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>>9100512
The problem original started with Undertaker/Kane at WM14 (took 3 tombstones to pin Kane) and kept growing with the series of Austin/Rock matches. You had to keep everyone "strong" so protected finishers became less and less. Weirdly the One-Winged Angel might be the most protected going.

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Anonymous Sat 25 Feb 2023 02:31:49 No.9100879 Report

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>>9100832
I feel like it definitely jumped 1000 levels after Taker/HBK because then all of Takers mania matches did that, and then eventually most main events had to do it.

Also the thing I was referring to was the "EPIC SHOCKED FACE" reaction. Everyone started doing their own versions of the Taker shocked reaction afterwards

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Anonymous Sat 25 Feb 2023 02:32:38 No.9100896 Report

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>>9099736
>>9100832
The key is that you have a finished that can actually KO someone, like a tombstone/piledriver.
Then if you really want to protect it and someone isnt going to lay down for you, you bust out a shoot piledriver and HEEM em right in the ring.
>Oops it was an accident
but then the next guy wont dare try to kick out and fuck on you

Basically this:
https://youtu.be/KU8KDhMmuVU?t=161
if he shoot choke slammed him it would have been fine

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Anonymous Sat 25 Feb 2023 02:41:13 No.9101072 Report

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>>9100879
There's only like, one genuinely great WWE match a decade and then they spend the next decade getting everything wrong about why it worked.

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Anonymous Sat 25 Feb 2023 02:45:31 No.9101155 Report

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>>9099757
Mfw my neo vagina prolapses

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Anonymous Sat 25 Feb 2023 02:48:34 No.9101222 Report

Quoted By: >>9101531 >>9101591

>>9100512
>>9100832
>retards here think movez were protected until muh taker
>in reality you had harley race squash matches where the jobber kicked out of a ton of moves, because race's gimmick was he knew all the big moves of the time. the jobber had to survive all of it so race could get all his shit in
>eventually he'd win with a suplex after several other suplexes, leg drops, piledrivers etc had already been hit on the jobber

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Anonymous Sat 25 Feb 2023 03:04:31 No.9101531 Report

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>>9101222
Did every other wrestler follow suit after Harley? No.

You can pick out matches from over the years, like Savage/Warrior at WM where Warrior kicked out of like 5 elbow drops, but the finisher-fests started during the Attitude Era and has grown since.

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Anonymous Sat 25 Feb 2023 03:08:24 No.9101591 Report

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>>9101222
>>9101531
>>9101531
They toned down a bit during the RA though, mainly because Cena and Batista had protected finishes. .Cena and HBKs hour long RAW match had one actual kickout

It was 100% the hype of HBK/Taker that started it back up again. Because then the rematch you can't have HBK lose to less finishers, and then you can't have HHH/Taker need less. Eventually that sorta thing spread to everyone and Cenas AA stopped being as strong because he was having all the main events and they had to be epic.

not to mention every other promotion was full of HBK fanboys who had to mimic that.

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Anonymous Sat 25 Feb 2023 03:08:37 No.9101595 Report

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>>9099736
welcome to New Japan

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Anonymous Sat 25 Feb 2023 03:09:06 No.9101605 Report

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>>9101531
I'd argue the biggest culprit for starting the trend was The Rock due to the lengths they went to protect him.

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Anonymous Sat 25 Feb 2023 03:17:44 No.9101756 Report

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>>9101591
I'm just going off of memory. Like people shit on Austin's heel turn at WM17 and rightfully so, but it was such a overbooked mess. Rock kicked out of a Rock Bottom, Stunner, Chairshot and it took like 17 to keep him down. WM 19 with Austin, he kicked out of a Stunner, People's Elbow, and 2 Rock Bottoms before a third kept him down. I believe Angle was the first person to kick out of a F-5 on that same card.

My point is/was, that it's not a new problem but it's down far too frequently today.

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Anonymous Sat 25 Feb 2023 03:19:18 No.9101786 Report

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>>9101756
*Concerning WM17 that was all post-Vince getting involved.

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Anonymous Sat 25 Feb 2023 03:23:48 No.9101854 Report

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>>9101756
The never-ending Triple H-Shawn Michaels feud is another one you can add to the list.

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Anonymous Sat 25 Feb 2023 03:24:26 No.9101869 Report

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>>9099757
that's what i did the first time i saw a stink bug fly

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