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CyberFight announced a net loss of 682 million yen for the fiscal year 2022 (ending September)

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 12:01:54 No.8226308 View View Reply Original Report

>Financial results for previous years:
>2021: -284 million yen
>2020: -100 million yen
>2019: -85 million yen
>2018: -40 million yen
Will they drop wrestling

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 12:02:57 No.8226311 Report

Quoted By: >>8226417

>>8226308
so this is what, 32 dollars?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 12:03:09 No.8226313 Report

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>>8226308
>CyberFight
Who?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 12:03:32 No.8226314 Report

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>>8226308
ITS OVER

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 12:04:05 No.8226316 Report

Quoted By:

>>8226308
KWAB

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 12:10:37 No.8226332 Report

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>>8226308
AEW partnership working out great

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 12:12:18 No.8226343 Report

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>>8226308
KWAB and this isn't even factoring in the amount they paid for WC

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 12:12:19 No.8226345 Report

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>>8226308
BTW 2018 and 2019 is the DDT group (DDT, TJPW, Ganbare, formerly BASARA) on its own. Taking on NOAH as well as obviously dented them extra

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 12:15:12 No.8226356 Report

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>>8226308
The Tony Khan effect

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 12:15:18 No.8226357 Report

Quoted By:

>>8226308
Damn, Jamal have infected DDT and NOAH with its ice cold virus.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 12:16:44 No.8226367 Report

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>>8226308
japanese wrestling isnt a draw anymore
theyre boxing marks now

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 12:18:28 No.8226375 Report

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*walks into NOAH*
*causes a historically unprecedented financial collapse*
*its parent company begins bleeding dimes irretrievably*

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 12:19:44 No.8226379 Report

Quoted By: >>8227733

I wonder if they expected a big loss this year, as I notice they are doing things to try to increase their popularity that are not good for short-term revenue. Things like free Wrestle Universe trials, DDT shows where attendance is free, etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 12:20:10 No.8226381 Report

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it's unironically all the covid shit biting them in the ass

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 12:23:14 No.8226395 Report

Quoted By:

>>8226308
Gotta spend money to make money in the long run.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 12:24:09 No.8226402 Report

Quoted By:

>>8226308
After Muto's retirement Abema is gonna drop anti dimes NOAH so hard

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 12:24:42 No.8226405 Report

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$4.983 million USD btw

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 12:27:12 No.8226417 Report

Quoted By:

>>8226311
5 million

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 12:27:34 No.8226419 Report

Quoted By: >>8226422 >>8226495

>>8226308
Completely unironically, what the FUCK is Cyber Fight?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 12:28:12 No.8226421 Report

Quoted By: >>8226514

This is how NXT Japan begins

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 12:28:27 No.8226422 Report

Quoted By: >>8226508

>>8226419
parent company of DDT, NOAH, TJPW, and Ganbare Pro

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 12:28:32 No.8226423 Report

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>>8226308
expected for a new company like CyberFight. CyberAgent is larger than Bushiroad and they aren't concerned that much about wrestling

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 12:45:01 No.8226495 Report

Quoted By: >>8226508

>>8226419
NOAH/DDT's version of Bushiroad

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 12:47:32 No.8226506 Report

Quoted By: >>8228515

its almost as if theres a global recession

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 12:48:18 No.8226508 Report

Quoted By:

>>8226422
>>8226495
Okay so it's a bunch of yenless shitters no one cares about, got it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 12:49:20 No.8226514 Report

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>>8226421
And soon be infected with ice cold virus like other jap promotions

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 13:15:20 No.8226593 Report

Quoted By: >>8226640

KNEEL

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 13:16:49 No.8226601 Report

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Is their streaming service losing money? I cant imagine it gets many subscribers

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 13:23:54 No.8226640 Report

Quoted By: >>8226663

>>8226593
They also operate at a loss.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 13:30:16 No.8226663 Report

Quoted By: >>8226678 >>8229757

>>8226640
Bushiroad finished the 2022 fiscal year with a profit of ¥2,200M after a projected profit of only ¥700M

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 13:33:21 No.8226678 Report

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>>8226663
Nah you are

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 13:41:51 No.8226713 Report

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>Company loses money during a horrible pandemic

Not shocking

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 13:46:22 No.8226729 Report

Quoted By: >>8234861

the fiscal summer of 1992

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 13:55:46 No.8226758 Report

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NOAH hasn't drawn a dime for years and DDT has never drawn a dime. This isn't a surprise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 13:58:53 No.8226779 Report

Quoted By: >>8226805 >>8232679

CyberFight is owned by CyberAgent who also owns Cygames. Cygames makes an absurd amount of money off anime-themed mobile games. Several of these bring in 1 billion yen a month, and the most popular and newest of which generates the equivalent of 1 Billion USD a year. This is all on top of CyberAgent's massive traditional advertising business and other subsidiaries.

They can lose a lot of money and it doesn't mean much. Just don't piss off the wrong exec at the parent company.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CyberAgent

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 14:05:35 No.8226805 Report

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>>8226779
Basically this. WCW was hemorrhaging loads of money, but it would've survived for longer if Ted Turner still had his say.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 16:33:36 No.8227733 Report

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>>8226379
They've stopped doing the 2-week free trials and I imagine the DDT Free shows will go away next year. That said, CyberFight has been gaining more eyes on the product since September.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 16:36:08 No.8227752 Report

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>>8226308
So whats the reason? Is it because theyre booking big ass venues that they cant even fill 1/3rd of?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 16:36:33 No.8227755 Report

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I'm telling you, Bushiroad is gonna end up owning both NOAH and AJPW at some point this decade. Japanese wrestling is going to all consolidate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 16:44:18 No.8227802 Report

Quoted By: >>8227812

Dystopian covid restrictions are killing the industry.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 16:45:02 No.8227810 Report

Quoted By: >>8228833

Cyberfight?
Kek
More like Cybershite

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 16:45:37 No.8227812 Report

Quoted By: >>8227830 >>8228068 >>8228315 >>8232887

>>8227802
>You can't cheer at all shows
>THIS IS DISTOPIA!!!!! HELL ON EARTH!!!! PRISON PLANET!!!!
k

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 16:46:02 No.8227821 Report

Quoted By: >>8228347

>>8226308
It's crazy to think that we're likely living through the final era of Japanese pro wrestling as we once knew it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 16:47:13 No.8227830 Report

Quoted By: >>8227850

>>8227812
Go watch another heatless match and clap like a seal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 16:49:53 No.8227850 Report

Quoted By: >>8228068

>>8227830
>The act of clapping itself is bad
k

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 17:16:14 No.8228068 Report

Quoted By: >>8228157

>>8227812
>>8227850
>t.jabbed 4 times with the science juice and looking forward to his 5th

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 17:24:56 No.8228157 Report

Quoted By: >>8228315

>>8228068
>Resorts to epic 4chan memespeak when his reasoning is destroyed
k

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 17:40:52 No.8228315 Report

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>>8228157
you did that first here brah >>8227812 you got no grounds to call him on it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 17:44:08 No.8228347 Report

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>>8227821
It will still be around, but Bushiroad is going to be the only major show around with everyone else being indies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 17:58:53 No.8228515 Report

Quoted By: >>8228855

>>8226506
Recessions separate the wheat from the chaffe.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 18:26:54 No.8228833 Report

Quoted By:

>>8227810
OH NO NO NO

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 18:29:01 No.8228855 Report

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>>8228515
>the chaffe
what's that?

ProWresBlog !1JPtDnh8WA

ProWresBlog !1JPtDnh8WA Mon 12 Dec 2022 18:34:08 No.8228905 Report

Quoted By: >>8228919 >>8229014 >>8229463

This has been one of my concerns about a single company owning multiple promotions - if that company loses too much money or wants out of wrestling, the promotions will likely go out of business.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 18:36:08 No.8228919 Report

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>>8228905
>the promotions will likely go out of business.
i mean there are smaller promotions that are still alive in japan. they will lose wrestlers and have to do smaller shows but they wont die off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 18:46:52 No.8229014 Report

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>>8228905
Every post you make is shit it's impressive

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 19:41:26 No.8229463 Report

Quoted By: >>8229482

>>8228905
The only promotion CyberAgent has much interest in is NOAH since they hope NOAH can become competitive to NJPW someday. They let Takagi do whatever with DDT and TJPW. If Takagi ever starts that more serious joshi promotion to be NOAH's counterpart like TJPW is to DDT CyberAgent might like that too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 19:44:21 No.8229482 Report

Quoted By: >>8229674

>>8229463
>If Takagi ever starts that more serious joshi promotion
you shouldn't take anything he says seriously, he's always throwing out ideas that never get mentioned again

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 20:04:28 No.8229674 Report

Quoted By: >>8232944 >>8233030

>>8229482
In terms of stuff Takagi says it's one of his better ideas though I have no idea if he'll ever actually capitalize on it. TJPW is a little too silly for my taste usually.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 20:12:49 No.8229743 Report

Quoted By: >>8229751 >>8229769

>>8226308
maybe just maybe they should stop spending so much money on production and guys like Mutoh?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 20:13:34 No.8229751 Report

Quoted By: >>8229784

>>8229743
and how would they draw exactly ?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 20:14:26 No.8229757 Report

Quoted By: >>8229863

>>8226663
Based, I feel bad for Noah though they desperately want to catch up but are constantly bleeding money

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 20:15:59 No.8229769 Report

Quoted By: >>8229810

>>8229743
Mutoh is their only draw though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 20:17:39 No.8229784 Report

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>>8229751
You don't need huge production values to draw, New Japan didn't they just focused on building stars instead and got a resurgence with booking the right talent long term.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 20:20:05 No.8229810 Report

Quoted By: >>8229868 >>8230770

>>8229769
He's also retiring and hasn't turned anyone into a star, what's the point in spending millions on him when you're still in the red regardless?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 20:24:29 No.8229863 Report

Quoted By: >>8230532

>>8229757
I think CyberAgent are fine with NOAH losing some money
>Their (CyberAgent) internet advertising business saw 17.3% growth from 321.3 billion yen to 376.8 billion yen. Which has likely gone some way to mitigating the increase of costs.
>SG&A (Sales, General & Administrative expenses) were up from 127.6 billion yen to 150.0 billion yen.
376 - 150 = 226 billion yen profit

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 20:24:51 No.8229868 Report

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>>8229810
I know. No one said NOAH is well booked

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 21:04:39 No.8230209 Report

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LETS GO NXT JAPANBROS

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Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 21:38:38 No.8230532 Report

Quoted By: >>8230628

>>8229863
They made a 24 billion yen profit this year, not 226 billion. It's down from last year but 2021 was an exceptional year for them due to that horse girl game being massively successful

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 21:49:25 No.8230628 Report

Quoted By: >>8230660

>>8230532
Now imagine if the other companies that CA has stakes in would factor in this... CyberFight being in the red is useless in the grand picture.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 21:51:11 No.8230646 Report

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>>8226308
I thought this was that thing where retards made vtuber CAWs and booked an e-fed around it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 21:52:48 No.8230660 Report

Quoted By: >>8230757

>>8230628
That and it could be across the board. What about their other holdings?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 22:04:24 No.8230757 Report

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>>8230660
https://catr.jp/companies/d5da2/48165

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 22:05:45 No.8230770 Report

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>>8229810
Kaito's gimmick change due to Mutoh might pay off but he still has kinks to iron out. Kongo is also a popular faction.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 22:07:31 No.8230787 Report

Quoted By: >>8230832

>>8226308
According to VOW they might be getting Ibushi if they can keep him from self destructing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 22:12:16 No.8230832 Report

Quoted By: >>8230854

>>8230787
Ibushi's talented and he's probably realized he can sign a joint AEW/CyberFight deal for more than what he gets from NJPW. Takagi might also be able to keep Ibushi from blowing up again but I won't hold my breath.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 22:14:54 No.8230854 Report

Quoted By: >>8231636

>>8230832
All he's gotta do to make some absurd money is keep his fucking trap shut. He'd be a fucking fool not to take that deal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 23:32:17 No.8231636 Report

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>>8230854
Ibushi isn't the most stable person and if his mother is a bit wacky too I'm sure that's not helping. Maybe if Takagi and Kenny are holding his hand a bit he'll do better than he did in NJPW.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Dec 2022 00:02:10 No.8231938 Report

Quoted By: >>8232608

People acting like Bushiroad and Cyberfight's financials equate in the slightest are seriously oversimplifying this
>Bushiroad's financials include everything, idols, Vanguard card game, wrestling, other investments
>Cyberfight is specifically the arm of Cyberagent that deals in wrestling
NJPW and Stardom could be bleeding money in all actuality but it's obscured in two separate shell companies at the bottom of the chain that aren't legally obligated to report earnings.

Spotify is the biggest music platform in the world and it's still making a loss. Having debt is fine as long as investors are secured and that the investors believe that one day the businesses they invest in will eventually return a profit. As long as CyberAgent continues to believe in a success in the distant future, they may be fine with absorbing the loss.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Dec 2022 00:13:28 No.8232041 Report

Quoted By: >>8232608

>>8226308
Looks like Bushiroad will be the one to purchase All Japan

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Dec 2022 01:10:47 No.8232608 Report

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>>8231938
CyberAgent is far wealthier than Bushiroad and CyberAgent went into it knowing they'd have to put a lot of money into NOAH to potentially make it a viable company. I don't see them giving up on the project anytime soon.

>>8232041
I don't see Bushiroad being that interested in AJPW since it doesn't even have the classic footage and the only wrestler they'd probably land is Kento. CyberFight would possibly bite if the price was right just because it'd fit Takagi's idea of Wrestle Universe offering tons of promotions to watch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Dec 2022 01:15:56 No.8232679 Report

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>>8226779
The problem is that CyberAgent is so big that they're a dispassionate owner. Bushiroad is huge as well but the guy running the company is obsessed with making his promotions the top ones in Japan. For CyberAgent, havin wrestling companies is just another thing in their checkbook and something they can put on Abema once in a while.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Dec 2022 01:25:19 No.8232887 Report

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>>8227812
You can cheer at shows but only if you run the venue at half-capacity and even then not all venues are allowing companies to run at full capacity even if they're clap crowds. Japan is still stuck in Summer 2020 mode with regards to this shit while most of the world has moved on. Takagi talked about being at AEW and being surprised about how they don't have the same restrictions in place, nobody wears masks, there's cheering, etc. and it kind of made him embarassed to still be wearing a mask. Most of the live entertainment industry in Japan, not just wrestling, has been gutted over the last few years with a bunch of well known music venues like Studio Coast and Akasaka Blitz closing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Dec 2022 01:28:25 No.8232944 Report

Quoted By: >>8236010

>>8229674
The problem is there's nobody there to make a second "serious" promotion. Freelancers are going to keep freelancing and there's not enough influx of new talent. His better bet would be to just start hiring away wrestlers from other promotions, trying to absorb Ice Ribbon, and just continue building up TJPW as an alternative to Stardom.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Dec 2022 01:33:01 No.8233030 Report

Quoted By: >>8236343

>>8229674
Building a 2nd joshi promotion might help, but it could also have a side effect of trying to compete against yourself while trying to make TJPW a serious fixture in the market. I would rather them try broaden TJPW's scope than try make two separate promotions trying to capture different styles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Dec 2022 03:17:39 No.8234861 Report

Quoted By:

>>8226729
heh

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Dec 2022 04:36:44 No.8236010 Report

Quoted By:

>>8232944
I don't mind the idea of Takagi buying a joshi promotion for it. I can't imagine it'd be hard to buy Ice Ribbon or Oz or something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Dec 2022 05:26:49 No.8236343 Report

Quoted By: >>8236791

>>8233030
I think purchasing a second Joshi promotion would be smarter than making a new one. Ice ribbon for example. Still, I think it’s a bad idea when you already have 4 promotions which all need a bit of attention. Noah’s gone backwards this year and I think DDT and TJPW have not really taken advantages of the opportunities thrown their way.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 13 Dec 2022 06:22:27 No.8236641 Report

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I can't wait until we acquire her for Stardom.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Dec 2022 06:31:57 No.8236678 Report

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>red = bad
please learn about how companies work i beg you
even the biggest of companies work off debt

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Dec 2022 06:57:25 No.8236791 Report

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>>8236343
TJPW is the only promotion out of it, DDT and NOAH that's grown its attendance although that's in part due to running more bigger shows in bigger venues. It"s still overall third but trending upwards. A "traditional" promotion would just take away from TJPW, plus now attention and resources have to be devoted to building it and building it will also take years. Just focus in growing TJPW and bolstering its roster and kicking Koda in the ass regarding his booking.

If he wants a traditional promotion, then just keep doing the GanJo thing and work towards solidifying it until it can be spun off from GanPro.

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