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Anonymous Mon 08 Aug 2022 06:01:42 No.6727174 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>6727210 >>6727505 >>6727581 >>6728075 >>6730146 >>6730215

Dave Meltzer says Canadian wresltlers are better at wrestling because they looked up to Chris Benoit and Bret Hart and Owen, whereas American wrestlers grew up with Hogan and Warrior

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Aug 2022 06:05:52 No.6727198 Report

Quoted By: >>6727401 >>6728971

i like all 5 five of those wrestlers. i hate this idea (derived from meltzer and other parroting him) that Hogan, Warrior and Luger were somehow bad at wrestling. i never believed that nor understood that way of thinking. especially when meltzer at the time talks about being open minded regarding different styles and types of wrestlers, even saying there's no right or wrong way.

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Anonymous Mon 08 Aug 2022 06:08:06 No.6727210 Report

Quoted By: >>6727401 >>6728068

>>6727174
Dave Meltzer is a fucking idiot if he thinks that Hogan and Warrior weren't bigger than Benoit and Owen in Canada. Bret might have been on the same level after 97, but as usual, he doesn't know shit.

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Anonymous Mon 08 Aug 2022 06:12:16 No.6727234 Report

Quoted By: >>6727401

meltzer should have got into politics. he'd fit right in. he always has to force his opinions on everybody. always talked shit about JYD, Hogan and Warrior. he didn't even like Bob Backlund during the day and he was a technical wrestler so i don't know what the fuck dave's problem is.

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Anonymous Mon 08 Aug 2022 06:29:22 No.6727333 Report

Quoted By: >>6727340 >>6727401 >>6727411 >>6727415 >>6729154

Thats why Jericho is the best. He's both.

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Anonymous Mon 08 Aug 2022 06:31:54 No.6727340 Report

Quoted By: >>6728251

>>6727333
you can't be both. that makes him neither. he's a man without a country.

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Anonymous Mon 08 Aug 2022 06:42:42 No.6727401 Report

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>>6727198
>>6727210
>>6727234
>chud boomers triggered
Sure they were draws but all of them sucked ass and couldn’t tell a story in the ring.
>>6727333
This unironically

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Anonymous Mon 08 Aug 2022 06:43:44 No.6727411 Report

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>>6727333
Trips of truth

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Anonymous Mon 08 Aug 2022 06:44:43 No.6727415 Report

Quoted By: >>6727430

>>6727333
midcarder

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Aug 2022 06:47:05 No.6727430 Report

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>>6727415
Ok and? Benoit, and Owen both were midcarders? We’re talking wrestling-wise retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Aug 2022 06:50:32 No.6727443 Report

Quoted By: >>6727541

>Autistic Weeb Kike starts writing niche wrestling rag sheet in mid 80’s
>changes the course of wrestling history forever because Silk chugging man children need his validation to feel like they draw dimes

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Anonymous Mon 08 Aug 2022 07:02:14 No.6727505 Report

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>>6727174
dave meltzer is a fucking dumbass everything that comes out of his head sounds like a stoned teenager who thinks they just had the most original thought in the world

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Anonymous Mon 08 Aug 2022 07:07:43 No.6727541 Report

Quoted By: >>6727558

>>6727443
how do you drink silk?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Aug 2022 07:12:19 No.6727558 Report

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>>6727541
that's what they call it. my brother drinks that shit. its the brand name. he said its more like water and they can't legally call it milk. i don't get it. i don't know why people can't just drink real milk anymore. what is the fuck is going on in this world nowadays.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Aug 2022 07:17:17 No.6727581 Report

Quoted By: >>6727601

>>6727174
Theres documented, videotape evidence that anyone can stream of canada giving way more of a shit about hogan before, during and after bret hart than there is evidence of bret ever being even half as over as hogan was at his worst.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Aug 2022 07:20:35 No.6727601 Report

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>>6727581
it's proven fact Hulk Hogan put wrestling on the map in Canada. definitely put WWF on the map in Canada. he is the biggest draw in canadian history, headlined all of the top cards in canadian history, nobody is close. bret is second but it's a distant second.

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Anonymous Mon 08 Aug 2022 07:20:39 No.6727602 Report

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canada had the only 8 star match in history

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Anonymous Mon 08 Aug 2022 07:24:02 No.6727615 Report

Quoted By: >>6727651 >>6727913

How come Dave is always defending shit wrestlers like Riho because they "always get over with the crowd" and overrates matches because the crowd was into it, but buries wrestlers who were much more over and got much bigger crowd reactions like Hogan/Warrior?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Aug 2022 07:27:20 No.6727631 Report

Quoted By: >>6727667

Hogan is THE BEST WRESTLER EVER.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Aug 2022 07:29:59 No.6727651 Report

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>>6727615
i wish someone would point blank ask him this (not on twitter) and in a way that he can't weasel out of giving a straight answer.
>>6727615
correct.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Aug 2022 07:33:27 No.6727667 Report

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>>6727631
The best at erasing his legacy by being a racist chud faggot that will never be able to show his face or be mentioned at a wrestling event without getting booed out of the arena

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Aug 2022 07:37:10 No.6727686 Report

Quoted By: >>6727697

meltzer rated andre vs warrior -½*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A19f6Iop8-Y
the readers of his fanzine voted it worst match of the year.
tells all you need to know about the Obswerver and metlzer and his cult followers.

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Anonymous Mon 08 Aug 2022 07:40:14 No.6727697 Report

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>>6727686
Good, that match fucking sucked. Even Warrior got a better match out of Andre

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Aug 2022 08:33:53 No.6727913 Report

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>>6727615
Because Dave himself is a smark. His opinions are meaningless just as all opinions are, and the only people that value them are the same people who believe "workrate" and putting on a good match is more important than drawing dollars. In the world of professional wrestling, the only thing that makes you "good" is how much money you draw, and dave values those who can run the ropes more than those who make money. It doesn't matter if you can put on a "5 star match" when nobody pays to see it lol.

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Anonymous Mon 08 Aug 2022 09:15:31 No.6728068 Report

Quoted By: >>6730085

>>6727210
The argument is about wrestling ability, not popularity

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Aug 2022 09:17:29 No.6728075 Report

Quoted By: >>6728088 >>6728114 >>6728126

>>6727174
Hogan and Warrior are great wrestlers. They got the crowd invested, which is half the battle. Guys like Ricochet, Ali, Murphy, they have far better moves, but they can’t get the crowd invested and they can’t make the moves mean anything.

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Anonymous Mon 08 Aug 2022 09:22:25 No.6728088 Report

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>>6728075
>they have far better moves
do they really? i don't agree with that at all. i'd rather watch any hogan or warrior match. richochet, ali and murphy, all they do is stupid fake looking shit that made me want to shut it off. hogan and warrior look like they're wrestlers actually wrestling, they're not doing ballerina recitals or sitting on the mat staring at each other.

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Anonymous Mon 08 Aug 2022 09:34:48 No.6728114 Report

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>>6728075
>Hogan and Warrior are great wrestlers. They got the crowd invested, which is half the battle. Guys like Ricochet, Ali, Murphy, they have far better moves
hogan and warrior moves like the big boot, splash, leg drop and gorilla press slam are strong and look painful and believable enough. those other guys just jump and fly around in the most choreographed cirque du soleil way imagine. it doesn't even resemble pro wrestling. every one of their matches exposes wrestling every time they do some retarded dive out of the ring and their idiot opponent helps them by catching them instead of letting their sorry ass fall to the floor as one would do if they were actually fighting.

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Anonymous Mon 08 Aug 2022 09:39:49 No.6728126 Report

Quoted By: >>6728128 >>6730151

>>6728075
>Warrior are great wrestlers
Lmao

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Anonymous Mon 08 Aug 2022 09:41:02 No.6728128 Report

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>>6728126
wasn't he? what made him not great?

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Anonymous Mon 08 Aug 2022 10:12:22 No.6728251 Report

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>>6727340

Kill yourself, Ivan. It'll be better than what awaits you after the chair of your local drafting office gets bored of the blowjobs your mother's giving him to keep you from getting gangraped by Asians on a daily basis in the army.

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Anonymous Mon 08 Aug 2022 12:12:36 No.6728971 Report

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>>6727198
You are absolutely delusional

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Anonymous Mon 08 Aug 2022 12:39:52 No.6729154 Report

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>>6727333
Austin was a good worker. Not at the level of Bret or Benoit, but still good. And of course Austin has charisma, he's a great talker, had a dimes look, and he has the "it" factor. Austin was the total package. And yet it wasn't until his injuries made him simplify his in-ring style that he became the biggest draw in wrestling.

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Trooth Bombz from /asp/ !ntxFr6SCLM Mon 08 Aug 2022 15:07:28 No.6730085 Report

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>>6728068
Brainlet, the discussion is about the wrestling ability of the most popular wrestlers in the region. Bret Hart is a given, but saying that Owen or Benoit were more over in Canada than Hogan is just completely false.
Kevin Owens is a modern day Canadian wrestler and a gigantic (lol) mark for Steve Austin. His buddy Zayn isn't exactly known as a submission technician either.
Isn't Le Ten Man Canadian? Isn't Jinder Canadian? Isn't Meltzer talking out of his ass?

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Anonymous Mon 08 Aug 2022 15:08:36 No.6730090 Report

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>Dave says something correct
>retards cry

Same old shit

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Anonymous Mon 08 Aug 2022 15:18:26 No.6730146 Report

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>>6727174
>Dave Meltzer says

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Anonymous Mon 08 Aug 2022 15:20:18 No.6730151 Report

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>>6728126
go back faggot

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ProWresBlog !1JPtDnh8WA Mon 08 Aug 2022 15:27:20 No.6730196 Report

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There's no correlation with being a good wrestler and drawing money. Some of the best wrestlers ever according to the IWC didn't draw squat, while some of the biggest drawing wrestler ever weren't considered great wrestlers. It's stupid to look for that since it ultimately doesn't pay the bills and without money, you can't run wrestling shows. 99% of wrestling promoters and wrestling shows were not designed to have the best possible match, but to build to other matches and to draw in fans. Judging these shows on how many good matches they had is like judging a movie by how many explosions it had.

There also is no consensus on what a five star match or great worker is. According to Dave's ratings, Okada/Omega was the greatest match in the history of wrestling. I didn't think it was good and the majority of my top matches this year will not make Dave's list or anyone else's list, because even super hardcore fans truly don't care enough to step outside of their comfort zone or open up their wallet to see some of them.

And I have a very hard time understanding why someone who wants to be a wrestler would try and copy Chris Benoit over Hulk, who is the most famous wrestler ever and one of the biggest drawing wrestlers ever. You can't find anything that Hulk did that might be worthwhile to learn from?

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Anonymous Mon 08 Aug 2022 15:30:08 No.6730215 Report

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>>6727174
and how many matches has Dave wrestled? how many shows has he booked? hmmm? very interesting indeed.

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ProWresBlog !1JPtDnh8WA Mon 08 Aug 2022 15:31:49 No.6730220 Report

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There's no correlation with being a good wrestler and drawing money. Some of the best wrestlers ever according to the IWC didn't draw squat, while some of the biggest drawing wrestlers ever weren't considered great wrestlers. It's stupid to look for that since it ultimately doesn't pay the bills and without money, you can't run wrestling shows. 99% of wrestling promoters and wrestling shows were not designed to have the best possible match, but to build to other matches and to draw in fans. Judging these shows on how many good matches they had is like judging a movie by how many explosions it had.

There also is no consensus on what a five star match or great worker is. According to Dave's ratings, Okada/Omega was the greatest match in the history of wrestling. I didn't think it was good and the majority of my top matches this year will not make Dave's list or anyone else's list, because even super hardcore fans truly don't care enough to step outside of their comfort zone or open up their wallet to see some of them.

And I have a very hard time understanding why someone who wants to be a wrestler would try and copy Chris Benoit over Hulk, who is the most famous wrestler ever and one of the biggest drawing wrestlers ever. You can't find anything that Hulk did that might be worthwhile to learn from?

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