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WON star ratings for NJPW/AEW/WWE

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 11:45:21 No.5729204 View View Reply Original Report

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>NJPW Capital Collision
Karl Fredericks vs. Ren Narita 3.5
Lawlor/Kratos/Nelson/Isaacs/Limelight vs. Rosser/Uemura/Loa/Finlay/DKC 3
Chase Owens vs. Great O'Khan 3
Haste/Nichols/Jonah/Tito vs. Cobb/Henare/Davis/Fletcher 3.5
Brody King vs. Minoru Suzuki 3.75
Tomohiro Ishii vs. Eddie Kingston 4.75
Jay White & Hikuleo vs. Kazuchika Okada & Rocky Romero 4
Juice Robinson vs. Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. Will Ospreay vs. Jon Moxley 4.75
>AEW Rampage 5/13
Penta/PAC/Fenix vs. Quen/Butcher/Blade 4
Scorpio Sky vs. Frankie Kazarian 3.5
>AEW Dynamite 5/18
Adam Page vs. Konosuke Takeshita 4.5
Kyle O'Reilly vs. Rey Fenix 4.25
>WWE Smackdown 5/13
Riddle vs. Zayn 3.5

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Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 11:46:14 No.5729214 Report

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>>5729204
>Tomohiro Ishii vs. Eddie Kingston 4.75
LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 11:47:34 No.5729223 Report

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>>5729204
nice reddit copy and paste

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Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 11:48:11 No.5729226 Report

Quoted By: >>5729233 >>5729562

>>5729204
>Tomohiro Ishii vs. Eddie Kingston 4.75
Holy fucking cringe. Kill yourself, Meltzer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 11:48:49 No.5729233 Report

Quoted By: >>5729247

>>5729214
>>5729226
it was a good match ya seething sloppers, maybe try hitting 4 stars once in a while aye?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 11:49:56 No.5729238 Report

Quoted By: >>5729490

I thought Fenix vs Kyle was fucking great and better than the Hangman match

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 11:50:54 No.5729247 Report

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>>5729233
I'm a New Japan chad, retard. Ishii was carrying that fatass to the best match that he could possibly get to and even then it was 2.75 at fucking best.

The fatal four way is also 4 stars at best, but I guess this is what happens when Meltzer has been inflating the shit out of stars by giving AEW tranny matches way more stars than they deserve. And the Ass Spray inflation doesn't help either.

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Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 11:51:53 No.5729252 Report

Quoted By: >>5729266 >>5729372

>4.75
Holy fucking BASED
uppity nujamals tried shitting on this match to dunk on AEW, they tried saying JONAH had a better match lmaoooooo

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Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 11:54:18 No.5729264 Report

Quoted By: >>5729298 >>5729367

>>5729247
Oh wait, Ass Spray was also in the fatal four way, duh. Take the Ass Spray inflation star and it's the 3.75 it deserve to be, makes sense.

Anyways:
>Ryusuke Taguchi VS Hiromu Takahashi
>Master Wato VS TJP
>Titán VS El Desperado
>Ryusuke Taguchi VS Taiji Ishimori
>Master Wato VS El Phantasmo
>El Desperado VS TJP
All of these matches, literally all from the last week, were miles better than the match where Ishii had to carry the fatass Misawa cosplayer. Are these matches all getting 6.5 stars? I doubt it. Meltzer is a retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 11:54:44 No.5729266 Report

Quoted By: >>5729562

>>5729252
oh shit dave said it was better guys pack it up cant have your own opinions. fucking npc lol.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 11:59:50 No.5729292 Report

Quoted By: >>5729372

>>5729204
ITT & all star ratings threads: seething e-drones that can't accept that nearly every match ever was better than Rock vs Hogan

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 12:00:42 No.5729295 Report

Quoted By: >>5729562

>>5729204
>Tomohiro Ishii vs. Eddie Kingston 4.75
How many stars did he give Tanashi VS Ishii? 11?

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Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 12:01:29 No.5729298 Report

Quoted By: >>5729301 >>5729313 >>5729372

>>5729247
>>5729264
leave it to a self hating uppity weeb to hate the best most exciting wrestler in their fed because he's not japanese
you don't deserve him

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 12:02:35 No.5729301 Report

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>>5729298
Do me a favor, tranny, and convince Tony to trade Ass Spray for Bryan Danielson. New Japan gets even better and AEW gets even more :O.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 12:06:28 No.5729313 Report

Quoted By: >>5729798

>>5729298
I don't dislike Ospreay nearly as much as some of the New Japan fans here do, but there's no denying Meltzer way overrates him. Especially during his pre-clue days (or at least the days where he had much less of a semblance of a clue than he does now), where he got over 10 5 star matches he shouldn't have gotten. I don't know why he's so much in love with that guy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 12:10:13 No.5729334 Report

Quoted By: >>5729372

>>5729247
Nah it was a great match but you contrarian bitches will shit on literally anything. Touch grass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 12:13:32 No.5729346 Report

Quoted By: >>5729353

>>5729247
>I'm a new Japan Chad
One with abysmal taste I see. Sorry to hear that

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 12:13:54 No.5729348 Report

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>>5729204
>Penta/PAC/Fenix vs. Quen/Butcher/Blade 4
He keeps getting worse wtf

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 12:14:24 No.5729353 Report

Quoted By: >>5729360 >>5730018

>>5729346
>Ryusuke Taguchi VS Hiromu Takahashi
>Master Wato VS TJP
>Titán VS El Desperado
>Ryusuke Taguchi VS Taiji Ishimori
>Master Wato VS El Phantasmo
>El Desperado VS TJP
All miles better than Kingston VS Ishii.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 12:14:43 No.5729355 Report

Quoted By: >>5729360 >>5729372

>>5729247
>I'm a
no you're not. stop falseflagging.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 12:15:26 No.5729360 Report

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>>5729355
>>5729353

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Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 12:16:18 No.5729367 Report

Quoted By: >>5729396

>>5729264
Why haven't I heard him or Alvarez mention best of the super jrs at all?
I have been using their shows to help me sleep so maybe they just mention it at the end of their shows? But it's the biggest thing going on right now so why would they? Are they ignoring it so they don't have to call Yuta shit?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 12:17:21 No.5729372 Report

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>>5729252
>>5729292
>>5729298
>>5729334
>>5729355
Sup ojama have you forgiven your father yet?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 12:21:58 No.5729396 Report

Quoted By: >>5729523

>>5729367
>so they don't have to call Yuta shit?
Like it'd stop them. Who(?)ta is definitely doing much, much, much better at BOSJ, a league of match after match, than Kingston did in that one single pathetic match. It'd be way easier to overrate Yuta than Kingston.

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Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 12:23:02 No.5729403 Report

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why does ojama be like that

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 12:35:54 No.5729490 Report

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>>5729238
You’re not wrong but autist will autist

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 12:36:34 No.5729493 Report

Quoted By: >>5729562

>>5729204
>Tomohiro Ishii vs. Eddie Kingston 4.75
PEAK KEK

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 12:41:32 No.5729523 Report

Quoted By: >>5729532 >>5729540

>>5729396
Then why aren't they talking about it?
It's actually a pretty interesting tournament because of all the guests from other companies. You get a much better idea how good/bad guys are, it's cool.
I also completely forgot about that USA show, it looked boring besides wondering who would win the main event.
Whatever, Dave is a fucking clown and Alvarez this week has just been shitting on people for walking out after he praised Toni storm for doing it and reporting that an accident was a work and then changing his story hours later.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 12:43:52 No.5729532 Report

Quoted By: >>5729864

>>5729523
Relax, it's a lot of matches to watch, he'll cover it eventually, probably next weeks newsletter

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 12:44:45 No.5729540 Report

Quoted By: >>5729864

>>5729523
>Then why aren't they talking about it?
Dunno, haven't listened to their shit in over half a decade. Did Alvarez ever watch BOSJ or G1? I don't remember him doing so but I might have just forgotten.
Meltzer I assumed he'd watch it at some point because his autism demanded it for his written reports no one reads aside from the stars on the Observer. But maybe post-AEW Meltzer can't even be arsed with that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 12:45:02 No.5729541 Report

Quoted By: >>5729562

takeshita vs troon was a 4 at best, and
>kingston vs. ishii 4.75
don't trust this kike for anything after this one ngl

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 12:46:29 No.5729549 Report

Quoted By: >>5729562 >>5729580 >>5729714 >>5729730

What's his reason for overrating the shit out of Ishii VS Kingston? Surely there's some agenda. Or has his taste really deteriorated this hard?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 12:49:10 No.5729562 Report

Quoted By: >>5729585 >>5729586 >>5729629

>>5729214
>>5729226
>>5729247
>>5729266
>>5729295
>>5729493
>>5729541
>>5729549
Explain why the match was bad without using the words "AEW" or "Tranny"

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 12:52:16 No.5729580 Report

Quoted By: >>5729598

>>5729549
Everyone overrates Ishii. Dude was never even better than Goto

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 12:53:05 No.5729585 Report

Quoted By: >>5729640

>>5729562
did you watch it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 12:53:06 No.5729586 Report

Quoted By: >>5729690

>>5729562
Genuinely challenging, but I'll do my best.
Kingston is an uncoordinated unathletic cringe tryhard that in the first 2 minutes of the match was moving at the speed of light and visibly annoying Ishii by working like a retard and then the entire rest of the match was gassed beyond belief and unable to do anything without telegraphing it 40 seconds in advance. It was the average Ishii formula kino choppa match, except this time it was with a shitter that couldn't wrestle to save his life.

Only based part of the match was the finish where Ishii no-sold the fatasses's finisher twice in a row then KWABbed him like a bitch for the pinfall.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 12:54:26 No.5729598 Report

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>>5729580
Ishii is god tier and the fact he managed to get nearly 3 stars out of Kingston proves that. Okada is a much better wrestler overall but he wouldn't have been able to get 2 stars out of this geek.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 12:58:18 No.5729629 Report

Quoted By: >>5729640 >>5729690

>>5729562
I
>*Slaps people like an hyperactive autistic kid, none of the hits being believable*
WALK
>*Visibly huffs for air for over 90% of the match*
THE
>*Interminable rest hold 3 minutes in the match*
KING'S
>*Belts out pathetic "Aaaaaaaaash"es every time he strikes someone like a Kane parody*
ROAD

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:01:04 No.5729640 Report

Quoted By: >>5729644 >>5729649

>>5729585
>>5729629
t. didnt watch

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:01:48 No.5729644 Report

Quoted By: >>5729649 >>5729690

>>5729640
I described the match 100% accurately. Not only did I watch, I was saying these exact same things as the match was going on in the livethread.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:03:17 No.5729649 Report

Quoted By: >>5729668

>>5729640
>>5729644
And in fact, thanks to wkrs, here's proof.
>>5664773

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:06:41 No.5729668 Report

Quoted By: >>5729690

>>5729649
>lol flabby is already gassed
>it's too bad Eddie's promos are so natural and real and his in-ring is such a low grade larp
>The guy I saw fighting Ishii at the Impact main event walks the King's Road more than this fatass.
>Eddie really is just a fat shitter isn't he? No idea why this guy is popular
>Just end this. Ishii deserves better.
>Ok, match gets 3 stars for the complete burial of Kingston. Based Ishii.
lol based

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:10:27 No.5729690 Report

Quoted By: >>5729711 >>5729900

>>5729644
>>5729629
>>5729586
>>5729668
The story of the match was that Kingston, knowing Ishii thrives in long NJPW main event style matches, exerted all of his energy early in an attempt to put Ishii away early, this didn't work and left Kingston on the back foot fighting an uphill battle while still giving his all and refusing to stay down up until the great finish
They told the story perfectly, there's no reason it didn't deserve at least 4.5, Dave loves Ishii so he bumped it up to 4.75

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:12:10 No.5729704 Report

Quoted By: >>5729747

>Tomohiro Ishii vs. Eddie Kingston 4.75
>random shit on AEW 4+ stars

Lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:13:01 No.5729711 Report

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>>5729690
>The story of the match was to suck
Ok, and what's your story gonna be when at least one of Ryusuke Taguchi VS Hiromu Takahashi, Master Wato VS TJP, Titán VS El Desperado, Ryusuke Taguchi VS Taiji Ishimori, Master Wato VS El Phantasmo, El Desperado VS TJP gets a worse rating than the shit match you're shilling despite the fact they're much better and also tell a story without having an uncoordinated fat shitter in it.

Should backyard indy matches between two 18 year olds that never wrestled before get 5 stars because they tell the "These guys are complete rookies that have no idea what they're doing" story perfectly?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:13:35 No.5729714 Report

Quoted By:

>>5729549
Its not like Meltzer is close friends with a lot of people in AEW right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:15:33 No.5729730 Report

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>>5729549
I guess it's his own minute way to try to keep incentivizing the New Japan/AEW partnership that he has been begging for for over 2 years at this point, now that it's finally happening.

Forbidden Door star ratings are gonna be comedykino.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:15:59 No.5729731 Report

Quoted By: >>5729737

giving ishii and eddie that is a fucking disgrace to his own made up point system

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:16:58 No.5729736 Report

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>>5729204
What happened to AEW throwing out 5 star bangers every other week?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:17:05 No.5729737 Report

Quoted By: >>5729745

>>5729731
And AEW matches having high ratings even though they are just one step above pissbreak isn't?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:18:11 No.5729745 Report

Quoted By: >>5729750 >>5729755

>>5729737
I dont care about aew to look up or remember meltzer's ratings for them

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:18:28 No.5729747 Report

Quoted By: >>5729759

>>5729704
Hangman, Konosuke, Fenix and Big Autism Kyle are far better workers than Flabby Kingston.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:18:50 No.5729750 Report

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>>5729745
You could just look at the one listed in the OP to realize that Meltzer Magoo is a shill

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:19:18 No.5729755 Report

Quoted By:

>>5729745
Holy based

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:19:53 No.5729759 Report

Quoted By: >>5729777 >>5729790

>>5729747
Well they certainly didn't show anything that would award them a 4 star in those matches

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Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:22:30 No.5729770 Report

Quoted By: >>5729778 >>5729789 >>5729799

Kek nujamals are shoot upset that they aren't the only promotion in town getting good star ratings anymore
Prior to mid 2019 they never said a bad word about Dave when he was handing them 4.75s and 5s every show, giving Okada 6s and even a 7, and making njpw relevant overseas

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:24:22 No.5729777 Report

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>>5729759
You didn't watch the matches

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:24:30 No.5729778 Report

Quoted By: >>5729814

>>5729770
First off, I always said anything over 5 stars was fucking retarded.
Secondly, Eddie Kingston VS Tomohiro Ishii and the Fatal Four Way that we're talking about were both in a New Japan show, you absolute fucking retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:25:24 No.5729784 Report

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>Eddie Kingston
>4+ for those two sloppy movez exhibitions on Dynamite
cringe

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:26:38 No.5729789 Report

Quoted By: >>5729814

>>5729770
Eddie Kingston VS Tomohiro Ishii was on Capital Collision, dumbass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:26:43 No.5729790 Report

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>>5729759
I don't disagree with you but they still have a better case than Ishii/Kingston.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:27:40 No.5729798 Report

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>>5729313
hes the only source he has after the elite left I cant believe people dont realize this yet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:27:46 No.5729799 Report

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>>5729770
Those stars were mostly deserved aside from the ones that he gave to his close pals Olivier, Cawdy and the Bucks, AEW ratings are overrated by 1 to 3 stars in every single show.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:29:21 No.5729814 Report

Quoted By: >>5729829 >>5729835 >>5729838

>>5729778
>>5729789
Posters here are upset that two matches on Dynamite got 4+

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:30:34 No.5729829 Report

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>>5729814
Well, I don't watch the tranny fed, but judging by the 4.75, there's a good chance they didn't deserve it. 50/50 chance, best.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:31:43 No.5729835 Report

Quoted By: >>5729917

>>5729814
Page vs Takeshita was apparently better than 99% of every WWE PPV main events, this is your brai- oh wait people that actually defend Meltzer in 2022 lack brains.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:32:08 No.5729838 Report

Quoted By: >>5729847

>>5729814
Because they weren't that good, but Memeltzer intentionally overrates AEW matches because he thinks they're his friends and he wants to create artificial buzz about a dead business.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:33:09 No.5729847 Report

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>>5729838
>but Memeltzer intentionally overrates AEW matches because he thinks they're his friends and he wants to create artificial buzz about a dead business

This, if he rated things fairly then he would lose his subscribers since nearly all of them are AEW fans.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:33:40 No.5729851 Report

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>Hangman vs Konosuke was up there among the greatest matches of all time
Kek

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Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:34:25 No.5729859 Report

Quoted By: >>5729870 >>5729871

How many stars did Tanahashi VS Ishii get?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:35:42 No.5729864 Report

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>>5729532
Their job is that they report on wrestling. They already barely do that and do it badly, they could at least report on the major tournament in one of the 3 companies they actually cover.
>>5729540
Hmm Alvarez watches bits and then speaks as if he watches everything and is an expert on it all. Mike watches it normally, I guess. They only ever really cover bosj heavily when one of their darlings is involved.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:36:36 No.5729870 Report

Quoted By: >>5729896

>>5729859
4.75 stars

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Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:36:48 No.5729871 Report

Quoted By: >>5729896

>>5729859
Holy shit not even 5

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:37:14 No.5729875 Report

Quoted By: >>5729894 >>5729898 >>5729920

Also, are you nujamals so affected by the console war that you're legit upset that a match on your own show got a deservedly good rating just because an AEW guy was on it?
Jesus

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:39:23 No.5729893 Report

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>>5729204
He dishes out 4 stars+ on hundreds of forgettable matches now. He should just stop. His rating system is so broken

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:39:28 No.5729894 Report

Quoted By: >>5729920

>>5729875
adding to this, I guarantee if was Ishii/Okhan having the very same "sloppy, slow match" as you describe it, you would all be creaming your pants and saying the 4.75 stars is justified

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:39:40 No.5729896 Report

Quoted By:

>>5729870
>>5729871
Literally the same as Eddie Kingston VS Ishii. That's retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:39:54 No.5729898 Report

Quoted By: >>5729963

>>5729875
Most AEW wrestlers are painfully bad, that's the issue. Meltzer could hide his shilling better years ago, now he gives women matches in AEW high ratings even though they are literally unwatchable, he's not even trying at this point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:40:13 No.5729900 Report

Quoted By: >>5729913

>>5729690
Was it actually? I imagine it's not as bad as these guys are claiming but nowhere near as good as Dave has placed it.
Eddie has been going way too hard into his Kobashi LARP recently and Ishii literally does the same shit every match so I would assume it was kinda bad and just Eddie trying too hard and Ishii being Ishii.
Also having every match follow the main event epic template and kicking out of everything is cringe and I'm sick of it, so if it does that needlessly then no thank you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:40:55 No.5729905 Report

Quoted By:

*sniff sniff*
*wince*
Yup, another ratings thread full of neckbeard sweat.
I'm outta here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:41:38 No.5729913 Report

Quoted By: >>5729972 >>5729983

>>5729900
Kingston is just an out of shape indie talent roleplaying as an actual pro wrestler, he isn't credible in the slightest.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:41:57 No.5729917 Report

Quoted By: >>5729927

>>5729835
>Page vs Takeshita was apparently better than 99% of every WWE PPV main events
It was, but I don't know why you're pretending that is a high bar to clear, unless you're a shoot e-drone

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:42:45 No.5729920 Report

Quoted By: >>5729952

>>5729875
>How dare you NuJamals not be happy when Meltzer overrates one of your matches
I do the same when he overrates Ass Spray and Ass Spray isn't from AEW, retard.

>>5729894
>Let me fabricate a retarded scenario in my head where Ishii and O-Khan (Did you mean Okada? Weird to bring O-Khan up, but whatever, I like him so I'm fine with that lol) move as slow and sloppily and wrestle as badly as Kingston
rent free

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:43:47 No.5729927 Report

Quoted By:

>>5729917
This is your brain on tranny cultism, that match was just another match on AEW TV, good but nothing that will be remembered in a week. If i had to use his old, before AEW shilling overdrive ratings, i'd give it 3 stars.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:46:59 No.5729952 Report

Quoted By: >>5730354

>>5729920
Okhan is worse than Kingston in every way

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:47:30 No.5729956 Report

Quoted By: >>5729973

I can't believe AEW trannies are genuinely trying to convince people in this thread that Kingston is a good wrestler. Does that fatass even get TV time on AEW? I assumed he was on Capital Collision cause he's no longer relevant in AEW now that the company has been overflooded with WWE reject after WWE reject, all much more talented than Kingston.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:48:25 No.5729963 Report

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>>5729898
This. Britt Baker has 4-star matches lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:49:02 No.5729968 Report

Quoted By: >>5730025

>Ass Spray
>Who(?)ta
You're never getting these lame nicknames over

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:49:26 No.5729972 Report

Quoted By: >>5729977

>>5729913
He is a great personality and can work, but he isn't believable when he tries the Kings Road shit and this whole movement of imitating stoic Japanese tropes that are based on Japanese storytelling is fucking cringe. You can't do bushido tropes in a story structure that doesn't reflect it and for an audience who have not been conditioned to understand it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:49:27 No.5729973 Report

Quoted By: >>5729980

>>5729956
AEW fans haven't watched any pro wrestling match that isn't clown shit, they think Kenny Olivier is the GOAT because he does silly faces and points fingers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:50:40 No.5729977 Report

Quoted By: >>5730033

>>5729972
He is also a unathletic slob, trying to emulate people that had some athletism. Like everything in AEW its pure dissonance, it makes no sense and that is the opposite of what good wrestling is.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:51:15 No.5729980 Report

Quoted By: >>5729990

>>5729973
>Kenny Olivier

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Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:51:38 No.5729983 Report

Quoted By:

>>5729913
Kingston's "gimmick" is he's a hoodlum that watched All Japan tapes. It could work if he weren't a slob and his execution were better, but as it stands it's cringe-inducing.

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Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:52:26 No.5729989 Report

Quoted By: >>5730018 >>5730029 >>5730047

NJPW chad here. I'd say he was a little high on the Kingston/Ishii match. I'd say it was a 4 star match, a very good match overall, but to say it was better than Hangman vs. Takeshita is a bit much. I'd rate Hangman vs. Takeshita as an actual 4.75, the only thing really holding it back from being a 5 star match was that it was a TV match, so time constraints, part of it being in picture in picture, etc.

Kingston vs. Ishii was still good though, not sure what all of the controversy is about. I think a lot of you have difficulty differentiating between when someone is selling exhaustion and when they're actually gassed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:52:35 No.5729990 Report

Quoted By:

>>5729980
Sorry, Twinkletoes Fingerbang, aka Meltzer's favourite wrestler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJnsSVDS4lY

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:52:37 No.5729991 Report

Quoted By: >>5730003

Misawa being fat convinced Kingston he could do the exact same shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:52:45 No.5729992 Report

Quoted By:

Kingston's best match was against Miro anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:53:53 No.5730003 Report

Quoted By:

>>5729991
Misawa wasn't fat for most of his career, Kingston is literally less athletic than Misawa before death when he had a beer belly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:55:27 No.5730018 Report

Quoted By: >>5730158

>>5729989
>I think a lot of you have difficulty differentiating between when someone is selling exhaustion and when they're actually gassed
He went for an interminable resthold like 4 minutes into the match lol
Nigger was genuinely gassed and the whole match slowed to a crawl. Ishii has had this type of choppa kino over a hundred times by now and there's no way this match with Kingston was even in the top 90 of them.
I don't doubt you're a NJPW chad nor am I accusing you of being a falseflagger, but I wonder if you agree with my statement in >>5729353

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:56:21 No.5730025 Report

Quoted By:

>>5729968
Literally Whota is a shitter. Cope, seethe, and dilate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:56:59 No.5730029 Report

Quoted By: >>5730038 >>5730127

>>5729989
An "NJPW chad" that watches AEW and even defends it, talking about dissonance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:57:27 No.5730033 Report

Quoted By: >>5730043

>>5729977
You don't need to copy Cornette's phraseology, dude. Speak in your own voice.
Yeah I agree to an extent. He also is earning money now, he needs to get himself good gear that fits his character. I say this knowing that the richest AEW guys come out in the worst looking gear because there is no one with a working brain to filter their awful ideas.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:57:45 No.5730038 Report

Quoted By: >>5730043

>>5730029
Not everything is a console war

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Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:58:45 No.5730043 Report

Quoted By:

>>5730033
I copy whoever i want, Cornette knows wrestling while petites don't.
>>5730038
It should be since AEW is a mockery of pro wrestling, it only because passable recently because its 80% ex-WWE talent, you know people that know how to be a pro wrestler.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 13:59:37 No.5730047 Report

Quoted By: >>5730158

>>5729989
>I'd rate Hangman vs. Takeshita as an actual 4.75
That is absurd beyond comprehension to me. I could see those two guys having a 4.75 with proper time. That was not even close to that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 14:08:56 No.5730127 Report

Quoted By: >>5730139

>>5730029
It was an NJPW event you fucking retard

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Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 14:10:38 No.5730139 Report

Quoted By:

>>5730127
Not him, but Hangman vs. Takeshita was not in a NJPW event, no.

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Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 14:12:36 No.5730158 Report

Quoted By: >>5730186 >>5730214 >>5730310

>>5730018
>>5730047
I think you guys just have a very strong anti-AEW bias. I don't have a bias against AEW at all. Hell, I'm glad for AEW because as much as I love NJPW, I still love the American wrestling television format with backstage segments, in-ring promos, etc, and they deliver that as well as decent in-ring wrestling on a pretty consistent basis.

Are you really going to say Takeshita vs. Hangman wasn't good because it was on AEW? What about Danielson vs. Omega? Was that also shit because you arbitrarily decided AEW was a 'mockery' of pro wrestling?

It's fine to have a strong bias but you should admit it and lead with a qualifier in pretty much every one of your posts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 14:16:10 No.5730186 Report

Quoted By: >>5730256

>>5730158
I don't have an inherent anti-AEW bias, it's just that a fuckload of their roster sucks dick, and Kingston is part of that. I'm the post on top you're replying to and you didn't reply to a single thing I said. You didn't try to defend the fact I supposedly misunderstood his gas as a work, despite the fact Mister King's Road went for an interminable resthold 4 minutes into the match, you didn't try to deny the fact Ishii has had this kind of match with much better talent at least 90 times by now, and you didn't even acknowledge my statement where I talked about 6 great matches from BOSJ's first four days that I believe were all better than the Kingston match by miles. Did you not watch them?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 14:19:40 No.5730214 Report

Quoted By: >>5730254 >>5730256 >>5730632

>>5730158
>Are you really going to say Takeshita vs. Hangman wasn't good because it was on AEW?
I'm going to say that it wasn't a 4.75 and that it's absurd to claim that it was even in the 4 star range. It was an enjoyable little TV match that was almost half an angle half an actual match between two very good wrestlers. As I said, you put that on a PPV and yeah, it could maybe even reach 5 stars.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 14:24:11 No.5730254 Report

Quoted By: >>5730632

>>5730214
I agree. And having watched Takeshita and Page since they started, it's hilarious to rate that match so high. Takeshita was doing way less than normal and Page was too. It was a fun match, deserves a nice 3. The scores in generally are way too high. Average should be on the half way line, most matches shouldn't be hitting 4. Fucking nonsense.

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Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 14:24:20 No.5730256 Report

Quoted By: >>5730305 >>5730321

>>5730186
I didn't respond to your criticism because it's all fucking subjective, retard, and "no u" posting bores the shit out of me. For example
>for an interminable resthold
You might be the type of faggot that says Okada does 'nothing but restholds' because you're a geek that doesn't understand psychology. There are plenty of idiots like that on /pw/ and I get the feeling that you're one of them. You're claiming, unironically, that you don't have an inherent anti-AEW bias but you've already demonstrated your anti-AEW bias to me with your review of the Kingston/Ishii match.
>but bro Ishii's had 90 better matches and what about these BOSJ matches!
>hey bro compare a Master Wato match to choppa
Shut the fuck up, you interminable fucking moron. Those are pointless apples to oranges comparisons. I judge matches on their individual merit. I don't think, "Gee, how the fuck does this multi-man tag on a NJPW Road To show compare to Gerald Briscoe vs. Terry Funk" because that's a fucking RETARDED THING TO DO.

I was trying to be polite by ignoring all of your talking points so I wouldn't be forced to do what I just did to you. Sorry, better to just agree to disagree when there's such a wide gulf in taste.
>>5730214
>absurd to claim it was in the 4 star range
I think it's absurd to claim that it wasn't in the 4 star range. I could see somebody arguing between a 4 and a 4.75 and that's a reasonable margin but anything below that and I'm just going to write you off as being a slack-jawed queer with shit taste.

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Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 14:26:09 No.5730270 Report

Quoted By: >>5730318

>>5729204
God damn, imagine arguing about this guy's opinion on wrestling matches, get a fucking grip please

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 14:29:53 No.5730305 Report

Quoted By: >>5730376

>>5730256
>I judge matches on their individual merit
The fuck does that mean, retard? A 4.5 star match is better than a 4 star match, that's the whole point of ranking the matches on stars to begin with. You don't just throw stars at random, they're supposed to mean something. You make it sound like "Judging on individual merit" means you just throw around a contextless number of stars that you were feeling like it up to this point. I also understand that tastes fluctuate to an extent and after you reviewed hundreds of matches, you're not gonna be literally able to have them be completely consistent. You will have matches you had at 4.5 that you enjoyed less than a match you had at 4.25. But we're talking about matches that all happened in the same fucking week. New Japan, in a single week, had 6 matches that were miles ahead of the Kingston match. Is it because New Japan is a god tier promotion? Or is it maybe because the Kingston match is overrated by an extreme margin? Talk about biases all you want, they just sound like projection from you for even wanting to give the Kingston match 4 stars to begin with.
Just say "I didn't watch those matches, sorry" and stop embarrassing yourself with deflections.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 14:30:17 No.5730310 Report

Quoted By: >>5730376

>>5730158
I have a bias for good, credible wrestling. AEW isn't good and especially isn't credible in the slightest, i mean they featured Marko Stunt and other talentless backyard shitters in their main TV show for years.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 14:30:55 No.5730318 Report

Quoted By: >>5730341

>>5730270
t. waifufag / joshipedo / console warrior

imagine thinking you're superior to anyone
you post on /pw/, you're already the lowest of the low

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 14:31:03 No.5730321 Report

Quoted By: >>5730376

>>5730256
Not him but criticism can't be subjective unless the work demands a subjective critique - like if it is a mirror.

Subject and object refer to the viewer and the work. The subject, viewer, observes the object, work.
In objectivity the viewer looks at the work and critiques the definite aspects of the work. In subjectivity the subject looks at the object and talks about it in terms of themselves.
Examples-
Objectivity: literal explanation of what actually, physically makes up the object as well as what it intends to achieve and if it does it.
Subjectivy: "this reminds me of something I saw once", "I like this", "taht man is funnier on twitter so everything he does is good".

Don't bring your self reflective fallacies to a discussion of quality.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 14:32:33 No.5730341 Report

Quoted By:

>>5730318
I'm superior to (You) and Meltzer so that's enough for me, sweaty.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 14:33:36 No.5730354 Report

Quoted By: >>5730360

>>5729952
you havent gotten a (You) on this but Ill give you a pity one becauss you seem very desperate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 14:34:17 No.5730360 Report

Quoted By: >>5730407

>>5730354
lol based, I couldn't even be arsed replying

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Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 14:37:15 No.5730376 Report

Quoted By: >>5730392 >>5730441 >>5730450 >>5730507

>>5730305
>You don't just throw stars at random
Holy autism, do you not understand the subjectivity of critique at all? It's not 'random'. It's MY TASTE. You're rating matches according to YOUR TASTE which I just so happen to think is SHIT. Understand?
I'm not going to read the rest of your autism paragraph, pal. Go burn some calories, you sound like you need it.
>>5730310
Your post reads like a Cornette talking point. Surely you're not so stupid as to be taken in by his hyperbolic hucksterism, right? Because he's just a feckless shock-jock spouting generic contrarian opinions to pander to an audience and protect his revenue stream.
Anyway, I also have a bias for good, credible wrestling. I think AEW has good, credible wrestling somewhat consistently -- at least 2-3 good matches a month. Is it as consistent as NJPW, or even NOAH, or DDT? No. But that doesn't mean it's without merit or bad, either.
>>5730321
The work does demand a subjective critique. How does rating wrestling matches differ from rating a film exactly? Do films have no technical aspects which might be judged on a more objective scale? Does that somehow make film criticism OBJECTIVE? If you've read any sort of review of a movie or even been to Rotten Tomatoes on the past 10 years, you understand how subjective film criticism is.

I appreciate the attempt at arguing semantics but once your argument is recognized for what it is, it's easily dismissed. You know what I'm talking about -- there are no /facts/ in the criticism of art. Wrestling is art, like a film, etc, and the opinion of even the most learned of critics (ie Meltzer in this case) is ultimately just an opinion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 14:38:34 No.5730392 Report

Quoted By: >>5730426

>>5730376
>Holy autism, do you not understand the subjectivity of critique at all? It's not 'random'. It's MY TASTE.
Ok, so why did you deflect with "muh individual merits" (A sentence that doesn't mean anything in the context you were using it) instead of just fucking replying to my original question comparing the matches?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 14:39:50 No.5730407 Report

Quoted By:

>>5730360
its funny I find myself doing just that a lot on this board the last couple of months, the bait isnt even fun to meme back and forth with because its so cringe.

this place geniunely sucks outside of gamethreads and even those get assholes trying to attentionwhore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 14:41:28 No.5730425 Report

Quoted By: >>5730438

>How fucking dare you dislike this match? It's obviously anti-AEW bias. Has to be. You must publicize it beforehand.
>All taste is subjective, my opinion is my opinion and your opinion is yours
What a wild ride this dude has been lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 14:41:38 No.5730426 Report

Quoted By: >>5730466

>>5730392
>deflect
You reveal your bias again with your aggressively argumentative posture. You're deeply invested in this shit because you clearly hate AEW. There's such a feeling of SEETHE radiating from all of your posts that it's fucking unreal. Calm down, your fucking blood pressure's going to make your heart explode.
Also, are you actually fucking retarded? Did you not understand my meaning, that I judge each match by the match itself? That I'm not comparing it to random other matches which are often entirely different styles of wrestling? Because that was my point, for fuck's sake. I thought it was pretty simple to understand.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 14:42:44 No.5730438 Report

Quoted By: >>5730473 >>5730731

>>5730425
>seething so hard that you're not even directly replying now
And it is subjective. What I'm saying is that your subjective taste is fucking SHIT and is riddled and distorted by your very obvious and very aggressive anti-AEW bias.

Seek help. You've posted in this thread like 60 fucking times.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 14:42:55 No.5730441 Report

Quoted By: >>5730511

>>5730376
>I think AEW has good, credible wrestling somewhat consistently
>at least 2-3 good matches a month

2 or 3 matches that make any sense in an entire month is a very low amount, no one with a brain will take anything that happens in those matches half seriously because of all the garbage that surrounds those bouts, you can't have the Lucha Bros and the Bucks doing syncronized dances for 50 minutes and then expect people to care about what comes after, even if whatever comes after is "credible"

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 14:44:02 No.5730450 Report

Quoted By: >>5730462

>>5730376
>nobody mentions Jim Cornette
>tranny goes on a rant about Jim Cornette
every time

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 14:45:10 No.5730460 Report

Quoted By: >>5730471

>Penta/PAC/Fenix vs. Quen/Butcher/Blade 4
I'll admit I haven't seen the match but this seems like Dave;s most egregious offense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 14:45:16 No.5730462 Report

Quoted By:

>>5730450
they hate him with a passion but have kept him relevant for almost a decade its hilarious

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 14:45:37 No.5730466 Report

Quoted By: >>5730511

>>5730426
>You reveal your bias again with your aggressively argumentative posture
My argumentative posture comes from you accusing me of having a bias for saying the Kingston match was mediocre at best. Honestly, it just sounds like you realized your "You guys can't distinguish fake gassed from real gassing" line hit its face on the floor and you scrambled for some weak shit like that.

>That I'm not comparing it to random other matches which are often entirely different styles of wrestling? Because that was my point, for fuck's sake. I thought it was pretty simple to understand.
So, when you said that the Kingston match was not a 4.75 to you, but a 4 stars match, you didn't mean that it was better than every match below 4 stars and worse than every match above 4 stars? What do you think the stars mean?

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Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 14:46:13 No.5730471 Report

Quoted By:

>>5730460
Rey Fenix was in it. That's automatically 4 stars for Dave.

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Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 14:46:38 No.5730473 Report

Quoted By: >>5730511

>>5730438
>And it is subjective. What I'm saying is that your subjective taste is fucking SHIT
LMFAO
I accept your concession. A funny concession. But a concession nonetheless.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 14:49:56 No.5730507 Report

Quoted By: >>5730531

>>5730376
>The work does demand a subjective critique. How does rating wrestling matches differ from rating a film exactly?
>no I ignore you because I decided something is right
The fuck are you talking about.
Criticism is looking at an object and making an informed report of where it could have been improved to better achieve its intention.
That can't be done subjectively. I don't know how you didn't understand that dumbed down explanation.
Criticism is objective, opinion is subjective. Opinion is a self reflection, criticism is about the work.
It's not complicated.
Lmao at citing rotten tomatoes as your example of criticism. Go read a book.
Objectivity can vary in values because to have a statement of "this is good" it needs to be in a context; "this is good headlock". Contexts can get very complex and there can be disagreement. Everyone has different experiences so complete objectivity is near impossible. A rating is on a scale, the scale is in a category like "cinematography" and it will include competence and how effective it was to the concept on the scale to determine its score. That's how this works.
> there are no /facts/ in the criticism of art. Wrestling is art, like a film, etc
Fuck off you dilettante. First of all, art (which you obviously don't know anything about if your making that statement) is centred around criticism. Work is shown to be analysed and then discussed. That's the entire point of art.
Wrestling is not art, it's entertainment. Can an individual wrestling match have artistry, yeah sure. But there has never been wrestling in an art context. Same as film. There is video art and there are films that employ artistry etc. Film is film and is made primarily in the context of film. Same as all media. Not every painting is art, hence the front of your granny's house isn't art. It's not complicated at all if your brain works. Try it out some time, again go read a book. Stop pretending you know about things you know nothing about.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 14:50:24 No.5730511 Report

Quoted By: >>5730517 >>5730574

>>5730441
>2 or 3 matches that make any sense
That's not what I said. They have more than 2 or 3 matches that make sense every month, a lot of their matches make perfect sense but they're just not very good because often the quality of the worker is sub-par, or they have a lot of green guys, whatever.
But 2 or 3 good matches a month is really good for American wrestling and I'm not going to pretend it isn't.
>>5730466
>>5730473
>posts is exactly 1 minute apart because of the posting limit
>clearly the same poster
Like I said, seek help. You're responsible for an embarrassing number of posts in this thread. I've posted too much myself so this'll be my last.

Stay mad
Stay seething
Stay a pleb with shit taste that doesn't understand psychology

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 14:50:50 No.5730517 Report

Quoted By:

>>5730511
>Wrestling opinions are subjective. Mine are just less subjective than yours.

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Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 14:52:50 No.5730531 Report

Quoted By: >>5730543

>>5730507
nigger if you think criticism is objective you're delusional but i'd like to live in the world you do, must be nice

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Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 14:54:14 No.5730543 Report

Quoted By: >>5730556

>>5730531
Criticism is literally objective. Letting random idiots like Dave Meltzer say "this gave me a boner so that means it's 8 stars" doesn't mean that they are actual critics or people who should be listened to.

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Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 14:56:15 No.5730556 Report

Quoted By: >>5730604

>>5730543
i dont understand your point dude
so roger ebert wasn't a real critic? rolling stone's music reviews arent done by critics? or are you saying they're all objective because they're critics?

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Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 14:58:13 No.5730574 Report

Quoted By:

>>5730511
Well, since you're letting me have the last word, I'll very happily take it.

You embarrassed yourself when you tried pretending Kingston was doing le ebin fake gassing and you never recovered from that point forward. You have obviously not watched any or at least most of the matches I mentioned and are far behind BOSJ, being the great "NJPW chad" you are. You wore yourself down with your first few posts and just got trounced around after from all directions. Just like your dear fatass Kingston in his 2.75 stars at best match where not even Ishii could carry him. KWAB.

Now be the bigger man than the disgusting scoundrel I am and don't reply.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 15:01:26 No.5730604 Report

Quoted By: >>5730620

>>5730556
I literally explained how objectivity works, what is your issue?
Ebert employed an objective scale, you can go do your research and see how he rated things based on their intent instead of everything on the same criteria. You cna literally find all his reviews online.
Review and critique are not the same thing. Reviewer and critic are not the same thing. If you don't know these basic, English words you can go learn them on your own.
Dave isn't a critic, he is a guy who asks people for information and then he writes it down, but also he assigns scores to matches based on some weird autistic logic only he understands.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 15:03:18 No.5730620 Report

Quoted By: >>5730652

>>5730604
so why did Ebert disagree with Siskel so much if they both used an objective scale?
you can't say that he didn't respect Siskel as a critic because they worked closely together for most of their careers but often had opposing viewpoints

so if both of them are objective critics, why aren't all of their critiques in lockstep?
criticism seems pretty subjective to me dude

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 15:05:11 No.5730632 Report

Quoted By:

>>5730214
>>5730254
Agreed

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Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 15:07:49 No.5730645 Report

Quoted By: >>5730659

What's the deal with nujapan "chads" all being avatarfags?

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Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 15:08:20 No.5730652 Report

Quoted By: >>5730682

>>5730620
Sudw I literally explained that already.
You scale different values. You critique based on a value and ideally it's a cross between the intent of the work/market it is made for and the competence of the craftsmanship. You can disagree with scores. The point is that you're judging the work and not yourself.
>I think the blue was a bit too blue
>well I disagree, I think it drove home how depressed they all were
That's called a discussion, it is what happens when people with brains talk about things. Subjectivity would be:
>IT WAS BLUE, NO I LIKE PINK MORE SO ITS BAD
>blue? Haha, I love blues music so it's great.
Do you see the difference? If not you're a lost cause. You cna use your Internet connection to learn things instead of being actively stupid and arguing about things you don't understand.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 15:08:54 No.5730659 Report

Quoted By:

>>5730645
Different reaction images that happen to be different guys in New Japan aren't avatars.

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Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 15:11:58 No.5730682 Report

Quoted By: >>5730712

>>5730652
>you scale different values
That's what subjective taste is dude. youre literally just defining subjective taste is
it seems to me like you're just trying to split hairs and argue semantics but you dont really know what youre talking about either.

the only difference between your two comparisons is that the ones on top are done by informed individuals who have seen a lot of movies, who have made a career of offering their opinions on them. that's what a film critic is. people go to them for their opinions because they are informed but they are still ultimately opinions

The reason we are even talking about Meltzer's opinions of matches is because he is a well known wrestling journalist and many people believe him to have an informed opinion, no different than Siskel or Ebert or Scaruffi, or even a random youtuber like Anthony Fantano

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Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 15:16:20 No.5730712 Report

Quoted By:

>>5730682
>That's what subjective taste is dude
No its not you complete retard. They are different values, not preference. They are different schools of thought.
There are these things called ideologies. They are frames of reference. That is not the same thing as "uhhh I like Ishii he is little man who does chops".
Seriously stop pretending you know what any of these words mean because you clearly don't.
I actually got mad at how stupid you are.

Imagine an engineer walks into a room and starts explaining what engineers do and some fuck head shouts over him claiming that he is wrong and engineering is actually when you lift up an engine out of a car and wear it as an earring.
That's what you're doing right now; being a complete fucking retard.
I'm out, hopefully you go read a book instead of guessing what words mean and grandstanding.

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Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 15:18:01 No.5730723 Report

Quoted By:

>>5729204
Dave is a motherfucking retard.

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Anonymous Fri 20 May 2022 15:19:29 No.5730731 Report

Quoted By:

>>5730438
>And it is subjective. What I'm saying is that your subjective taste is fucking SHIT

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>>5729204
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