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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 09:58:01 No.5480907 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>5480940 >>5482548 >>5482559 >>5482571 >>5482586 >>5484164 >>5484177 >>5484409

[Sad news]
NOAH's all-junior Ryogoku Kokugikan is remarkably empty.

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 10:03:07 No.5480940 Report

Quoted By: >>5482153 >>5482595 >>5482680

>>5480907
>No New Japan Jrs
>card stuffed with unknown gaijin
>literally no heavyweights in the undercard to at least hype their big matches tomorrow
>only one real "star" Jr in the company
>he's paired with some DG shitter in the main event
I sincerely ask, what were they thinking

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 10:07:37 No.5480981 Report

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sad news indeed

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 12:52:24 No.5482153 Report

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>>5480940
What went so wrong

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 12:56:19 No.5482181 Report

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NJPW chad here, not even going to make fun of you NOAH bros even though you've got at least one unhinged schizo that tries to invade every NJPW gamethread. I want NOAH to be good so I'm not going to dab on you.

That is all.

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 13:53:15 No.5482548 Report

Quoted By: >>5482803

>>5480907
Juniors don’t draw. Liger was the only one who ever did, and he’s not generating dimes on commentary. Doesn’t matter what the company is.

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 13:54:35 No.5482559 Report

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>>5480907
>[Sad news]
But it makes me laugh. Fuck Japs and fuck weebs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 13:56:15 No.5482571 Report

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>>5480907
still more than NXT

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 13:59:34 No.5482586 Report

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>>5480907
they have managed to squandered all momentrum they had build up from the past 2 years while NJPW was going the other direction into the toilet and them doing everythin to go back right to square one with NOSAWA's schizo's booking. Well done

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 13:59:35 No.5482587 Report

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NOAH fuckin sucks lol

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 14:00:44 No.5482595 Report

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>>5480940
>he's paired with some DG shitter in the main event
>I sincerely ask, what were they thinking
NOAH have come to the (correct) conclusion that their jr division is shit and is desperately trying to buy time building it up by adding based DG wrestlers.
Much like in 2020 when AJPW had Susumu Yokosuka carry their jr title after Atsushi Aoki passed away

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 14:01:26 No.5482599 Report

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who could have imagined that midgets don't draw???

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 14:02:53 No.5482612 Report

Quoted By: >>5482658

I don’t watch modern NOAH but having watched the WK show my main takeaway is that so many of NOAHs guys just look like absolute shit. NJPW guys are all so well presented and look like such massive stars and then you have these NOAH geeks looking they just graduated from yardtarding. No wonder they don’t draw.

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 14:05:17 No.5482628 Report

Quoted By: >>5482641

Japanese wrestling is on life support, literally not a single platform for wrestlers to elevate themselves and the product.

Probably going even lower the next years

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 14:06:49 No.5482641 Report

Quoted By: >>5482714

>>5482628
Isn't that the same problem it had in the later 00s too?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 14:09:09 No.5482658 Report

Quoted By: >>5482738

>>5482612
Agreed, the NJPW guys mogged them so hard, the only exceptions were Yo-Hey, Nakajima and Kenoh who should jump ship. Also, the pacing of NOAH shows is such a fucking drag and they present guys like they're a big deal when they really aren't.

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 14:11:20 No.5482680 Report

Quoted By: >>5482841

>>5480940
>he's paired with some DG shitter in the main event
They’re the second biggest drawing company in Japan. Dragon Gate drew as many people in Korakuen Hall recently as NOAH put in Ryogoku

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 14:14:44 No.5482714 Report

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>>5482641
trending the same way

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 14:17:28 No.5482738 Report

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>>5482658
>the only exceptions were Yo-Hey, Nakajima and Kenoh who should jump ship
njpw guy here, I had the exact same thought watching the show
these three dudes stood out. Yo-Hey in particular would be great in the NJPW Jrs, they could really use him

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 14:18:59 No.5482755 Report

Quoted By: >>5482777

why does all of NOAHs jrs look like crack addicts?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 14:21:22 No.5482777 Report

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>>5482755
NOAHs head booker is unironically a drug dealer

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 14:23:54 No.5482803 Report

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>>5482548
>Juniors don’t draw
I'd say Liger, Tiger Mask, Hayabusa and Ultimo Dragon were draws. To an extent Great Sasuke was he kept a whole promotion on his back for years. And they are certainly draws in Mexico.

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 14:29:14 No.5482841 Report

Quoted By: >>5482864

>>5482680
They are third behind Stardom now

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 14:33:28 No.5482864 Report

Quoted By: >>5482874 >>5482901 >>5482907 >>5482933 >>5483226 >>5485771

>>5482841
>Top attendance for Japanese promotions, 2022 - January ~ Febuary
>1. New Japan - 44,631
>2. Stardom - 8479
>3. Noah - 8416
>4. Dragon Gate - 6914
>5. AJPW - 3991
>6. DDT - 3924
>7. BJW - 3891
>8. TJPW - 3172
>9. Ice Ribbon - 1790
>10. FREEDOMS - 1003

>NJPW 2479 avg - 18 shows
>Stardom 471 avg - 18 shows
>AJPW 399 avg - 10 shows
>TJPW 364 avg - 12 shows
>Noah 342 avg - 18 shows
>Dragon Gate 288 avg - 24 shows
>DDT 230 avg - 17 shows
>FREEDOMS 200 avg - 5 shows
>BJW 149 avg - 28 shows
>Ice Ribbon 137 avg - 13 shows

>NJPW is the biggest promotion and of course gets a spike from the Dome shows.

>Stardom is the biggest women's promotion, but has also run a couple of big shows to start the year. They are doing well outside of Tokyo which is helping them but aren't going past Hyogo. Joshi is joshi though and a completely different beast than men's wrestling.

>AJPW has not run too many shows and might be around DG's number if they had run more.

>TJPW beating out DDT is interesting and they did it in less shows. DDT runs a lot, plus Ganbare Pro, which I didn't count, is an offshoot of it. They mostly just run Tokyo though and it's easier to draw there.

>Noah had like 2 big shows so far which helped up their numbers.

>Dragon Gate hasn't run any big shows yet. They may be closer to NOAH if they had. I think it's important to keep in mind with DG that they run non-Tokyo parts of Japan more often than some other groups and they are a little more healthy than they seem.

>Most of Ice Ribbon's shows are weekly dojo shows that run the same arena each week. It only holds about 100 people and they are coming off losing 4 of their better roster members.

>Big Japan ran some places twice in one day and that brought down their averages. Even without it, they'd still be pretty low. Their roster is really old and stale. They also aren't doing the more interesting deathmatches as much as they used to.

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 14:35:09 No.5482874 Report

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>>5482864
>no 3000 average?
no wonder they are having to let tony play with their toys

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 14:38:36 No.5482901 Report

Quoted By: >>5484218 >>5484247

>>5482864
what's the attendance for the WK shows? also who made this list?

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 14:39:52 No.5482907 Report

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>>5482864
There have been more TJPW threads this year than people in the arenas.

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 14:43:30 No.5482933 Report

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>>5482864
>BJW 149 avg - 28 shows

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 15:14:00 No.5483226 Report

Quoted By: >>5483476 >>5484218 >>5484247

>>5482864
Why include averages? I always see people discussing puro attendance bring up average attendance per show, or "NJPW only does so well because they run so many shows!," but the fact that they can run so many shows is a consequence of the good business that they do, and their confidence in their ability to draw running so many shows.

Isn't the average attendance thing ultimately a bit of a cope? If TJPW or AJPW could draw running more shows, I'm sure they would run more shows.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 15:39:09 No.5483476 Report

Quoted By: >>5483559

>>5483226
how is it a cope? it's a stat, he's not picking sides, just posting the data

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 15:48:45 No.5483559 Report

Quoted By: >>5483601

>>5483476
>it's a stat
Yes, so is "medals per capita" in the Olympics but you can't tell me that stat itself isn't a massive cope

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 15:53:17 No.5483601 Report

Quoted By: >>5483764

>>5483559
Is that Gold vs. all medals combined?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 16:06:41 No.5483764 Report

Quoted By: >>5483786

>>5483601
No, medals per capita is medals per the average population of the country. You see it a lot from people during the Olympics, stuff like
>YEAH AMERICA MIGHT BE IN FIRST BUT ZIMBABWE HAS MORE MEDALS PER CAPITA

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 16:09:08 No.5483786 Report

Quoted By: >>5484139

>>5483764
That is the lamest cope I've ever heard and I spend my days on /pw/

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 16:44:18 No.5484139 Report

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>>5483786
You see it a lot from the eurocucks on /sp/ during the Olympics

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 16:46:31 No.5484164 Report

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>>5480907
From the numbers, it looks like Noah has the lowest attended Sumo Hall show this year. Behind Tokyo Joshi Pro.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 16:48:00 No.5484177 Report

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>>5480907
1500 for a junior division they treat like shit honestly ain't bad desu. Anybody here that watched the show recommend any matches? Everyone is raving about ninja mack so I guess the three way was good.

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ProWresBlog !1JPtDnh8WA Fri 29 Apr 2022 16:51:21 No.5484218 Report

Quoted By: >>5484239

>>5482901
>also who made this list?

I didn't post this, but I made this list in response to another list 1-2 months ago.

>>5483226
>Why include averages?

New Japan's Tokyo Dome shows. They count of course, but the attendance boost they get is just for the big show.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 16:53:31 No.5484239 Report

Quoted By: >>5484320

>>5484218
>New Japan's Tokyo Dome shows. They count of course, but the attendance boost they get is just for the big show.
???
Again, New Japan runs Dome shows because they're the only promotion in Japan that can make a profit off of them. How is that something that should be held against them when figuring out their overall attendance?

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ProWresBlog !1JPtDnh8WA Fri 29 Apr 2022 16:54:14 No.5484247 Report

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>>5482901
>also who made this list?

I didn't post this, but I made the averages and numbers of shows 1-2 months ago in response to another list.

>>5483226
>Why include averages?

New Japan's Tokyo Dome shows. The original list didn't have the averages. Obviously, New Japan gets a huge crowd for the Dome shows, but those are only for those shows and not others. I thought the number of shows and the locations of where the shows were was important too.

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ProWresBlog !1JPtDnh8WA Fri 29 Apr 2022 17:00:19 No.5484320 Report

Quoted By: >>5484377

>>5484239
>How is that something that should be held against them when figuring out their overall attendance?

Without the Dome, NJPW's average would be a lot less. They'd still be the top drawing promotion. I think other promotions could run the Dome and possibly get a nice boost as well that would inflate their average numbers, but it would be a one-time boost and would not be sustainable.

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 17:03:39 No.5484353 Report

Quoted By: >>5484542

Other promotions would not get a boost if they ran the Dome. If you can't sell out a smaller venue for your biggest card then a bigger venue wont magically attract more people...
They run the Tokyo Dome because it's their biggest card and no other venue can hold the potential attendance. Why are smarks so fucking stupid? A band in a bigger venue wont suddenly draw more than they would if they couldn't fill a smaller house. Use logic and common sense.

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 17:05:43 No.5484377 Report

Quoted By: >>5484542

>>5484320
>I think other promotions could run the Dome and possibly get a nice boost as well that would inflate their average numbers
Only if they did some sort of cross-promotional supershow. There is no way any other promotion in Japan could draw enough to make their rental fee back on the Tokyo Dome, no way. Also you forgot that NJPW was going to start running two Dome shows a year (and the MSG show) before COVID.

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 17:09:23 No.5484409 Report

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>>5480907
still more fans than your average Raw

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ProWresBlog !1JPtDnh8WA Fri 29 Apr 2022 17:23:29 No.5484542 Report

Quoted By: >>5484601

>>5484353
>>5484377
I don't know if the Dome or other venues offered any kind of discount due to trying to make up for lost income during covid. A lot of promotions have been running some bigger venues than normal though, so I can't rule it out. There's also been some situations where promotions have only rented out parts of a venue to cut costs and to make it seem like there's more people there than there are. Maybe one of them could get the Tokyo Dome to go for like a floor seats only event or partial first level sections event at a discount price.

There usually is an attendance boost for promotions running a big event for the first time at a venue. And promotions have sometimes run a bigger venue just to say they did it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 17:31:50 No.5484601 Report

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>>5484542
>renting out part of the Tokyo Dome for smaller shows
You can't do that, really. You'd still have to heat/cool the building, run all of the infrastructure, etc. Also, the Tokyo Dome already HAS an attached venue that is used by wrestling promotions to run smaller shows: Korakuen Hall

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 19:43:45 No.5485771 Report

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>>5482864
Why is Omega trying to shove DDT into AEW when they clearly don't even have a following in Japan?

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