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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 02:39:40 No.15237280 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>15237293 >>15237915 >>15237932 >>15238190 >>15238270 >>15240844

All the best wresters have a shoot fighting background

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 02:41:25 No.15237293 Report

Quoted By: >>15238196 >>15240890

>>15237280
The Triple H vs RVD feud is incredibly sad because it represented what the future of the sport would become less shoot amateurs and athletes and more insecure theatre nerds

Shawn Michaels is trying to correct this ship on NXT

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 04:58:21 No.15237915 Report

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>>15237280

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 05:02:39 No.15237932 Report

Quoted By: >>15238009

>>15237280
Even just having a decent high school wrestling background helps a lot. All the goats played a sport of some kind in high school or college as well

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 05:22:45 No.15238009 Report

Quoted By: >>15238667 >>15240984

>>15237932
Not Punk. And while he's clearly awkward and uncoordinated even in his best matches, he still has undeniable classic all timers and is in the GOAT discussion

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 06:33:50 No.15238190 Report

Quoted By: >>15238194

>>15237280
>All the best wresters have a shoot fighting background
Like who?

Lesnar is the only guy who comes close to being an all-time great with a legitimate shoot fighting background
Also, he was just a college wrestler which on its own you can't really call "shoot fighting" because it's an athletic contest with a point system and a lot of technical rules. He didn't even get his "Shoot fighting" background until he was already halfway finished with his pro wrestling career

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 06:36:00 No.15238194 Report

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>>15238190
Cm punk is the greatest wrestler and has a shoot fighting background

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 06:36:43 No.15238196 Report

Quoted By: >>15238239

>>15237293
>Shawn Michaels is trying to correct this ship on NXT
Most of NXT's college athletes are 3rd stringers and benchwarmers who did shit like gymnastics, cheerleading, or football

This is not a "shoot fighting background" bro lol

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 06:50:35 No.15238231 Report

Quoted By: >>15238249 >>15238708 >>15239306

>Austin
Football background, wrong
>Hogan
No athletic background at all unless you count him playing fucking baseball as a kid, wrong.
>Rock
Football background, wrong.
>Cena
Football background, wrong
etc.
Most of the GOATs played football, some of them also played basketball (Taker, Nash, Big Show), very rarely did anyone have a shooter background unless you count amateur wrestling or people who picked up martial arts midway through their career like Lesnar which is still a small number. Kys.

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 06:53:54 No.15238239 Report

Quoted By: >>15238275

>>15238196
>This is not a "shoot fighting background" bro lol

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 06:59:26 No.15238249 Report

Quoted By: >>15238661 >>15238671

>>15238231
What does this have to do with GOATs when Austin is the only one with a 5-star match?

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 07:07:17 No.15238270 Report

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>>15237280
I want a wrestler with a SHIT fighting background

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 07:08:18 No.15238275 Report

Quoted By: >>15238668

>>15238239
What does this gay shit have to do with anything

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 10:20:44 No.15238661 Report

Quoted By: >>15238678 >>15239136

>>15238249
Austin played College Football on a full scholarship and blew out his knee.
The real truth is that all the best wrestlers never wanted to be wrestlers. What sort of faggot grows up wanting to be a fake fighter? You end with people like Johnny Gargano or crash test dummy Mick Foley.
There’s a few guys that never did anything just because they are second generation and sort of born into it. Thinking of someone like Terry Funk but for the most part even second and third generation guys all want to be actual athletes and end up hurt so they fall back on wrestling. Even the Samoans don’t want to be wrestlers. If you’re a Samoan and you’re a wrestler you’re a fucking loser, a starting lineman in the NFL makes more the top ten guys in the WWE combined.

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 10:24:08 No.15238667 Report

Quoted By: >>15240984

>>15238009
Punk is the definition of an anomaly, although he’s unathletic as shit he’s such a great stage actor and writer with a perceptive mind on human emotion that it evens out

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 10:25:23 No.15238668 Report

Quoted By: >>15240906 >>15240973

>>15238275
He wants to join in the conversation but is too dumb and boring to think of anything except “uhh.... look at AEW!”

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 10:26:16 No.15238671 Report

Quoted By: >>15238777

>>15238249
5 star matches do not matter at all. Not even a little bit.

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 10:32:51 No.15238678 Report

Quoted By: >>15238725

>>15238661
I’m sure Goldberg said something along the lines of not having any interest in wrestling before joining but he knew he’d do well in it. Proper athletes have drive and physicality to be the best whereas wrestlers like Gargano or other sub-205 lbs twerps don’t have that and think it’s all about entertaining workrate marks or some gay shit.

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 10:44:50 No.15238708 Report

Quoted By: >>15240880

>>15238231
Dude I’m talking about the actual best wrestlers, not the most popular ones

Lesnar, Angle, RVD, Styles, Guerrero, Hart

These guys have the best matches consistently because they understand how a real fight would work, they perfectly blend showbiz with amateur

Taker himself was a shitter until he picked up MMA, sorry but I’m correct

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 10:49:48 No.15238725 Report

Quoted By: >>15240922

>>15238678
Those guys like Gargano try to take after the “real fighters” but they don’t actually have that background so they just do stupid shit like top rope torpedo sunset flips

What they need to do is model themselves after Christian, the reason he was so good is because he understands he’s an actor and not a shoot fighter at all, his entire character and moveset is built around being an average joe in a business with actual monsters, he’s crafty, cowardly, utilizes cheap shots and weapons, is usually on the defensive, every Christian match feels like a battle of attrition, he is the model if you didn’t have a sports or fighting career growing up

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 11:09:46 No.15238777 Report

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>>15238671
Then what does?
>le drawing money
You're not the promoter.

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 13:02:01 No.15239136 Report

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>>15238661
First part of your post I pretty much agree with, although I would give a similar reasoning to what Cornette said recently, in that all these pretend in their head that they are amazing and special and then they aren't neccessarily but refuse to accept that or strive to change and adapt then just accuse everyone of being wrong. Guys who didn't plan on wrestling were usually left fucked out of what they were betting on in life and need to make a living and succeeding in wrestling gives them their last shot, so they do whatever it takes. Cody was an exception because he NEEDED to win the title and become a draw and didn't see any other option in life. As for NFL and other sports, most players actually only take home less than a million, their pay is split between a lot of groups. Only top players make more than wrestlers after their salary is cut up.

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 13:43:43 No.15239306 Report

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>>15238231
>GOAT
>Nash

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 18:52:07 No.15240844 Report

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>>15237280
not really true

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 18:57:05 No.15240880 Report

Quoted By: >>15241523

>>15238708
None of the guys you mentioned has a shoot fighting background
>Lesnar
started shoot fighting halfway through his pro wrestling career, only has an amateur wrestling background
>Angle
Amateur wrestling, not shoot fighting
>Styles
Far as I know he has no combat background whatsoever
>Guerrero
???
>Bret Hart
He was trained by a pro wrestler using pro wrestling holds, lol

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 18:59:19 No.15240890 Report

Quoted By: >>15240908 >>15240922

>>15237293
What are you talking about? The Shawn Michaels philosophy of wrestling is completely antithetical to wrestlers having fighting backgrounds, tough guy backgrounds, real athlete backgrounds, or otherwise the perception of being legit tough guys who can whoop ass.

The overly dramatic, theatrical style of wrestling that sucks so much shit today can be traced back to guys growing up wanting to be like Shawn Michaels, who by the way has never been in a real fight in his life.

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 18:59:59 No.15240896 Report

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>riddle ex MMA
>unemployed

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 19:01:14 No.15240906 Report

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>>15238668
not many people are looking at AEW these days kek

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 19:01:32 No.15240908 Report

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>>15240890
>Shawn Michaels, who by the way has never been in a real fight in his life.
Sure he has

He got his ass beaten by a marine and they blew up the story to it being multiple marines to try and save his reputation lol

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 19:03:23 No.15240922 Report

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>>15238725
This is the best in-ring assessment of Christian I've seen. You're exactly right. Stuff like the diving reverse DDT and Killswitch uses his opponent's momentum against them. He very rarely picks anyone up. It makes it even more meaningful when he ragdolls a Rey/Matt Sydal/Darby Allin.

>>15240890
>Shawn Michaels, who by the way has never been in a real fight in his life
He was in one and got the absolute shit kicked out of him.

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 19:08:06 No.15240950 Report

Quoted By: >>15240977 >>15240983 >>15241241 >>15241541 >>15241571

Who are some of the greats who had NO physical background before pro wrestling? No football, no amateur wrestling, no MMA. I'm having a hard time thinking of anyone aside from outliers like Punk. You can't teach physicality. When a wrestler doesn't have a physical background, they have to overcome a greater obstacle in making their matches look authentic. Otherwise you get acrobatic dancers like Ospreay.

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 19:11:06 No.15240963 Report

Quoted By: >>15241554

this is a literal retard thread. you can count on one finger the amount of wrestlers that were shoot (not amateur) fighters

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 19:12:16 No.15240973 Report

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>>15238668
>“uhh.... look at AEW!”

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 19:12:42 No.15240977 Report

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>>15240950
me i just had my first match the other day

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 19:13:16 No.15240983 Report

Quoted By: >>15241001

>>15240950
You didn't say a "physical background"

You said a "shoot fighting background" lol

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 19:13:35 No.15240984 Report

Quoted By: >>15241008 >>15242245

>>15238009
>>15238667
You like Punk because he had an exquisite snake oil salesman and tardwrangler in Paul Heyman. If he never picked up the half-kike cousin from the indy gutter, Phil would be living in a trailer park angrily reminiscing about the ring rats he raped in ROH that don't ever want to see him again.

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 19:16:42 No.15241001 Report

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>>15240983
I'm not OP you fucking retard. I read the thread and got to thinking about wrestlers with sports backgrounds. Nut case.

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 19:17:47 No.15241008 Report

Quoted By: >>15241079

>>15240984
It's not your fault.

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 19:28:20 No.15241079 Report

Quoted By: >>15243261

>>15241008
>masterful perceiver of human emotions
>gets shunted out of Tony Khan's action figure collection because he got out politicked by the fucking Young Cucks and Jungle Boy

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 19:32:42 No.15241104 Report

Quoted By: >>15241141 >>15241155 >>15241183 >>15241201 >>15242657

Played college football, wrestled in college, or did other combat sports professionally/nationally
>Lesnar
>Angle
>Austin
>Rock
>Reigns
>Cena
>The Steiners (and Bron)
>Shelton Benjamin
>Chad Gable
>Goldberg
>Vader
>JBL
>Dibiase
>Pillman
>Lashley
>Shamrock
>countless Japanese guys like Nakamura, Fujiwara, Takayama, Sakuraba, Shibata

Wrestlers without
>Kenny Omega
>The Young Bucks
>Will Ospreay
>Shawn Michaels
>Seth Rollins
>Kevin Owens
>Sami Zayn
>CM Punk
>Orange Cassidy
>Adam Page
>Ricochet

Yeah I know what group I prefer and which group draws dimes.

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 19:38:32 No.15241141 Report

Quoted By: >>15241191 >>15241205 >>15241217

>>15241104
kenny omega did MMA you nerd

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 19:40:05 No.15241155 Report

Quoted By: >>15241190

>>15241104
Football is not a COMBAT SPORT you fucking retard

is this what euros and indians believe?

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 19:42:41 No.15241183 Report

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>>15241104
Playing sports in school is a great way to socialize and build your speech since everyone is always screaming at each other which helps you in wrestling with crowds/promos. Which is why a lot of indie geeks are terrible/awkward on the mic

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 19:43:13 No.15241190 Report

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>>15241155
of course it isn't but it does help to have a ballplayer's physique instead of a skinnyfat one if you want to sell someone on the look of a pro wrestler.

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 19:43:48 No.15241191 Report

Quoted By: >>15241201 >>15241217

>>15241141
Kenny doing mma is like an IT nerd taking up mma as a hobby

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 19:45:06 No.15241201 Report

Quoted By: >>15241260

>>15241104
Such a gay and biased list for a billion reasons
>football a "combat sport"
>no Hogan, Macho Man, or any other people conveniently in the "Wrestlers without" list
>no Inoki (no shoot fighting background)
And there are a million others too
>>15241191
They're your criteria retard, Kenny has more of a "shoot fighting background" than everyone on your top list other than Shamrock, Lesnar, and the Japs (who were forced to compete in MMA against their will more or less, sans Sakuraba)

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 19:46:23 No.15241205 Report

Quoted By: >>15241217 >>15241227

>>15241141
He did weekend MMA training like Punk. Doesn't count. An accountant with a blue belt in BJJ is still an account.

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 19:47:45 No.15241217 Report

Quoted By: >>15241260

>>15241141
>>15241191
>>15241205
He has more MMA fights than Brock Lesnar on his record

You're an imbecile

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 19:49:16 No.15241227 Report

Quoted By: >>15241272

>>15241205
>He did weekend MMA training like Punk.
Punk didn't do "weekend training."

He did two full fight camps, the same exact training Brock Lesnar did before entering the UFC and while he was fighting there.
The only thing different are the results, kek.

So if you can add Lesnar to your "shoot fighting background" list, Punk should be there for the exact same reasons. They did the same thing: Punk just lost.

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 19:51:07 No.15241241 Report

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>>15240950
shawn michaels. the dude set the standard for terrible wrestling for decades to come but he's over like rover to this day.

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 19:53:15 No.15241260 Report

Quoted By: >>15241302

>>15241217
OK I'm wrong on that one. I thought he was just a part time hobbyist. He has some fights in obscure companies in front of 50 people. That counts. Not even being sarcastic.

Point still stands though.

>>15241201
I wasn't naming every single one for either list. Just going off the top of my head. This isn't debate club, geek. And yeah, you can add Hogan and Savage to the bottom list sure. You can also add Triple H. So what? Top list is still vastly superior. And you can also add every other indie flippy shitter to the bottom list too, further making Hogan and Savage bigger anomalies. Should I list every single dimeless flippy shitter of the past 20 years?

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 19:54:52 No.15241272 Report

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>>15241227
Lesnar was a top tier college wrestler before wrestling, fucktard. Punk paid pro mma coaches to train him and say he's good and somehow conned Dana White into letting him fight (one of Dana's biggest regrets according to him btw)

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 19:58:19 No.15241300 Report

Quoted By: >>15241351

It comes down to jocks versus theater kids and jocks win every time. Stay malding if this bothers you, nerd.

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 19:58:32 No.15241302 Report

Quoted By: >>15241327 >>15241343

>>15241260
Your criteria is already dogshit because you're lumping in "football" as a "combat sport" so you can pad your list with Austin, Rock, Roman Reigns, and god knows how many others.

The reality is the only guys who had a SHOOT FIGHTING BACKGROUND /before/ getting into pro wrestling is a very small and meager list
>Matt Riddle
>shitters like Josh Barnett (wow)
You can't even really add Sakuraba because he was a pro wrestler before he was an MMA competitor. Can't add any of the Inoki-ism guys either.

Your list, your entire post, this entire thread fucking sucks and is based on the logic of some spiral-brained retard.

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 20:03:36 No.15241327 Report

Quoted By: >>15241349

>>15241302
>Played college football, wrestled in college, or did other combat sports professionally/nationally

Learn to grammar, retard. Reading comprehension is your friend.

I'm also not OP so I don't give a fuck about your gripe with him. I hijacked his thread to get my own point across and it made you very upset. Seems I've won. I needed some time to kill and you came along and I slapped you around for a bit, just like what would happen to any of your precious flippy shitters in a real fight.

/wooo/ closing down wasn't good for you mentally huh? Suicide is always an option for you to consider, champ.

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 20:05:11 No.15241343 Report

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>>15241302
holy shit calm down

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 20:06:11 No.15241349 Report

Quoted By: >>15241365

>>15241327
This is a wall of cope

You are clearly OP and just moved the goalposts because the entire thread was just you getting BTFO by every single anon that entered the thread

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 20:06:29 No.15241351 Report

Quoted By: >>15241450

>>15241300
It's very obvious ITT who was a bully in school and got bullied by bullies. Insecure geeks frothing at the mouth whenever this stuff comes up lmaooo

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 20:07:32 No.15241365 Report

Quoted By: >>15241442

>>15241349
Believe what you want. At the end of the day you're still going to kill yourself in your parent's basement while your Young Bucks figures watch.

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 20:18:52 No.15241442 Report

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>>15241365
I don't like the Young Cucks or GayEW so I'm afraid you're just a retard with shit opinions who will go on being oblivious to his own stinky faggotry

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 20:19:53 No.15241450 Report

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>>15241351
>40 year old man talks about high school and "being cool"
This guy is definitely a winner

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 20:30:51 No.15241523 Report

Quoted By: >>15241538

>>15240880
Amateur wrestling is fighting bro, I hate to break it to you

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 20:33:16 No.15241538 Report

Quoted By: >>15241569

>>15241523
You've never wrestled a day in your life if you think that's true

Shoot fights don't stop and reset the moment somebody's shoulders squarely hit the mat lol

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 20:33:50 No.15241541 Report

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>>15240950
Christian Punk Michaels, Kevin Owens

Thats pretty much it, you at the very least need to have a body building background to not be a shitter

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 20:35:18 No.15241554 Report

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>>15240963
Duh, that’s why I said the BEST, not ONLY, READ DUMBFUCKS

THE BEST WRESTLERS HAVE SHOOT ASSKICKING ABILITY, PERIOD POINT BLANK, THAT DOES NOT MEAN ANYONE WHO CANT SHOOT FIGHT IS A BAD WRESTLER JUST THAT THE VERY BEST OF THE BEST HAVE SOME MMA AMATUER WRESTLING JUDO BOXING OR OTHER MIXED MARTIAL ARTS BACKGROUND!!! THIS IS LITERALLY COMMON SENSE

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 20:38:23 No.15241569 Report

Quoted By: >>15241582

>>15241538
An amateur wrestler would kick the average persons ass on the street, it’s objectively a fighting style

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 20:38:30 No.15241571 Report

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>>15240950
Undertaker just played basketball lol

Also it's important to note that Kevin Nash was considered a shoot tough guy backstage just like Taker and was just another basketball guy lol

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 20:39:30 No.15241582 Report

Quoted By: >>15241597

>>15241569
Do you think karate and tae kwon do also count as "shoot fighting backgrounds" you retard?

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 20:41:12 No.15241597 Report

Quoted By: >>15241613

>>15241582
Amateur wrestling is a fighting style dipshit, end of discussion

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 20:43:17 No.15241613 Report

Quoted By: >>15241657

>>15241597
Is football a fighting style too?

dumbass

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 20:47:06 No.15241657 Report

Quoted By: >>15241722

>>15241613
Idk why you keep babbling, an amateur wrestler would probably kick your ass in seconds, it’s a fighting style lol

Having real fighting experience makes you a better fake fighter, idk why that upsets you so much, we have enough evidence to prove it

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 20:55:26 No.15241722 Report

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>>15241657
Name 10 GOAT tier wrestlers with collegiate level amateur wrestling experience

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 22:19:43 No.15242245 Report

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>>15240984
Nah, that's me

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Anonymous Mon 15 Jul 2024 23:21:10 No.15242657 Report

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>>15241104
im glad people ripped this post

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Anonymous Tue 16 Jul 2024 00:19:02 No.15243261 Report

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>>15241079
>implying any of those people should be considered human

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