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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 18:51:32 No.7386169 View View Reply Original Report

Was Kenny Omega right? Is there a big difference in skill between joshi players and western female wrestlers?

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 18:52:05 No.7386174 Report

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Kenny Omega is the gayest man on earth.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 18:52:29 No.7386181 Report

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>>7386169

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 18:53:07 No.7386190 Report

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>>7386169
Yamashita is not good but Rosa is a shitter too

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 18:53:12 No.7386191 Report

Quoted By: >>7387010

>>7386169
Come on, she did have to wrestle a literal sandbag

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 18:55:01 No.7386214 Report

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Yes there is. A huge gap exist in skill. That match was just a piss poor though.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 18:57:13 No.7386246 Report

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>>7386169
Yes, it’s a massive gap and for every example of a joshi fucking something up you can usually find about 50 botches from western females

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 18:59:19 No.7386268 Report

Quoted By: >>7386509 >>7393244

>>7386169
Ok Rosa forgot that Miyu does a second kick to the back of the knees there, it happens. But what the fuck was Miyu waiting for there before delivering the big spinny kick? What was Rosa supposed to so there?

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 19:06:36 No.7386344 Report

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 19:09:33 No.7386382 Report

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>>7386169
Look up Riho vs Jamie Hayter for the answer.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 19:09:48 No.7386386 Report

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 19:11:20 No.7386405 Report

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>>7386386
Look so much better when she has a decent partner.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 19:12:33 No.7386415 Report

Quoted By: >>7386461 >>7386509

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 19:12:41 No.7386417 Report

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>>7386382
Best womens match in AEW history desu

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 19:15:26 No.7386447 Report

Quoted By: >>7386500 >>7386768

>>7386169
Kenny pre-seething about Cornette's reaction to Miyu and then his complete silence when Miyu shit the bed was so hilarious. I don't know if Cornette even covered the match in the end.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 19:16:47 No.7386461 Report

Quoted By: >>7386511 >>7386535

>>7386415
You think they don't go over their matches while in AEW and that leads to the clusterfucks in the ring?

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 19:20:34 No.7386500 Report

Quoted By: >>7386944

>>7386447
Didn't help having rosa be her opponent since she was getting shit for sandbagging and the like.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 19:21:22 No.7386509 Report

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>>7386268
Miyu sweeps her and then follows it up with the corkscrew kick. Rosa, like a moron, sits up. Then continues to sit up and stare while Miyu is blatantly motioning her to lay the fuck down until Miyu has to go "fuck it" and kick her in the chest, at which point the entire sequence is blown. But it goes to shit even before that. Look at Rosa's half-assed jog to the ropes.

>>7386415
Hearing the crowd groan and die when Miyu hit the Crash Rabbit Heat was really funny.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 19:21:23 No.7386511 Report

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>>7386461
Not much you can do when Rosa goes into business for herself every match now

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 19:23:19 No.7386535 Report

Quoted By: >>7386542 >>7386675 >>7389919 >>7394947

>>7386461
Probably. Tony flies them in last minute so they might not even have time to work things out since they'll usually have days or weeks to work out a match in TJPW. Then again, Miyu and the like have also wrestled small indy shows in the US and been fine. Part of the problem is just that people like Britt and Rosa straight up suck and there's only so much you can work with.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 19:24:18 No.7386542 Report

Quoted By: >>7386886

>>7386535
Rosa had just wrestled Miyu in TJPW like the week before, she didn’t pull her shit then

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 19:24:31 No.7386544 Report

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>>7386174
No, you are and your obsessed with him.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 19:27:48 No.7386588 Report

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 19:29:21 No.7386605 Report

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Rosa would never try that shit with Raku.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 19:31:17 No.7386626 Report

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>>7386405
Well miyu's robinson special always looks terrible. She doesn't have the athleticism to pull it off.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 19:31:23 No.7386627 Report

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shame they stuck her with rosa. set her up to fail

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 19:35:43 No.7386675 Report

Quoted By: >>7386696 >>7386731 >>7386980

>>7386535
There is a reason why britt will always be at the top in aew. She knows how to talk, a quality you need to get anywhere in American pro wrestling. Not just is ring but outside in other media appearances. She has given speeches in college football games, hosted a summer event program with hayter and rebel, and was part of the comic con panel this year.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 19:37:59 No.7386696 Report

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>>7386675
Yeah, Britt may be garbage in the ring but that bitch is dimes on the mic.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 19:39:33 No.7386709 Report

Quoted By: >>7386715

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 19:40:11 No.7386715 Report

Quoted By: >>7386791

>>7386709
She ded?

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 19:41:29 No.7386727 Report

Quoted By: >>7386745

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 19:41:40 No.7386730 Report

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>>7386169
>those 2 fat losers clapping in the crowd after that shit

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 19:41:41 No.7386731 Report

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>>7386675
Britt being allowed to shoot on the rest of the womens locker room doesn’t mean she’s a good talker

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 19:42:32 No.7386741 Report

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>>7386169
On average, no. The top 1% of gooks are better than any western woman but not by much.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 19:42:41 No.7386745 Report

Quoted By: >>7387015

>>7386727
Lmao wtf

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 19:45:13 No.7386768 Report

Quoted By: >>7386781

>>7386447
he did talk about it, they just never posted a clip on youtube. iirc he shit on miyu for botching, being bland, having a shitty body and said she'd never draw money anywhere

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 19:46:06 No.7386781 Report

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>>7386768
>corny talking shit about someone else’s body

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 19:46:49 No.7386791 Report

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>>7386715
You can't kill a joshi.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 19:55:09 No.7386886 Report

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>>7386542
It was like the 4th or 5th best match on the card, Rosa just isn't that good and Miyu is hit or miss.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 19:59:37 No.7386924 Report

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>>7386344
this isn't wrestling
dumb joshipedos

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 20:01:29 No.7386944 Report

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>>7386500
Piyu is accustomed to doing fake MMA in a wrestling ring, and when the time came to grapple, she shit the bed

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 20:04:31 No.7386973 Report

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>>7386588
joshipedo weebs call this wrestling

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 20:04:50 No.7386980 Report

Quoted By: >>7389436

>>7386675
>She knows how to talk
She cuts boilerplate bitchy heel promos. I guess that puts her above most of the other women who either can't talk at all or don't speak English but she's not a particularly good talker. She cuts promos like a WWE low carder.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 20:07:08 No.7387010 Report

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>>7386169
>>7386191
She should have lost the kayfabe and turned the strikes real if she's insisting on being such a shitty worker in the middle of a match.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 20:07:25 No.7387015 Report

Quoted By: >>7389461

>>7386745
Ram isn't a particularly good wrestler. You'd think having been in the business since she was a kid and being the daughter of a prominent indy guy would mean she'd be better but she's never had to be good. She got by first on being the "Undertaker girl" and now on her look.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 20:49:35 No.7387537 Report

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There is a difference, Joshis are way worse.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 20:52:04 No.7387570 Report

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>>7386169
she looks completely gassed and is clearly used to being forgiven for her fuckups by her usual audience of japanese horndogs

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 23:17:29 No.7389130 Report

Quoted By: >>7389306

>>7386169
>Rosa
For goodness' sake. I'm glad she at least wasn't doing this when I saw her wrestle Deeb.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 23:37:02 No.7389306 Report

Quoted By: >>7389341

>>7389130
The Rosa v Deeb match started good but quickly fell apart after and turned into a bit of a clusterfuck. I couldn't understand how she would have a great match one week but then have a shit fest the next, but when the stories about Rosa started coming out it all made sense. Remember that phony apology video she made for sandbagging Shafir?

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 23:40:33 No.7389341 Report

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>>7389306
I'd call marina a goober for going along with it but can understand that she'd rather avoid heat with uppercard wrestlers

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 23:43:27 No.7389367 Report

Quoted By: >>7394755 >>7396414

>>7386169
I don't watch Joshi stuff, but from what I've seen from random webm's posted here and the crap I half watched on WWE/AEW with western women. This is the breakdown, Western women try and wrestle like they are men, with an emphasis on slams and other upper body moves. This ends up looking awkward on TV because they are slow as shit and the opponent has to wait to be lifted. Joshi seem to focus more on striking, lariats, and submissions. This covers up the lack of athleticism from their wrestlers and allows the match to feel more fluid. In the end they are both shit.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 23:47:19 No.7389395 Report

Quoted By: >>7389434 >>7389441

>>7386169
Western women’s wrestlers are wayyyyyyyyyyyyy better than all joshishitters. Anyone that disagrees with this is a shoot pedophile faggot. Kenny Omega is, so you’re essentially saying you are him. Japanese women’s wrestling doesn’t draw. I don’t see any promotion at the level that WWE is. None of them will ever be either.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 23:51:49 No.7389434 Report

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>>7389395
You are comparing WWE to promotions that only run women's wrestling. Compare Stardom to a women's only promotion in the US. People tune into WWE to watch Randy Orton not Natalya.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 23:52:07 No.7389436 Report

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>>7386980
Does. She. Talk. Like. This?

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 23:52:21 No.7389441 Report

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>>7389395
Someone forgot to take their brain medicine today it seems

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 23:53:58 No.7389461 Report

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>>7387015
Girl has zero athleticism and is 4'9. But IMAGINE.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Sep 2022 23:58:22 No.7389504 Report

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>>7386181
this nigga is always miserable and i love it that his projects always fail

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Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2022 00:10:59 No.7389719 Report

Quoted By: >>7391602

You'd see a 20% ratings bump if women were never featured on tv again and that's a shoot

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Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2022 00:17:55 No.7389853 Report

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>>7386181
>I've been fighting in Japan among the best team
Literally no-one but her believes TJPW is the best. Hell they're not even in the top 5.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2022 00:21:57 No.7389919 Report

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>>7386535
>Tony flies them in last minute so they might not even have time to work things out
Not a joshi but Ivelisse said in an interview that when she tried to discuss ideas with Rosa before their match "she didn't want to do any of them".

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Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2022 01:59:07 No.7391602 Report

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>>7389719
The only people interested in women's wrestling are neckbeard virgins who think it makes them an ally and will lead to them finally getting pussy. Women care about women's wrestling as much as they care about any other women's sport

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Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2022 04:20:02 No.7393244 Report

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>>7386268
No argument from me on this

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Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2022 04:20:31 No.7393249 Report

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>>7386169
the best joshi are in stardom

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Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2022 04:22:08 No.7393270 Report

Quoted By: >>7394772

>>7386169
FYI: No one on /pw/ watches western women's wrestling so there will be no replies worth reading.
When you start seeing generals for WSU/Shine/EVE etc then this discussion can be had.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2022 04:25:48 No.7393305 Report

Quoted By: >>7394727

kek what a raped gook
slit your wrists!
slit your wrists!

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Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2022 04:29:13 No.7393339 Report

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>>7386544
hope he sees this bro

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Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2022 08:17:09 No.7394633 Report

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>>7386169
There isn't. Cornette is right, Kenny is unironically an arrogant douche.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2022 08:26:57 No.7394671 Report

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Random indie kids with minimal experience should not be on TV

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Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2022 08:41:16 No.7394727 Report

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>>7393305
Damn that’s upsetting.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2022 08:50:30 No.7394755 Report

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>>7389367

Wrong as you can possibly be. Joshi have mastered all kinds of suplexes with bridges. Momo, Utami, Ami Sorei, Himeka all hit various drivers and powerbombs. Other joshi can be high flyers, while some focus on technical rollups like Saki Kashima/Mei Suruga. In short they have many styles and usuallt execute them well. Miyi Yamashita’s main strength is kicking the shit out of bitches but I feel when she comes to America she’s scared of injuring someone and holds back and it looks bad.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2022 08:54:30 No.7394768 Report

Quoted By: >>7394895 >>7394979

Joshi are way better than womeme, mostly because the average joshi will wrestle about 6 to 12 times a month and conditioning and in ring training where as Redneck Ronda will maybe have two matches a month with zero training and pounding white claws inbetween

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Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2022 08:55:11 No.7394772 Report

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>>7393270
None of it's worth watching.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2022 09:32:17 No.7394895 Report

Quoted By: >>7394902 >>7394989

>>7394768
so less experience is better for some reason.

Also joshi training is bad, because is done by other joshi with no experience.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2022 09:34:11 No.7394902 Report

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>>7394895
Kek you're a retard

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Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2022 09:52:01 No.7394939 Report

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>>7386169
No, Joshi are massively overrated and it's only weebs who think they are good

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Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2022 09:56:54 No.7394947 Report

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>>7386535
>weeks to work out a match
Jesus Christ what fucking shitters

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Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2022 10:03:13 No.7394966 Report

Quoted By: >>7394987

>>7386169
Put a japanese and american wrestler together and they're usually gonna have a shit match because of the language barrier. Unless they prepare beforehand or know each others style already, if they can't communicate during the match they will fuck up.
Regardless, western female wrestlers are generally worse than their Japanese counterparts because they've been exclusively hired for how good they look in skimpy attire until the last 6 or 7 years.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2022 10:03:35 No.7394969 Report

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>>7386169
Just watching this clip just makes me realize how right Corny is about the people in AEW they legit can't work worth a shit this shit to me isn't even watchable.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2022 10:05:14 No.7394979 Report

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>>7394768
You're showing how much of a retard you are, with WWE's house show circuit their women are wrestling 3-4 times a week often more, Joshi are by and large just shitters

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Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2022 10:07:40 No.7394987 Report

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>>7394966
Japanese call the moves in English though

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Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2022 10:08:13 No.7394989 Report

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>>7394895
>Also joshi training is bad, because is done by other joshi with no experience.
Stardom is the only place that has 3 or 4 year-experience wrestlers training other wrestlers. It's also coincidentally produced exactly two rookies in the last three years and both are completely incompetent
Most of the smaller joshi feds are run by an old experienced vet who also does the training. Sometimes it's even a man doing the training, or partially a man

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Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2022 11:36:47 No.7395374 Report

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>>7386190
I agree with you on this

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Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2022 12:02:10 No.7395517 Report

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I look forward to seeing the confidence inspiring games of Shino.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2022 13:18:00 No.7395924 Report

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>>7386169
>sandbags every week because she intimidates Tony

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Anonymous Tue 27 Sep 2022 14:30:51 No.7396414 Report

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>>7389367
actually a great point

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