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Anonymous Thu 23 May 2024 22:07:46 No.14722316 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>14722331 >>14722337 >>14722371 >>14722475 >>14722543 >>14722767 >>14722818 >>14723759 >>14724475 >>14724695

I wonder what really made people tune out of wrestling in 2001. Was it Stone Cold’s heel turn?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2024 22:10:18 No.14722331 Report

Quoted By: >>14724225

>>14722316
It was WWE buying WCW

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2024 22:11:28 No.14722337 Report

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>>14722316
No it was shawn michaels injury and not thinking hed be back

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2024 22:18:08 No.14722371 Report

Quoted By: >>14722444

>>14722316
When people realized Stone Cold was a fraud

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2024 22:28:39 No.14722438 Report

Quoted By: >>14722448

People had already started to tune out in late 1999, this is when WCW tanked too, it's probably just the wrestling fad dying off rather than something you can blame on a specific booking decision.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2024 22:28:48 No.14722440 Report

Quoted By: >>14722504

A lot of bad for business shit happened then

>Rating wars ended, causing some boredom with fans
>Rock became part time and then left altogether
>Stone Cold walked out and then retired from in ring competition
>HHH being forced down everyone’s throats

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2024 22:29:36 No.14722444 Report

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>>14722371
How was he a fraud? You are mistaken for Shawn Michaels

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2024 22:30:17 No.14722448 Report

Quoted By: >>14722473 >>14722754

>>14722438
Something in particular made every departing fan go “I’m gonna stop watching this”

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2024 22:32:24 No.14722473 Report

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>>14722448
>Something in particular
booker t's dei shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2024 22:32:31 No.14722475 Report

Quoted By: >>14722511

>>14722316
Keep in mind this was followed directly by The Invasion, which initially had some juice but ratings plummeted fast when people realized no one they wanted was showing up. Just a one-two-punch of stupid bullshit nobody wanted to watch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2024 22:36:19 No.14722504 Report

Quoted By: >>14722703

>>14722440
>Eddie dies after being WWE champ
>Brock leaves after he and Goldberg had a bad WM20 match
>Benoit dies after he went insane
>Kane jobs to Orton because Bischoff hates mask
>Hogan never liked to put over HBK or Orton as well as Brock Lesnar so he Jobs to Angle
>Booker and Angle leave for TNA because of Triple H
>Force Scott Steiner to leave because Hunter got jealous of him flirting with Stephanie
WWE was terrible during Ruthless Agression

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2024 22:36:46 No.14722511 Report

Quoted By: >>14722556

>>14722475
Not to mention Vince did everything they could to character assassinate any potential big WCW players. Even when the NWO showed up they quickly dashed that against the wall. The only WCW guy that ever felt like he was treated right was Flair.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2024 22:39:44 No.14722543 Report

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>>14722316
Oldfag here and yea I stopped around then but that's because I came of age so I didn't have time to watch it but I remember checking in like 2 years later and recognizing no one and seeing some guy named "Mr. Kennedy" that everyone wouldn't shut the fuck up about so I quite again, came back after Vince's limo blew up but then Benoit died and fucked everything up and I took like a 15 year hiatus. I regret not being their for HBKs return

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2024 22:40:32 No.14722556 Report

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>>14722511
And Booker T

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Anonymous Thu 23 May 2024 22:57:56 No.14722703 Report

Quoted By: >>14724254

>>14722504
>flirting
HEY STEPH HAVE YOU EVER BEEN SATISFIED BY A GENETIC FREAK?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2024 23:04:15 No.14722754 Report

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>>14722448
>Something in particular
You're thinking like a mark instead of a casual fan, casual fans don't throw hissy fits over a singular booking decision like marks do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2024 23:05:37 No.14722767 Report

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>>14722316
Ausitn's heel turn, combined with The Rock leaving for Hollywood, and an attempt to turn HHH and make him the big babyface for WrestleMania 18.

If you watch Two Man Power Trip matches, they are full of bullshit where HHH gets the pin when they win and Austin eats the pin when they lose, to set up HHH's claim to challenge Austin for the title down the road after a babyface turn. The quad injury was a godsend.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2024 23:07:20 No.14722782 Report

Quoted By: >>14724254

>>14722556
Booker T was able to play to his niche that was given to him and excelled at it even despite things like HHH burying him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2024 23:11:20 No.14722818 Report

Quoted By: >>14722886

>>14722316
Never understood the hate for this. It was a based development. Austin was pretty stale as a face at this point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2024 23:15:33 No.14722859 Report

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>Austin turning heel when the fans aren't ready nor wanting it
>Said heel turn was essentially the fans being told the era they currently love was actually finished
>Invasion was the mother of all dropped balls
>WCW fans get to see their favorites jobbed out and buried so they moved on too
>WWE fans get to see the WCW rivals clearly placed lower than WWF/E guys so there is no intrigue or stakes

Nothing lasts forever, hot streaks end but WWF's 2001 could have been a lot better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 May 2024 23:19:26 No.14722886 Report

Quoted By: >>14724343 >>14724716

>>14722818
Austin turning heel may have been a good move, but the team up with Vince made no sense. There was nothing ever between the two but animosity and there was nothing Vince could offer Austin to bring him over after several attempts through the late 90s rub. Sure it was shocking and got a massive pop but the justification never made sense and the follow up actions deteriorated in quality.

To turn him heel Austin needed to do something vile and personal to Rock that made sense for why Austin also was doing it and just taking it way too far.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 May 2024 01:11:52 No.14723759 Report

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>>14722316
100 percent

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Anonymous Fri 24 May 2024 02:02:45 No.14724225 Report

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>>14722331
good point

Moot

Moot Fri 24 May 2024 02:06:44 No.14724254 Report

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>>14722703
Lol
>>14722782
My uncle wanted to punch Triple H

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 May 2024 02:20:30 No.14724343 Report

Quoted By: >>14724405

>>14722886
This is complete revisionist history and always a give away people never actually watched. In two different time-periods in 99 Austin/Vince were on "good terms".

Vince asked for Austin's help to save Steph from Undertaker, Vince took multiple beatings from Taker to help Austin. Hell, Vince even beat Taker by DQ to get Austin a title match.

The Higher-Power turn happened, but even after that in September 99, Austin helped Vince win the the WWE title and reinstated him. They were friendly again up until they wrote Austin off TV at Survivor Series. Vince even went to the hospital with him.

The idea WM17 was the first time Austin/Vince were buddies is retarded.

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Anonymous Fri 24 May 2024 02:22:52 No.14724363 Report

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Vince Russo magic was gone

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Anonymous Fri 24 May 2024 02:29:16 No.14724405 Report

Quoted By: >>14724464

>>14724343
To add on to this, the crash TV style of booking played a part. Nothing meant nothing. Just between 99-00 ALL titles changed hands so many times it was crazy.

It was a fad, and like always the casuals move on to the next thing (South Park had a similar drop). People forget but at a point in time The Walking Dead was outdrawing Sunday Night Football games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 May 2024 02:29:53 No.14724409 Report

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I started getting pussy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 May 2024 02:35:24 No.14724449 Report

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for me it was invasion
it was so so so bad and i remember not liking it a lot

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 May 2024 02:37:31 No.14724464 Report

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>>14724405
I looked into the title changes from just 1999 and 2000 you pointed out and holy shit. WWE title: 17 times. IC: 22. Tag Team: 26.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 May 2024 02:39:22 No.14724475 Report

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>>14722316
Nah, it was because that was when I found out wrestling is fake

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Anonymous Fri 24 May 2024 03:02:59 No.14724614 Report

Quoted By: >>14724737

The 2nd Austin heel turn hurt them more than 1st one. They somewhat recovered after the 1st heel turn. People were hyped for Invasion and the ratings were starting to bounce back. Then they turned Austin heel a 2nd time and people had enough.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 May 2024 03:15:27 No.14724695 Report

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>>14722316
Yes, the "WHAT" chants in particular worked me into not watching for like 5 years.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 May 2024 03:19:06 No.14724716 Report

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>>14722886
Nah, him making a deal with the devil worked. Austin came back from the (kayfabe) car attack at the end of 2000 and found the WWF changed: new guy Angle as champion, the geek Triple H reigning with the McMahons, and Rock (who he'd always beaten easily in their previous feuds) as the top guy and fan favorite. There was this air of Stone Cold needing to prove that he wasn't washed up and could still dominate everyone like he did in the past. As it became clearer and clearer in the buildup that Rock was no longer below him, but evenly matched him, Austin couldn't live with the notion that he might get surpassed. He feared this so much he was willing to make a deal with the devil.

The story works. The problem is that you've now lost your fan favorite right as your other fan favorite (Rock) is off making movies in hollywood. You can't really do that storyline with nothing to fill the void after the turn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 May 2024 03:22:30 No.14724737 Report

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>>14724614
Austin turning in the Invasion was such a shit move, doubly so as he then proceeded to lose

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