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To be the GOAT, you must have both an extremely over face run and an extremely over heel run

Anonymous Thu 28 Aug 2025 16:12:55 No.18681410 View View Reply Original Report

>Hogan
PASS
>Austin
FAIL
>Rock
PASS
>Cena
FAIL
>Orton
FAIL
>Roman
FAIL
>Punk
PASS
>Cody
FAIL (for now)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Aug 2025 16:13:52 No.18681417 Report

Quoted By: >>18681455 >>18681939 >>18682822 >>18682849 >>18684090

Haitch passed both and you still hate him

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 28 Aug 2025 16:14:39 No.18681427 Report

Quoted By: >>18682704 >>18682773

>>18681410
>Bryan Danielson
PASS

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Aug 2025 16:16:39 No.18681455 Report

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>>18681417
HHH had the rare Neither

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Aug 2025 17:18:51 No.18681939 Report

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>>18681417
He always sucked as a face, always.
And his most infamous heel run led to people changing the channel and to stop watching. That's the opposite of "over".

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Aug 2025 19:27:45 No.18682704 Report

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>>18681427
the GOAT

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Aug 2025 19:29:25 No.18682719 Report

Quoted By: >>18683313 >>18683726

>>18681410
Austin was over as a heel in the Hollywood Blonds doe

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Aug 2025 19:34:40 No.18682754 Report

Quoted By: >>18683726

>>18681410
Stone Cold gimmick start off as a heel so he also pass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Aug 2025 19:36:12 No.18682759 Report

Quoted By: >>18683726

>>18681410
Orton has been a face for awhile and people love him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Aug 2025 19:37:33 No.18682773 Report

Quoted By: >>18683726

>>18681410
Austin was a heel early on and was extremely over
Roman as much as I hate him is over as face right now and was over as heel before
Phil as a face was only superficially over and it didn't translate to business
>>18681427
Same for this guy

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Aug 2025 19:40:41 No.18682789 Report

Quoted By: >>18683726

>>18681410
Kurt gets a PASS too

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Aug 2025 19:41:49 No.18682799 Report

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>>18681410
wouldn't Roman's current run count as a succesful face run? everyone loses their shit when he appears
and wouldn't Cody's Bullet Club run count as a succesful heel run?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Aug 2025 19:43:59 No.18682813 Report

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>>18681410
Shit metric, for a shit OP

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Aug 2025 19:46:07 No.18682822 Report

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>>18681417
Cunter was never good as a babyface. The only time he was good as a face was when he was in DX and that was mainly thanks to his stablemates.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Aug 2025 19:49:14 No.18682840 Report

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>>18681410
Roman is having his over face run now

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Aug 2025 19:49:44 No.18682844 Report

Quoted By: >>18685414

>>18681410
thug life cena was a heel that got over enough they turned him face. 316 austin was a heel but bret was a boring shitter and got boo'd, so they did a double turn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Aug 2025 19:50:23 No.18682849 Report

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>>18681417
HHH is a natural heel, he oozes heel aura, which is why his face work sucked.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Aug 2025 19:51:26 No.18682855 Report

Quoted By: >>18682924 >>18683726

>>18681410
By this metric Shawn Michaels is a GOAT

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Aug 2025 20:03:26 No.18682924 Report

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>>18682855
Of course Michaels is a GOAT. He was so over that even now people use his tag partner (Janetty) as an insult of being someone not over compared to someone else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Aug 2025 20:05:51 No.18682932 Report

Quoted By: >>18683726

>>18681410
>Austin wasn't over as a heel in 1996
OP fails

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 28 Aug 2025 20:07:18 No.18682939 Report

Quoted By: >>18683438 >>18683726

>>18681410
>No bret
>Austin wasn't over as a heel

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Anonymous Thu 28 Aug 2025 21:08:24 No.18683313 Report

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>>18682719
simpcuck fans always trying to bring in his midcard run in WCW that sucked so bad that he was jobbing to Jim Duggan in 3.16 seconds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Aug 2025 21:28:27 No.18683438 Report

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>>18682939
Bret was great in the ring, and that's about it, he had the personality of a brick.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 28 Aug 2025 21:31:55 No.18683465 Report

Quoted By: >>18683611 >>18685535 >>18685561

WHAT ABOUTHT ME HUH??? WHAT ABOUT SETH FREAKING ROLLINS?? GOOD GUY OR BAD GUY EVERYBODY LOVES ME

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Aug 2025 21:49:54 No.18683611 Report

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>>18683465
Always great in the ring, very inconsistent as a character, he had great moments both as a face and as a heel, but he didn't have any memorable run as either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Aug 2025 21:58:14 No.18683666 Report

Quoted By: >>18683726

>>18681410
How the fuck did Orton fail?
Also Undertaker passed

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Aug 2025 22:08:06 No.18683726 Report

Quoted By: >>18685803

>>18682719
>>18682754
>>18682773
>>18682939
>>18682932
Austin's WCW heel run was not massively over. Pre-WM13 Austin was literally so bad as a heel that he started getting cheered against the face of the company. So I was correct.
Bret did not have an extremely over heel run.
>>18682759
>>18683666
Face Orton has NEVER been company-carrying megadraw tier over. Taker does pass.
>>18682855
>>18682789
Correct

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Aug 2025 22:12:45 No.18683752 Report

Quoted By: >>18685534 >>18686783

So is Ric Flair a fail?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Aug 2025 22:13:11 No.18683753 Report

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>Kurt Angle
PASS
>Taker
PASS
>Kane
PASS
>Vince
best heel of all time, and could be a great face when he wanted like his post 9/11 promo

That is my mount rushmore btw

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Aug 2025 22:56:59 No.18684090 Report

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>>18681417
I disagree with the other anons. Haitch isn't a bad face. He's just not good enough at it to be the top face in the company. Works a lot better when he has other faces around him. Kind of like Orton.

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Anonymous Thu 28 Aug 2025 23:08:34 No.18684157 Report

Quoted By: >>18685343

>>18681410
>Edge
PASS

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2025 01:45:16 No.18685343 Report

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>>18684157
much prefer him as a heel. he's pretty lame as a face.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2025 01:51:08 No.18685374 Report

Quoted By: >>18686005

I want to say AJ Styles but sadly he never got truly over as a heel.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2025 01:51:57 No.18685379 Report

Quoted By: >>18685388 >>18685701

Thuganomics Cena was a GOAT heel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTt_mSHw2ls

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2025 01:53:29 No.18685388 Report

Quoted By:

>>18685379
Great character but they were cheering his heel character pretty early. To be fair, Hollywood Hogan and The Rock were also getting cheers as heels

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2025 01:56:20 No.18685414 Report

Quoted By:

>>18682844
FAX

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2025 01:56:56 No.18685417 Report

Quoted By:

>>18681410
cena should be a pass. he got over as a heel originally. his recent run was all triple h's faulty booking.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2025 02:03:56 No.18685458 Report

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>The Rock as a heel manage to get HHH over as a babyface
Damn, his nation work are underrate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2025 02:15:01 No.18685534 Report

Quoted By:

>>18683752
He's had good face runs, although face Flair is kinda the "you're so over you're default face" thing

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2025 02:15:08 No.18685535 Report

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>>18683465
Fucking snore city. At least young Becky was kinda hot. Not Lita hot, but kinda

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2025 02:19:53 No.18685561 Report

Quoted By:

>>18683465
He passes as the cringiest character ever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2025 02:37:30 No.18685657 Report

Quoted By:

>>18681410
Punk has fucking sucked as a babyface since he returned

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2025 02:46:13 No.18685701 Report

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>>18685379
Correct, but this zoomer is trying hard to fit in and never really watched him, only 2025 Cena. Also no retard thinks Punk was a good babyface, he would just parrot the IWC's talking points and gain brownie points from them

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2025 03:11:52 No.18685803 Report

Quoted By: >>18686386

>>18683726
Turning Taker heel has historically been like pissing up a wall. Dude was sacrificing people on a cross and speaking in tongues during the satanic panic and he still got cheered.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2025 03:53:03 No.18686005 Report

Quoted By:

>>18685374
he was the cool gaijan heel in japan

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2025 05:39:36 No.18686386 Report

Quoted By:

>>18685803
Well he was sacrificing a ho aka Steph

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2025 05:50:27 No.18686412 Report

Quoted By: >>18686821

>Piper
PASS
>Andre
PASS
>Warrior
FAIL
>Macho
FAIL (Macho was a bad heel)

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Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2025 05:54:50 No.18686424 Report

Quoted By: >>18686447 >>18686635

Hogan was technically a heel twice he came in as a heel to Andre in his Vince sr wwwf run before getting fired for rocky 3

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2025 06:01:54 No.18686447 Report

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>>18686424
pure strikes, brotherrr

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2025 07:20:40 No.18686635 Report

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>>18686424
https://youtu.be/yyDAdWVPZ7I?t=144
Early heel Hogan wearing a rainbow cape and calling Tony Atlas a brown clown

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2025 08:20:16 No.18686780 Report

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>>18681410
Cena's heel run was insanely over. And before you try to discredit it because there were cheers, they cheered NWO and Rock as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2025 08:22:00 No.18686783 Report

Quoted By:

>>18683752
Nah Ric was a great heel

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2025 08:26:07 No.18686788 Report

Quoted By: >>18686807

>>18681410
>Austin
Giga over as a heel in 97
>Cena
Giga over as a heel in 03
>Roman
Currently over as babyface

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2025 08:30:57 No.18686796 Report

Quoted By:

>Cenafags still don't get it
Cena was never have a successful babyface run thus never the goat contender, lmao.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2025 08:31:56 No.18686801 Report

Quoted By: >>18686996

Cena was extremely over as a heel you zoomer retard. He got big as a heel. So did Austin.

Orton passes, too.

Edgelord LTJ

Edgelord LTJ Fri 29 Aug 2025 08:32:45 No.18686807 Report

Quoted By: >>18686935

>>18686788
but roman was never over as a heel

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2025 08:36:35 No.18686820 Report

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>Omega
PASS

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2025 08:36:35 No.18686821 Report

Quoted By:

>>18686412
Macho was a dimes heel what are you talking about? The Steamboat and DDP feuds are some of his best work.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2025 08:38:36 No.18686829 Report

Quoted By:

>>18681410
Heels are not supposed to be "over."

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2025 09:16:55 No.18686935 Report

Quoted By:

>>18686807
>What is the bloodline
The heel who became the face of the company wasn't over?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Aug 2025 09:55:44 No.18686996 Report

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>>18686801
Being cheered as a heel doesn't count. To be over as a heel you have to be getting nuclear heat. Like sure, cena's still over during this recent heel run but thats because people still love him, not because he's getting heel heat.

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