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Vince McMahon was never a good promoter, he was simply the luckiest, and he spent most of his career on the decline from previous bouts of luck. He got lucky in the 80s with Andre, a star he inherited, and Hogan, a star he purchased ready-made from AWA, along with most of his roster. He was hugely successful for a few years, and then began a steady nonstop decline from that lucky peak well into the 90s, where he got lucky again with Steve Austin and The Rock - two performers he wanted to turn into "the ringmaster" or "chilly mcfreeze" and "the blue chipper" btw - and had some more enormous success, and has been steadily declining from that second lucky peak ever since, before gracelessly retiring. I can't think of a single star he really made, Hogan and Andre were bought, and Austin and Rock happened despite him, not because of him. The closest thing to a real Vince star is Cena, who largely killed the business and only seems like a star to people who are so zoomer they think the valley is the peak. Bischoff, Heyman, Cornette were all better than Vince, the only difference being that Vince was born a step away from the finish line thanks to his father owning the big money regional promotion, and a little bit of luck.
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>>7620097 We know all this, dummy.
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Vince was never good creatively though that’s the thing he was great at business and let’s face it Verne Gagne and other or whatever territories didn’t have good creative either so it was the advantage of having the New York territory along with ruthless aggression being bad in creative didn’t hurt him until wcw came along with the nwo
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>>7620097 Vince looks kinda jewy in that pic.
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The obese man continues to be angry at the billionaire chad, still traumatized by his awful life and Vince’s beautiful family and successful retirement. Vince has been a great booker at times and almost bankrupt himself putting on the first Mania. Only the delusional think it was all luck.
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>>7620097 >all this cope seek medication for your vince derangement syndrome
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When Vince feels secure, you get wrestling plumbers and red roosters. When Vince has no choice but to listen to others, wrestling is briefly good again.
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>>7620097 he was a great businessman. all that matters is money and miles and he has more than most.
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>>7620097 >I can't think of a single star he really made Roman Reigns
Record profits btw
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>>7620097 Vince is the GOAT wrestling promoter. Now if you want to criticize his booking skills, go right ahead.
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What about Vince Sr. what were his stats like compared to his son?
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>>7620097 Vince succeeded with a decent amount of luck yes but it was the truly incompetent naive grug brain retarded competition he faced that cemented his success
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>>7620356 Even as a businessman he was just lucky. He took the company from the heights of Hogan to not being able to afford the culligan water in the offices until luck struck twice and Austin and Rock took off. Ever since he's had someone to really run the business end of things, he has always been the content guy.
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>>7620403 Vince Sr. developed Andre and a few others, and built a regional promotion into such a success that it was a turnkey national phenomenon at the time of his death. Even before his son's national expansion, the WWWF was considered the place to go to make real money.
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>>7620403 >What about Vince Sr. what were his stats like compared to his son? He revived the lucrative northeast after Jack Pfeffer killed it for decades.
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>>7622990 Then his son came in and did the exact same thing Jack did
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>>7620375 Reigns was a flop until Vince gave up and let him do his own thing. Vince booked Reigns was so bad it even got The Rock booed.
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yeah, whatever
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>>7620426 You can spin this and say it about literally any successful person out there. The truth is you need luck to succeed in life, but you also need to be skilled and knowledgeable in the area you are in. Vince was very business savvy and correctly predicted that the territories would go extinct and did everything he could to go national before anyone else. Nobody else did this. He also beat WCW - a company with much better backing and security at the time. He survived the worst of times and you cannot say this about anybody else but him. Yes, people around him helped him to do it, but it is also a rare skill to know, hire and manage staff or talent. Love hm or hate him he is a machine and the envy of a lot of enterprenuers. Also for the underage b& here - you will never, ever make it on your own in this day and age. Understand this fast.
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>>7623914 Vince lost to WCW until WCW's parent company started looking to get rid of it
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>>7624072 Not being able to form an argument without resorting to meaningless redditor phrases is really pathetic
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>>7620329 >The obese man continues to be angry at the billionaire chad, still traumatized by his awful life and Vince’s beautiful family and successful retirement. >Vince has been a great booker at times and almost bankrupt himself putting on the first Mania. Only the delusional think it was all luck. Anonymous
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>>7620375 you do realize he's drinking sperm right?
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>>7620375 WWE is not making any profits its going bankrupt and its all due to his cancer faking faggot
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>>7623866 that cancer faking faggot still is a flop
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>>7620097 >Vince McMahon was never a good promoter, he was simply the luckiest thats ridiculous and you know. vince had a vision of what he wanted wrestling to look like. look at what wrestling looked like before he took control and then look at it in 1990. wrestling for 99.99% of us doesnt even exist before hogan won the title. even if we watch it now it looks fucking ancient
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vince is a colossal failure of a promoter for everything except wrestling kek and he was only successful at that because there is a niche of people who will watch wrestling no matter what and he bought out all the competition and was a monopoly for 30 years
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Rock n Wrestling changed the business forever and put wrestling well and truly in the mainstream. It might not have been Vince alone but he was a very important figure to the sport.
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Didn't read any of this headcanon and Tony Khan is still KWAB of the Year
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>>7624313 Weird way to spell Tony
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>>7624313 >still Vince Bros the zillionaire might be cancelled, he might have to live what little life he has left in his giant mansion surrounded by hookers and cocaine, oh no!!!!!!!!
yeah, its autistic tony
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>>7623914 tell me how it applies to Bill Gates
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>>7624091 samefagging is sad
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VKM stans successfully malded
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>>7620097 Sometimes it’s better to be lucky than good. Vince is a billionaire and will be remembered as The Godfather of professional wrestling
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>>7625546 >Vince is a billionair not anymore
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OOOH THE MISERY VDS AFFECTING THIS TRANNYYYY
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>>7626165 sounds like you're obsessed
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>>7624342 >it's autistic tony Bros the zillionaire is getting made fun of in 4chan, he might have to live what little life he has left in his giant mansion surrounded by hookers and cocaine, oh no!!!!!!!!
It's still Vince
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>>7624070 >if x didn't happen then y but it did and as a businessman he took advantage of it and ended up on top. so what's your argument?
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I'm glad WWE will forever be the flagbearer so we can just ignore you insane faggots
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>>7627010 He didn't take advantage of anything "as a businessman", it fell into his lap. If I form an LLC and win the powerball the next day, I'm not some genius businessman for my sudden $500m profit.
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>>7620097 OP is a top tier smark, he legit Likes joshis and HECKIN pops when he sees wheeler yuta
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>>7627075 I dont know what any of that jappo shit even is
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>>7620097 >Vince was the luckiest promotor ever. He was lucky to have the sense to sign the booming star Hogan and put him at the centre of his company. His plan and execution for US expansion beyond the territories was simply all luck. He was insanely luck, possibly more lucky than any human to ever live, to see the Rock and Austin having something that is catching on and changing his booking to accommodate their rise. The true talent is with Bischoff, Heyman and Cornette (all of whom make Vince even more lucky as he has employed all of them at some point) Anonymous
>>7627143 I don't think "sign booming star" and "highlight star that is starting to boom despite my best efforts to turn them into shit" takes a lot of business genius.
Someone like Heyman has a history of making shitters look better than they are. Someone like McMahon has a history of taking Steve Austin and trying to turn him into Chilly McFreeze.
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>>7627366 Someone like Vince has a history of becoming a billionaire with the biggest wrestling promotion of all time, where Paul Heyman has a history of his company going out of business and getting hired by the successful billionaire
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>>7627450 Vince started on the finish line, succeeded in spite of himself, and still had a period of time after being handed wild success where he couldn't afford water coolers in the office. "The problem with success is it tricks you into thinking you're doing something right."
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>>7620097 JD from Scrubs looking ass bitch
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>>7627366 Roman Reigns is a bigger star than any shitter who ever stepped foot in ECW and he's 100% Vince's creation.
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>>7627492 Roman Reigns represents a long Vince tradition of brief periods of lucky success, followed by long periods of constant decline in viewership and cultural relevance because Vince is not a very good promoter. From the peaks of Austin and Rock falling into his lap at the same time, it has been a constant nonstop decline, with shitters like Reigns being forced down the throats of booing fans for YEARS as the primary cause. He started off with more money than his peers, he bought success, he couldn't make that last but a few years, then came constant decline, then came another lucky break at a time where he was nearly out of business, and then came twenty years of decline. Not exactly a great success story.
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>>7620097 You're leaving out how Vince is able to outlast other people who are more talented than him by "eating a shit sandwich every day and learning to like the taste of it".
Vince is the King of the Carnies. Not because of his booking talent, but because of his ability to do a job no one else wanted to do on the long term. Every person you listed as being better than him got bored with the position eventually and their company started to go downhill.
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>>7620097 KWAB of the year