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Anonymous Sun 23 Nov 2025 15:59:44 No.19335427 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>19335431 >>19335434 >>19335706 >>19335854 >>19335923 >>19336393 >>19338709 >>19338750 >>19339952 >>19342637

Who was the Michaels?
Akira Hokuto vs Manami Toyota
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzD_QyYB45s

Akira Hokuto vs Shinobu Kandori
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjD2-3zQoeQ

Manami Toyota vs Aja Kong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj_Bu01qvIg

Akira Hokuto vs Bull Nakano
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQbw1o6BDhM

Manami Toyota vs Mima Shimoda

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Anonymous Sun 23 Nov 2025 16:00:23 No.19335429 Report

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>Manami Toyota vs Mima Shimoda
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFU451XIcCY

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Anonymous Sun 23 Nov 2025 16:00:33 No.19335431 Report

Quoted By: >>19335492

>>19335427

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Anonymous Sun 23 Nov 2025 16:00:55 No.19335434 Report

Quoted By: >>19335752 >>19335958

>>19335427
Spamming/flooding

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Anonymous Sun 23 Nov 2025 16:01:48 No.19335441 Report

Quoted By: >>19335692 >>19339297 >>19339655

Hokuto the goat but can't dismiss dimes drawn through merch so I think Toyota gets the nod when push comes to shove

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Anonymous Sun 23 Nov 2025 16:09:34 No.19335492 Report

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>>19335431
Nice selfie faggot.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Nov 2025 16:20:56 No.19335560 Report

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>actual wrestling thread
>the terminally resident schizos come in to bitch about it
Yeah, I wonder why no one wants to post on this board.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Nov 2025 16:49:09 No.19335692 Report

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>>19335441
I mean, it raises a good question. What are we talking about when we say the Michaels? Is the person who is the GOAT and still draws like a GOAT suddenly the Jannetty if someone not quite on the same level (but still undeniably talented) happens to draw a bit better?

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Anonymous Sun 23 Nov 2025 16:50:14 No.19335698 Report

Quoted By: >>19335707

I prefer Hokuto, has better selling and fire.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Nov 2025 16:51:48 No.19335706 Report

Quoted By: >>19335726

>>19335427
Akira was sensational and you could say she's better but for me there is simply NO OTHER next to Manami Toyota

Her grace, her entrance, her simple beauty. Her absolute NO FUCKS GIVEN attitude, throwing her life to the wind to attack her opponent in any way she can. The most stylish and sloppy top rope plancha of all time, the most stylish and sloppy missile dropkicks, she can wrestle on the mat, in the air, high speed, low speed, she had power, she had technique, she had the dare devil energy. I've never, ever seen anyone like her, put everything together the way that she did.

She also wore the absolute best womens wrestling outfit of all time.

https://youtu.be/QWy2mKr2hj0

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Anonymous Sun 23 Nov 2025 16:52:09 No.19335707 Report

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>>19335698
I like Toyota a lot but I agree, Hokuto straight up scares me and that's a dimes quality for a wrestler in my book

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Anonymous Sun 23 Nov 2025 16:54:58 No.19335726 Report

Quoted By: >>19335761 >>19335822

>>19335706
Yeah, Manami was very much presentation. Which is a huge part of pro-wrestling. Still, Hokuto had so much good presentation as well and some fantastic entrance attire.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G57eypRrBzw

Manami was good looking though while Akira definitely wasn't.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Nov 2025 17:00:08 No.19335752 Report

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>>19335434
It's an actual wrestling thread with better wrestling than anything that's been done in the past 25 years so why don't you shut the fuck up for a change and actually learn something outside what you're familiar with.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Nov 2025 17:02:28 No.19335761 Report

Quoted By: >>19335776

>>19335726
She had an incredible monster heel persona with that kabuki style, oh yes. Straight out super sentai or some other retro Japanese action series.

But I just think Manami is GLOWING as a babyface. The Flying Angel is literally the most radiant wrestler I've ever seen take the stage, with her traditional gowns and elegance. Only challenged by someone like Iyo Sky, or now we have Stephanie Vaquer.

https://youtu.be/pL4RpVGlH2w

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Anonymous Sun 23 Nov 2025 17:05:45 No.19335776 Report

Quoted By: >>19335777 >>19335796 >>19338233

>>19335761
You make a very strong case, and it's so great to read someone speaking glowingly about someone instead of just shitting on the other person for a change. I mean, they're both greats.
As an aside, I feel like Aja is so underrated in this conversations. Not kino or attractive but she feels like she's always, "other person in these great matches that these greats have," it that makes sense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4055UJzn1aU

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Anonymous Sun 23 Nov 2025 17:06:46 No.19335777 Report

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>>19335776
>this conversations
*these

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Anonymous Sun 23 Nov 2025 17:11:34 No.19335796 Report

Quoted By: >>19335818

>>19335776
Oh no way, classic joshi is all appreciation all the time for me. There's no console war there. It's just good fucking wrestling, passion, incredible bumps.....pretty insane how well their work has aged. Every single match, they work like it's the main event. And now everyone is working like this, doing top rope sunset flip powerbombs and shit! Absolutely amazing to think about how good this stuff is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Aqv6OS-vbM

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Anonymous Sun 23 Nov 2025 17:17:48 No.19335818 Report

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>>19335796
As it should be. It's much better than anyone who's never seen it even suspects. Every once in a while I see threads go up by people unfamiliar with it who speculate that, if joshi existed back then, it would just be porn... it's a shame this stuff wasn't more prominent in the US at the time.
I'm thinking you posted this one in the last one of these threads I posted, I'll post it as well as counterbalance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVqfKzW7UPI

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Anonymous Sun 23 Nov 2025 17:19:10 No.19335822 Report

Quoted By: >>19335839

>>19335726
I honestly think Hokuto's presentation beats Minami's by a wide margin. Hokuto always had the elaborate entrance gears and ring gear. Minami never deviated much from the swimsuit base until she became an oba and we entered the denim pants era.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Nov 2025 17:21:36 No.19335836 Report

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Did WCW create a championship just for Minami Toyota where in the tournament to crown the first champion, Minami entered the tournament twice, with one being under a mask? I don't think so

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Anonymous Sun 23 Nov 2025 17:21:55 No.19335839 Report

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>>19335822
Hokuto had aura and when she did shit it felt like it had impact, I like modern joshi but no one today compares - not Iyo, not Mayu, no one.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Nov 2025 17:24:43 No.19335854 Report

Quoted By: >>19335916

>>19335427
Bull was better than both, but Hokuto is much better than Toyota. Toyota does more movez so Meltzer liked her and smarks are sheep.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Nov 2025 17:25:45 No.19335857 Report

Quoted By: >>19335867 >>19335878 >>19335991

GOAT theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7F83UQXf-Q

Also Akira and husbando Sasaki are relationship goals

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Anonymous Sun 23 Nov 2025 17:27:00 No.19335867 Report

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>>19335857
>ywn have loud passionate sex with Hokuto in a North Korean hotel

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Anonymous Sun 23 Nov 2025 17:29:04 No.19335878 Report

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>>19335857
Sasaki killed a guy but I feel like Akira could hold her own if they got into a fight. Not win mind you but cause a lot of damage

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Anonymous Sun 23 Nov 2025 17:39:23 No.19335916 Report

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>>19335854
Nakano was phenomenal of course but I personally prefer Hokuto. But it's nice to have some solid joshi representation in the WWE HoF.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXxnwkJMxGg

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Anonymous Sun 23 Nov 2025 17:41:16 No.19335923 Report

Quoted By: >>19335934 >>19342602

>>19335427
Saya clears

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Anonymous Sun 23 Nov 2025 17:43:36 No.19335934 Report

Quoted By: >>19337082

>>19335923
I like Saya alright but she doesn't even hold a candle and she'd be the first to tell you that.
And she doesn't draw on the level these two did.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Nov 2025 17:45:30 No.19335940 Report

Quoted By: >>19335948 >>19338791

take me back to the 90s bros

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Anonymous Sun 23 Nov 2025 17:47:13 No.19335948 Report

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>>19335940
I'd play that game.
Oh wait, I did and it was every bit as based at the time as this ad would suggest.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Nov 2025 17:50:39 No.19335958 Report

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>>19335434
Its youtube links to 80s wrestling on a wrestling board.
Meanwhile you are seemingly impersonating 4chan moderation.
Go make a nash thread faggot

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Anonymous Sun 23 Nov 2025 17:58:53 No.19335991 Report

Quoted By: >>19336012 >>19336151

>>19335857
Fuck this is an awesome pic.
Is it cool if i save a copy? I may legit get it printed on a coffee mug.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Nov 2025 18:01:52 No.19336012 Report

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>>19335991
Not only is it cool, it's absolutely imperative that you do.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Nov 2025 18:37:09 No.19336151 Report

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>>19335991
have another

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Anonymous Sun 23 Nov 2025 19:30:04 No.19336393 Report

Quoted By: >>19341285

>>19335427
Toyota was the person smarks and Meltzer loved because she did the heckin' big moverinos and wrestled a spotfest style (where she'd botch and bonce her ronce half the time). Hokuto was the actual big star of the time while she was actually around along with Aja and Kyoko. After they all left and they started pushing Toyota as the big star, she was less over than Kaoru Ito and probably LCO.

If you mean just wrestling, Hokuto was better than Toyota in-ring too.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Nov 2025 20:03:14 No.19336540 Report

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It's sad that no one goes like this anymore. Not modern joshis. Not even men. No one.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Nov 2025 20:07:43 No.19336561 Report

Quoted By: >>19336637 >>19338823

Hokuto is so far superior to Toyota as a worker that isn’t even funny. Toyota is possibly the single most overrated wrestler, a sloppy spotmonkey.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Nov 2025 20:20:29 No.19336637 Report

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>>19336561
yeah for sure if you say so kek

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Anonymous Sun 23 Nov 2025 21:00:27 No.19336827 Report

Quoted By: >>19336847

This is the G.O.A.T. promotional photo.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Nov 2025 21:05:13 No.19336847 Report

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>>19336827
Agreed, along with this one

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Anonymous Sun 23 Nov 2025 21:12:52 No.19336871 Report

Quoted By: >>19338038

Toyota and Kong clear Hokuto by quantity of great matches desu

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Anonymous Sun 23 Nov 2025 21:48:28 No.19337054 Report

Quoted By: >>19337180 >>19337191

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Anonymous Sun 23 Nov 2025 21:54:47 No.19337082 Report

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>>19335934
>Saya's apparently great because she rips off Ibushi

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Anonymous Sun 23 Nov 2025 22:15:46 No.19337180 Report

Quoted By: >>19337198

>>19337054
>0:45
>that fucking top rope springboard sunset flip roll up out of nowhere
God damn, this is why I love her so much. She was a cat

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Anonymous Sun 23 Nov 2025 22:19:07 No.19337191 Report

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>>19337054
this sucks, don't they know they should telegraph every move and do soi faces

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Anonymous Sun 23 Nov 2025 22:21:18 No.19337198 Report

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>>19337180
Her top rope springboard blows me away every time.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Nov 2025 23:17:32 No.19337499 Report

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the weak should fear the strong

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Anonymous Mon 24 Nov 2025 00:58:40 No.19338038 Report

Quoted By: >>19338162

>>19336871
Kong might low key be the GOAT, but no one wants to hear that

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Anonymous Mon 24 Nov 2025 01:19:18 No.19338162 Report

Quoted By: >>19338233 >>19341643

>>19338038
Kong put on monster heel matches and underdog babyface performances in the same tournament and they were equally convincing. She's undeniably the GOAT.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Nov 2025 01:33:04 No.19338233 Report

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>>19338162
I posted this >>19335776 - it's shoot one of my all-time favorite matches, men or women. I practically have the whole thing memorized.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Nov 2025 03:13:35 No.19338709 Report

Quoted By: >>19338721

>>19335427
For me it's the WCW World War 3 tag match with Akira Hokuto and Bull Nakano vs. Mayumi Ozaki and Cutie Suzuki. It's a standard affair but I love Bobby "The Brain" Heenan on commentary being blown away by what they were able to do. I believe he said that in all his years he's never seen women wrestle that good.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Nov 2025 03:16:11 No.19338721 Report

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>>19338709
>Cutie Suzuki
This was shoot my first exposure to joshi wrestling, discovered it on a rom collection maybe 8 - 10 years ago or so.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Nov 2025 03:21:05 No.19338750 Report

Quoted By: >>19338791

>>19335427
Are they trans?

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Anonymous Mon 24 Nov 2025 03:30:21 No.19338791 Report

Quoted By: >>19338836

>>19338750
People didn't do that back in the 80s and 90s, anon.
The one on the left married long ago and has grown up kids. >>19335940 (that's her husband, Kensuke Sasaki who once killed a dojo trainee)

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Anonymous Mon 24 Nov 2025 03:38:14 No.19338823 Report

Quoted By: >>19338832

>>19336561
Hokuto is also a spot monkey lol

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Anonymous Mon 24 Nov 2025 03:40:49 No.19338832 Report

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>>19338823
I mean, all wrestlers are spot monkeys in a certain light

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Anonymous Mon 24 Nov 2025 03:42:18 No.19338836 Report

Quoted By: >>19338843

>>19338791
>who once killed a dojo trainee
Was that in Big Japan or am I thinking of someone else?

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Anonymous Mon 24 Nov 2025 03:43:42 No.19338843 Report

Quoted By: >>19338848

>>19338836
Nah, it was the New Japan dojo, back in 1995.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Nov 2025 03:44:53 No.19338848 Report

Quoted By: >>19338852

>>19338843
Damn, that sucks.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Nov 2025 03:46:38 No.19338852 Report

Quoted By: >>19338858

>>19338848
Yeah it does. He was never charged. The whole incident is shrouded in a bit of mystery, from what I understand.
https://whatculture.com/wwe/10-shocking-japanese-wrestling-incidents-that-you-need-to-know-about?page=11

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Anonymous Mon 24 Nov 2025 03:49:17 No.19338858 Report

Quoted By: >>19338875 >>19340435

>>19338852
>According to the book Ring of Hell, Gompei was not performing his gruelling tasks up to standard and was beaten and repeatedly suplexed by Sasaki because of it, leading to severe head trauma and, ultimately, his death.
Jesus Fucking Christ.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Nov 2025 03:53:55 No.19338875 Report

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>>19338858
Yeah, they didn't fuck around in the old days, it's probably why the wrestling was better.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Nov 2025 06:13:24 No.19339297 Report

Quoted By: >>19342640

>>19335441
Toyota wasn't a draw unironically. Meltzer's spread her propaganda for years. She was great but Hokuto was significantly better in pretty much every aspect from wrestling, fire, attitude/charisma, look. Manami i guess was like the women's Will Ospreay before he learned how to create a character in AEW.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Nov 2025 09:32:50 No.19339655 Report

Quoted By: >>19339949

>>19335441
Toyota shoot killed the joshi biz because with her at the top the focus shifted to appealing to old salesmen and other men, which, to everyone's surprise, isn't exactly a sound business strategy when your model revolves around WOMEN'S wrestling.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Nov 2025 11:39:56 No.19339916 Report

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Anonymous Mon 24 Nov 2025 11:55:27 No.19339949 Report

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>>19339655
That happened long beforehand. AJW's TV got moved to late night which killed the teen girl audience so they were forced to market to the smarks/adult male audience which is also why you started getting shit like Takako's photobooks. By the time Toyota was on top that boom was tapering off until everything fell apart in 1997/1998.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Nov 2025 11:57:32 No.19339952 Report

Quoted By: >>19339956 >>19340433

>>19335427
Mariko Yoshida is better than both of these overrated bitches.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Nov 2025 11:59:51 No.19339956 Report

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>>19339952
>Mariko Yoshida
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlrqofaVGSk

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Anonymous Mon 24 Nov 2025 13:14:13 No.19340197 Report

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Who was the Jannetty?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0EJHOBgrq8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_rixBZbMcw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWGo3xf3k2o

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Anonymous Mon 24 Nov 2025 14:37:07 No.19340433 Report

Quoted By:

>>19339952
>muh technical submissions
She had cool ring gear, that's it.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Nov 2025 14:38:20 No.19340435 Report

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>>19338858
Ring of Hell got pulled from bookshelves for how many lies there are in it

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Anonymous Mon 24 Nov 2025 17:17:26 No.19341194 Report

Quoted By: >>19341538

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Anonymous Mon 24 Nov 2025 17:37:50 No.19341285 Report

Quoted By: >>19341390

>>19336393
>LCO
feel quite underrated these days possibly because current tag wrestling is ass

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Anonymous Mon 24 Nov 2025 18:03:03 No.19341390 Report

Quoted By: >>19341538

>>19341285
Their match vs Hamada and Akino in Arsion is probably my favorite tag match

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Anonymous Mon 24 Nov 2025 18:40:36 No.19341538 Report

Quoted By: >>19341552 >>19341648

>>19341390
>Their match vs Hamada and Akino in Arsion is probably my favorite tag match
Hamada in Arsion was like the 15 minutes of her life when she was in great shape and an absolute knock out kek. Also, this >>19341194 is no better than what people are doing today so people should stop glazing the past (Hokuto makes it very obvious she's cooperating with Toyota).

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Anonymous Mon 24 Nov 2025 18:44:15 No.19341552 Report

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>>19341538
She's not cooperating, it's an involuntary reflex kek

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Anonymous Mon 24 Nov 2025 19:09:11 No.19341643 Report

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>>19338162
How can one woman be so goddamn based?

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Anonymous Mon 24 Nov 2025 19:09:49 No.19341648 Report

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>>19341538
Look a slopslurper

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Anonymous Mon 24 Nov 2025 22:34:01 No.19342602 Report

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>>19335923
Saya isn't fit to tie these women's boots.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Nov 2025 22:40:38 No.19342637 Report

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>>19335427
manami because she is hot and was a high spot junky

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Anonymous Mon 24 Nov 2025 22:41:45 No.19342640 Report

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>>19339297
will ospreay was never the guy. never moved merch, never carried a company, and never held any important belt for any memorable reign

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