Me/Young Bucks start getting popular
The entire industry has been soulless garbage ever since

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Feb 2024 04:56:06 No.13494613 Report

Quoted By: >>13494735

>>13494510
Punk's best promos are in ROH which were inspired by ECW and Piper. The pipebomb itself is an ROH callback. No, WWE does not have mat based or shoot style wrestling. It has pretend technical wrestling like Kurt Angle and guys like Benoit or Regal carrying over what they learnt before WWE but having to dumb down to make their wrestling flashier and "exciting" for TV.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Feb 2024 05:03:00 No.13494654 Report

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>>13494369
Pretty much, and even 2000s tna was very similar to wwe

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Anonymous Wed 21 Feb 2024 05:13:33 No.13494735 Report

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>>13494613
ECW is angles taken from territories and stuff like the concession stand brawl put into a more WWE style format but still 'edgy'. ECW was also funded by WWE for a long time. Piper's most famous promos were in WWE and a lot of his older stuff was not available to see at the time. Punk also loved Austin and Bret, etc.
>A real Olympic wrestler is pretend, my 120lb indie guy is real technical wrestling
Owen Hart used to do 15-30 minute mat-based matches and le shoot movez on house show circuits for WWF for years. They had many wrestlers like that, and many shooters in the Vince Sr. days. Other feds may have stuff your prefer or presented slightly differently or with different freedoms or restrictions, that doesn't make it le real wrestling and WWE fake sports entertainment, especially when a large percentage of what they are doing is still based on the WWE standard, just not move for move.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Feb 2024 05:15:33 No.13494756 Report

Quoted By: >>13494802

>>13494557
>Argument isn't 'WWE good, other stuff bad' or vice-versa. It's that the notion that these other companies are real wrestling is retarded since they are mostly based off WWE sports entertainment
Nothing is based on WWE's 'sports entertainment' because WWE didn't come with that specific product, they just coined the term. What you're trying to say is that since WWE stole the product, now its theirs and everyone is copying them which is stupid as fuck. No, WWE didn't invent the ring, they didn't invent the ropes nor the commentary or whatever the fuck headcanon you just made, they have invented next to nothing in terms of wrestling, they borrowed it and incorporated it into their product just as other wrestling companies have done the same. I also have no idea what you're trying to imply with the ropes and "structured matches" and shit. Both existed before WWE and weren't invented by WWE

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Anonymous Wed 21 Feb 2024 05:21:41 No.13494802 Report

Quoted By: >>13494825

>>13494756
Not what I am saying at all, either you misunderstood everything or are emotionally invested to the point where you wont hear anything different than what you want.
The ropes WWE used were made differently than other ropes and were not good for top rope stuff. Other companies started after WWE started using these ropes then started using these ropes just because, even though many companies have an abundance of guys doing top rope spots, and as a result you have an abundance of top rope botches. An example of how WWE things just became the standard even when counterproductive. No, WWE did not invent the idea of a rope, they used a certain kind that wasn't the exact same as other before and it became the standard.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Feb 2024 05:23:30 No.13494813 Report

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>>13493622
spbp
obese smarks eternally worked

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Anonymous Wed 21 Feb 2024 05:23:56 No.13494819 Report

Quoted By: >>13494823 >>13494856

I see WWE fans are now pretending AJPW, NJPW, CMLL, AJW, Rings, UWF, AWA, NOAH, Battlarts, GAEA, Crockett, pre-Nitro WCW, 90s ECW and 2000s ROH are just like Attitude Era and Ruthless Aggression Era WWE with the bra and panties, DX, celebrities and other silly sports entertainment shit.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Feb 2024 05:24:45 No.13494822 Report

Quoted By: >>13494828 >>13494991

WWE had secured it's monopoly. The whole point of ROH was to be counter programming to the WWE. The code of honor was just a kayfabe way to tell the fans they weren't gonna get a bunch of run ins and dqs like they were seeing on tv.
Try not to take it personally.

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Cumbia for the cumbia gods Wed 21 Feb 2024 05:24:50 No.13494823 Report

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>>13494819
Not my fault paul listened and had hotdogs and u don't

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Anonymous Wed 21 Feb 2024 05:25:08 No.13494825 Report

Quoted By: >>13494874

>>13494802
I don't understand what you're trying to say about the ropes since granted this is the first time I'm hearing about this. What was it so specific about WWE's ropes and who adopted it?

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Anonymous Wed 21 Feb 2024 05:25:20 No.13494828 Report

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>>13494822
Zandig was based

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Anonymous Wed 21 Feb 2024 05:28:10 No.13494840 Report

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>>13494561
Very true, I wish more people had the courage to say this.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Feb 2024 05:31:57 No.13494856 Report

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>>13494819
but nobody said that, and can you name one time a cmll commentator said 'this is the real stuff, not like that sports entertainment crap'? btw, NJPW took many things from WWE at different times, especially late 90's or more recent years

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Anonymous Wed 21 Feb 2024 05:36:02 No.13494874 Report

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>>13494825
WWF was using a different ring and ropes setup than other companies, many complained. Everyone's favorite podcast man tried to get Vince to change it to be more like a territory ring he preferred which was easier to bump on and easier to do top rope stuff with. He succeeded in convincing Vince to change the way the ring was made, but when he asked them to make the ropes out of a certain kind of cable, they fucked up and ordered the wrong size which was too thick and then Vince never entertained the idea again so the ropes stayed. WWE ropes are looser, especially in the corners so it is way harder to balance and way easier to slip, and everyone preffered older ropes or elevator cables, but Vince never changed it and everyone else just started using the Vince ropes, which nobody preffered

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Anonymous Wed 21 Feb 2024 05:48:57 No.13494924 Report

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>>13494424
Garbage, I watched than for sting not these faggots

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Anonymous Wed 21 Feb 2024 06:00:37 No.13494991 Report

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>>13494822
>Try not to take it personally.
Impossible, WWE is my life. I'm not a pro wrestling fan, I'm a WWE fan. Also, fuck Sheamus and his ungrateful ass.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Feb 2024 06:03:54 No.13495009 Report

Quoted By: >>13495048

>>13494424
I hate how their strikes land and are performed with intisity. Also what's with those facials expressions? It makes me uncomfortable to think they might be mad and not just friends playing. Much better to have a deadpan expression.
So happy modern wrestling is so sloppy and heatless. Much nicer to watch.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Feb 2024 06:11:53 No.13495048 Report

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>>13495009
>intisity

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Anonymous Wed 21 Feb 2024 06:14:49 No.13495067 Report

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>>13493547
ROH was the same company that was founded by Jew Pedophile Rob Feinstein right?

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Anonymous Wed 21 Feb 2024 06:17:10 No.13495079 Report

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>>13494561
Everything died in 2009, wrestling was just another casualty bro…

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Anonymous Wed 21 Feb 2024 11:31:17 No.13496389 Report

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>>13493547
Based. Wrestling sucks unless the wrestlers are stiffing each other and dropping each other on their heads.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Feb 2024 11:33:22 No.13496401 Report

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>Garbage, I watched than for sting not these faggots

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Anonymous Wed 21 Feb 2024 11:39:47 No.13496437 Report

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>>13493622
this obviously true post really bothered them

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Feb 2024 12:27:48 No.13496652 Report

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>>13494424
Damn, Fatmoa Joe never could throw a convincing strike. Those slaps in particular are straight up embarrassing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Feb 2024 12:54:19 No.13496781 Report

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>>13494369
My picks:

Jarrett's TNA (Asylum Era and Impact zone)
Juggalo Championshit Wrestling
Wrestle Society X
Zandig's CZW
Jersey All Pro Wrestling (better than ROH)
Lucha Underground
Urban Wrestling Federation

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